評価の高い 200 コメント全て表示する 431

[–]aristander 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (8子コメント)

We've all got to die, but we don't all get to do it in Hawaii.

[–]Anti-Theistsean7755 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I was thinking the same exact thing. Christians can go to heaven if they want, but I'd rather go to Hawaii.

[–]Secular HumanistMerari01 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Me too. They can have their celestial North Korea.

[–]earthbox 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't forget your Mahalo Rewards Card. Only for natives.

[–]Anti-Theistsean7755 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like this Haole isn't getting one, then.

[–]xsquivelx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

On a Oahu right now. Dying here is my nightmare.

[–]aristander 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really, why is that?

[–]thelastnewredditor 289 ポイント290 ポイント  (142子コメント)

"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."

i guess he was a pioneer in rustling jimmies too. godspeed, you master troll!

[–]AtheistIncruentus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you know what trolling is?

[–]thelastnewredditor 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

i know it's a art

[–]cyclopath 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Goosebumps: I have them.

[–]KennyDiggins -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

God damn you sir, God damn you. Have an upvote!

[–][削除されました]  (24子コメント)

[deleted]

    [–][削除されました]  (8子コメント)

    [deleted]

      [–][削除されました]  (12子コメント)

      [deleted]

        [–][削除されました]  (6子コメント)

        [deleted]

          [–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

          [deleted]

            [–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

            [deleted]

              [–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

              [deleted]

                [–]sum_n00b 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I'm not an atheist and I approve his message. Keep all religions, mine included, out of all public entities. Schools, government, etc. Religion is a private system and should stay that way. Always.

                [–]eckenrok 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Thank you for seeing the basic idea of a free society in regards to religion. Freedom of religion is a personal right, not a public one. I wish everyone could understand this!

                [–]theStingraY 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (33子コメント)

                He'll be in my prayers.

                [–]Anti-TheistLarcala 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                I'm praying that someone gives you gold for this post.

                [–]Anti-TheistR4nd0mUs3r80 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                Why not you?

                [–]GalakFyarr 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Because prayer doesn't do shit so he made everyone save money.

                [–]MasterMahan 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Praying for something is easier than actually doing something. Sure, it doesn't do anything - but it is easier.

                [–]thirdlegsblind 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I'm convinced that Facebook " prayers" are extremely effective.

                [–]Anti-Theistdrsteelhammer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Well I prayed that they aren't so I got bad news for ya.

                [–]thirdlegsblind 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                oh shit, here I thought I was blessin all my friends by typing " prayers" under one of their attention seeking posts, and you go and trump me? You're some kinda devil.

                [–]Aldighieri [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                Just need to pray times infinity! (And hope he doesn't use infinity x2)

                [–]scarfdontstrangleme 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                He still hasn't got gold... God works in mysterious ways, my children! ("Hallelujah!")

                [–]Hooplazoo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                It's all part of his plan, you just have to have faith

                [–]paradigm86 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Just believe.

                [–]ThereMightBeDinos 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Baltimore?

                [–]jutct 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Why? He's already dead.

                [–]SecularVirginian -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                I don't mean to offend, I'm just curious. What does praying for a dead atheist do? Shouldn't he be in eternal agony in hell, regardless?

                [–]Secular HumanistDaystarEld 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                I think /u/theStingraY was being sarcastic.

                But for those who actually say things like "I'll pray for [X Atheist]," they usually mean something like "I'll pray that God shows you the path" or if they're dead, "I'll pray that God shows you mercy."

                [–]Anti-TheistR4nd0mUs3r80 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                In my religious upbringing, people prayed god would bless anyone who disagreed with them with things like murder, suicide, financial ruin, horrible diseases. You know, so the person would see how loving and good god is.

                [–]Agnostic AtheistreflectiveSingleton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                In that context it is meant to be condescending...it's like saying 'you are a dumbass so i hope you learn some day'

                In other contexts, like a loved one recently dying, it is a more forgiveable/understandable statement IMO (however it still depends on how they say it about your loved one)...but taken out of an argument? Condescending presumption.

                [–]Anti-TheistR4nd0mUs3r80 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                There is zero context that makes that okay, understandable, or forgivable.

                [–]uncleoce -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                SURRRREEE they did.

                [–]SecularVirginian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Ah. I wasn't sure if he really meant he was going to pray for him or trying to make a snide remark against him--knowing that would not have been in his wishes.

                [–]Murgie 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                or trying to make a snide remark against him--knowing that would not have been in his wishes.

                I'm not even entirely convinced it was that. I think he was just trying to use a stock response to an individuals death, but in a context in which it does not fit in order to elicit a humorous response.

                [–]theStingraY 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                Probably nothing and probably not.

                [–]SecularVirginian -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                I don't understand, can you explain?

                [–]theStingraY 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                What does praying for a dead atheist do?

                Probably nothing.

                Shouldn't he be in eternal agony in hell, regardless?

                Probably not.

                [–]moonflower 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Not all theists believe in hell

                [–]DigitalAssassin [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                He's in a better place now.

                [–]darkon 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                About fifteen or twenty years ago I was on an email discussion list for which Vic Stenger was a contributor. In one thread the discussion turned to the existence of a god or gods, and someone said that they had never seen Vic's penis but still knew it existed. This caused some amusement, and discussion of the existence of Vic's penis, until finally he posted a one-line response: "Would everyone please get off my penis." (Quoted from memory, may not be 100% accurate -- but it's close.)

                [–]Paratoxical 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                A great mind has been lost, but his contributions to physics, philosophy and skepiticism will be remembered.

                Thank you Victor

                [–]vibrunazo 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Immortality achieved. Number of gods needed: zero.

                [–]OtherTehsyr 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Now if we can only achieve immortality AND keep the person alive...

                [–]NihilistI_W_M_Y [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                We are working on that, you know with science!

                [–]testreker [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                Immortality cant be claimed after a week

                [–]hi_i_am_good_person 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                In the hopes of both respecting the man and showing that, though I am religious, I do not fly into buildings, I hope his friends and family find peace in this difficult time. May his thoughts continue to impact and stimulate the thoughts of those who are exposed to his work.

                [–]ApatheistOngbun001 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Victor Stenger was an esteemed Fellow of the Secular Global Institute . . We mourn his passing : http://secularglobalinstitute.org/sgi-blog/

                [–]djsmps 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (42子コメント)

                I'm an atheist. I didn't know there was an atheist community.

                [–]TheCollective01 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                You're posting in one.

                [–]HairyScotsman 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                However the article doesn't state a particular community and as such at least for me, makes it sounds like anyone who is an atheist is part of that community. I only saw this from /r/all and as an atheist, I don't associate with any group of atheists. It's just a belief, or rather non belief.

                It would be better to remove community and just state that some atheists are mourning the man, or better yet remove the fact that atheists are mourning him at all, there is no need to be identified like that.

                [–]DRKRpr 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Well, I guess it's kind of nice to say it as if we are coming together as a collective, thru the Internet, to conduct this common activity.

                [–]nova2011 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Why is it inherently bad that there's a community for a position on a pretty hot topic?

                [–][削除されました]  (33子コメント)

                [deleted]

                  [–]SecularVirginian 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  There is one for people who don't fly into buildings too, /r/atheism =P

                  [–]Atheistrunetrantor 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Superman feels so excluded...

                  [–]ferlessleedr 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  We try our damnedest over at /r/flying!

                  [–]PaulNewhouse -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  Don't forget /r/Christianity.

                  [–]DaveSW777 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  they just blow them up. Timothy McVeigh and the IRA are recent examples.

                  [–]PaulNewhouse 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Good point. McVeigh was a very good Christian. Doing the Lord's work!

                  [–]SecularVirginian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I was joking. /r/NotRadical would be a better subreddit for that.

                  [–]kyrsjo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  That subred doesn't exist.

                  [–]Atheistnxtm4n 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yet.

                  [–]Irreligiousdumnezero 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I'd like to say "for people who don't have atheism", but I think about 1/3 of the users there are atheists

                  [–]Anti-TheistLarcala -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  To be fair, most people who are alive are also in said 'community.'

                  [–]PizzaPartify 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                  wow I did not know about /r/nongolfers. It's pretty hilarious.

                  [–]geekyamazon 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                  but a terrible analogy. If you had to be a golfer to get into public office, if parents taught their kids golf since birth and became furious if they stopped golfing, if golf influenced almost all politics including abortion, gay marriage, birth control, sex toy bans, alcohol sells and almost every other discussion in politics, and if golf societies picketed planned parenhood then would it be a valid comparison. To act as if non-Christians are not influenced by Christianity is a downright lie.

                  [–]Atheistlovellama 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                  It was a probably-off-the-cuff comment by Degrasse Tyson. I don't think he put too much thought into it.

                  [–]geekyamazon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                  well the people of that sub seem to think it is genius, but it is not. Neil seems to be terrified of someone labeling him as an atheist. I'm not sure why. Maybe because of religious roots, or his fear of the word, or his rightly so thinking that it would cause him to be taken less seriously by mainstream people. Maybe he just doesn't understand the definition of the word or never put any thought into it I don't know.

                  [–]ParanthropusBoisei 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Here he puts some more thought into it:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBWU3Qzrefk&t=2m38s

                  [–]Schnectadyslim 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  As a golf professional I find that subreddit completely and utterly offffffff the wall hilarious. Thanks for introducing us!

                  [–]Crabs4Sale 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Ye best start believin' in atheist communities, Ms. Djsmps. YER IN ONE.

                  [–]Ryanami 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You must be new around here...

                  [–]malmac 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Don't feel bad, I didn't get the memo either.

                  [–]madhi19 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  There a subreddit so that a community...

                  [–]smchemique 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                  [–]Anti-TheistSenselessNoise 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (33子コメント)

                  I want to get behind this guy, but as a scientist it's hard. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence only when you know you should be able to observe the phenomenon, but don't.

                  For instance, there's no evidence of string theory. It's attractive because it bridges two worlds (general relativity with quantum mechanics), but it's impossible with our present day technology to see said strings. Can we say, since there's no evidence, they don't exist, despite lacking the instruments to detect them?

                  This isn't a really attractive argument. Why not just point out the glaring discrepancies in the Abrahamic faiths and call it a day?

                  [–]_Z_E_R_O 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  The difference is that no one will claim string theory as an absolute unchangeable truth. The scientific community is well aware that it is an unproven hypothesis and refers to it accordingly.

                  Now try telling a Baptist that God didn't literally pull a woman from a man's rib to give her sinful fruit from a talking snake, and they treat you like you're taking crazy pills.

                  [–]Anti-TheistSenselessNoise 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Now try telling a Baptist that God didn't literally pull a woman from a man's rib to give her sinful fruit from a talking snake, and they treat you like you're taking crazy pills.

                  Is that before or after they declare you're going to hell and almost assault you? I spent a lot of time around Baptists, so I know exactly what you mean. But I find the argument, that you can safely say no god exists because of these 4 reasons, is dishonest. I'll pick apart the article now.

                  But the tiny amount of information contained in the very early universe was not enough to include any plans of some creator at that time. This allows for the possibility of a deist god who set things up, started things going randomly, and then left. It does not allow for some specific plan of creation to be embodied in the universe from the beginning. A God with such a plan can be ruled out beyond a reasonable doubt.

                  Pretty much all Christians believe God exists in some quasi-physical state, as evidenced in the idea of omnipresence. Suggesting we should be able to observe this state is ridiculous. I mean, it's pretty obvious this guy never read anything about religion. You can throw his first argument right out the window.

                  Intelligent design in biology has been thoroughly refuted in recent years, so I need not say much. Everywhere biologists look they find evidence of randomness and haphazard arrangements that would be called incompetent if they were designed. No matter where scientists cast their eyes, the universe they see looks just like it should look if there was no divine design.

                  This I agree with. I've been urging my religious friends from when I was at a Baptist PCS to abandon Creationism. Of course, his argument doesn't address the idea of theistic evolution, which you could weasel into the argument via 2 Peter 3:8. Pretty much the only people that will lose at the evolutionary argument are the YECs. His second argument has merit, but is easily neutralized.

                  Third, consider the supposed power of intercessory prayer. Well-executed experiments by reputable institutions such as Harvard, Duke, and the Mayo Clinic have failed to find that prayer improves the recovery of hospital patients. Apologists simply say God did not choose to respond to this test. But you can bet they would have changed their tune if the results had been positive. Trillions of prayers have been tendered over millennia. Of course, most sick people get better anyway, except once. If the God most people worship and pray to does exist, intercessory prayer would have a better batting average than what you would get from the normal operation of the natural world, including luck. It doesn't.

                  When prayer appears to work, it's called "a miracle" and touted as the existence of God. When it doesn't, it's "God's will," and how could one ever know the will of this ultra-powerful quasi-physical being? But then again, prayer could work via the placebo effect. There's studies like this one which show that, even if someone knows they're taking a placebo, it's possible to generate a positive response. While there's no specific evidence of prayer being effective in the "miracle" sense, you cannot completely discredit it's possible placebo effect.

                  As the final example, the Abrahamic God is believed by his worshipers to talk to people and provide information they otherwise did not know. Nothing could be easier to test scientifically. All you have to do is find a few examples where a truth has been revealed that later was confirmed. This could be something simple, such as a prediction of some future event that turned out to be confirmed. This has never happened.

                  So weak. This is such a weak argument it's not even worth discussing. No Abrahamic religion claims modern-day divine inspiration or revelation (except Mormons), and to tout this as evidence against the divine revelation of Biblical characters (who were special and existed before Jesus) is the worst argument ever.

                  [–]_Z_E_R_O 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Going back to the scientific argument, I'm pretty sure that if scientists predicted an environmental cataclysm multiple times with absolute certainty and were wrong repeatedly, everyone would get tired of them really fast.

                  Why does religion get a free pass?

                  My issue (and most of /r/atheism's) isn't that they hold these beliefs, but keep spouting them as an absolute truth that everyone has to believe or face eternity in hell, or jihad or whatever their cup of toxic tea is.

                  [–]Anti-TheistSenselessNoise 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Haha, how many times did that guy say the world was going to end and it never did? Did you ever hear about post-rapture pet insurance? Some people are making a killing off these idiots. I mean, people were euthanizing pets because they thought the world was going to end. It's disgusting.

                  And I totally agree, if science was consistently wrong, no one would believe it. But religion being repeatedly wrong? "God works in mysterious ways, no one knows how He thinks."

                  It really is like playing chess against a pigeon.

                  [–]gelinrefira 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The abrahamic god is undefiniable and unfalsifiable anyway, therefore, it is a waste of time even trying to discuss it in any scientific way. Add the convenient excuse of not testing god because that is insulting to him and will piss him off and you come full circle back to the sheer absurdity of this enterprise.

                  [–]Flowah 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  Absence of evidence is evidence of absence only when you know you should be able to observe the phenomenon, but don't.

                  Shouldn't we?

                  Consider:

                  1. The books speak often and plainly about miracles. People had no problem seeing them a couple thousand years ago. Where did they go?
                  2. Prayer is claimed to work. Why doesn't it show up as making any statistical difference whatsoever?
                  3. There are many "historical" things claimed by the books. Like a mass exodus. Parting of the sea. A global flood. Where is the evidence for these things?

                  The absence of evidence for these events and phenomena is the evidence of absence. It's not a direct assault on the concept of a god, but definitely the god that many people imagine when they talk of god. A being that intercedes on our behalf past and present. Stenger said basically the same thing. A deist god can escape this, but the god of the three Abrahamic religions cannot. He is described and worshiped as an active, interfering, deity. There should be evidence of that if it's true. There is absolutely no evidence of it at all.

                  [–]Anti-TheistSenselessNoise -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  1. The books speak often and plainly about miracles. People had no problem seeing them a couple thousand years ago. Where did they go?

                  There's no mention of miracles post-Jesus in the Bible. Plus, there's "miraculous" recoveries even in this day and age. To assume there are no more miracles is to claim that all natural phenomena have been discovered and explained. This isn't something easily argued.

                  1. Prayer is claimed to work. Why doesn't it show up as making any statistical difference whatsoever?

                  You could argue prayer is as effective as placebo, and the placebo effect is a well-observed phenomenon.

                  1. There are many "historical" things claimed by the books. Like a mass exodus. Parting of the sea. A global flood. Where is the evidence for these things?

                  What parts of the Bible are literal and not allegory? There's some evidence of things like battles, but like I said, how can you tell which events are literal or not?

                  The absence of evidence for these events and phenomena is the evidence of absence. It's not a direct assault on the concept of a god, but definitely the god that many people imagine when they talk of god. A being that intercedes on our behalf past and present.

                  Is the absence of evidence for intelligent extraterrestrial life the evidence of absence? Can you say there's no life outside our world?

                  [–]Flowah 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  There's no mention of miracles post-Jesus in the Bible. Plus, there's "miraculous" recoveries even in this day and age. To assume there are no more miracles is to claim that all natural phenomena have been discovered and explained. This isn't something easily argued.

                  The evidence of absence argument doesn't require 100% disproving. That's the point. It's just supposed to be evidence of absence, not proof. The current trend is that nothing supernatural or miraculous has ever been confirmed as such. The vast majority of the time, there is a completely natural explanation. Rarely, something remains unexplained. To me, that's like saying that there are parts of Iraq that remain unsearched for WMDs. You don't have to scour every last square centimeter of Iraq and dig 100 meters into the ground to search for hidden bunkers for the absence of evidence to be evidence of absence of WMDs.

                  You could argue prayer is as effective as placebo, and the placebo effect is a well-observed phenomenon.

                  That's incredibly bad logic on two counts.

                  1. If prayer is just a placebo, then how is that anything but evidence against god? Prayer is supposed to have actual effects, not limited to the power of an already known, explained, and natural phenomenon.
                  2. There are studies which didn't inform the patients they were being prayed for, precisely because of trying to control for the placebo effect. In those cases, patients even did worse than the control group. It wasn't by a statistically significant degree, but still.

                  What parts of the Bible are literal and not allegory? There's some evidence of things like battles, but like I said, how can you tell which events are literal or not?

                  I just go based on their adherents say. Again, this is an attack for most Christians. You know, the ones that say man was created in his present form within the last 10,000 years, that believe Jesus did actually die and was raised after three days. Some will make their god more abstract. As Stenger said, the more abstract you make him, the more "deist," the less vulnerable to this that god becomes.

                  Is the absence of evidence for intelligent extraterrestrial life the evidence of absence? Can you say there's no life outside our world?

                  Considering the vast size and our terribly small window of looking for them, of course not. It's certainly evidence of the absence of their visiting us, but not evidence of their absent existence.

                  But that's not comparable at all and I think you should know that. A more appropriate analogy would be god and UFO visits. You know, claims of direct contact and experiences.

                  [–]Anti-TheistSenselessNoise -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  The evidence of absence argument doesn't require 100% disproving. That's the point. It's just supposed to be evidence of absence, not proof.

                  You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

                  ev·i·dence ˈevədəns/ noun 1. the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

                  Additionally, you know when people say, "The evidence of absence," that really means it's proof it is absent. In this case, it means that the lack of evidence of a god is the evidence of a lack of a god. Again, that argument sucks.

                  If prayer is just a placebo, then how is that anything but evidence against god? Prayer is supposed to have actual effects, not limited to the power of an already known, explained, and natural phenomenon.

                  Whoa, you need to re-read your statement and read more about the "placebo effect." Then try to prove the placebo effect couldn't be attributed to a god, who "works in mysterious ways." Then you can collect your Nobel prize.

                  There are studies which didn't inform the patients they were being prayed for, precisely because of trying to control for the placebo effect. In those cases, patients even did worse than the control group. It wasn't by a statistically significant degree, but still.

                  Ah, see, here's the thing. The placebo effect only works with the person taking the placebo. Me taking a placebo has no effect on your health. Third-party prayer is different from someone praying to get better, believing it's possible, and thereby evoking the placebo effect. The failure of third-party (and even first-person) prayer can be explained within the confines of religious thought ("you didn't pray hard enough," "it's God's plan," etc.), so your argument is kinda moot.

                  I just go based on their adherents say. Again, this is an attack for most Christians.

                  Oh?

                  You know, the ones that say man was created in his present form within the last 10,000 years,

                  So you mean YEC's? They're kind of the laughing stock of the Christian community.

                  Considering the vast size and our terribly small window of looking for them God, of course not. It's certainly evidence of the absence of their Him visiting us, but not evidence of their His absent existence.

                  See what I did there?

                  But that's not comparable at all and I think you should know that. A more appropriate analogy would be god and UFO visits. You know, claims of direct contact and experiences.

                  People claim they've been abducted by aliens. That's been going on for decades. Can you disprove it? I think your analogy needs work.

                  [–]De-Facto Atheistmytroc 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  People claim they've been abducted by aliens. That's been going on for decades. Can you disprove it?

                  No, I cannot disprove it. However, it is still entirely rationally to conclude that those people are crazy, same as all the ones that have been closely examined, and that aliens are not in fact abducting people, or visiting earth at all. Without a solid proof, I can still examine the evidence and reach a reasonable conclusion.

                  In the same way, people claim that Jesus comes to them and speaks to them. Since there is no evidence at all that this is happening, it's safe to simply dismiss these claims as crazy and assume God does not exist.

                  Not believing an unproven claim is the default position.

                  The preponderance of evidence indicate dismissing the possibility. We might be wrong, but after a certain point, you have to acknowledge that we probably aren't.

                  Absence of evidence, after extensive searching, is evidence enough of absence.

                  [–]Flowah 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Additionally, you know when people say, "The evidence of absence," that really means it's proof it is absent. In this case, it means that the lack of evidence of a god is the evidence of a lack of a god. Again, that argument sucks.

                  No, it means there's an "indication" that it's absent. Did you even attempt to read your own provided definition? Evidence is not proof.

                  Whoa, you need to re-read your statement and read more about the "placebo effect." Then try to prove the placebo effect couldn't be attributed to a god, who "works in mysterious ways." Then you can collect your Nobel prize.

                  I think rather, you need to think more deeply than a 2 year old. If the power of god is no greater than a saline solution or sugar pill, then what power does prayer hold? The differences in outcome between when there are no prayers and where there are prayers is none at all. Is this proof god doesn't exist? No. It's evidence that prayer doesn't work though. If the effect of your "treatment" is only the same as a placebo then your treatment isn't really treatment at all. This is why homeopathy isn't really medicine. It might have a placebo effect, but that's the only effect it has. Prayer is homeopathy.

                  Third-party prayer is different from someone praying to get better, believing it's possible, and thereby evoking the placebo effect. The failure of third-party (and even first-person) prayer can be explained within the confines of religious thought ("you didn't pray hard enough," "it's God's plan," etc.), so your argument is kinda moot.

                  Prayer is not a concept limited to first person requests. You can request things on other people's behalf. Christians do this all the time.

                  So you mean YEC's? They're kind of the laughing stock of the Christian community.

                  How can you be the laughing stock if you're the bigger group? There are more Christians who believe that humans were created in their present form within the last 10,000 years than there are who believe that man evolved naturally. At least in the US.

                  See what I did there?

                  I see that you're terrible at logic.

                  Aliens out there are different than a god who is claimed to interfere directly in our lives both past and present. That's why I said that god is more similar to UFO visits than unknown aliens out there that have never been claimed to visit us.

                  The absence of evidence for alien visitations is evidence of absence that they have ever visited us. It is not evidence of absence of their existence. Similarly, absence of evidence of interventions by god are evidence of absence that he's ever interfered. Now, since most of the Abrahamic religions claim that god has and continues to interfere in our world, that means the Abrahamic god at least, has evidence of absence.

                  If you defined aliens as "beings who taught the humans to build the pyramids and stonehenge and easter island and also have been visiting us and abducting us for centuries to probe us" then yes, I would say that the absence of evidence is evidence of absence for those aliens. It isn't of all aliens though. And since god is just one entity who is defined by most adherents as an active and interfering god, this works for him and not aliens.

                  It's not hard to see why if you use your brain.

                  People claim they've been abducted by aliens. That's been going on for decades. Can you disprove it? I think your analogy needs work.

                  Rather, it is your brain that needs work.

                  Yes, people claim they've been abducted by aliens. Can I disprove it? No. But the complete lack of evidence for supporting their claims points to the absence of those abductions.

                  People also claimed Iraq had WMDs. Can I disprove it? No. Again, we haven't done a square centimeter by square centimeter search of the entire nation. And we haven't dug into the ground for miles to ensure they weren't buried. And we haven't completely searched the entire globe to make sure Saddam didn't ship them out before we could find them. However, the absence of any evidence for WMDs, despite a very thorough search, points to the evidence of absence.

                  This isn't that hard, dude. Please, just think a little bit harder.

                  [–]Anti-TheistSenselessNoise -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  First, you need to dial back being a dick. I'm having a pretty civil conversation, and I'm trying not to be mean and nasty. If you want to resort to name calling and belittling, that's your call.

                  No, it means there's an "indication" that it's absent. Did you even attempt to read your own provided definition? Evidence is not proof.

                  Look up the definitions of "evidence" and "proof." You're terrible at this, man. They're synonymous. I can't believe I have to argue this.

                  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evidence

                  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proof

                  If the power of god is no greater than a saline solution or sugar pill, then what power does prayer hold?

                  Herp derp. You need to learn what the "placebo effect" is. I'll help you out. The placebo effect is a phenomenon where simply belief in the efficacy of a substance elicits a response, regardless of how inert the substance is. It's important in drug trials to show that the drug is effective beyond simply the psychosomatic effect of "positive thinking." The use of placebo is a negative control - you know nothing should happen, but it's not always the case. Do you know how many drugs have a slightly better performance over placebo?

                  Prayer is not a concept limited to first person requests. You can request things on other people's behalf. Christians do this all the time.

                  You clearly didn't read what I said. Read it again. I'll bold it for you.

                  Third-party prayer is different from someone praying to get better, believing it's possible, and thereby evoking the placebo effect. The failure of third-party (and even first-person) prayer can be explained within the confines of religious thought ("you didn't pray hard enough," "it's God's plan," etc.), so your argument is kinda moot.

                  Did you get it this time?

                  How can you be the laughing stock if you're the bigger group? There are more Christians who believe that humans were created in their present form within the last 10,000 years than there are who believe that man evolved naturally. At least in the US.

                  See 2 Peter 3:8. That's what most Christians use to marry evolution with creationism into the concept of "theistic evolution." Again, you've clearly never spent time or studied Christian thought or apologetics.

                  I see that you're terrible at logic.

                  Likewise. By the way, I'm a pretty loud atheist. You do realize you're not arguing with a believer, right?

                  Aliens out there are different than a god who is claimed to interfere directly in our lives both past and present. That's why I said that god is more similar to UFO visits than unknown aliens out there that have never been claimed to visit us.

                  Haha, have you ever studied religion? "God works in mysterious ways." "How can we know what God thinks or does?" Then the whole, "God doesn't show himself because it interferes with free-will and love." Seriously dude, your ignorance is glaring.

                  Rather, it is your brain that needs work.

                  That's it.

                  Yes, people claim they've been abducted by aliens. Can I disprove it? No. But the complete lack of evidence for supporting their claims points to the absence of those abductions.

                  You must be stupid to still not understand that evidence and proof ARE SYNONYMOUS. Look in any dictionary, any thesaurus. Jesus Christ on a stick, man. It can't be that hard.

                  People also claimed Iraq had WMDs. Can I disprove it? No. Again, we haven't done a square centimeter by square centimeter search of the entire nation. And we haven't dug into the ground for miles to ensure they weren't buried. And we haven't completely searched the entire globe to make sure Saddam didn't ship them out before we could find them. However, the absence of any evidence for WMDs, despite a very thorough search, points to the evidence of absence.

                  Hahaha, oh wow. You should look up Al-Anfal. Then you should realize Saddam had WMD's because the US fucking gave them to him when they were pissed at Iran. And again, you fail to see that "evidence" and "proof" are synonymous.

                  This isn't that hard, dude. Please, just think a little bit harder.

                  When you start to think, let me know. I'm already thinking harder than you.

                  [–]Flowah 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  They're synonymous. I can't believe I have to argue this.

                  Except they aren't?

                  I need to ask you where you got your scientific credentials to call yourself a "scientist" because this is basic stuff. Evidence is not proof. This is a well known concept though it seems to elude you. Please, do a little more reading.

                  The fact that you link to dictionary definitions is telling. Science has its own terminology. The colloquial meaning of things like law, theory, proof, evidence, are different than the scientific definition of those terms. Isn't that obvious?

                  Please go to /r/askscience and ask if they are the same thing. I want to see a bunch a verified actual scientists call you an idiot.

                  It's important in drug trials to show that the drug is effective beyond simply the psychosomatic effect of "positive thinking." The use of placebo is a negative control - you know nothing should happen, but it's not always the case. Do you know how many drugs have a slightly better performance over placebo?

                  And? Homeopathy and sugar pills might have an effect but they are not medicine and they are not treatments. That's the point. And if god's effect is nothing more than what is provided by the placebo effect, then the difference between god existing and interceding and not existing and not interceding is nil. If there's no difference, that's evidence that he doesn't exist, or at least that prayer doesn't work. No one says that homeopathy "works" just because it can trigger the placebo effect. Duh.

                  Did you get it this time?

                  That's great. Again, the simple point that you continue to miss is that there is no statistical difference between prayer and no prayer. That is evidence that prayer doesn't work. Which is evidence for the absence of god. You can pray to a jug of milk and it will have the same efficacy as praying to god. Obviously the jug of milk has no healing powers. Either god doesn't exist, has no healing powers, or doesn't ever care to use them. Either way, it's evidence for that.

                  See 2 Peter 3:8. That's what most Christians use to marry evolution with creationism into the concept of "theistic evolution." Again, you've clearly never spent time or studied Christian thought or apologetics.

                  That's great. I don't see how it's relevant. When you ask American Christians what they think they answer one way more than the other. Since Christianity is completely subjective and not bound to any reality, the majority opinion is the one that matters. I don't care what X or Y apologist says. I care what most of the self-professed adherents say.

                  By the way, I'm a pretty loud atheist. You do realize you're not arguing with a believer, right?

                  Welp, you're just proving that not all atheists are smart. No big deal.

                  Haha, have you ever studied religion? "God works in mysterious ways." "How can we know what God thinks or does?" Then the whole, "God doesn't show himself because it interferes with free-will and love." Seriously dude, your ignorance is glaring.

                  I was born and raised Catholic, attended Catholic schools, mass, camps. I have more than enough education and experience in the field. Nonetheless, your protestations are not relevant. I must once again reiterate to you (since you time and again fail to understand it) that so far, the world in which god exists is indistinguishable from the one that he doesn't. Let's compare it to Stenger's elephant in Yellowstone analogy.

                  Would you agree, that the absence of any evidence of an elephant existing in Yellowstone park is evidence of absent elephants in Yellowstone park? That the absence of any droppings, tracks, hairs, and whatever else is evidence that there is no elephant in Yellowstone park? If you can't agree to that, then I'm never going to be able to lead your dull mind through this process.

                  If you can agree to that, then consider that yes, people can make all sorts of excuses for the elephant. He poops in a very small hole that we just haven't found yet. He's a light elephant and leaves no tracks. He's mute and never trumpets. Can you make excuses? Yes. Can I disprove such an elephant? No, not really. You can always come up with more excuses. "He's invisible!" if all else fails. The absence of evidence is still evidence of absence in that case though. The simple test is, is there any difference whatsoever in the two scenarios. Is there a difference between the elephant that doesn't exist and the elephant people claim exists but leaves no trace at all and never interacts with anything? And there isn't.

                  Similarly, you can make excuses for god. He works in mysterious ways. He chooses to hide himself. Yes, you can make excuses. It prevents me from proving that your god doesn't exist. It doesn't however mean that the evidence doesn't point to his absence.

                  You must be stupid to still not understand that evidence and proof ARE SYNONYMOUS. Look in any dictionary, any thesaurus.

                  I'm going to need to ask for a picture of your degree from an accredited school with your degree in a scientific field. Because I cannot believe you don't get this. Evidence and proof are not the same thing. Renowned scientists from around the world agree on that. You apparently do not. Here's a simple way to think about it, though I don't know if it's simple enough for you (I rather doubt it at this point).

                  Scientific theories are called theories for a reason. They are open to being disproven. Every single one of them. Gravity, evolution, yes, they are open to it. You cannot prove something and then have it open to being disproven. That's not how it works. So those theories have tons of evidence yes, but they aren't proven.

                  [–]mad-lab 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  There's no mention of miracles post-Jesus in the Bible.

                  First of all, that's not true. Read Acts.

                  Second of all, that's not relevant. The Christian bible explicitly states that prayers would be answered whenever they are made, and does not say that this would somehow cease to be the case after Jesus.

                  To assume there are no more miracles is to claim that all natural phenomena have been discovered and explained. This isn't something easily argued. You could argue prayer is as effective as placebo, and the placebo effect is a well-observed phenomenon.

                  That's not the effectiveness claimed by the Christian bible or by adherents...

                  What parts of the Bible are literal and not allegory? There's some evidence of things like battles, but like I said, how can you tell which events are literal or not?

                  The adherents claim to know which ones are literal and not. Thus, these arguments are completely valid when responding to those who claim these parts are literal. Yes, these arguments might not be valid when responding to a theist who believes the Christian bible is entirely figurative... but then there are other arguments to be made against such theists...

                  Is the absence of evidence for intelligent extraterrestrial life the evidence of absence? Can you say there's no life outside our world?

                  The key parts being "when evidence is expected". Because we've only explored a tiny, tiny fraction of the universe, we cannot in good faith (lol) say that we should have expected the evidence of extraterrestrials by now. The same is not true for traditional Judeo-Christian conceptions of god, where the Christian bible (as well as the adherents) suggest we should see ample concrete and definitive evidence.

                  [–]FolkSong 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Have you heard of Bayesian reasoning? Absence of evidence for X is not PROOF of absence of X, but it's a good reason to lower your expectation for the probability of X being true.

                  [–]smchemique 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I hope that you've read the article. He alluded to your point when he said

                  For thirty years physicists have been searching for a particle called the Higgs boson that hypothetically plays a key role in the universe, so important that it has been referred to (perhaps facetiously) as the "God Particle." In the standard model of particles and forces put in place in the 1970s and consistent with every observation since, Higgs bosons pervade the universe and generate mass, the very stuff of matter. We have failed to observe them so far because we have lacked the necessary instruments. However, there are good theoretical reasons to believe that the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Geneva, now accumulating its initial data, should provide evidence for the Higgs. If it does not -- a prospect most physicists regard as possible -- then the Higgs boson would be shown not to exist.

                  [–]Anti-TheistSenselessNoise 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yep, I did read it. That's why I brought it up. The Higgs-Boson was in the same camp until the LHC, but plenty of people claimed it couldn't/didn't exist. Even now, people say it was an anomaly. But the point I'm making is that when you can't observe something, you can't automatically say it doesn't exist. It's a crappy argument.

                  [–]mad-lab 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I want to get behind this guy, but as a scientist it's hard. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence only when you know you should be able to observe the phenomenon, but don't.

                  Wait, so why is it hard to get behind him? That's pretty much his point...

                  "This [absence of evidence ] doesn't bother most believers because they have heard many times that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

                  However, just repeating a statement over and over again does not make it true. I can think of many cases where absence of evidence provides robust evidence of absence."

                  ...

                  "That is the situation with the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God. Until recent times, absence of evidence for his existence has not been sufficient to rule him out. However, we now have enough knowledge that we can identify many places where there should be evidence, but there is not. The absence of that evidence allows us to rule out the existence of this God beyond a reasonable doubt."

                  [–]markliederbach 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Exactly. Just because we aren't technologically prepared to observe something doesn't make it nonexistent. That being said, if you can logically prove that the conditions exist to be able to observe something and it doesn't happen, that's different.

                  [–]smchemique 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  There is good reason why string theory is more accurately referred to as string hypothesis.
                  Here is the TED talk where Brian Greene is proposing a testable prediction of string hypothesis

                  [–]Nihilistskadefryd 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Absence of evidence is evidence of absence, but this doesn't necessarily weaken string theory. Write down Bayes' theorem, and let H be a hypothesis and D be the observation "something predicted by H is, in fact, not observed." Then

                  P(H|D) = P(H)P(D|H)/P(D)

                  In many cases, P(D|H)/P(D) < 1, so D weakens H.

                  In the case of string theory, we haven't yet been in a regime where we expect to observe anything it predicts. There's no equivalent of D. The fact that we don't observe them doesn't qualify as evidence against it.

                  [–]gelinrefira 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Fro some scientists, string theory does not even qualified as a theory in the strictest sense. It is a very elaborate hypothesis. No doubt the math and ideas involved are wonderful, but there is really no evidence for it yet. In any case, the strong theory probably stands a better chance to be proven than god because despite its elusiveness, it was conceptualized on existing scientific theories and math which in itself lends it much credence.

                  [–]GMNightmare 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  Can we say, since there's no evidence, they don't exist

                  Evidence is not the same thing as proof.

                  [–]Clibanarius 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  When there's absolutely nothing to even SUGGEST something existing, you legitimately don't need to go much further than that.

                  [–]rickyjoebobby 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  the only thing sadder than his death is that this thread only has 18 comments. What a quote too, i'm going to remember that one.

                  [–]MrInRageous 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Fear not--his name is known and he'll be missed. Some of us probably posted in other places--for example, the other atheism site that shall not be named.

                  [–]lordslag 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  cries bitterly

                  [–]leon_zero 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Loved his contribution to "The Portable Atheist." RIP.

                  [–]NWBoomer 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  I got to watche a debate between Stenger and Professional debater and apologist William Lane Craig. Victor was no match style wise against the smooth talking Craig, but damn, Victor had his facts straight. He will be missed.

                  [–]buckykat 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  All Craig does is lie really fast. Because it takes longer to explain why something is bullshit than it does to spout bullshit, his opponent is simply swamped in more bullshit than they can handle in the format of a timed debate. This is called a Gish gallop, and is a favored tactic among apologist debaters.

                  [–]Nihilistskadefryd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I actually think Stenger's debate against Craig was one of the better ones. He, Ray Bradley, and Shelley Kagan all did quite well against Craig.

                  [–]Kyzzyxx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  RIP

                  [–]moonflower 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  ''Science gives us atom bombs, religion gives us cornflakes, cherry picking gives us slogans''

                  [–]Agnostic Atheistth3greg 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  religion gives us cornflakes

                  does it really?

                  Edit: I looked it up, it seems like it definitely has a part, but more that Kellogg had weird views about the physical effects of masturbation on the body, as well as, if not more than, the moral. One of those views was that healthy diet helps curb masturbatory urges, which caused him to make granola and corn flakes.

                  [–]redalastor [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                  Biology gives us masturbation. That's better than religion.

                  [–]smchemique 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Science gave you the computer and the internet. Hypocrite.

                  [–]Pvt_Shame 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Isn't that the whole point of the quote?

                  Science has given us a lot of good things. It's also made some pretty bad things.

                  Religion's the same.

                  I'd argue that science has given a lot more good than religion, but the point is that if you only present one example from a huge pool, it's easy to prove your point.

                  [–]moonflower -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Do you know the meaning of ''hypocrite''?

                  [–]smchemique 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Do you know?

                  [–]moonflower 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Yes, that's why I'm asking

                  [–]smchemique -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  No, you don't.

                  [–]AvalancheofNeed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Well, that settles that, then. What a convincing argument.

                  [–]smchemique -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You never gave an argument to begin with with regard to the word 'hypocrite'. Therefore I never feel obliged to convince you.

                  [–]hybridxer0 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  While most could argue the damage religion has done simply looking at history and modern news, I'm also not naive to think that scientific advances haven't given us WMDs and Biological Warfare.

                  I'm not knocking the man's achievements in the slightest, it's just not a quote I'd want to be remembered by.

                  [–]paradigm86 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  If you put into perspective e how much religion holds back or slows down the progression of humanity, yes it is. Good quote. Believing in fairy tales prevents you from seeking the truth for yourself.

                  [–]Beefmotron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Prove it.

                  [–]paradigm86 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Prove why religion is an every receding pocket of hocus pocus? Is this 2014?

                  [–]Anti-Theistim_not_afraid 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  fifth horseman

                  Please stop counting horsemen

                  [–]Gnostic Atheistg7yw5SZ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Okay. Alternate suggestion on how to get to sleep at night?

                  [–]Anti-Theistim_not_afraid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Count elements on the Periodic Table.

                  [–]Gnostic Atheistg7yw5SZ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Meh. Mythological beings are much more fun.

                  [–]the_wurd_burd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I got yelled at when I said "atheist community" in a post.

                  [–]Secular HumanistMerari01 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Sorry about that. I like this atheist community here on reddit. It's a good atheist community.

                  [–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

                  [deleted]

                    [–]Irreligiousdumnezero[M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, your comment has been removed for the following reason:

                    For information regarding this and similar issues please see the Subreddit Guidelines. If you have any questions, please feel free to message the mods. Thank you.

                    [–]pepperouchau 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I thought this sub loved maymays, though! RIP one-click macros.

                    [–]godfuckingdarnit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Damn. He was a good writer. Never quite achieved the notoriety he probably deserved.

                    [–]Emersontm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I remember hearing that phrase. Never knew who said it until now.

                    [–]thatpunkguy13 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I got a shirt with his quote.

                    [–]montagekid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I find it ironic this is coming from the Utah Salt Lake Tribune

                    [–]Atheistthefalconnamedgreg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I always wondered how an atheist community would react to a death of someone they/we generally admired. It was exactly as expected!

                    I just hope he had a great life.

                    [–]DalekZed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It is a shame he had to die, but aren't we all just dying slowly? Why morn his death ( in fact why morn any death at all) when you can use the memory of them and their story to contribute to society by doing your own great things. After all, the only "after life" that truly exists is others memories and thoughts of you when you were alive. Make your life count for humanity, do something great for all of us as a species.

                    [–]roastposi [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                    Well, at least we know he's in a better place now.....NOT! Ahhhahaha!!!

                    [–]Strong AtheistIQBoosterShot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Later this evening I'll send up some smoke for Victor.

                    [–]no_turn_unstoned 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    lmao

                    [–]irishblues81 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Where is the article saying he converted to theism on his deathbed?

                    [–]fish_slap_republic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    "he converted to theism on his deathbed" irishblues81 September 4th 2014

                    [–]lvclix 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I know he's in a better pla...oh wait.

                    [–]Existentialistprecursormar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yep, there is nowhere better than, or other to, healthy life. It is a sad day indeed that this man ceases to exist. But his memory remains in a good place: catalogued in history, science, and the minds of those for whom he was a beacon of integrity and intellect.

                    [–]pbachran -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'll pray for him.

                    [–]AJGrayTay 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Good quip.

                    [–]OG_Ersatz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I don't know this person but that is an awesome quote.

                    [–]Retlaw83 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    And in 15 years we can all enjoy the lie that he realized his error and converted to Christianity on his deathbed.

                    [–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

                    [deleted]

                      [–]SkepticStAlfonso 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      A wonder how many christians are gonna make shit up about how he converted on his deathbed?

                      [–]DigbyBrouge -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      "The Atheist Community?" Hrm...