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[–]thisuserisnotreal 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I met Zoe about 2 1/2 years ago. I had a friend who wanted to date her, and he wanted my opinion of her. After spending some time getting to know her, she seemed really cool. She had big ideas and was extremely passionate. She even mirrored my opinions. You need to know that she's a chameleon. She's charming and can adapt to any environment. It's easy to trust her. This is all relevant to make you understand why people stand up for her. She makes everything she says seem genuine.

After I told my friend that she was cool and dateable and they started dating, things changed. Suddenly, she was using details from my life story, things that explain why I am who I am, in stories she was telling me. It was then I started to doubt the validity of other things she said (none of which I will share because that is not my place). As I started piecing together stories she told me over the time I knew her, things started not adding up. There were inconsistencies, and I started casually asking her about things when they didn't make sense with the narrative she had previously given.

This is when she started arguing the most minor things with me, which I assume was to try to discredit the questions I was asking. It also became obvious that she was trying to separate my friend from us (There were more people involved than just me, but I'm one of the only ones willing to risk this and deal with the fallout.) because she'd drag him into the arguments. Who's not going to side with their new SO?

One day, I received an email asking what my problem with Zoe was. When I described the things she did, such as stealing bits of my identity (which I believe I just called lying and didn't get into details) and creating discord between us, my friend didn't see things my way. I even pointed out then that she is the type of feminist who uses feminism to get ahead and for hate. Instead of reading the words I used and the points I made, the response I received was only that I hate her because she's a feminist. (FYI, I'm a feminist who knows that men are our allies and we need to work together.)

I recognized the lying and manipulation pretty quickly (maybe 6-8 weeks in), so I don't have a more exciting or compelling story. Ever since then, I've had to sit silently and watch her be lauded for her strong principles and social activism. Anyone I told about her behavior, even if she had screwed them in some way, excused it mostly out of fear of losing a contact or a friend who happened to be friends with her.

I don't care about her being punished or losing her status as a dev. It's not about that for me. It's about recognizing a hurtful person and that person learning and stopping it. I don't want people to harass her. I don't want people to harass her friends. I just want all the abusive behavior (from all parties) to end.

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (5子コメント)

User confirmed. She knew Zoe. And I have a few things I want to comment on here:

Suddenly, she was using details from my life story, things that explain why I am who I am, in stories she was telling me.

This thing here. Zoe would do this exactly. Either mirror sentiments I'd expressed "I'm worried I care more about you than you care about me" [in the green logs.] Or if I speculated as to whether I did something wrong, she would play that up and make it the thing that I definitely did wrong, to use as ammo when required.

I recognized the lying and manipulation pretty quickly (maybe 6-8 weeks in), so I don't have a more exciting or compelling story. Ever since then, I've had to sit silently and watch her be lauded for her strong principles and social activism. Anyone I told about her behavior, even if she had screwed them in some way, excused it mostly out of fear of losing a contact or a friend who happened to be friends with her.

User has apologized for not warning me earlier. I accepted apology because user did not know I existed. User is cool peeps.

Anyway, hope /r/Drama likes the surprise guest.

[–]crazyex 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please give this a read

ZQ sounds like a typical Narcissistic Personality Disorder girlfriend, especially with the gaslighting

[–]thereddee [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for the link, I've been dating a bdp for 3 year (even got engaged) and got a major depression after I decided to finally break up!

It affected me in my relationships afterward... And took me over 2 year to get over the paranoia!

I know it's not the same as Narcissistic Personality Disorder but there is lot of similarities!

[–]dougtulane [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The reason the Zoe Post hit me hard is because Zoe acted exactly, exactly like the first girl I loved. The cheating, the gaslighting, the ostracizing and silent treatment when I asked questions. The way she started off mirroring my personality, and slowly broke away from that, and tried to mold me into subservience.

Thankfully I recognized it and broke up after a month of this behavior. And to her credit, at this point she let me go. She could've strung me along for another couple months if she had felt like continuing the game. But it was a miserable, miserable experience being manipulated by someone like that. And I figure a good chunk of the people who are treated like that either get addicted to it, or become manipulators themselves.

It's really beyond easy to manipulate someone who is in love with you. I just don't know why some people prefer it to honest love.

[–]UncleSamuel-UncleSamuel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, is this post the surprise guest? They deleted their account it seems.

-UncleSamuel

[–]qriosI fucked Zoe Quinn and all I got was this shitty flair[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. She posted a new thread on accident. I'm going to bed and waiting for the upvotes to sort out the good from the bad.

[–]RonPaulsErectCock 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

stealing bits of my identity

Can you elaborate on this? It sounds really weird.

[–]vintermann [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's another thing pointing to ZQ having some cluster B personality disorder.

People with borderline personality disorder have a weak sense of identity, of who they are. Think like teenagers, or middle aged men going through a "mid-life crisis", except that people with BPD are always like that, and they don't know any other way.

What they do is often to attach themselves to someone and idolize them, and they tell themselves "that's what I'm like too!". They borrow your sense of identity, so to say. Naturally they are attracted to people who have a strong sense of identity, or at least seem to have it (sometimes they end up with similarly unstable people just good at projecting one at the moment). They'll even exaggerate your identity, and naturally the poor victim thinks he's found his soul mate.

But it never lasts. They aren't happy in anyone's borrowed skin for long, and when they tire of it, the target's sense of identity becomes everything that's wrong with the world instead, and the cause of all their problems.

The comment about stealing identity made me think ZQ maybe has a bit of this. She certainly sounds like she has a bit of the other "cluster B" personality disorders.