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[–]ssianky -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (58子コメント)

Actually he is right. Addiction is not a disease, but a choice. A year ago I just have chosen to quit smoking after 25 years of up to 3 packs per day.

[–]drafterman 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Why did you quit?

[–]Harddaysnight1990 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then there are those born with an addictive personality. And they don't even know it until it's too late. They try the first cigarette because "why the hell not?" and then a month later they're up to a pack a day and might not ever quit. That's why you're not supposed to say that you've completely recovered from an addiction, because all it takes is one and you'll fall off the wagon.

Addiction is 100% a disease, and once you're an addict, you can't always control it. Sure, you control the decisions that lead to the addiction, but once you're there, it's a disease. Saying that addiction isn't a disease and that we shouldn't treat people who suffer from addiction like it is a disease is like saying that you shouldn't treat people who have the flu, if it can be traced back to them not washing their hands enough. I mean, they made the conscious decision to not wash their hands enough, so why give them any form of treatment?

[–]ActualButt 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he's half right. It's a choice to start doing something that is known to be addictive. However, once you're good and hooked, a significant portion of your willpower is diminished in regards to the addictive thing, whatever it is.

I quit smoking myself, so I know how hard it can be, but it's not the same for everyone.

[–]Nerdiator 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (44子コメント)

It still is a disease. Because you're healed doesn't mean its not a disease

[–]wideasleep3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Except you heal the disease yourself by making a choice.

[–]Nerdiator -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Like pretty much any disease. How do you heal a flu? By choosing to take medicin.

[–]ilikecamelsalot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Uh.. cancer?..

[–]Nerdiator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

By choosing to take Chemo and Radiationtherapies

[–]ilikecamelsalot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Not all cancers can be healed, though.

[–]Nerdiator 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Not all people who have addictions could be healed either.

[–]ilikecamelsalot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's just a matter of having the willpower to stop. I don't believe addiction is a disease. No one chooses to get cancer. People choose to pick up a cigarette.

[–]Nerdiator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

No one chooses to get an addiction either; Nor do they choose to get cancer.

[–]ssianky 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (18子コメント)

I am not healed, I just choose to not smoke. A disease is something that I have no powers on, but that is not true in the case of addiction.

[–]nope_nic_tesla 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

That is not what the word "disease" means. Your argument is basically "it doesn't fit my personal definition of disease, which contradicts the actual medical definition".

[–]ssianky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (11子コメント)

It doesn't fit dictionary definition too. Except maybe the "trouble" meaning.

[–]nope_nic_tesla 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

How does it not?

a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

It's definitely a disordered/incorrectly functioning part/structure/system of the body resulting from genetic or developmental errors/unfavorable environmental factors. Personal choices can be considered an environmental factor. We know genes can make people more prone to addiction. Addiction is also a developmental problem in that your body develops and functions differently as it becomes addicted to a substance.

[–]ssianky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

By that definition hunger is a disease too. And pregnancy too.

[–]nope_nic_tesla 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Malnutrition (which is essentially the result of prolonged hunger) is recognized as a disease, yes. Pregnancy is not as it is not disordered or incorrectly functioning, that is how the body is supposed to function.

[–]ssianky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I said hunger, not malnutrition.

[–]nope_nic_tesla 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Typical hunger (like from skipping lunch) is not a disease under that definition. It does not cause any of your organs or bodily systems to function incorrectly.

It really baffles me why you folks are so keen on contradicting the entire medical industry as if you know better than experts in the field do. Does it make you feel smarter or something?

It's especially ironic considering this is a sub full of people who fancy themselves to be on the side of science.

[–]Nerdiator -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So Schizofrenia is not a disease? "They should just controll themselves!"

[–]ssianky -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

My mother is schizophrenic for almost all my life, so I am sure that they can not control themselves, but an addict, which I was for so long time, can.

[–]Nerdiator -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Maybe you could, but that doesn't mean any addict can.

[–]ssianky -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sounds like excuses of an addict. For many years I said this too.

[–]Nerdiator -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not an addict. But I have seen people who have severe addiction. It is a disease, just like alzheimers or cancer is a disease

[–]graffix01 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

No, I wouldn't call it a disease in the context that most people accept the term as something that invades the body involuntarily. Wikipedia does state one of the descriptions as deviant behaviors but it also states that Death due to disease is called death by natural causes.

By that logic addiction is not a natural cause anymore than putting a gun in your mouth.

I say this as someone who grew up with an alcoholic parent that died from it and also personally was addicted to hard core drugs for almost a decade. I did not have a disease, it was a choice I made, though the drugs do make a compelling case when you are in the middle of it. In the end I chose to stop, I was not cured by anything other than restraint and self preservation.

[–]Nerdiator 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's bullshit. Mental diseases are diseases aswell. Not all diseases have germs or virusses.

[–]graffix01 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Agreed, but you don't actively ingest something to get a mental disease. There isn't really a behavior that you perform to cause a mental disease. My distinction about using the term disease with addiction has to do with the voluntary nature of addiction vs a disease that happens to you without your consent, as it were.

[–]Nerdiator -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There isn't a behavior that causes people to be gay either, yet it's not their choice. And people don't want to get addicted. The reason they are addicted has to do with dopamine in the brain. Thus a disease.

[–]graffix01 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you calling being gay a disease?!

So is exercise a disease, pretty much the same thing at the level of the brain.

[–]Nerdiator -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did not call being gay a disease, I just made an example to show that not everything is a choice. Doing an exercise is a choice. But for some people the dopamine reaction makes it an addiction, which makes it very hard for them not to do an exercise; Thus it's no longer a choice.

And theoretically being gay could be an evolutionairy disease.

[–]nope_nic_tesla 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, I wouldn't call it a disease in the context that most people accept the term as something that invades the body involuntarily

That's not the medical definition so I'm not sure why you think that is how "most people accept the term".

[–]graffix01 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A disease is a particular abnormal, pathological condition that affects part or all of an organism. It is often construed as a medical condition associated with specific symptoms and signs.[1] It may be caused by factors originally from an external source, such as infectious disease, or it may be caused by internal dysfunctions, such as autoimmune diseases.

[–]nope_nic_tesla 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Addiction meets that pretty clearly.

It is an abnormal, pathological condition that affects part or all of an organism and is caused by internal dysfunctions. That these internal dysfunctions were caused by individual choices is irrelevant.

[–]graffix01 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OK I can see what you are saying. I guess it depends on whether you are talking about the internal inclination to take a drug is the addiction or the addictive properties of said drug once taken.

[–]RobinLSL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like you weren't addicted to me.
But I would just say that addiction is a disease which is highly dependant on your mental strength/determination.

[–]BaadKitteh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please tell us more about how you quitting smoking negates decades of medical science; I am enthralled.