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But let me ask you this. If it were a male scientist, with two female hazmat helpers, would you claim sexism? A woman being helped in a male-dominated field does not automatically mean sexism.

And in this particular case, the blogger who made this image was probably working with what he had; the faces are unisex when you have no hair for context. They're Legos, for chrissakes.

If I had set something on fire in a lab, and two male coworkers came over to help me, I wouldn't ask them to stop because I am a strong, independent woman in the workforce. I would want the fire to be out. And then I'd probably be at least a little embarrassed afterward. I doubt I would even think about the genders of the people who helped me. I'd just be thanking them.

ANYWAYS, on topic: I just think it's strange when people are LOOKING for sexism in the most inane things. The internet has really made this a problem.

[–]majortomandjerry -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2 時間前 (1子コメント)

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I thought Lego released the set because a little girl wrote a great letter asking Lego to produce more sets with women doing cool things and having awesome jobs, rather than shopping sets, pink blocks, and similar. Lego (likely) wouldn't have done it without the publicity that letter got. But I guess I'm splitting hairs.

Look, sexism in my opinion has a lot to do with intent and context. The intention here (I imagine) was to make something humorous with the Legos that he had, to post on his blog alongside a review of the set. Like I said earlier, it just feels like you're projecting, since there is no context to draw from.

Perhaps I am projecting as well; I myself am female, and my sister is getting a doctorate in a (obviously) male-dominated science field (I don't want to get specific so I don't identify myself), so since this topic (females in science, not a lab on fire) is common in my life maybe that's why I saw this as funny, rather than assuming it had bad intent behind it (intentional or not).

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I don't mean to come off as insensitive but how is this "very much" sexist?

Asking questions is never wrong. :)

The point of the female scientist set is to have serious female figures in science. There are female scientist figures from Lego, but it's more akin to this., with such beautiful descriptions as:

Head down to Olivia’s Invention Workshop to help her create a remote-controlled pet robot!

Together with all the pink and colorful parts not very serious.

The image shows a female scientist messing up in her lab and men coming to help her.

That face was included in the set because it is a laboratory and shit happens.

It seems more likely that the face was included because they're not printing any new faces, and needed a female face with glasses which didn't leave many options.

Both male and female scientists spill things.

This is a common mistake (The reverse argument) and probably why you don't understand why it's sexist. Just because something happens to both, doesn't mean it's not sexist to present one doing it.

It might be hard to follow if you're unfamiliar with patriarchy and privilege, but you have to understand that the male sex is, right now, the dominant sex and we very much do live in a patriarchal society. The female sex is, in all ways, a minority.

There is a very big difference between the majority making fun of the minority, the minority making fun of the majority, and the majority making fun of the majority.

A good primer on the subject can be found here.

[–]donkeyrocket 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 5 時間前 (0子コメント)

Cool, thanks for the reply. It is a touchy subject and not one I generally participate in because it always comes down to "you're a man so you wouldn't understand" but I'm glad you explained your side of it and wasn't dismissive.

I can definitely see how someone came up with that narrative for the situation but my counter would be that since there are many interpretations of this situation then it isn't "very much" sexist rather could be interpreted as sexist in one/a couple ways.

Initially I was going to respond "well we don't know the gender of the hazmat people but then I looked it up and it's named "hazmat guy." I simply didn't think of it like them "rescuing her" after a spill. I think simplifying it to they're rescuing her you're immediately settling on preconceived notions you have of how women are portrayed (again I think this falls into my "unfamiliarity with patriarchy and privilege"). Why didn't you view it as a highly successful female scientist spilled something and two hazmat workers (who likely don't have the extensive schooling as the scientist) came to clean up the mess because that is what they're trained to do? It seems that building that narrative and bringing attention to it in that light would be more productive than declaring it sexist.

Thanks again!

[–]Blade_Omega 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5 時間前 (2子コメント)

Together with all the pink and colorful parts not very serious.

Not everything has to be white/grey/black to be taken seriously. If you think that set is "not very serious" because it contains pink and colorful parts, that's your opinion.

There is a very big difference between the majority making fun of the minority, the minority making fun of the majority, and the majority making fun of the majority.

I personally understand where you're coming from, but I also disagree. This is one of the most frustrating things about people who cry sexist. When your only answer to "why is this sexist" is "Privilege", you're not helping your case, and in fact you are only making it worse. By saying a man posting a picture of a woman screwing up something is sexist, but anyone else posting a picture of a man screwing up is just fine, that's putting women on a pedestal.

Equality would be a world where people didn't make these arguments on something as innocent as a picture of LEGO Minifigs.

[–]Touringcar -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 5 時間前 (1子コメント)

Not everything has to be white/grey/black to be taken seriously. If you think that set is "not very serious" because it contains pink and colorful parts, that's your opinion.

No, it's patriarchal. Do you think that set is aimed to kids of both genders? No, it's not.

I personally understand where you're coming from, but I also disagree.

Let me guess, you're a white young to middle aged male raised and living in a western country?

Do you have any idea how idiotic it is to make a comment about how a minority's inequality is incorrect?

Did you even bother reading the argument?

You are the majority, you don't know what life is like as a minority. Don't make comments about what's correct or what's not correct, when it's not something you have any knowledge about.

It's exactly why patriarchy will remain for way too long. Not because people don't want inequality, but because they're too ignorant and defensive to understand it. They think that because they think it's not a problem, it's not a problem. That's not how it works.

Of course you don't think of this as a problem, that's what makes us the minority.

that's putting women on a pedestal.

No, that's not understanding minorities. Please read the article linked above instead of being so self-secure about something you have no personal experience in.

An American making fun of a Turkish person is not the same as a Turkish person making fun of an American, and you'd be very ignorant to try and refute that. Not smart, not clever, not witty, simply ignorant.

It's one of the most simplistic train of thoughts and biggest misunderstandings from people who have the privilege, and if you're going to tell a minority that what they feel is wrong, you're so self-centered and ignorant I don't even know where to begin.

The first step to anything is to at least understand your own privilege, which you do not.

[–]Blade_Omega 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間前 (0子コメント)

Let me guess, you're a white young to middle aged male raised and living in a western country?

I'm curious as to what gave you that impression?

Do you have any idea how idiotic it is to make a comment about how a minority's inequality is incorrect?

What does this even mean? Am I supposed to assume you are a minority? First off, you are making an excellent case by calling me idiotic for saying "I disagree".

You are the majority, you don't know what life is like as a minority. Don't make comments about what's correct or what's not correct, when it's not something you have any knowledge about.

Kid, you need to calm down. You're making a whole bunch of assumptions based on that fact that all I did was disagree with you. I was very respectful in my argument, and even now I only refer to you as a "kid" because no grown adult would start a oppression Olympics conversation on a forum about LEGOs.

I am not having this conversation, not here. So take that as a "victory" like your kind tend to do, and pat yourself on the back for taking on a mean old misogynist on a subreddit about LEGOs.

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