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[–]RedEdMilliband -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (47子コメント)

Can I just ask what the Pakistani/Bangladeshi community bring to the table? I mean I see all the trouble with honour killings, rape, misogyny, incest, terrorism etc. but it seems like they don't even actually work, which was the main point of them being here in the first place right? So are we essentially paying to get f'd in the a by this group now? What can we do about it? They seem entirely unwilling to either admit or tackle any issues.

[This was bound to be a popular sentiment on this sub. If you look down the chain of comments written on this post you will notice that it's just people screaming racist. No one has pointed out any benefits provided by this community...]

[–]ChaBeezyCheshire 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This comment chain sort of backs up how event described in the article can happen. RedEd provides facts, stating something from a good source. Is then called a liar and a racist.

Yes, I wonder why the police ignored it.

[–]LegSpinner [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Let me, as an Indian, answer this:

The "community" as such doesn't have to bring shit to any table. There are tonnes of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis who are gainfully employed in this country and are contributing to it in various ways - from driving cabs and running curry houses to heading admin departments in universities and performing surgery (I picked one example of four different people I personally know).

I understand there is a discussion to be had on culture, on immigration, on identity and on discrimination, but may I ask what you bring to the table by the ethnicity / lineage / country of origin of millions of people?

[–]RedEdMilliband [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Well this is where we disagree. I think that when deciding immigration policy in the future, it's worth looking at the past. When every single community provides people who are gainfully employed, and many more of them per head of population, with none of the issues, maybe it would be wise to select them?

[–]BaBaFiCoS. Derbyshire 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (22子コメント)

I don't understand why someone's ethnicity should be the basis for our judgement of them.

There are plenty of people in this country of South Asian descent who work hard and contribute to this country. There are plenty of white people in this country to do little work and expect to be bailed out by the state.

A person's ethnicity does not dictate their lifestyle. It may influence, but that isn't reason to suddenly accuse entire ethnicities of certain behavioural traits or social values.

[–]RedEdMilliband 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Sorry but when half the men and three quarters of the women in the Muslim community don't work, it's fair to call them out on it. Especially when they create billions and billions of pounds worth of social issues on top of their welfare bills. I also think it would be fair to say we don't want anymore to come here until they sort things out.

[–]ThyrotoxicNot actually Welsh 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So are you calling out Asian people or Muslims now? Indian men are far more likely to get professional jobs than white people, we should stop letting white people into the country.

Also you realise the telegraoh article you quote is talking about discrimination as the main reason Muslim men cannot find work, if you bothered to read the article or even the linked report you'd realise that.

[–]RedEdMilliband 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh yeah discrimination when all other minorities, including indians who look exactly the same,do so much better at finding work. Must be dat der discrimination... When almost all of the Muslims in this country are from the Pakistani and Bangladeshi community, there's bound to be quite a lot of overlap. Although i'm willing to bet that a substantial number of the Muslims who do work are probably Indian.

[–]I_am_the_bombUnited Kingdom 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sources? Provide sources for all those points or that means nothing

[–]metalbox69Greater London [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Sorry but when half the men and three quarters of the women in the Muslim community don't work,

That is indeed a very high figure, but I wonder if that's indicative of economic circumstances, e.g. northern working class, rather than being muslim per se.

I also think it would be fair to say we don't want anymore to come here until they sort things out.

I think current immigration laws make non-EU unskilled immigration unlikely (correct me if I'm wrong).

[–]BaBaFiCoS. Derbyshire -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Provide me (unbias) sources for those figures.

[–]RedEdMilliband 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8054403/Britains-coping-classes-at-breaking-point.html

Funnily enough the guardian doesn't report on this sort of thing.

[–]TetzelGreater Manchester 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is there any way to read the actual report? I can't find it when googling keywords as most things just link back to that article itself. I'd be interested in reading the study itself. Apologies if I'm just blind and it links it in the article, but I can't seem to find it.

[–]RedEdMilliband -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I looked for it too, but I can't find out what it's called to actually get at it either :S

[–]TetzelGreater Manchester 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah it's a bit weird, you'd think that a 700 page report, the first of its kind, would at least be named by bloody title.

Wait! Found it:

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/about-us/our-work/key-projects/how-fair-is-britain

[–]RedEdMilliband 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

thanks for this!

[–]BaBaFiCoS. Derbyshire -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Muslim women, whilst not working, are primarily caregivers and homemakers. I doubt these women are single mothers, so that suggests that they are stay at home mothers whilst their partners work. Hardly a burden on the system.

As for only 47% of Muslim men being employed, this figure really does surprise me.

But the point still stands that we cannot begin to generalise and discriminate against entire ethnicities. Conversely, 53% of Muslims were. They contribute to the national economy.

[–]RedEdMilliband 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But this essentially means that overall 2/3 of Muslims don't work. There is no way they contribute enough to the national economy to even cover the ones who don't work. That's before picking up the tab for the extra burden on the NHS from genetic defects among their children, or the fact that almost all of MI5s funding is spent trying to counter terrorism from that community.

[–]coolnowLancashire 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're taking all our jobs and not working at the same time! Scroungers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[–]shortpaleugly [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Or working undocumented whilst claiming state benefits?

[–]tittybangbang123Manchester [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Source?

[–]ta9876543201 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are plenty of people in this country of South Asian descent who work hard and contribute to this country.

Yeah, lump in those Indian, Sikhs and Hindus with the Muslims.

South Asian is just a geographical term. It has no meaning in the sociological context.

[–]Major_Reacher 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I used to work with many Pakistani and Bangladeshi people. Who says they don't work? Where you getting that from?

Those people are the backbone of IT departments all over the UK.

[–]ta9876543201 [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Really? I have been working on major IT projects in the UK since 2002, including in large investment banks with thousands upon thousands of IT workers. A large majority of those, over 2/3rds are Indian. The next biggest group is Eastern Europeans and Russians,, followed by white British and British of Indian origin. You do see the odd Pakistani or Bangladeshi, but not too many.

[–]Major_Reacher [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

There are lots of Indians too. I agree. However, I've worked with loads of Pakistani and Bangladeshi too. Might be because I've primarily worked in the public sector for the last 10 years. But it's just anecdotal so it doesn't really mean shit. Someone should set up a poll on Stackoverflow or something.

Edit: I did a google for "IT workers by ethnicity" and found nothing in the top 5 results so I guess the data doesn't exist.

[–]RedEdMilliband 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Half of Muslim men and three quarters of Muslim women are unemployed.

[–]RicardoWanderlustGreater Manchester -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

'tis to do with Empire.

If it wasn't for the East India Trading Company and all their explorative colonial ways... we wouldn't be in all this globalised and civilised mess /s

[–]RedEdMilliband -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't really think we deserve to be collectively punished for the crimes of our ancestors. Might be an idea to say that no more can come?

[–]slothrrYorkshire -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Muslims

Y'know, and that's just the most celebrated.