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[–]kars4kidz -29 ポイント-28 ポイント  (54子コメント)

As an Eagle fan, it doesn't make me forget anything he did.

Edit: I'm not saying he hasn't done everything right since he got out and obviously I supported him from a football perspective. However, this does not validate anything he did before he got out and how he was an animal abuser.

[–]double0nothingTrading Walruses for Wins Since '13 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a fan of human beings, you don't have to forget the mistakes people made, but when they make a heartfelt effort to patch those mistakes over, I think it's worth making the effort to forgive them. That's just like, my opinion, though.

[–]liquid_courage 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm the same way, but there will always be people that won't get over it. It's ok. Publicly, he's handled everything with poise and tact. Some people just can't reconcile his actions and his post-incarceration behavior, which is the way it goes, I suppose.

[–]Eaglesboy322DRINK MY KELLY GREEN KOOLAID 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one should forget what he did. If we do then others will make the same mistake.

I do however think that he's done more than enough to earn forgiveness. I know not everyone will look past it and will always see him as a bad person. I've always felt that people make mistakes. Some are worse than others but people should always have a chance to redeem themselves.

I respect Vick as a player but I respect him much more as a man. He did the crime, he did the time, and with his second chance he turned his life around.

[–]Jdodds1 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (47子コメント)

Vick did everything the law told him to do to make it right with the state, he then did everything humanly possible to make it right with god, if you can't move past his past then I'm afraid that says more about you than him

[–]digitizemd -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (44子コメント)

Yeah... kars4kidz being critical of him as a person is worse than Vick slamming dogs on the ground until they died because they wouldn't make him money in a dog fight. Right.

[–]Jdodds1 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (43子コメント)

What are you talking about? Kars4kids? Who mentioned that. I never said Vick WASNT A bad guy, he absolutely was, but people should be judged by who they ARE not who they WERE, I don't know if you're a Christian but if you are, how many people missed out on the ministry of the apostle Paul because they couldn't move passed what he did as Saul? I don't know what more you expect from the guy, apparently completely turning his life around and becoming a GREAT person isn't enough, IMO you're the one with the problem now, where's the forgiveness?

[–]digitizemd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Here's the thing: kars4kidz is being down voted for being critical of Vick. You even went to the extent that him/her being critical of Vick says more about him than Vick. It doesn't.

Second, I agree, Vick has been acting like a better person to the extent that we can see. I do get tired, though, of people acting like he's a fucking saint for playing football and not killing dogs and being a decent leader in the locker room. Read the comments in any Vick thread; it's a common theme. People act like because he's been an okay person since torturing dogs and profiting off of it, that he is a saint.

Also Vick is the person who tortured dogs. Not was. Is. He also is the person who seems to have gotten his act together. He's both. But as other people who have mentioned in this thread have said (in his defense) he grew up around dog fighting. It is ingrained in him, so that's why he did it. Well, that goes both ways. Two years in jail without counseling isn't going to magically change something so deeply ingrained in him.

Also you're putting words in my mouth. I don't really care about Vick, to be honest. He was a HUGE PIECE OF SHIT for torturing dogs. By the way, have you read testimony and details of what he did? I doubt it. But in the end, I don't hate the guy. He's obviously been doing better in life. Don't fucking put words in my mouth. You can go through my history and see me repeat all of this stuff on many occasions.

But please, tell me how Vick has been a GREAT person. Wow, he played football and didn't murder dogs! Well, fuck, let's give him the nobel peace prize....

[–]Jdodds1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (31子コメント)

He's also been a model father/husband, I don't care at all about him playing football, I don't like him as a qb, exciting Qbs don't win Super Bowls, tom Brady's do. His football means nothing to me, his going to inner city schools and speaking out to kids who are growing up the same way he did does mean something to me, even though he's not required to do it he still is, he hasn't had any problems at all since getting out, no DUI, no spousel abuse, etc that other people in his position deal with all the time. My point is that people should be judged by who they are, not who they were, and anyone who still has a problem with Vick either doesn't know everything he currently does (not for publicity btw, you have to actually search for it) or isn't capable of forgiveness. And I'm not the only one putting words in peoples mouths, I didn't downvote karsforkids, but you still messaged me as though you were responding to me doing that. Vick is a rare truly good person in pro sports, who he was is no longer important to me

[–]digitizemd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (30子コメント)

He's a model father and husband. Do you live with the guy? Do you talk to him on a daily basis? Are you a close family friend? You are full of it. You have no idea what his personal life is like. Neither do I. But don't pretend you do.

Also I would love to see a list of speaking engagements and community work he does. You must have one since you know so much about him.

[–]Jdodds1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (29子コメント)

And I'd like the name and date of the last dog he killed, I'd also like to see the police report for the last crime he committed, you have as much access to google as I do, if you really cared to find those things out you could, I'd say "but you probably find it easier just to blindly hate the guy" but you'd just tell me I'm putting words in your mouth again. He's done allot he needs forgiveness for, he's also done allot to deserve that forgiveness....what's the date of the last negative story involving Michael Vick? If they existed you don't think the media would be all over it? Lack of news is absolutely a sign of who he has become

[–]digitizemd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Not going to address how you are best friends with Vick and know he's a great person? Yeah, didn't think so.

The last negative story was from 2007. You know, when local and Federal authorities built a case against Vick for bank rolling and and participating in a dog fighting ring in his Virginia home. Some corroborated testimony had him sometimes taking part in the torture of dogs (that didn't include having them fight or basically making them slaves their entire lives. Just mercilessly killing them). You may have seen the story in every news outlet in the U.S.

Again, I don't really care about him. Just annoyed that people like you think he's a saint.

[–]Jdodds1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (27子コメント)

I did address why I believe he's a great person now, and the fact that the dog fighting ring was the last negative story about him proves my point...remember that before the dog fighting he was in the media for

  1. Flipping the bird to his home fans

  2. Trying to smuggle marijuana onto an airplane in a trick bottom water bottle

  3. Constantly throwing his teammates under the bus

  4. Being a lazy teammate

  5. Cheating on his wife

  6. And THEN the dogfighting

Since getting out of prison he's been in the news for

  1. Speaking at inner city schools about the dangers of their culture

  2. Being a great teammate

  3. Hard work in practice etc.

  4. And has had exactly ZERO negative stories about him

Why? Because who he IS is allot different than who he WAS, and that's how he should CURRENTLY be judged

[–]kars4kidz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

What are you talking about? Kars4kids? Who mentioned that.

if you can't move past his past then I'm afraid that says more about you than him

[–]Jdodds1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

If you're going to send my quotes to me at least explain why? I stand by that.

  1. Person a screws up

  2. Person b is offended

  3. Person a does everything humanly possible to turn his life around and asks for forgiveness

  4. Person b doesn't forgive him

Person b is currently in the wrong

[–]kars4kidz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes. Me for thinking that a man who tortured, killed, and exploited animals for his profit is bad means I am a bad person. Jeez, I've seen it all on reddit.

If you're going to send my quotes to me at least explain why?

You just said "What are you talking about? Kars4kids? Who mentioned that" right after you said "I'm afraid that says more about you than him.''

[–]Jdodds1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, I made a mistake there, I didn't notice your username, when he mentioned "kars4kids" I assumed he was talking about the charitable organization, not some guy on reddit. I thought the organization must've said something on twitter or whatever that I didn't hear about. That said, I stand by my statement, forgiveness is a big deal, when someone does something terrible, then turns their life around and asks for forgiveness it says allot about people who can't find it in their heart to offer it to them.

You just said to someone else "I don't care that he's a good husband and father"

Let me ask you, and I'm being serious, I'm not trying to disrespect you and I'd appreciate an actual answer rather than just the typical defensive passive aggressive crap I've got from other people on here.

What's the point of Vick going to prison, speaking to ghetto kids, being a good person, and turning his life around if nothing he could possibly do would earn his forgiveness? Why not just execute him because there's nothing he could do to make up for what he did?

[–]kars4kidz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'd appreciate an actual answer rather than just the typical defensive passive aggressive crap I've got from other people on here.

You're a fucking saint.

I'll answer you in a little. I'm in a lecture, now.

[–]Jdodds1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Never claimed to be a saint, btw that's exactly the kind of response I specifically requested you not give me, hope your lecture isn't about forgiveness, meekness, love, kindness or charity, cause if it is hopefully none of your students find this thread on reddit lol

[–]joejank 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He came from a place where it was socially acceptable. I'm from south jersey and lived down in Hampton roads. Underground dog fighting communities are everywhere. When you grow up around stuff like that it creates a gray area between right and wrong.

It's similar to the weed culture. It's been illegal everywhere until recently, yet how many among us can say they've never smoked it? Dog fighting is more extreme, but it's the same concept. Somewhere right now some grandma believes if you've ever smoked a blunt your the most vile piece of shit on the planet.

Regardless, he took his punishment like a man, admitted his wrong, and moved on to live a better life. Nobody can say since he got picked up by Philly he hasn't been a changed man.

And enjoy your down votes.

[–]theprez98 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never smoked

[–]p3n1x -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as they entertain you, everything is OK from a "football perspective" , eh?