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[–]Stephca 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The blue and turquoise guys in TheZoePost - I know you censored their names because they were with Zoe when you two were on a break, but what I'm wondering is if they were in any position to elevate her reputation professionally?

Thanks.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sort of. One was in a position that she could likely use him as a springboard, another was just very talented.

[–]RonPaulsErectCock 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does she have a fetish for game developers or something? I mean, surely it's not normal to exclusively sleep with people from one profession unless you're part of a very insular industry like the services or something.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's enough of a thing that some people were going to write an article about the difference between dating within or out of the industry. But yeah, game devs do each other a lot. Not a secret.

[–]SilkTouchm 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (20子コメント)

What's your current opinion about her? do you have any hard feelings toward her?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Mostly I just don't want her to hurt other people anymore. Last night I had a nightmare that we got back together though. It was not a good time. But I also had a dream that I got a kitten. So that was good.

[–]CrimsonSpider 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (11子コメント)

You should get a Kitten.

[–]Walter_Candles 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Don't listen to him. you been having nightmares, you getting a kitten is a nightmare.

get a dog. a nice German Shepard puppy will make you happy

[–]CrimsonSpider 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'll have you a nightmare.

[–]finder787 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you don't get a dog.

[–]TheCodexx 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stay strong. I think anyone who gets cheated on has those nightmares.

[–]blackmossess 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (40子コメント)

EXPLAIN THE PEPSI THING

[–]DrudgeShaman 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (39子コメント)

THIS: Could Pepsi take legal action against her for deliberately sabotaging a game jam they sponsored?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (26子コメント)

I don't know the details of the contract. But I'm sure Pepsi would have pursued legal action if they deemed it in their best interest. I can't imagine any reason why it would take them this long to.

It is kind of disappointing that she decided to ruin a 200k - 400k dollar production because she thought it would be bad for her image though. That's kinda screwed up. Like, I don't think her image is worth 200k - 400k dollars of other people's money.

Edit: not 100mil for the production. Confused it for this thing Zoe wrote.

they're like begging us to stay and we're like NOPE GO FUCK YOURSELVESwe find out the other 4 days we'd be shooting is basically more of this right, not even actually working on games just stupid shit challengesso we have these trailers and and I was like "yo I have beer in mine do you guys just wanna drink and hang out"and they kept trying to get me to be cool with jamming and I'm like "dude I've been a teacher. This is not what I want to show KIDS that indie is like. fuck this mountain dew bro culture shit I can't sign off on it"so we ended up playing games and drinking that night in the trailerwe went and invited the production assistants to hangthey came out and drank with usthe next day they tried to bargain more and shit but we were still like NOPE but settled on agreeing to give them interviews about how they fucked upthey trotted down like every single higher up hey had to try and convince usand we found out that this was the most ambitious and expensive thing they'd ever tried to produce. 400k down the hole. AND!! this happened right after disney put an offer to buy them on the table for about a billion dollars. 500 mill up front and 450 mill if they hit certain deadlinesso we destroyed their biggest thing right as this hit the table

[–]urchin13 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (9子コメント)

every time game_jam comes up i get sick to my stomach, but if anyone cares, the failed mountain dew game_jam was my project while i worked at maker / polaris. the budget was around $200k for the physical production, and it was not Zoe Quinn's fault nor Jontron's fault that the whole production collapsed. in hindsight the project was largely doomed during the early stages, and it is a painful story for me to tell as a large part of its failure is my fault. the short version: game_jam's failure was largely due to my inability to stand up to the people above me and tell them we should kill this project because it was not going to be a good show. i didn't have the stones to tell them that game development should not be "the real housewives of beverly hills." and i didn't have the stones to tell the developers (who were already a bit suspicious) about the grossness behind this project because i egotistically thought i could appease the corporate side, which was clamoring for a drama filled reality show, by making compromises to my vision, and at the same time create something that genuinely gave the audience insight into the process of making a game and celebrated game development. in any case, i failed on all counts and i feel horrible about it. i no longer work at maker. my position was eliminated in june, and even though no one involved said anything at all to me about game_jam since we shut it down, i imagine it had something to do with my being let go. Jared Rosen's version is not inaccurate, but there are large problematic portions of game_jam he wasn't present for that occurred long before any developers or youtubers had signed on to the project. i consider game_jam to be my largest failing as a director. it wasn't 100 million dollars, but it was the biggest project i had attempted and i am ashamed that i let it become something i didn't want it to become. one of the developers involved, after it was all over he asked me, "if this wasn't what you wanted, how did this happen?" and my only response was that you make tiny compromises along the way, first, it goes from being a documentary to a competition show, because they tell you "nerds on their laptops are not very interesting." and then they want to add prizes, because people won't fight if you don't raise the stakes, nevermind that no one cares about the prizes, and then the people putting the money up for the prizes, well, they want to have their logo on everything and they want you to drink their product on camera, even though i have told everyone who was joining this project (being paid less than minimum wage) that no one was going to drink mountain dew on camera if they didn't want to. and then the story producers and corporate side say there isn't enough drama, and reality shows need drama so go stir things up. i stand there like an idiot while Matti Lesham and the production team (who was from the reality and commercial world) try to stir things up behind my back and i foolishly go around trying to patch things back together instead of doing what any good director would do and figure out where the problem is and take charge of the set. there were plenty of other failings and fires in many departments, and the unpleasant details could fill several pages but i'll stop here because i am incredibly embarrassed by this project and it sickens me to replay all of my missteps. however, i will say that it wasn't Zoe Quinn's plan to bring down game_jam nor was it her fault, the truth is that it failed because i thought i was clever enough and strong enough, and i wasn't. -aaron the director of game_jam, former director at polaris and maker studios

[–]MasterMMM 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can we get any proof here? You're a burner account with 3 posts.

Who says you're not just some PR spin doctor?

[–]Allin4814 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. OP's post is sketchy.

[–]felheipe 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Funny enough her image is pretty damaged now.

[–]Fellero 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Let's see at PAX.

I'm under the impression she still got a lot of mindless supporters out there.

[–]Bev-Raging 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Remember, don't be a dick about it people.

Be subtle. Wear 5 guys apparel like a shirt or hat. If someone tries to call you out on it like they wanna fite u IRL just say you like the restaurant chain.

If you don't have 5 guys apparel wear yellow. For Yellow Journalism (wiki it). People who have heard of this thing or are even remotely related to it (every game dev, every journalist) will know why you're wearing yellow or 5 guys apparel.

Keep it classy.

[–]Tai_Le_Ree 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And tons of protesters.

[–]lurker093287h 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are there actually going to be protesters? I find this hard to believe.

[–]Tai_Le_Ree 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The protesters is why there was doubt she'd be at pax.

[–]lie4karma 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Her patron account got a huge increase. SHe was under 600$ a month prior to this and now she is getting $2300 in donations... per month.

[–]bacteriadude 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (9子コメント)

deliberately sabotaging a game jam

Has evidence of this surfaced? Last I knew, it was speculative

[–]DrudgeShaman 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I can't post it here, but Facebook logs in which she openly admitted to it were leaked, and the details match up to her Tumblr post about it. It has been confirmed without a doubt.

[–]daicon 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Does Joshua Bogg's wife know about what went on, or has he been able to successfully dodge the attention on a personal level?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know if she's found out yet. Hopefully one of her friends heard about this ruckus and told her.

[–]congratsyougotsbed 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

She only needs to google "Joshua Boggs"

[–]a0i 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Three questions (because I'm greedy):

  • Do you consider yourself an SJW?

  • How has all this changed your views of SJW beliefs and the people who espouse them?

  • Do you feel more pessimistic, or optimistic about your ideals now?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (22子コメント)

  • No, but I am sympathetic to the SJ cause. It's just, I'm white and male and am not actively affected enough by the issues SJ is concerned with that I have sufficient motivation to be active about it. But I will let people know when I think they're being shitty, knowingly or not.
  • It hasn't changed my views. But it has allowed me to note that both sides are prone to thoughtless vitriol. The difference between SJ circles and say, 4Chan though, is that 4Chan will find amusing ways to call me a beta cuck, whereas SRS will give me a careful nuanced analysis of the greater social context in which I am a beta cuck. Still, neither scene is a collective. And I've gotten a lot of harassment and a lot of support from both sides.
  • Neither. Nothing about the response on either side has been surprising.

[–]Zideburnz 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thanks for doing this AMA. I'm sorry that it makes fun of your misfortune, but that cuck tales image is the funniest thing I've seen so far come out of this mess.

[–]ChromeGhost 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's bad, but I couldn't help laughing lol

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Neither could I.

[–]ChromeGhost 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You still have a sense of humor despite all that happened. You seem like an alright guy. Next time try and be cautious about screening future relationship prospects. Also hit the gym to take your mind off it. Were they're any warning signs(red flags) earlier in the relationship that Zoe Quinn. Oils be a lying cheating type of person.

[–]live_free 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (14子コメント)

SRS will give me a careful nuanced analysis

SRS...careful nuanced analysis

SRS...nuanced analysis

SRS...analysis

analysis

lulwat

[–]TheCodexx 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It doesn't surprise me that anyone thinks SRS could write an analysis of something.

But there's a difference between writing about a situation, and giving it a nuanced analysis, version just coming up with reasons why stuff is bad. One day SRS will tell you why something is sexist, and the next day condemn anyone who doesn't praise the same thing as being sexist. When you're allowed to change the context of the discussion, you can tie anything to literally anything else. Doesn't mean they're actually correlated, let alone that one thing causes another.

Most of the people on SRS aren't well equipped to discuss human social dynamics.

[–]RonPaulsErectCock 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean "WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR CIS WHITE MALEZ!?!?!?" isn't a nuanced analysis?

[–]live_free 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Listen. You just can't, being a white cisgendered male have any input on women's issues. Because as a white cis male you have a specific viewpoint that isn't universally applicable to other demographics. Let us just ignore the problems associated with the universality of applicable ethical, moral, and legal standards that are fundamental to the rise of civilization. Furthermore lets ignore the problem with the power equation; that equation being prejudice+power=racism or sexism. Because who really cares if we're just shielding our own prejudices to scrutiny through decrying the input of others as sexist, ableist, or racism (insert other words here ad nosium). Furthermore lets ignore that any one person is power doesn't represent, speak for, or advocate for positions that may, will, or can benefit the specific demographics of said individual. Because we all know that if you're in a position of power, you represent the demographics of just that position. That is why we have white cis male allies -- oh wait -- that doesn't make sense. None of this makes sense -- uh, logical congruency, systems...failing...brain...off...

Uh...nevermind...

MUH FEELS

/facepalm

These people are the intellectual equivalent of mentally retarded sheep ready for herding.

[–]a0i 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. If I might ask a follow up question (in three parts):

  • Do you feel that Zoe betrayed the SJ beliefs she espouses?

  • What should people with the views she evokes do to police someone being hypocritical?

  • Is loyalty to each other more important than practicing what we preach?

[–]thisuserisnotreal 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I met Zoe about 2 1/2 years ago. I had a friend who wanted to date her, and he wanted my opinion of her. After spending some time getting to know her, she seemed really cool. She had big ideas and was extremely passionate. She even mirrored my opinions. You need to know that she's a chameleon. She's charming and can adapt to any environment. It's easy to trust her. This is all relevant to make you understand why people stand up for her. She makes everything she says seem genuine.

After I told my friend that she was cool and dateable and they started dating, things changed. Suddenly, she was using details from my life story, things that explain why I am who I am, in stories she was telling me. It was then I started to doubt the validity of other things she said (none of which I will share because that is not my place). As I started piecing together stories she told me over the time I knew her, things started not adding up. There were inconsistencies, and I started casually asking her about things when they didn't make sense with the narrative she had previously given.

This is when she started arguing the most minor things with me, which I assume was to try to discredit the questions I was asking. It also became obvious that she was trying to separate my friend from us (There were more people involved than just me, but I'm one of the only ones willing to risk this and deal with the fallout.) because she'd drag him into the arguments. Who's not going to side with their new SO?

One day, I received an email asking what my problem with Zoe was. When I described the things she did, such as stealing bits of my identity (which I believe I just called lying and didn't get into details) and creating discord between us, my friend didn't see things my way. I even pointed out then that she is the type of feminist who uses feminism to get ahead and for hate. Instead of reading the words I used and the points I made, the response I received was only that I hate her because she's a feminist. (FYI, I'm a feminist who knows that men are our allies and we need to work together.)

I recognized the lying and manipulation pretty quickly (maybe 6-8 weeks in), so I don't have a more exciting or compelling story. Ever since then, I've had to sit silently and watch her be lauded for her strong principles and social activism. Anyone I told about her behavior, even if she had screwed them in some way, excused it mostly out of fear of losing a contact or a friend who happened to be friends with her.

I don't care about her being punished or losing her status as a dev. It's not about that for me. It's about recognizing a hurtful person and that person learning and stopping it. I don't want people to harass her. I don't want people to harass her friends. I just want all the abusive behavior (from all parties) to end.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (6子コメント)

User confirmed. She knew Zoe. And I have a few things I want to comment on here:

Suddenly, she was using details from my life story, things that explain why I am who I am, in stories she was telling me.

This thing here. Zoe would do this exactly. Either mirror sentiments I'd expressed "I'm worried I care more about you than you care about me" [in the green logs.] Or if I speculated as to whether I did something wrong, she would play that up and make it the thing that I definitely did wrong, to use as ammo when required.

I recognized the lying and manipulation pretty quickly (maybe 6-8 weeks in), so I don't have a more exciting or compelling story. Ever since then, I've had to sit silently and watch her be lauded for her strong principles and social activism. Anyone I told about her behavior, even if she had screwed them in some way, excused it mostly out of fear of losing a contact or a friend who happened to be friends with her.

User has apologized for not warning me earlier. I accepted apology because user did not know I existed. User is cool peeps.

Anyway, hope /r/Drama likes the surprise guest.

[–]crazyex 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Please give this a read

ZQ sounds like a typical Narcissistic Personality Disorder girlfriend, especially with the gaslighting

[–]lilTyrion 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Dan Carlin of Hardcore History recently elaborated on riot mentality in that it's not about the individual incident that sets off a group, but that it's the built up resentment of that group that powder kegs. Was something like this inevitably? Are you contemporary video games' Rodney King?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (10子コメント)

To quote from my blog post summarizing the situation:

The reason this exploded is that the entire industry has secretly been more combustible than Phil Fish’s twitter account. It’s not just that something was wrong. It’s that EVERYTHING IS WRONG.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Edit [1:45AM EST]: Incoming -- you dramanauts may be in for a treat soon! 4Channers probably won't care as much.

Edit: [3:02AM EST]: Landed

[–]TheCodexx 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Like the other guy said, do you have any more plans to expose gaming secrets that you're privvy to? You talked in a blog post about secret groups and how the Social Justice crowd forms cliques and tries to enforce their beliefs by withholding support, but you make it seem like they're opposing or sharing territory with other groups. But most gamers don't know anything about any groups, and information isn't really out there.

But you hit the nail on the head: people have been upset about the way gaming media has worked for years, especially the SJ aspects. This is just an excuse to discuss it while everyone is heated.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

but you make it seem like they're opposing or sharing territory with other groups. But most gamers don't know anything about any groups, and information isn't really out there.

It's not really supporting or opposing territory. It's just any time you have groups of people some of them aren't going to like each other, and people tend to sort of choose their loyalties, but sort of not. I'm going based on comments Zoe would make like "oh her crowd really doesn't like me, because apparently I'm not queer enough" or whatever. There aren't really clear identifications or labels from what I can tell.

Most gamers don't know anything about the groups because they aren't really distinct groups. They're just sort of "I don't like him, and he's friends with her, so I don't like her, but I'm more receptive to her than him. . . " or "he's only friends with a bunch of people who don't like me so I don't like him . . ." again, kind of like the high school thing, except it means people are less willing to work with each other. Throw journalists into the mix, and journalists won't like people their dev friends don't like either.

Except for the cases where people actually make invite only forums -- in those cases, you either are or are not a member. But I only know of two, and I don't know what they're called. Because I don't know what they're called, they might even be the same one, which I just heard about from two different people.

[–]TheCodexx 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

While I'm okay with artists collaborating, I just find it really unhealthy the way the groups are forming. It bothers me that people in the games industry will choose to like someone less because "they're not queer enough". Considering gaming at large doesn't really have any issues with gender or sexuality, I find it odd that the crowd screaming loudest about those issues are the ones bringing them to the table to begin with.

Thanks for the response, and for staying in this thread for hours answering our questions. I hope we get a chance to talk later, maybe after the Zoe mess is over. And again, if you need anyone to talk to, I've been through a similar situation if you need support.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"they're not queer enough".

Disclaimer: do not trust any quotes from Zoe about anything that likely has more believable reasons. When she says something like "her group doesn't like me because I'm not queer enough" it probably means "her group doesn't like me because I fucked her girlfriend over."

[–]ChickenOverlord 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (14子コメント)

You argued that Depression Quest's co-creator received no harassment because he was male. What do you think of the possibility that no one harassed him because no "journalism" websites covering the game ever even mentioned him? All the articles I ever read about DQ never mentioned the co-creator, and I didn't even know he existed until you wrote about him.

Second question: You claim that SJ's are needed in order to keep the industry from reverting to an "old buys club." As far as I can tell, proportions of various minorities in gaming are pretty similar to their proportions in engineering and other STEM disciplines. Would you be willing to concede the possibility that the lack of women/minorities in the industry is not due so much to discrimination as it is to a lack of skill (for whatever reason) and/or interest?

[–]WoL-MintFrog 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

After hearing there was a co-creator, I was curious why the sites covering the 'game' chose to ignore him and highlight Zoe. Perhaps it was decided that the narrative of the poor persecuted female dev wasn't helped if there was a male co-creator.

It's not that the mean game community chose only to focus on Zoe. It was that the game community never heard of anyone but Zoe, because that was the brand they were pushing. Doesn't that underline just how much of a hand the gaming sites had in creating her professional victimhood product?

[–]Higev 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There was a co-creator?

Has he said anything about this mess?

[–]Sairane 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There were two actually,

co-created with Patrick Lindsey and Isaac Schankler source

Haven't heard of comments from either on this. Find it strange that if you look back to when it was originally released you can see their names but as time goes by its just her. Whats up with that?

[–]ninjaofpatience 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

  1. You mention in your blog post that there were several discussions you hoped to see happen that haven't. What are those conversation?

  2. We've seen people who talked about the drama, even in a distant way, brutally attacked in social media (tb). What has it been like being in the center of this shitstorm?

  3. Other recent drama on here has pointed out how painful it can be to suddenly be ostracized from your circle of friends. How bad was the blow back from your falling out with the indie dev scene?

  4. The rumors going around say that ZQ faked the wizardchan drama. Where you still involved with her when all that went down, and do you have any insight into what, if any, harassment she received from that board?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

  1. The extent to which hypocrisy among proclaimed representatives of any given movement should be tolerated.
  2. As the eye of the shit storm, I feel I am completing the metaphor by remaining calm. But for the most part, Zoe and I seem to be the only people who have any idea what's actually going on. With Zoe doing her best to keep it that way.
  3. Wasn't too tied in with them. One of Zoe's friends who I liked added me on facebook the day after I dumped her. Sent me a beta build of his game. I said I'd test it for him and let him know if I found any bugs, but I haven't had the gall to message him after publishing.
  4. It was near the beginning of our relationship. And all I know for certain is that she changed her phone number around that time.

[–]elavers 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Zoe and I seem to be the only people who have any idea what's actually going on. With Zoe doing her best to keep it that way.

Then why not let every one know what's actually going on right now while you have Reddit's attention?

[–]BipolarBear0Cooler than a polar bear's toenails 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is Zoe more of a dive bar type of girl or a high-class restaurant type of girl? Also, does she order the most expensive thing on the menu?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Dive bar. And depends on who's paying.

[–]SpiritualSuccessors 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why do you think the contents of this image haven't received any real attention? http://i.imgur.com/wIoS8Wf.png DDOSing, harassment and smear campaigning ahoy.

It seems as if she's attempting to rewrite history with the recent tweet shown in the corners too. People deserve to know she's the sort of people who laughs about destroying charities.

Also, you were with her when she was doing this to the FYC. You had to have seen this assault on them. What did you think of it at the time?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you think the contents of this image haven't received any real attention? http://i.imgur.com/wIoS8Wf.png

Because there are like a million images going around everywhere as people find a ton of shit -- some of which is true, some of which is tenuous. Low signal to noise ratio. Try to get people to stop posting things that everyone isn't really really certain about. And that should improve.

It seems as if she's attempting to rewrite history with the recent tweet shown in the corners too. People deserve to know she's the sort of people who laughs about destroying charities.

Yeah, people should see it if they have doubts, because this is one of the more credible images out there. But I don't think it's going to make much of a difference. Maybe talk to TFYC about setting up a Quinnspiracy page to make fun of misinformation Zoe's thrown around. I dunno how much this sort of stuff will help otherwise. People have already settled into camps. You can probably bring it up again when she does a kickstarter if you really want people to not support her, so long as you don't also bring harassment along with you. That's precisely how you get everyone to not listen to you.

Also, you were with her when she was doing this to the FYC. You had to have seen this assault on them. What did you think of it at the time?

I know very well that she purposely raised her twitter army against them. She specifically told me that was her intent. But I was under the impression that she had actually bothered to read the terms.

[–]trudatness [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Sounds to me she like it was "if you want to support female devs - give to my Patreon" followed by an epic tantrum.

[–]QuinceDaPrince 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Have you ever cheated in any of your former relationships?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No. But there have been situations where people have tried to cheat on their boyfriends with me, which I probably should have handled better.

[–]CrimsonSpider 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For your sake at least, you could have. It went fine from his side though. He didn't have to deal with a cheating bitch for long.

[–]atomic_cannon 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

i get the feeling that she has so much power due to possible blackmail from fucking a lot of people in the gaming industry.

possible?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Since when is sex equivalent to blackmail?

Devs fuck each other all of the time. It's no secret.

What is a secret is that sometimes devs fuck people in the IGF panel. That's what Zoe told me, anyway.

[–]DurkaDerper 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it common for them to be fucking the press? Or is Zoe's case unique?

[–]chupacabrazier 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (12子コメント)

my question comes with a bit of a backstory.

I used to work with ZQ's PR Rep ( I hesitate to use her name... because... at this point I don't know if that will somehow be 'doxxing' or worth censoring ) . Back when I worked with her (her rep), she absolutely despised women. She ACTUALLY called herself a misogynist! She bullied me at work, and made me cry several times because she didn't like the fact that I'm a normal chick that just happens to LOVE gaming. I could give you insane stories, but I'm already sidetracking. Let's just sum it up by saying her rep did a lot of lying and manipulating and women-hating. She has obviously reformed and gone in the extreme opposite spirit of her past ways.

sorry for that HUGE preamble. My question:

With all the lying and manipulation, do you think you would ever date a developer or gamer again? As a female gamer, I'm always reluctant to the tell person I'm dating that I'm a big gaming fan because of all the SJW baggage stereotypes that come with it. And to clarify, I am certainly not anti-SJW, I just know a damned hypocrite and liar when I see one.

[–]ConcordApes 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a female gamer, I'm always reluctant to the tell person I'm dating that I'm a big gaming fan because of all the SJW baggage stereotypes that come with it.

Don't be silly. Just because you are a female gamer is not going to make everyone think that you are also a SJWer. The ones that are pulling this schtick are high profile, and near as we can tell not really all that into gaming.

Trust what your partner has learned about you through your shared experiences to know that you are a good person and not some kind of nut job.

[–]Das_Experiment 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do you know anything about this site https://www.gameilluminati.com/ ?

I'm also very interested in the cronyism and it's so fucked up that nobody dares speak out about it.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I know there are a few secret invite only forums for succesful indie devs, and members vote on which members they let in. Zoe complained that the only reason she wasn't invited to one was because her ex was on it. I don't know that any have been self aware enough about the issue or the way it might be perceived to make illuminati jokes since 2001.

But I was 11 back then, so I don't know.

I did a whois on the domain and it has in fact been registered since 2001 though.

[–]MightyMorph 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hi , first thanks for taking the time to do an AMA.

I just wanted to know a few things if you dont mind talking about them.

  1. Had Zoe ever talked about her Game Jam before, or while you were going out? Or was the idea created after her experience with the game jam from TFYC. What is your thoughts about her game jam if I may ask.

  2. Do you feel her claims of harassment (before the explosion of the internet) were valid? Especially considering how she herself decides to communicate with certain individuals she disagrees with.

  3. How do you feel that certain indiviudals claim that this is the action of a vindictive ex?

  4. If you had a chance to go back before posting the blog post, would you do it again?

Thank you if you decide to answer these, and i think what you had gone through is something that no person should have to experience. And its disgusting how individuals who call themselves journalists misconstrue the points being made into these hyperbolic issues rather than the facts being presented.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

  1. I think the idea was conceived just prior to Game Jam; when she was reading the contract terms.
  2. Are you asking if I think she deserved the harassment because she harasses other people? I think that's not entirely proportionate. Like, one person harassing another is not quite the same as a group of people harassing one person. But it can depend. I don't know though, I've been getting some pretty choice slices of harassment and they haven't really bothered me that much. But then again, I was in a relationship with Zoe for like 7 months -- so most things since then have seemed like a walk in the park.
  3. I feel like people either tend to interpret things in the context of feelings they've had the most experience with, or say things with certain goals in mind.
  4. Yes.

[–]nybbas 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A lot of people (myself included) have been saying her initial harassment from wizardchan and the like was manufactured/lied about. I feel like there is enough evidence pointing towards this. Do you think she made the harassment up, or if she didn't make it up entirely, blew it out of proportion?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think she doesn't have that much evidence to know it was WizardChan. I haven't seen any at least. But she did change her number around that time.

But this is one of those things where you're trying to prove something didn't happen. And an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[–]Phokus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hi Eron,

Can you give us more juicy examples about how Zoe silences/sabotages people (like TFYC) she doesn't like?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Twitter army and trash talking to friends are the primary tools.

[–]Phokus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, i got that, was just wondering if she has silenced/sabotaged other people/groups that you know of.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's kind of complicated.

Like, ostracizing devs happens by trash talking them to other devs in "private" conversation. Pretty much exactly like high school.

She does things publicly when she can come out looking like a hero for it. So, feel free to look into her twitter history, I guess.

[–]carronwam 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is she truly depressed and could this be the root of all this drama?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No. She's been pretty high on life for a while.

[–]ArchangelleAriell 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

gasp Could m'lady be feigning depression for attention and sympathy?

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_BIRDS 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Say you went back in time to before you released your first blog post on the issue. Is there anything you would have done differently?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Used one of the boring drafts instead of the easy to read through drafts, and posted it on SRSgaming. In retrospect that probably would have lead to a healthier discussion, and if it failed I could have just fallen back on what I ultimately ended up doing -- which was posting the easy to read through versions on Something Awful and Penny Arcade.

Btw, something awful banned me within an hour of making that thread. And deleted the thread. But NOW they have a 900 post thread discussing the thread which they deleted and banned me for.

So like, I think they should totally unban me.

[–]Theglient 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Really? It seems like you got quite a bit of hate from SRSgaming. I'm really surprised you got as much support from social justice extremists as you did, though it feels like many of them are pretty much equivalent to redpillers in hating you for being 'beta' or whatever.

Well my real question for you is how ostracized from various communities have you been for going public? Lose any friends over this?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not really. One of my friends is actually having a ton of fun following the drama.

I imagine I'd get a lot of dirty looks if I showed up at IndieCade though.

[–]Theglient 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to say that I've been enjoying going through your comment history where you respond to all the vitriol in a calm, reasonable and effective manner.

I'm definitely not an SJ fan but you seem like a good guy, and good looking to boot. You deserve ALOT better than Zoe Quinn.

[–]CrimsonSpider 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Contact mods or some Shit. Aren't people a bit butthurt by now, because of you getting banned?

[–]CotRA 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Zoe obviously has a lot of friends within the industry, and there is a lot of enabling going on for abuse. Do you think any of her industry friends will personally call her out about her abusive behavior, i.e. privately tell her that she was being abusive towards you?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They might try. She'll likely convince them she wasn't. She convinced me for quite a while, anyway.

[–]Exmond 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What do you think of the lack of coverage by the big gaming websites, and the heavy moderation of discussion on community sites like reddit and something awful

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not even remotely surprised about the gaming sites. Still trying to figure out what happened with reddit. I've seen the screenshots, and I've seen the admin announcements, and I still don't know what to believe. I wish some relevant mods would step forward.

[–]nanonan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Has anyone in any media approached you for clarification, comment or an interview?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

People pretending to be in media have.

[–]TheDarkCloud [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You mean Game journalists right?

[–]Mirtho 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you ever get talking to Lawfag?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh right. i should check my email.

[–]lupevixen 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm sorry if this is a weird question, but how "untouchable" do you think she really is? I've seen a lot of people speculate that people with an interest in the indie gaming community won't speak out against her because of various reasons (i.e. "feminism," who she knows in the industry, her influence, etc.). How much of this do you think is true?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's true.

You've seen it happen live on twitter, I've seen it happen privately in conversations. And it doesn't have to be as complicated as any political agenda. People need their friends to like them, or they lose the support network they rely on.

[–]MorganDerp 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hello. Wanted to thank you for going public with this and maintaining a cool facade throughout. Did Zoe ever intimate to you that she had a more active role in the streak of bad luck afflicting The Fine Young Capitalists or Matti Leshem's game jam?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (6子コメント)

She openly told me she was planning to bring her twitter army down on TFYC. And she gave an impassioned speech to rally the troops against Game Jam.

[–]MorganDerp 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also, do you have any screenshots of her admitting it to you or anyone else?

[–]antifeministfeminist 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

One of the most frustrating things for me is the issues are not being addressed. Instead, she and her supporters are turning everything into "YOU ARE ATTACKING A WOMAN!" and shoving everything else under the rug. Is this actually something that can be resolved around these diversions?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes. Go focus on the journalism thing for a while. You don't even need to mention her name to address that issue. Come back to the Zoe thing after the vitriol dies down if you care about it. And shout down anyone who brings in vitriol.

But I don't know what your motivations for trying to bring Zoe down are. If you looked up to her, and want to start an honest discussion as to whether or not she is actually the voice SJ in games wants, then start that honest discussion. If you don't care that much, then go do things you care about.

[–]antifeministfeminist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're a rad guy. Thank you.

[–]carefuldave 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Nods respectfully at your taking the time to do an AMA.

You've mentioned that you're not a gamer per se, but that you play video games. How about listing a few you've enjoyed?

[–]LiterallyKesha 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Jertob 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Very top meme you have there Kesha.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (10子コメント)

  • Amnesia: The Dark Descent. Horror movies never get to me, and horror games are usually just grimier FPSs. But Amnesia had me and a couchfull of friends screaming in an attic.
  • Xonotic is an excellent open source FPS and I used to play it a lot.
  • I have yet to find an AI that can beat me more than 50% of the time at reversi.
  • I did actually like Depression Quest.
  • Nidhogg.
  • Psychonauts.
  • Fez
  • Braid
  • Manufactoria

[–]iSamurai 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (9子コメント)

listing Fez. so brave.

[–]creativeembassy 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Man. I loved Fez. And I can't stand Fish.

This is always happening. One of my favorite books growing up was Ender's Game. But OSC has some deplorable views. I liked some Metallica music when I was younger too. And then they went and fucked up Napster for everyone.

Love the creation, hate the creator.

[–]MechPlasma 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's an entire subreddit for people who feel the same way.

It's called /r/leagueoflegends.

[–]supergauntlet 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

you're allowed to like fez and still call phil fish an overly sensitive baby

[–]TiberiusDanger 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What information do you want to release that you haven't already done?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I finally bought a new pair of headphones.

[–]DrudgeShaman 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Unrelated to the drama, but do you think it's stupid how she calls herself a "cyborg" because she has a magnetic implant?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She calls herself a cyborg because of the NFC chip, actually.

I helped stab that into her.

And yeah, tbh I think it's kind of stupid. But it is technically correct.

[–]elavers 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

By that logic my cat is a cyborg as it has a microchip.

[–]Sommenambulist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are there any other excommunicated or resigned journos/indie devs we could reach out to for anonymous testimony? Asking for indiejuice.tv.

[–]AnonofAnons 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

In your previous IRC AMA with 4chan, you mentioned that Zoe Quinn had a

"Union of Friends" that was formed to fight for better representation in their/her contract in the failed Game Jam along with the bit concerning "the guy covering it up was a very close friend". Are you able to give us a yes/no answer to the following question(s) if any of those friends were journalists? If so could they have potentially assisted in any contributable way with Rebel Jam?

Any additional information concerning this would be appreciated, and of course, names would also be appreciated, but it is incredibly understandable if you do not desire to provide information of this sort.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"the guy covering it up was a very close friend".

That was supposed to be "the guy covering it."

If so could they have potentially assisted in any contributable way with Rebel Jam?

Uh, the only contributors I know of are youtube (providing the jam space) and anonymous funding from cards against humanity. There are almost certainly others, I just don't know who they are.

[–]arrozconplatano 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I didn't really follow this too much but supposedly she was abusive to you? Is that true? How was she abusive?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]mrniro2 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"he's been completely weaponized in order to serve misogynistic gamers' desires to sexually harass Quinn."

What do you think about the constant insistence on painting us as misogynists angry at Zoe Quinn for no reason besides having a pussy? Do you think there's a case for that?

[–]zahlman 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The current discussion on Qiros and Quinn completely erases any nuance. That completely erases abuse. It obliterates a healthy discourse on abuse in relationships. It forces the abuser to codify their experiences into a masculine gender norm.... No one is [talking about ZQ's actual abusive behaviour]

Qiros, as a man, is more likely to have people believe him.

Do they really not see a contradiction here? Like, how can it simultaneously be the case that people are "more likely to believe you", while also writing off the entire category your story belongs to as a thing their perception of gender roles doesn't consider possible?

Edit:

You cannot simply say that Qiros should not have called out Quinn, simply because Qiros is a cis man and Quinn is a woman.

It's telling to me that they'd point out you're cis, but don't do the same for her. To me that really speaks to how the concept of privilege is treated in these circles. Honestly I'm surprised they didn't also call you white.

[–]Land-O-Lurks 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Has Zoe been in touch with you much (or at all) since this exploded? Angry or civil or otherwise?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (10子コメント)

All communication has been indirect and passive aggressive.

She unfollowed me on tumblr.

The nerve.

[–]Walter_Candles 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Shes sour because you exposed her. tis not your fault man. She broken many hearts like Chloes. https://twitter.com/cvankeeken/status/501757094937509888

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I had been under the impression that the site she hosted her nudes on had been defunct for a while. I was just as surprised as you to see her boobs again.

[–]chickengobawk 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey man, doesn't this whole thing blow over near instantly if zoe just apologizes and it seems legit. People do make mistakes, and that's alright. My biggest problem with this whole drama is her and her friends doing everything they could to make this into a bigger deal then it ever needed to be.

Anyways good luck going forward with your life man!

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem with her apologies is that they tend to be bullshit. But yeah, I dunno.

[–]WoL-MintFrog 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If she apologized and it blew over, she wouldn't get the attention she craves...

[–]incisorcist 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

From your original wordpress post and subsequent comments on the issue, its backstory and your motivations for revealing this story, you seem to have had a few specific goals in mind in releasing the story. Nepotism in the games industry and gaming journalism for one, Zoe’s specific manipulative behavior and the detrimental effects it can have / has had on the industry (the “cliquish” behavior, etc), and also, according to you, primarily as a kind of personal warning to those who may engage in a personal or professional relationship with Zoe.

Honestly, though- had you never learned about the cheating, or had she never actually cheated at all, how comfortable would you have been in ignoring the nepotism, manipulation of the industry and its people, and its cliquish behavior as a whole?

I guess what I’m asking is this: do you feel that you are yourself being disingenuous to suggest that your principal motivation here was something other than a personal vendetta that perhaps is more easily rationalized in your now-altruistic approach? Warnings can be extremely vague, extremely specific (as yours was), or any shade of gray in between, and so, do you feel that you share at least some responsibility for the backlash and attacks against her, her friends, and her family in that you chose the most specific and detailed way possible to express that warning?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Zoe’s specific manipulative behavior and the detrimental effects it can have / has had on the industry

Primarily the "can have." I hadn't been exposed before meeting her, so I don't know to what it extent it "has had."

Honestly, though- had you never learned about the cheating, or had she never actually cheated at all, how comfortable would you have been in ignoring the nepotism, manipulation of the industry and its people, and its cliquish behavior as a whole?

I guess what I’m asking is this: do you feel that you are yourself being disingenuous to suggest that your principal motivation here was something other than a personal vendetta that perhaps is more easily rationalized in your now-altruistic approach?

Zoe was very good at convincing me that whatever she was doing was for the greater good. But we had a number of debates about what sort of things would or wouldn't address the nepotism problem.

It was only after I figured out the actual extent to which she was selfishly manipulative that I realized just how tenuous her points were.

But I think you might have overestimated my level of concern there. I don't care that much about the industry. I'm not in it. I just figured I'd take the opportunity to point out the problem. My main motivation was only to warn people about Zoe. And the people from her past who've contacted me since have only made it more apparent just how warranted the warning was. I really need to add a few more red lines to the logs.

Warnings can be extremely vague, extremely specific (as yours was), or any shade of gray in between, and so, do you feel that you share at least some responsibility for the backlash and attacks against her, her friends, and her family in that you chose the most specific and detailed way possible to express that warning?

The warning needed to be very specific, or else it would've been dismissed as the fabrications of a bitter-ex. The fact that it was specific and exceedingly well evidenced was what forced her to go the "Neither confirm nor deny" route. A vague accusation would have lead to the same amount of harassment from people with a grudge to bear, and almost zero belief from anyone without a grudge to bear. Because she is Zoe Quinn, and I am just an ex.

So in short, I feel partly responsible for the harassment -- but not as a result of the post's specificity.

[–]HornyApple 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Did you take an STD test yet?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Have not been feeling awfully sexual lately, so it's not really relevant. But intend to go into a clinic next week probably.

[–]TheCodexx 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to beat a dead horse, but I went through a similar period after I had a girlfriend cheat on me. I also started vomiting and lost my appetite, too. It can be really stressful.

If you need someone to talk to, hit me for some support. I've been there. It gets better.

[–]Walter_Candles 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Do you think that Zoe can still be trusted? How do you feel this whole ordeal? Did you think it will blow up the way it did?

and also what do you want to say to the people that are associated with Zoe or (Chelsea van vokenburgers)

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Do you think that Zoe can still be trusted?

She can be trusted to do whatever is in her best interest, and convince you it's in yours. And she can be trusted to convince you that it's your fault when she fucks you over.

How do you feel this whole ordeal?

I think the harassment isn't helping anyone. Even the people doing it are working against their own interests. But in any case Zoe has made a lot of money off of it, so hopefully that makes up for the emotional damage.

Otherwise some unexpected good came out of it (4Chan donated $25,000 to a group trying to get women into games!), and there's potential for a lot more good to come out of it if people organize themselves well.

I feel like my own primary goal has been accomplished. Which is to make people aware that there are things they should know about Zoe Quinn before putting anything on the line with her. And if they are aware that there are things, but choose not to read about them, then that's okay too, so long as they are choosing not to know.

Did you think it will blow up the way it did?

I didn't expect the nudes to still exist anywhere on the internet. And I didn't expect Polytron to get hacked. And I didn't expect 4Chan to raise $25,000 to support women in games. And I didn't expect people to get angry at TFYC for accepting 4Chans donations. And I hoped to avoid the harassment Zoe recieved, but knew it was inevitable the instant Something Awful deleted the thread. And I didn't expect to have it banned from the entire internet for a week before the internet finally gave up.

But other than that, yeah. Pretty much everything happened as expected.

and also what do you want to say to the people that are associated with Zoe

I know how much she makes you want to believe her. I know how terrible she'll make you feel if you don't. Just be careful. And if you don't believe her, don't let her know it unless you have nothing to lose. Always keep two pictures in your head. The one she's telling you, and the one that's more likely. And if you notice the two continue to diverge, then leave.

[–]jova33 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here's a question, did Zoe hoax getting hacked and doxxed when this shit first hit the fan? Because it sure does seem like it.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]jova33 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well we already know she was doxxed for real. The initial doxxing did not check out, so then people really did dox her.

So,

  • Fake dox. Zoe claims people are calling her dad and what not. The dox is confirmed fake, so how were people calling her dad?

  • Then she was doxxed for real. I didn't see any of her family members' info on her real dox.

[–]OctoBerry 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Howdy bro, asked you many question yesterday, but got one more.

As someone who has been part of the pro-feminist community many people are upset with. Can you explain why many of them feel they are victims in this situation and think they're fighting the 'good fight' again oppressive people? What is going on with the group that makes this mind set so ingrained?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When people mix their criticisms of an individual with sexist terms, the sexist parts are derogatory to all women. So, women would naturally feel attacked, because you are actually talking shit about them in general.

[–]QuinceDaPrince 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What was the craziest, most erratic thing Zoe ever did while you were together?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It would take a week to pick the craziest, and two weeks to list the most likely candidates.

[–]Juz16 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can't you just tell one?

[–]arroganceislaughable 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you think Nathan Grayson should be fired?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nah. He didn't violate company policy as far as I know. But I do think company policy should change such that that sort of thing in the future would get him fired.

I do think he's a total jerk for not so much as telling me to dump her.

[–]congratsyougotsbed 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When you're born as Nathan Grayson you gotta take what small victories you can get, though. Every day, he wakes up as Nathan Grayson. Just think about that.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shots fired!

[–]EdmundDenzel 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is her name really Chelsea Van Valkenburg?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How many times do I have to tell you guys you had the 19th century dutch vampire thing right before you start running?

[–]Discord_Dancing 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm curious about a timeline question:

So Zoe basically faked the raid against her intitially, (with wizard chan) so was that Drama your cue to release the information you did (the now dubbed,"five guys" drama), or were you going to release that information all along, and it just happened to be at that "perfect time" for maximum drama?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The Wizard Chan thing was a ton of months ago.

[–]Discord_Dancing 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow I had no idea, considering no one was reporting on it until a week ago.

Thank you for the info!

<3

[–]iSamurai 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's because Zoe is EXTREMELY good at coercing people and websites to censor things about her. She even got her hands into the reddit admins, and that is scary. She has immense power to control the media to spin it her way. There are only a few places to escape her control.

[–]Discord_Dancing 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because Zoe is EXTREMELY good at coercing people and websites to censor things about her.

That is true. But the thing with /r/drama is that if someone asks for something to be removed, we tend to view that thing as something that shouldnt be removed simply on the basis that someone wants it gone.

We are staunchly anti-censorship, and staunchly anti-deletion unless the specific content is literally against the rules of reddit. Which it usually isn't.

We are allowing alot of content right now on the basis that Zoe is a public figure and will continue to do so unless the admins yell at us, which they have yet to do so.

[–]Botzu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember reading that you were holding back on releasing some information in one of your posts. What was that about and you going to release it now?

[–]Montie16 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Hi.

I have 3 questions.

  1. Is her name Chelsea?
  2. Why did she completely change her internet persona in 2010 to be in gaming?
  3. Is Maya Felix Zoe's PR agent?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

To my knowledge Maya is just some girl she flirts with on twitter a lot.

[–]Ketomaa 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You didn't answer 1 and 2?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What a silly oversight.

[–]manthropologist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Have you played depression quest? Should i try it if I'm not that depressed?

Did she tell you why she changed her name?

How do you feel about the RFID chip in Zoe's hand?

[–]eulogy_for_an_ology[M] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Looks to be that you're shadowbanned, mate.

[–]Sususulio 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

64, Melee, Brawl, or Project M? Don't say Smash4 CUZ THAT SHIT AIN'T OUT YET.

[–]CuriousGuy0001 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know you've gotten a lot of criticism for making the zoepost. Many people seem to think your being a "vindictive asshole", but as someone who had a similar experience with a manipulative ex-girlfriend, I strongly believe you did the right thing. When I broke up with my awful ex, I tried to warn some mutual friends that she wasn't the person she pretended to be. They didn't believe me and my ex ended up really damaging their lives a few months later. I really respect you for trying to warn others about Zoe and I think it's a little sad how many people are trying to make you seem like the villain in all of this.

Now, my question may be a little much, so I'll understand if you don't want to answer. I'm someone who has connections to the gaming industry. I've also worked with some lesser known indie developers in my spare time. I know for a fact that some people were suspicious of Zoe long before your blog post. These people felt Zoe was getting an unusual amount of attention for Depression Quest. One of the people giving Zoe a lot of attention was Giantbomb's Patrick Klepek. Do you have any reason to believe that Zoe may have had an inappropriate relationship with him?

[–]blackAntlers 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you willing to acknowledge that social justice issues are being used as a weapon against people who've done nothing to harm anyone?

It seems like you've been reluctant to criticize the social justice angle of Zoe's actions, despite the fact that she couldn't have done most of what she's done without the leverage that SJW politics provides. She's been able to redirect people's positive intentions against targets who have merely strayed from the party line - effectively twisting it into a hateful moral-purity movement.

This is a big part of what people find interesting about this story. Sure, nepotism, favors, and a sex scandal will draw people in. But this would not have blown up if it weren't for her opportunistic use of feminism against innocent targets.

She, at the very least, overstated the level of abuse she received from wizardchan (prior to her media blitz about 'harrassment'). Then she profited from that overstatement by turning it into a presentation for conventions. And now she's hiding behind it, pretending to be a victim of misogyny, to great effect. The media has lapped up the lazy explanation for public outrage.

After all this, can't you at least see why people find the movement to be a cult-like, self-serving ideology for spoiled brats?

[–]sleepmakesghosts [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I know this is over but I have to tackle something. You keep defending SJ, but it's the culture and attitude of SJ that allows for shit like this to happen. ZQ is part and parcel of what I call the Toxic Wing of SJ. It's nothing but toxic bullying.

It's the fear of reprisal from this very group that you aren't being forthcoming in your real opinions of SJ. Why do you continue to defend it?

[–]whynottry123 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not here to criticise, but what is your best argument to convince non-believers of your story?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we're talking about people who haven't read thezoepost, then my best argument is thezoepost.

If we're talking about people who have read thezoepost, then I don't care too much. If they've seen the logs proving the story is true, and they've seen the video proving the logs aren't doctored, and they still choose not to believe; then that's their prerogative.

Though I guess I could make the argument that "I have provided all amount of evidence that could reasonably be expected, and all Zoe has done is tell everyone to stop talking about her because she's feeling really attacked right now and it's none of their business how much she intends to fuck them over."

But that's tongue in cheek. Again, if they choose not to believe, then that's their business.

[–]babyorgasms 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Is it true that she raped you?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, that would require her to either use physical force, or a threat or physical force.

But, by her own definition and standards and admission, she did have sex with me without my consent quite a few times.

[–]Theglient 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think people are getting off on the fact that her supporters would be fine calling that rape if it the sexes were reversed and it was happening to someone not in their clique. I doubt many actually do consider it rape.

[–]Bev-Raging 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because if Zoe was a dude and qrios was a chick this would be over with Zoe getting assblasted into oblivion.

But that's not the point.

1) She's a terrible human being

2) The nepotism and cronyism is real, and has been for a long time

3) Hypocrisy and general corrpution in the gaming press. Related to 2.

I agree with the ex that this is not a SJW issue

[–]Goatsac 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Cheating nullifies consent, and as we all know, no consent means rape.

[–]athiest_gamer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mentioned that many game devs are coming to you about Zoe, not wanting people to know it was them. Do you have any plans to reveal these situations (keeping them anonymous of course)?

[–]Tai_Le_Ree 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you go to 4chan for non PR related things? If so what's your favorite board?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mostly I go in when people drop me an ask on tumblr telling me to go in.

I didn't visit too much prior to this, but I had a friend who would send me the occasional link and I'd end up sinking time laughing at pointless shit.

[–]mobmonkey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you feel her not talking about it is helping or hurting her?

Or is someone pulling her strings like she did you?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think her strategy is locally optimal.

[–]I_LOVE_TO_EAT_SHIT 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is there any information you have that would completely blow this thing wide open or anything at all or expose more people that would deserve it? If so, why save it.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there any information you have that would completely blow this thing wide open or anything at all or expose more people that would deserve it? If so, why save it.

I don't yet have anything to "blow anything wide open."

I currently have enough that if it were released on its own, it would become completely useless, and make all follow up information seem useless. It's very much one of those all or nothing things.

[–]Goatsac 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Got a question,

Do you have a screenshot of her saying cheating nullifies consent?

You stated that as her view, but I'd love to see it in her words.

[–]mobmonkey 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

That is on his blogpost. He shows the facebook messenger chat logs. It's a bit of a read through and I don't recall exactly where it is but it's there.

[–]Goatsac 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You da xir.

So, it's buried somewhere in the zoepost?

[–]JUMBO_JOHNSON 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's on the website. Also, I believe it's not just cheating, but cheating without protection and without informing your partner. I would imagine the cheating part is actually largely irrelevant.

Personally I don't think it's a ridiculous viewpoint.

[–]DurkaDerper 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What do you think of Depression Quest?

[–]ferrhis 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If Zoe and friends deny your allegations, calling you a jilted ex, why doesn't she sue you for libel? Why has nobody brought that up?

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She doesn't deny my allegations. She just misrepresents my motivations.

[–]UnknownArchive 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you from San Francisco as well, and if so do you know where you can get good Chinese food?

[–]jerkmanj 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is an important question because SF yelp can't be trusted.

[–]LoganMcOwen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not a question, but I just want to commend you on being so composed and brave through this whole thing. I would've likely crumpled by now, but you're staying strong. Awesome.

Also, dat flair

[–]zahlman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aren't you worried that making a distinction between rape and "sex without informed consent" will lose you a ton of SJ cred?

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