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[–]Joacimunicorn 182 ポイント183 ポイント  (97子コメント)

If you would stop presenting opinions as facts, that would be fantastic. I mean, i didn't enjoy it either, but this is just taking too far

[–]hadistar 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Dan pretty much replied to you in his 101 of Infamous Second Son.

Link to video (starts at 25:16) http://youtu.be/0pIN2VrKYR0

[–]FrostytheSnowColt 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://youtu.be/0pIN2VrKYR0?t=25m16s

Direct link to time

[–]Gigadrax 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, exactly a reviewer is a filter of biases. But if one or two small things makes or breaks a game for you then you're a bad reviewer, since the review is warped drastically because of a small part of the game. Sure he doesn't have to like it, nobody's making him, but if people say "This was a bad review because the basis for the flaws in it is a minor part of the game" he often whines about it. I'm not saying that's the case here or there, I'm just saying that's a thing and it does happen occasionally. And honestly, sometimes I do like his opinions, but I feel like he was just trying to stand out with this particular review, maybe that's just me.

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    [–]M4ttR 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Do you have a link to the tweet?

    [–]Ryzor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you keep listening he literally says at 27:25 "He states his opinions like thy're facts" and goes on to reply to that criticism.

    [–]Goonred 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Presentation was the point though wasn't it? He's not saying not to be bias he's saying present it better. You can review stuff without insulting it.

    e.g. GTA is bad because the cops are OP is completely different in presentation to I don't like GTA because of the OP cops.

    [–]Themoneymancan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That video was just unbearably dull to watch half an hour of banging on the same 5 of so points then ranting at people giving him honest feedback.

    [–]DumbHotdog 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (68子コメント)

    I agree.

    I used to like watching Nerd3 on YouTube.. But really, I feel like Dan has begun acting too much as a judge in games when reviewing them, to truly enjoy his videos. I know you have to come up with both good and bad views on games when reviewing them, but just showing game footage, where you focus on NOT doing anything funny and just bash the game is not OK.

    I've lost more and more respect for Dan and his channel over the few past months. I, in my own honest opinion, would rather like Dan going back to the roots.

    [–]KerbingPixel 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think the problem lies in planning on Dan's side. Hear me out:

    The first 2-ish years of NerdCubed was a guy with a computer, dicking around for hours on end and putting it on YouTube. More than 99% was comedy. Everything was groovy.

    However, he was aiming to have a small audience (in the video with Hannah Hart, he stated he was aiming for ~20.000 subscibers by year one (someone correct me)), and ended up with 1.000.000 mouths to feed with comedy every day by year 2.

    This literal explosion on subscribers gave him power in the games industry. Going from a guy shouting jokes at a camera stuck infront of him to someone who can tweet about a good game, and have it greenlighted is a serious power. And, like any sensible person, he wanted to use it for good. Problem is, Dan has an amzing skill at shouting comedy gold at microphones, and not in reviewing. Dan ain't no David Tennant in Season 4, more like Schwarzenegger's English in "Terminator". He went from being a man made of flesh and comedy to start reviewing games with almost no experience in it, apart from the few small cuts we see in old Dan, where he quickly compliments a good part or critizises bad, and then went on to screaming "SAUSAGE!". And that's where he made a bad move.

    [–]Creathian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You couldn't have said it better.

    /u/Mattophobia. Please,if you don't mind, show this to Dan. He just needs to see this.

    [–]SpencersCJ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I got bored after the first channel rearrangement, I love his quickly edited, face value videos which is why he got big in the first place but now thats seems to have stopped apart from the NerdCubed plays but even then sometimes it isn't edited. And yes I know editing takes a long time but I prefer high quality over quantity which is what Dans channel always seemed to be about

    [–]Zarkx 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (51子コメント)

    What pisses me off is when he does the whole "this game bad me no like" thing for like 2 or 3 minutes instead of just playing the fucking game. I don't watch his channel to watch a title screen I watch it to see him play a game.

    Edit: stopped watching when he said nothing is worse then when a joke is told over and over again. I know the rest of the video will be him complaining over and over again. It's not funny it's not even entertaining for me it just makes him look like an ass. I love Dan's sense of humor but I have like less then zero respect for his opinion of video games.

    [–]Cheese_With_Bacon 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    Dark Souls 2. Took 6 hours (or something) for him to realize you get the Estus Flask from the Emerald Herald. Yet he judges the game for his incompetence. Ha.

    [–]Zarkx 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    Exactly, he constantly shits on games because he just doesn't like them. That doesn't make them bad it makes them games he doesn't like. But he doesn't see the difference apparently

    [–]Cheese_With_Bacon 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Eh well he seems to see his opinion as fact. I used to enjoy his content but recently I've just been getting annoyed because he says it's a fact a game is bad even though it's his opinion. Even though more often than not it's due to his own ignorance he dislikes the game.

    [–]stiffian 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The reason why he gives his reason as facts is because they are facts TO HIM not to everyone, say totalbiscuit he doesn't like platformers so he wont like the game as much as nerd³ who is known to like platformers. You see! Just watch this bit of this video of his! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pIN2VrKYR0&feature=youtu.be 26:14 (Watch through till end)

    [–]jaxxy94 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I wasn't paying that much attention to this video but I'm pretty sure he didn't outright say that the game being bad was a fact. You have to remember that this is a review, and a review is just opinions.

    [–]Cheese_With_Bacon -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's literally in the description.

    [–]jaxxy94 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I honestly don't know which part your referring to but I'm guessing it's this:

    A Baaaaad game.

    In which case, that clearly his opinion. That description accompanies a review video (and as I've explained, review = opinions) so surely you would take that as being an opinion also?

    [–]User_2502 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    His opinion is fact to him. Your opinions are fact to you. This does NOT make them general facts in relative to more then the person speaking them.

    You're arguing your opinion over his. Stop this nonsense.

    [–]maxlotldotcom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He played dark souls for dozens of hours to try to understand why people think it's fun.

    He went into goat simulator thinking he'd like it, but ended up hating it.

    He went into Simpsons hit & run thinking he'd like it, but he hated that too.

    How is he ignorant? he wants to like games, but sometimes he doesn't.

    [–]ShEsHy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Apparently he's ignorant because he doesn't like the things other people do.

    [–]flamespirit919 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    In his Infamous Second Son video he clearly states that yes his reviews are biased, but whose aren't? It's just a matter of preference if you agree with him or not.

    [–]KodekGB 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But he's stating his opinions as complete fact.

    [–]suppapa 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You know how the first guy was talking opinions? well why not look at yourselves.

    [–]Zarkx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have said nothing about which games are good or not in fact I have said nothing about anything I have said being a fact. I said he does this and this and guess what he does. It's not a opinion when he actually does something. Now if I said he is not funny anymore then you can get on my case but I have not.

    [–]megarusty 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But...they're bad to him that's the point. People love Morrowind for example. I don't like it because I think it's a bad game. They go hand in hand.

    [–]User_2502 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    In your opinion.

    [–]User_2502 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    In your opinion.

    [–]Urnquei 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    He doesn't even play Goat Simulator properly. I didn't enjoy the game but I feel like he didn't give it a fair chance either. And making a 20 minute uncut video bashing the game is too much.

    [–]Bigmidge 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    He did say in the video that he played the game for about 2 hours.

    [–]Urnquei -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Yep, I picked up on that. I don't feel 2 hours is enough to judge a game like that though, it feels like he just read someones opinion and retold it.

    [–]Stepepper 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I stopped playing after 1 hour because I got so bored.

    [–]KodekGB -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I played 6.6 hours of the game because one of the only forms of comedy I like is game glitches. So it was very hilarious to play.

    [–]LeClassyGent -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Holy fuck your life must be depressing.

    [–]KodekGB -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah it is. I'm often pretty depressed and self hating. I also try suicide sometimes too.

    [–]2b2gbi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There isn't two hours worth of content in Goat Simulator. After about twenty minutes you've basically seen everything it has to offer.

    [–]ShEsHy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Less, I got bored after the first ragdoll.

    [–]maxlotldotcom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He did give it a chance, he thought he'd like it at first, but then didn't.

    [–]User_2502 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    In your opinion.

    [–]Mercinary909 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I love jokes that are told over and over. That's why dickbitt and doge are so funny. The fact that they are funny enough to be repeated at that level.

    [–]Zarkx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    http://i.imgur.com/oTniz8G.jpg

    Edit: just ignore the last one people nothing to see here.

    [–]Mercinary909 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Heh. If i had posted it twice it would be funny as fuck. You know what, Screw it. Posting second one

    [–]5225225 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Dickbutt and doge are NOT funny. (and nor is anything on /r/funny, or /r/adviceanimals)

    [–]Mercinary909 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    That's just like, your opinion man.

    [–]5225225 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah. It is.

    And so is yours.

    [–]Mercinary909 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's just like, your opinion man.

    [–]Mercinary909 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I love jokes that are told over and over. That's why dickbitt and doge are so funny. The fact that they are funny enough to be repeated at that level.

    [–]Zarkx 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sometimes a joke is just funny or a picture is just funny it doesn't need to have a reason and it certainly doesn't need to work for everyone. I mean humor is subjective I may find a 9/11 joke funny while you don't. Doesn't mean it's not funny it just means you don't find it funny.

    http://i.imgur.com/tz1IJjM.jpg

    [–]Zarkx 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    http://i.imgur.com/ng4h5Tw.jpg

    Edit: I posted this because it showed your comment in my inbox twice.... I guess I don't see what you did

    [–]Mercinary909 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Heh. If i had posted it twice it would be funny as fuck. You know what, Screw it. Posting second one.

    [–]maxlotldotcom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    memes are adaptive, and are more like inside jokes to the internet.

    [–]maxlotldotcom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yea, because he meant for all that complaining to be funny, that's why he put HELL in the title of the video, because it's FUNNY.

    [–]germanbloger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    The fact that he was complaining about the game continously ties in with the fact that the game shows the same joke continiously. So in actual fact he did a pretty smart thing by doing what the game does. And to me it seems like a lot of the people who don't like the video is because they have put money towards the game so can't agree to the fact that they bought a terrible product.

    [–]Zarkx -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I never bought the game and I can still tell you that for me this video is just like a lot of his recent videos it's him hating on games because he can. At least for me that how it appears. And he tells us his opinion in a way that makes it seem like he thinks his opinion is a fact. Thats why it bugs me.

    He say "hey look at this glitch, yea this isn't funny" well yea to him it's not to me maybe it was. He has been doing this for a while and now I'm just plain sick of it.

    The worst part though is all the people who protect his opinions like they are a fact. It's annoying that the reddit comments have turned into the YouTube comments on this sub.

    [–]flamespirit919 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    He says it's a fact because to him it's a fact and it's only a matter of preference if you agree with him.

    [–]Zarkx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Just because he sees them as facts does not give him the right to say them as if they were facts.

    He has a channel that over a million people watch. And he frequently sways people into protecting his every word.

    It reminds me of the "what a faggot" tweet It doesn't matter if he didn't mean for it to be offensive that word is offensive to a huge group of people. And the people who safe guarded him from anyone who didn't agree with him prove how single minded fans can be.

    [–]flamespirit919 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    But see most people are single-minded because they look at it from one or two points. Then they defend the point that seems more favorable. Not everyone sees things from all angles and applies facts from something completely different to give as comparison. Now I'm not defending Dan saying that he wasn't too rough on Goat Simulator, he was. I'm also not saying teaming with everyone else saying that Dan is the Devil for saying bad things about games he finds bad. Those people are wrong too because they're either defending something they like or are just being single-minded and aren't factoring in things. I'm trying to say that if people just listened to Dan and understood his point, saw things for what they are, and how they compare to other things instead of attacking him instantly or defending his every word then Dan wouldn't be so angry at everyone and maybe the YouTube comments would be on, he'd still have a Reddit account, and he wouldn't be so hostile on Twitter.

    Yes, Goat Simulator had a lot of bad ideas and gameplay, but there were some things that were good. Dan was too harsh to the game, but Goat Simulator isn't worth the money. It should have just been a free game and it would have been pretty good for the price. People shouldn't defend it saying it's the best game ever or saying that it was ok, because ok isn't worth spending more than $5 on. It's kind of like Keeping Up With the Kardashians. Yes, it's bad and somewhat stupid, but for some reason people like it and it's become super huge.

    Sorry about the rant, but I agree and disagree with you, but that's how the world works and is what makes it so great.

    [–]Zarkx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I agree with you I just am not very good at voicing things like you obviously are :)

    I just think people need to be more multisided instead on having a one mind opinion

    [–]flamespirit919 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sorry, I don't know if it's: * Natural * My 1.5 years of high school English * Or 0.5 year of college English

    At least we've come to an equilibrium and everyone is happy. :D

    [–]Stargazeer -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Question. If you dont like nerdcubed anymore why do you still watch him? You should full well know that a hell video will be opinions and negativity. If you dont like them dont watch them. He does different series for a reason, so he can cater for more people, but he cant cater for all people all the time.

    [–]RandoSnail396 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    That's because usually his Hell videos are him actually suffering from a genuinely BAD game (See Air Control) but this game isn't even bad... it's just overpriced for what it is: You laugh at it for a couple of hours, and then you most likely never play it again.

    [–]JamieD92 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Can confirm, this is exactly what I did after buying it in the sale.

    [–]KodekGB 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Confirmed. Played for 6.6 hours when it came out, never played again.

    [–]Stargazeer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, hours is a bit of an overstatement. Apart from this one ive never actually seen a full goat sim video. The joke just dies after a few minutes. As he says, the glitches are funny when you dont expect them. I laughed when his head randomly went through the dancing chair. But when he just falls out of the world or when his head glitches for the millionth time.....no. And it is a bad game. Its designed to be a bad game. But its the fsct that it exists where money and time could have gone into a good game that irritates him. That this is just another in a long line of bad games being sllowed into the community and onto steam, with this one saying "I might be a bad game but im meant to be so im actually worth the £7 you payed for me".

    [–]Gotgunpowder 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe he's not watching him and just commenting here?

    [–]TheTrueApex -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know you have to come up with both good and bad views on games when reviewing them, but just showing game footage, where you focus on NOT doing anything funny and just bash the game is not OK.

    So, when reviewing a game, showing game footage and then bashing it is not okay.

    Isn't that exactly a game reviewers job, to show you the game and then tell you what they think of it. No game review can be unbiased, because if the game review was just facts and not opinions it would look like this:

    • Goat Simulator is a game.
    • Goat Simulator is on Steam, for $10.
    • In Goat Simulator you play as a goat.
    • You can unlock different types of goats, and find collectibles in Goat Simulator.
    • In Goat Simulator you have to achieve a large score by destroying/interacting with objects.
    • Goat Simulator presents it's bugs as features.

    My point stated by Dan.

    Also, Dan did do what people who play Goat Simulator classify as funny. He did interact the people and objects, he did move around the area, he did lick items. But that is practically all you can do, and it is the same almost every time. A 20 minute Hell video may have been a bit excessive, and he was a bit condescending with it, but I don't think as a REVIEW he did anything wrong. He did show footage of what you do in Goat Simulator, and he did give his opinion on the game.

    [–]rhou17 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I'm not Dan, but I think I've seen enough of him to know close to what his opinion would be.

    If you don't like his videos, no one's forcing you to watch them. He's doing what he wants to do. If you'd rather tell him to bend over and do what the internet wants, you're going to get a signature "Sod off" from the man with the fabulous hair.

    [–]ChefExcellence 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    If you don't like his videos, no one's forcing you to watch them.

    I wish we could abolish this fucking sentence from the Internet forever.

    [–]rhou17 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Well that's a fantastic counter argument. Care to explain why?

    [–]ChefExcellence 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It achieves nothing but stifling discussion and silencing dissenting opinions without bothering to make an actual point.

    [–]rhou17 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Without bothering to make an actual point

    The point is that Dan doesn't really care what the community thinks, especially just one little branch of it. He does what he wants to. If you choose to refuse to recognize my argument as "An actual point", that's fine, it just so happens to be doing exactly what you seem to think is bad.

    [–]ChefExcellence 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is a subreddit to discuss Dan's videos. That is what is happening in this thread, but you told someone they should just sod off because you don't agree with them.

    [–]Trachyon 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm pretty sure he's said before that it should be implied that everything he says is an opinion.

    [–]FaZeOptik 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He had his opinion, but he explained why he hated Goat Simulator. The difference is that he backs up his opinion.

    [–]FrostytheSnowColt 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you would stop presenting opinions as facts

    Example?

    [–]karl_w_w 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What on earth makes you think it's something other than his opinion? I don't remember him saying he has done scientific studies or anything at all which would imply he is stating facts. If all you want is facts then... well it's pretty hard to nail down as fact whether or not a game is good, but I would say Metacritic is probably a good place to start, rather than one person's youtube channel.

    [–]TheTrueApex 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'll just leave this here...

    [–]JeffTheKillerII 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But...but...that's why an opinion is called an opinion! Not a fact!

    [–]Beelz666 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's what his channel is for. OPINIONS.

    [–]SilentCaay -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Dan's opinion on Dan's channel?! Madness! Scandal! You must back up your assertions with proof, sir!

    1) People should expect Dan's opinion... It's Dan's channel.

    2) The game sucks. This is a fact, not an opinion.

    [–]skunkkungfu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I looked at the title and was like "oh Dan likes physics based free roam games" then i looked at the dislikes and was like "oh no what did he say?"

    [–]Ziggenarko -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That is a funny sarcastic comment! Oh wait... Don't you see the irony? Dan has earlier stated that he uses his own opinions to judge a game and should be taken for just that, opinions. If you don't agree, well, does it really matter what a funny guy with a mic and computer thinks about games?

    [–]ChefExcellence 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm just tired of Dan's recent attempts at turning his videos into reviews/criticism. Who here started watching his videos because of his well thought out and concisely expressed opinions? And how many of us started watching because we enjoyed watching him just mess around and have fun?

    Why even bother making a video about Goat Simulator at this point? It came out months ago, the people who enjoyed it are all done with it and the people who didn't like it have all said what they have to say and moved on. There's nothing new to add to the discussion.