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FACEBOOK[[TW: Facebook]] Cosplaying as Drow is totally problematic (i.imgur.com)

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[–]Jalorconductor of the poop train 334 ポイント335 ポイント  (37子コメント)

Anyone who thinks Drow look like blackface has never seen blackface.

[–]FearLoathingHolland 181 ポイント182 ポイント  (11子コメント)

It is pretty ironic IMO. I think that saying this is racist is pretty fucking racist. Black people aren't elves.

[–]ScipiiRyeCishets Rule Everything Around Me 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (4子コメント)

People who use "poc" unironically certainly treat them as such.

[–]DrFisharoo 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like that "PoC" implies that no matter what your culture/ethnicity is, it doesn't matter if your skin is white. Inuits? Native Americans? Fuck them, they're white.

[–]heavyhebrewThe Patriarchy always rolls a natural Twenty. 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/StormfrontorSJW

[–]bananafish707Zergling-kin 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

PoC doesn't have to be a useless term. I think it's more about conclusions you wildly make when you describe the group. I mean, "non-whites", which PoC basically means can run humongous gambits. Like 75% of the planet isn't white. Everyone from chinese farmhands in Western China, the last remaining Aztec bloodlines, a mexican guy from Philly who owns a car dealership, some Black guy who grew up in England from an adopted family but moved to Korea to teach english....Its all "PoC".

And when they say shit like "poc hate this/when you do that" it makes no fucking sense. Ironically of course, their attempt to be inclusive erases cultural identity and shows a really sophomoric view of cultures besides American city culture.

[–]InOranAsElsewheredéjàgender. vu/vu/voiself pronouns. 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ironically of course, their attempt to be inclusive erases cultural identity and shows a really sophomoric view of cultures besides American city culture.

One of the biggest issues SJWs in general have is overwhelming Amerocentricism. They don't seem to get that the U.S. is not indicative of culture around the world.

[–]heavyhebrewThe Patriarchy always rolls a natural Twenty. 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait, black people are not subterranean demon worshippers reveling in sadism, slave taking and conquest in the fantasy Underdark?

[–]garrytheninjaAsarikin head mate of a human cishitlord 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not that there's anything wrong with that! Check your privilege!

[–]CyberDaggerFairy-kin. Triggered by the word "idiot". Pronoun: the strongest 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your flair could not be more appropriate to the topic at hand.

[–]trulygenericname 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know they're obviously orcs /s/.

[–]Nightfalls 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

#notallorcs

[–]Saorenover 9000 sjw's triggered 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

also drow (or things like dark elves in TES) are literally black/grey. not, say, brown skin tones, no like actually BLACK or GREY

[–]WcJessen 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (23子コメント)

'Mammy' - Al Jolson

[–]tribe98reloadedTrigender Pyrofox 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Why was blackface even necessary for him to sing that song? Maybe it's because I'm from a different era, but I don't get how the singer being in blackface adds to the entertainment value at all.

[–]WcJessen 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (19子コメント)

This segment, taken from a wikianswer summarizes it pretty well:

Blacks were not accepted on the Broadway stage during that period due to racial prejudice. The audiences knew it was only makeup and understood that this was the only way they could see an act of a pseudo-black performance. However, a number of entertainers, including Al Jolson and Eddie Cantor, were sensitive to the musical talents of blacks and their creation of the new genre of totally American music, such as as ragtime, jazz, and blues, and chose to perform it on stage.

[–]Mein_CaptianNap-kin 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Wait, so the black face is used to bring black music to a white audience of that time? That sounds... not that horrible... even if it's whitewashed "jazz" and whatnot.

[–]WcJessen 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Obviously a lot of it was meant to mock black people, but people should know that it wasn't entirely for that. I mean, back in Shakespearean times they had to use men dressed in drag since women weren't allowed on stage.

[–]Could-Have-Been-King 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And they had to use blackface to perform Othello, arguably one of the most deep, and challenging tragic roles to perform.

[–]heavyhebrewThe Patriarchy always rolls a natural Twenty. 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I kissed thee ere I killed thee, no way but this, Killing myself, to die upon a kiss.

[–]flerpssuey park raped me 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never considered that. The whole thing wouldn't make much sense if Othello wasn't visibly black.

[–]VoiceofKaneMy pronouns are xir XOR xe. Use one or the other; never both. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even done in film as recently as 1965.

[–]amonakHadou-kin, pronouns: LP/MP/HP 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The main thing that always confused me about it was that they should've just allowing Black people on the stage if they really wanted a black character there that bad. Same thing with women. They went above and beyond and pretending to be something they weren't just because of some stupid "no [insert type of person] allowed".

[–]aether_dancer 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If everyone just listened to sense like that, the world would be a nicer place.

[–]cakesphereChicken of the Sea-kin. Triggers: can openers, Jessica Simpson 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just goes to show you how far people will go to avoid rocking the boat, I guess.

[–]Ragnrok 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

At the time, Al Jolson was one of the few people who could walk into any white or black bar in town and order a drink. Today, we see him as an unforgivable racist.

Does this count as whitewashing history?

[–]IGotAKnifeTranscontinental 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's actually really unfortunate he made some amazing music and was one of the few big name performers that didn't use black face to mock blacks. He kind of just ended up being the face of a racist practice at the time even though he took in good spirit unlike other comedy acts.

[–]congratsyougotsbedridiculously good looking privileged 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

black face is used to bring black music to a white audience of that time

Not always!

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    [–]Quetzie 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    And this historical context is imposed on traditions from other countries.

    Zwarte Piet =/= Blackface

    [–]formulasofdeath -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    As a Dutchie, I disagree. Zwarte Piet is the celebration of black slavery and white supremacy. It's not explicit, but that's what it's derived from.

    [–]Quetzie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That is complete bull, and shows a lack of understanding of historical context.

    Feel free to convince me, but I've read pretty extensively on the subject and all people so far who claim it is 'the celebration of black slavery and white supremacy', or something similar and equally appaling are usually people who love to be contrarians, people who try to take politically correct and white guilt to an unrealistic level and disgruntled people of color.

    Only people of that last group have given any solid part of a reasoning, and even then it is usually heavily influenced by feelings.

    But, as I've already said, feel free to try and engage me in debate, especially if you have some new info or reasonings, but don't expect me to be impressed with 'blablabla blackface' or 'white man being the professional superior over black man in a given relationship = automatic racism & slavery'.

    [–]iwrestledasharkonceTransautistic Twinkiekin 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    TIL. I always knew about the racist uses of it - let's dress up as black people and act stupid and have a good laugh at those stupid black people - but I didn't know it was also a way just to put a "black" person on stage and expose others to black American culture. That's actually kind of cool.

    Now that it's not seen as business suicide to put an actual PoC performer on stage, I'm happy minstrel shows and blackface have gone the way of the dodo, but back in that time... that's a really interesting way of spreading culture.

    [–]WcJessen 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I relate it to using men to play women back when women weren't allowed on stage.

    [–]ThyDoctor 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Essentially it was a way for white people to play a ridiculous persona on stage. Everyone knew to laugh at the funny man with dark skin.

    [–]SwiggityStagtrans-cannibal -you don't have to eat people to identify as one! 186 ポイント187 ポイント  (39子コメント)

    SJWs are constantly having tantrums about cosplay. Apparently if you have white skin, you're not allowed to cosplay anyone or anything that doesn't have skin like fresh snow. Purple, grey, and pretty much everything else is apparently "problematic" too.

    [–]nerd4life123Dead Poes' Society: Oh shitlord, my shitlord. 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (27子コメント)

    Even if you're the character's voice actor.

    [–]WubbledaddyLBGTTIQQAA Activist 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wait what? That actually happened?

    [–]ilikecigarettesI am become patriarchy oppressor of worlds 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (23子コメント)

    Wait wat, did this happen? That's fucking hysterical.

    [–]nerd4life123Dead Poes' Society: Oh shitlord, my shitlord. 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Yeah. Korra's voice from LoK did a Korra cosplay and some SJWs got pissed about it.

    [–]Mein_CaptianNap-kin 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Any links?

    [–]VermogenstoucanFenne-kin 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I found this using Google:

    [–]ExiledMidget 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That tumblr user says in her Bio that she is just a character to "poke fun at extremists". So I wouldn't think she was being serious

    [–]OrbisTerre 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hmm, well the offended comment was from little-missandry and:

    The content of this blog is not to be taken seriously. It exists to poke fun at social justice extremism on Tumblr by assuming the position of said extremist.

    [–]IAMA_dragon-AMApanromantic. I love TF2's Frying Pan 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Any links about that? Sounds neat.

    [–]staringhyena 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Was such complaint actually made?

    [–]nerd4life123Dead Poes' Society: Oh shitlord, my shitlord. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    See my response to another reply.

    [–]GingorEven in death, I still oppress 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    But remember:
    If you tell a PoC that his costume is inaccurate because his skin color doesn't fit, you're literally Hitler.

    [–]teuastSir Transcis Bacon 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    "Hypothetical thin black guy with one eye, what the hell are you doing cosplaying as the Heavy?"

    "YOU RACIST FUCK"

    [–]WizardryVI 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "Hypothetical thin black guy with one eye, why the hell aren't you cosplaying Sammy Davis Jr.?"

    [–]hayabusa1138[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because he's not Jewish!

    [–]ParusiMizuhashiDeviljho kin. Pronouns, Jho/Jhor/Jhoself 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No, demo's just drunk and grabbed the wrong gun off the rack

    [–]cakesphereChicken of the Sea-kin. Triggers: can openers, Jessica Simpson 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He's playing randomizer

    [–]NerethosIdentifies as Kaiju 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    SJWs are constantly having tantrums about cosplay.

    SJWs are constantly having tantrums about everything.

    [–]Zuke88 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    it doesn't applies on the other side, if you have dark skin you can totally cosplay as the whitest motherfucker there is and nobody can say a thing

    [–]PrincessGaryTransmechanic. It's a thing. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And yet if you're black, you can do whatever you want to.

    [–]Loofabits 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    are you trying to tell me that purple is not supposed to represent black shitlord?

    [–]Asshole_PatrolProud Trans-isomer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Remember that one time that they got mad at a white cosplayer for tanning up to make a more accurate cosplay of Katara from Avatar: The Last Airbender?

    [–]ElScorp1onEFS- Never5get 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    Aren't the drow an example of their perfect feminist society? Women are in charge and have all power, (political and divine), and brutally oppress men, who are the scapegoats for everything.

    [–]SirDuncanTheDonutRoll 3d6 to determine privilege 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Drizzt is the problem with Drow society. He represents the evils of the MRA neckbeard fedora wearers. His cries of not all drow and claims of being a nice guy are anethema to the visions of the average SJW.

    [–]Chewingthatbroccolitrans-black Atomkin. Social justice warrior. 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The Do'urden family should have sacrificed him at his birth... Matron Malice and the Do'urden family lost the spider Queens favor because of that.

    YesAllDrow

    [–]Haphazard-Suy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I tried to like the books but he was just so whiny.

    [–]Subrosian_SmithyAkalich-kin. Pronouns: Soul/Soulgem/Soulgemself 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    #NotAllDrizztClones

    Some chaotic good dual-wielding drow who are totally ripping off Drizzt aren't whiny! Check your critic privilege!

    [–]Chewingthatbroccolitrans-black Atomkin. Social justice warrior. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Thinking about it, I would have loved to play pathfinder or D&D in a sjw based campaign.

    "I would like to go to the inn and ask for a place to sleep. " " alright, give me a privilege check. - 19 since you are male. "

    [–]Subrosian_SmithyAkalich-kin. Pronouns: Soul/Soulgem/Soulgemself 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Paladin: [Detect Evil!]... Not evil, Not evil, Not evil, No reading- What in the-? Why are you carrying a sheet of lead?

    Chaotic Evil Halfling: It's a common practice among my people. Halflings of my village carry lead sheets to prove our manhood.

    Paladin: If you could kindly put it down for one-

    Halfling: STOP OPRESSING MY CULTURE YOU ETHNOCENTRIC BITCH!

    (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0202.html)

    [–]HereticalnerdBrood-Kin, not being in CM is oppression 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How high do I have to roll to pass a critic privilege check?

    [–]Subrosian_SmithyAkalich-kin. Pronouns: Soul/Soulgem/Soulgemself 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You need a critical hit, obviously. Better pray for dat nat 20.

    [–]fernandotakaischrodinger white 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    the firs three books are kind of whiny, but the icewind dale trilogy is just badassery all around.

    [–]PeppeLePointThe most white 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He gets better as the books move along.

    [–]hayabusa1138[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    But not too late, because then you can tell that Salvatore is just phoning it in.

    [–]Haphazard-Suy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I tried to take a look at the latest and I had the impression that they were all over the place.

    [–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Coining the MaleDrowTears mugs.

    [–]TainwulfWhite Devil 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This.... is scary to me in how accurate it is.

    [–]KaynanKCis Scum - Prepare to Die Edition 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They're also very isolationist. Therefore, no cultural appropriation.

    [–]CANOODLING_SOCIOPATHSlutty Asexual -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well that's not a "feminist" society as all mainstream feminist organized groups claim that they are for equality.

    [–]SirCiph*cracks my knuckles loudly and bisexually* 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    Holy mother-loving basket of fucks.

    Blackface is this, not just painting your face black. If you don't do the white (or red) lips then it ain't blackface.

    Jesus Almighty in a can, this shit couldn't get more fucking retarded if it featured an orgy in a short bus.

    EDIT: wtf is "blacm"

    EDIT 2X COMBO: added "or red"

    [–]DBolUSAFAutistic Koala-kin 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I think it kinda worked in Lethal Weapon 6 though.

    Mac and Dennis

    [–]ThadenvyStraight dude trapped in a gay dude's body 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Which season is that from?

    [–]DBolUSAFAutistic Koala-kin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    season 9 episode 9

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjhV1DavSRM

    [–]ThadenvyStraight dude trapped in a gay dude's body 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Darn. Netflix only goes to season 8

    [–]detlevWhite-passing PoC 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That was Lethal Weapon 5, which they made in season 6 episode 9. Lethal Weapon 6 was season 9.

    [–]DanimalsAsYogurtCaptain Fal-Kin, Preferred Pronouns: Pawnch, Kick, HYES 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Damn, they made another?

    I don't remember watching the entirety of season 9, might've missed it.

    [–]AvantGarbageIdentifies as ur mum 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    www.thepiratebay.org

    [–]IcecreamDave 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Try couchtuner

    [–]TheLastTimeLord9320 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Huh I didn't know that it had to have white lips for it to be considered black face thanks for teaching me somethin new

    [–]elbenjiAppropriating the Internet 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    also red and big. Depends

    [–]ZappyKins 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Blackface was also worn by black people in Minstrel Shows.

    http://www.black-face.com/minstrel-shows.htm

    [–]elbenjiAppropriating the Internet 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It can also be red. Either or.

    [–]teefour 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The front of the short bus, or the back?

    [–]SirCiph*cracks my knuckles loudly and bisexually* 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Smack dab in the motherfucking middle.

    [–]heavyhebrewThe Patriarchy always rolls a natural Twenty. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Can you handle the responsibility of sitting next to the escape door?

    [–]SirCiph*cracks my knuckles loudly and bisexually* 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I am a master of guerrilla warfare. I think I can handle an emergency door, you little fucking bitch.

    Can confirm, am US Navy Seal.

    [–]adrianmalacodaMKULTRA Subproject 8000 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm guessing you didn't graduate in the top of your class. If you had, you'd know it's spelled "gorilla warfare"

    [–]SirCiph*cracks my knuckles loudly and bisexually* 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Damn! I've been busted!

    [–]DudesanGenghis Khin 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I'm angry about this, but only because I had to live through the days of ten thousand chaotic good drow rangers dual wielding scimitars with their panther companions.

    [–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I am sorry, man. I never did it myself, but I entertained the idea of rolling one. Noone should go through that which happened to you

    [–]DudesanGenghis Khin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've played nonevil drow, I've played characters who dual-wield scimitars, and I've played characters with big cat companions, but never any combination thereof.

    Just say no to Drizzt clones.

    [–]mhmintz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Harsh times.

    [–]FazzehTranstrenders! Cishets in disguise! 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/brodieken/corel122.jpg

    [–]Grimpillmage 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "We just gonna ignore that hate crime sitting there?"

    [–]poop_chute_riotMama kin 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's OK because he's yellow.

    [–]DoctorMarioPhDCatDog-kin 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Magic user baby

    [–]KingmalBisexual Furry "Saying something makes it true! ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ!" 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I AM BRUTALITOPS, THE MAGICIAN!

    [–]trismagestusShit-Lord of the Flies 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "I'll just leave before you 'Chang' your mind."

    [–]MilhouseJr 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    http://youtu.be/E9-1Ga8f3b4

    [–]speaking_of_nabokov 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    So wait, it'll be racist when I cosplay a draenei 'cause I have to paint my skin blue?

    [–]Quetzie 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yes, it would be 'problematic'.

    [–]speaking_of_nabokov 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I could be one of the original designers of the draenei storyboard! Is it problematic then?! [God, do I wish]

    [–]iwrestledasharkonceTransautistic Twinkiekin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If you're white. White isn't a color. Blue is. Stop trying to be a person of color, shitlord.

    [–]speaking_of_nabokov 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    God, I never realized how much I wanted to be a draenei until now.

    [–]Le4chanFTW 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah, that's why James Cameron had to use CGI in Avatar.

    [–]speaking_of_nabokov 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nah, that was still racist. Did you see all that appropriation going on?!

    [–]Hideous-KojimaRowley Bir-kin Q.C. 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Didn't Community already do this joke?

    [–]DR_BALL_MD 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are we just gonna ignore that hate crime?

    [–]letsnottryanotherSAAB: Shitlord Assigned At Birth 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I really hate that word now. I guess "problematic" means "not conforming to my narrow world-view" now.

    [–]ShoutingCoffeeFeeding ham-beasts to my privilege. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I feel the same way. It was a good word for many situations, but now every time I hear it I have a sight gut reaction of negative thoughts towards who ever uses it.

    [–]sassyburgerprefers macho man randy savage pronouns YEAAAH/YEAAAH/YEAAAH 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The thing that makes black face offensive is it usually mocks someone who is actually that race. In this case, it's a fictional character who is literally the color black. Unless that's appropriating goth culture or something.

    [–]MeowsticgoesnyaWould you like fries with your oppression? 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (41子コメント)

    What's the story about?

    [–]hayabusa1138[S] 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (40子コメント)

    It's a picture of R.A. Salvatore (who practically invented the Drow as we currently see them in fantasy literature) with a group of fans dressing up as Drow. This group is angry because the dark skin reminds them too much of blackface. There's currently this huge argument going on between one sane guy and half the Facebook group over it.

    [–]SirDuncanTheDonutRoll 3d6 to determine privilege 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    There is a pretty good reason for SJWs to hate R.A Salvatore. the character Drizzt's character motivation is more or less the drow equivalent of "not all men."

    [–]ilikecigarettesI am become patriarchy oppressor of worlds 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Fuck, I just moved. If I knew were my dice bag was I'd totally roll to find my privilege right now.

    [–]ThisIsARobot 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    #notalldrow

    [–]angelothewizardGordon Ramsey-Kin. IT'S RAW! 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Is it really "not all men" or just standard "FUCK EVERYONE!", I wonder? Because I always thought of Drizzt as going "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you too Lolth, fuck you, I'm out!"

    [–]ifisaFlairsexual 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's "not all men" because he's basically "not all drow." He leaves to go to the surface, and wants to be seen as a good person and shows that not all drow are evil.

    [–]angelothewizardGordon Ramsey-Kin. IT'S RAW! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    At the end of Homeland, his motivation is "Fuck you!" towards the Drow, it's not until Sojourn that it changes to "I wanna be a hero". And even then, it's not until he meets the Ranger of Mielikki that he goes "yeah, I'll be a hero".

    [–]XaVierDKRope-apologist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    On that note, Drizzt has one of the most compelling story-arcs of any Forgotten Realms characters. Another interesting one is (obviously) Elminster (who has some really zany backstory), but also Midnight, the (current?) incarnation of the godess of magic.

    In general Forgotten Realms has some really awesome characters for what is essentially D&D tie-in fanfiction.

    [–]ARedditorCalledQuestTrigger Happy! 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oddly enough, drow society could totally float a #yesallmen tag.

    [–]santaclaws01Hello Kitty sword of opression 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not really. His motivation to do good is because that is who he is. It's not to show that not all drow are evil, otherwise he wouldn't kill as many as he does. Especially considering he's only come to that conclusion with 1 other drow, his father(I'm not counting Jarlaxle and Tos'un for various reasons). I'll agree that he very much wants to not believe in the whole racial alignments, but that generally takes a back burner.

    [–]TwiZtah 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The Drow culture is pretty much the opposite of early 1900's human culture. Instead of men oppressing women, it's women oppressing men.

    [–]XaVierDKRope-apologist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And the black people are in charge.

    [–]MeowsticgoesnyaWould you like fries with your oppression? 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (26子コメント)

    I have no clue what a drow is, so off to research!

    [–]ConquestadorTW: Feels 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    They're Dark Elves in Dungeons and Dragons, from the Underdark, which are deep underground caverns home to horrible abominations infused with the essence of shadow. Drow have charcoal black skin and white hair. They are all evil worshippers of Lolth, the Spider Godess, except for Drizzt Do'Urden, the Drow hero from RA Salvatore's books.

    [–]fareven 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    They are all evil worshippers of Lolth, the Spider Godess, except for Drizzt Do'Urden, the Drow hero from RA Salvatore's books.

    Drizzt and pretty much every single other player character drow ever.

    "Yes, let me tell you about my outcast rebel drow ranger who is in no way exactly like Drizzt Do'Urden..."

    [–]UpsetPlatypus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nah dude my drow was an assassin. #ChaoticEvil4Life

    [–]bl1y 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Why would the subterranean variety of elves have darker skin? It's not like they need protection from the sun.

    [–]ConquestadorTW: Feels 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Because they're creations of evil made by the Spider Goddess Lolth, who thrives off of chaos, destruction and darkness.

    That being said, they once inhabited the surface until they were driven under in a war against the wood and high elves.

    [–]CthonicPsycho-Pass is a documentary about SJW Governance 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Essentially: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/It_100a6a_663520.jpg

    [–]santaclaws01Hello Kitty sword of opression 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    They aren't creations of Lolth. They were corrupted by her and some Balor.

    [–]ConquestadorTW: Feels 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I seem to have my lore mixed up, you're right.

    [–]angelothewizardGordon Ramsey-Kin. IT'S RAW! 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    The first Drow was the lover of the Spider Queen Lolth, which basically cursed the entire race to have dark skin.

    EDIT: There are also surface Drow in Forgotten Realms, who worship a different god and basically follow Drizzt's path of goodness and being awesome. Drizzt himself eventually became a Ranger of Mielikki, Goddess of Nature (well, one of 'em) and proceeded to kick so much ass, Lolth got pissed enough to wipe Drizzt's home city off the goddamn map.

    [–]santaclaws01Hello Kitty sword of opression 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    When was Menzoberranzen destroyed?

    [–]angelothewizardGordon Ramsey-Kin. IT'S RAW! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Near the ending of RA Salvatore's books, I think. Chronologically, it takes place after the Cleric Quintet and probably after Icewind Dale too. I don't know when in the timeline, but by the time of 3.5 Forgotten Realms, Menzoberranzen is a ruin.

    [–]santaclaws01Hello Kitty sword of opression 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He's still writing though. His latest book features Menzoberranzen heavily. Maybe you're thinking of when House Oblodra was thrown into the Clawrift or that House Do'Urden was wiped out and the complex abandoned?

    [–]angelothewizardGordon Ramsey-Kin. IT'S RAW! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Huh, I just remember reading somewhere that "Menzoberranzen is gone". I might be misremembering, though.

    [–]UpsetPlatypus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah. But up until one the most recent books Lolth was favoring him because of the amount of chaos he brought to drow society. So even if he didn't accept Lolth as his goddess he was her perfect agent.

    [–]angelothewizardGordon Ramsey-Kin. IT'S RAW! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seriously, Lolth is one of the worst gods to worship because she actively seeks to harm members of her faith. Small wonder Drizzt told her to fuck off.

    [–]maybe_I_am_a_botTransfats are bigger on the inside, like the tardis. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They're evil which somehow magically turns their skin black? Its probably a reference to the dark elves in norse mythology, taken very literal.

    [–]angelothewizardGordon Ramsey-Kin. IT'S RAW! 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Actually, it was because the first one fucked Lolth and that changed the entire race's skin.

    [–]FuktigAromatic CSI gender! 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Actually the dark elves in Norse mythology has a literal translation that is black elfs. In Swedish "svartalf" [svarta:lv] svart = black, alf = elf

    [–]santaclaws01Hello Kitty sword of opression 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It's a demonic taint.

    [–]EssBen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Icky.

    [–]SuddenlyfoxesSolipsist-kin, pronouns: I/me/my 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I believe when they first showed up in Greyhawk, there was something about a form of magical radiation that permeated the subterranean Underdark, too. All of their magical stuff was powered by it or something, so if they stayed on the surface for too long, it would all disintegrate. Kept the players from looting all those magic swords they had.

    Forgotten Realms probably got rid of that bit. It never did make much sense.

    [–]santaclaws01Hello Kitty sword of opression 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There definitely was underdark-only magic, but I think it was mostly in relation to some of the drow's innate abilities. At least in the Drizzt books, Drizzt's piwafi slowly burned away on the surface. He also lost his ability to levitate, but I think that was a drow-noble only thing. As far as their weapons and stuff there really aren't many refrences to them that I can remember.

    [–]AkiraZXEＤｏｎｇｅｒ－ｋｉｎ； ｐｒｏｎｏｕｎｓ： ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)， (ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง， ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Dark-skinned, mostly subterranean-dwelling elves. Usually have an evil-leaning culture. I don't know which heroic Drow they're talking about though. The first one to immediately spring to mind is an elf named Drizzt Do'Urden and he's not been around that long, maybe 20 years or so. Basically, Drizzt took part in a Drow attack on some elves, decided that randomly attacking innocent people is a really crummy thing to do, and fast-forward some time and a bunch of adventures, he's a hero.

    [–]hayabusa1138[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    After Drizzt, it became a running joke that the amount of good drow in tabletops everywhere actually outnumbered the evil drow.

    [–]Strid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm Norwegian and one of the worlds from norse mythology is called Svartalfheim. It translates into "black elf home":P

    [–]DebonaireSloth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's currently this huge argument going on between one sane guy and half the Facebook group over it.

    Well... one could argue that nobody in their right mind would try to have a sincere discussion about this pantytwister, let alone on facebook because that way lies only more madness.

    [–]scottsouth 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I think we should ask a Drow how he/she feels about this matter.

    [–]nrutasTransethnophilic Anthropomorrowindic Hyenakin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    as a white passing transspecies drow-kin, I find the use of drow face incredibly problematic

    [–]WylanderukTW: jerking will effect your aim, squeeze slowly... 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The response would include whips and chains and, hmm back later...

    [–]ARGUMENTUM_EX_CULOHeil der Scheißführer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm pretty sure that there's nothing you can do that requires going outside that isn't problematic.

    [–]purpledildoinvader 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I really wish these people didn't make your skin tone such an issue.

    Nobody cares when a cosplayer uses contacts to change their eyes or wears a wig. Hell some cosplayers even use pads to change their body shape, but the second you do anything to your skin tone you're a racist piece of shit.

    [–]heavyhebrewThe Patriarchy always rolls a natural Twenty. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't think a normal black person would mistake this as blackface.

    When did black people gallivant about in chainmail, bows while wearing white wigs?

    [–]Mr_Frog09Pump-kin. Pronouns: Gourd/gourds/squashself 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    When they cosplayed as drow, obviously.

    [–]BattlerBasterPump-kin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Those shitfucks gets offended by everything...

    [–]PeppeLePointThe most white 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    BLACKFACE AND THE DROW ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

    [–]davorklju 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    drow face is not cool, it's very offencive to the proud elves of colour

    [–]WhitebaitTheCelibateYou can internalize my misogyny anytime 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Go back to Svartalfheim where you belong! Keep Midgard Human!

    [–]Apersonwhocomments 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This reminds me of that post where they harassed a non-white who was cosplaying as a Korra character because they thought she was using blackface, despite that being her natural skin color. Eventually she had to apologize for not being white.

    [–]BorisIvanovichFree-market Shitbanker 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Im more surprised by the fact that one of the drow looks fit

    [–]mightyneonfraa 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, this is blackface. That is black makeup.

    [–]Zerosen_OniEvangeli-kin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This just in, something g that slightly resembles something that might be construed as racist is now automatically super-duper double secret racist

    [–]AnguisetteAntha 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    TIL that even in fiction, only people directly descended from Africans are allowed to be black.

    [–]guitaurenhero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Taking the term "blackface", literally..../rubbingtemples...owowowow...my head.....

    [–]rfkannen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ok ok, as long as poc can't roll halflings.

    [–]DarkPascualGruul-kin until I get a better deck 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As a proud Dragonborn Paladin, Drows are really triggering...

    [–]Rodents210A cishet chooses. A SJW obeys. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why haven't I ever seen anyone cry "blackface" on any of the hundreds of Dark Link cosplays I've seen?

    [–]hayabusa1138[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They even went and added the lips and eyes to it...

    http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/1dj46w/

    [–]slothscantswimShit Shah 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Drow aren't supposed to be that dark anyways, fuck.

    [–]hayabusa1138[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    They have been. And technically are again. The latest rule book notes their skin tone as "obsidian." Personally, I prefer the purple-blue skin tone, as it looks cooler.

    [–]slothscantswimShit Shah 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Grrrr.

    [–]ErzherzogHis name was EvilFuckingSociopath. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Black-skinned elves are part of the drow family, but nobody in the fantasy community calls them Drow. They're jackdunmer.

    [–]VoiceofKaneMy pronouns are xir XOR xe. Use one or the other; never both. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Dunmer is just Elder Scrolls. In D&D, they are called Drow.

    [–]ErzherzogHis name was EvilFuckingSociopath. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I know, but I needed some other name.

    ...I MEAN, I AM THE ELFOLOGIST.

    [–]VoiceofKaneMy pronouns are xir XOR xe. Use one or the other; never both. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    RES Tagged.

    [–]ErzherzogHis name was EvilFuckingSociopath. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That typo will haunt me for eternity.

    I'll see you in 6-15 months when you're wondering why I'm the Elfologist!

    [–]sleeveypeevey weevey 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    fucking casuals.