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[–]GearyDigit 21 ポイント22 ポイント

[–]riomhaireIT'S NOT FREE SPEECH UNLESS I'M FREE FROM CONSEQUENCES 55 ポイント56 ポイント

I wonder why the reddit egalitarians aren't hunting down the journalists who supposedly were exchanging positive coverage for sex. But no it can't be any fault of their own. The terrible cyborg woman clearly hypnotized them with her evil vagina.

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    [–]riomhaireIT'S NOT FREE SPEECH UNLESS I'M FREE FROM CONSEQUENCES 23 ポイント24 ポイント

    Or maybe they're just people who met through being in the same industry and then fucked? We have no fucking clue and we shouldn't be nosing into her sex life.

    [–]AzizAnstarmie 17 ポイント18 ポイント

    Have no details but this honestly seems like the most likely scenario and it's the right one as far as Ockhams's Razor goes. Stephen Totilo (Editor in chief at Kotaku) said that he trusted his editor that's been accused of trading positive coverage for sex. Apparently the relationship took place after the review coverage and the guy hasn't written about Zoe since it happend. Totilo's twitter

    [–]ccmulligan 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    Yes, but Kotaku and Polygon are like the bastions of least-shitty games journalism. The people complaining hate those sites anyway.

    [–]riomhaireIT'S NOT FREE SPEECH UNLESS I'M FREE FROM CONSEQUENCES 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    Rock Paper Shotgun is best garme jurnaizm (though they only cover PC games and sometimes board games).

    [–]AzizAnstarmie 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    I haven't read Kotaku in years but thought they had a reputation as a cheap sensationalist blog, maybe I need to give them another chance as I really like Polygon.

    [–]exleus 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    They go up and down. I think about a year ago or so the editor in chief changed and so did their coverage. Waaaay back they were the best, then they slowly declined, but I think they're pretty alright now. Not essential, but decent. They have some real good columnists too.

    [–]electVoltThe Gay Agenda 14 ポイント15 ポイント

    This strikes me as the biggest thing in this situation. Having skimmed over the ex-boyfriend's post, hey, maybe she cheated on him. If she did, that wasn't a nice thing to do. But that doesn't matter to me, and shouldn't to almost anyone else.

    It's absolutely none of my business if she cheated on someone or not, because she wasn't sleeping with me or someone I'm close friends with, and everyone involved was a consenting adult. And it doesn't seem like she's going to sleep with me or someone I'm close friends with anytime soon. (I only include close friends in this insomuch as we might chat about our sex lives or ask for second opinions on people before we do anything with them.)

    The whole thing feels like an angry ex-boyfriend trying to get back at his ex-girlfriend by trying to publicly shame her, and shouldn't be news.

    [–]lborgia¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    yes, yes, yes, and....erm....yes.

    Thank gods, a haven of not-cocks :)

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      [–]whitneyface 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      her status as a feminist luminary

      Up there with Big Red and Valerie Solanas, I'm sure.

      [–]lborgia¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      She's our almightly leader dontchaknow :D

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        [–]GearyDigit -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

        wat

        [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント

        Oops. Forgot the vote count, my bad. It's [+244] at the time of this comment.

        [–]Able_Seacat_SimonBalla Ass Goon 18 ポイント19 ポイント

        I'm surprised about SRD's reaction to this drama. They've been almost SRS-lite lately, but I guess MUH FREEDOMS trumps not being shitty people.

        [–]Gunvorsejl -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

        I think it's a byproduct of landing in /r/all and the /r/gaming scum wandering all over Reddit to whine.

        Also, the OP is question is quite popular on SRD, usually pretty insightful when it comes to topics of race, I was disappointed to see them post dumb shit like this.

        [–]oleub 31 ポイント32 ポイント

        lmao at everyone trying so hard to pretend that they care about this because of journalistic ethics, because there is nothing more ethical that a harassment campaign that goes offline

        gamer boys are trash that are just slightly smart enough to realize that yelling that they hate her just because she's a woman and that means she's ruining gaming forevers and evers, they think that this faux indignation gives them credibility but everyone can tell, just like with femfreq every element about the way they are handling this makes it obvious what the real meaning of this is

        who in their right mind would trust 4chan to be mad at the right thing anyway?

        [–]pangerbone 4 ポイント5 ポイント

        I think a lot of the under 30 boy crowd would genuinely like to see a strong female presence in gaming, if mainly to reaffirm their choice of pastimes.

        The backlash is natural if you make that assumption... "I'm bending over backwards how dare you fuck with me"

        [–]nerdyheartbeat 42 ポイント43 ポイント

        This whole Zoey Quinn witch-hunt makes me ashamed to be a gamer. Brb gonna play Proteus until I get transported to that world and won't have to deal with this BS.

        [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント

        I had never heard of Proteus until it was included in this month's free Play Station Plus games.

        It's ungodly how relaxing that game is.

        [–]nerdyheartbeat 11 ポイント12 ポイント

        Definitely one of the most serene experiences I had during a video game. Me and my friend got baked a couple weekends ago and made him play it, we were both speechless walking through the world.

        Glad it's making waves and influencing games in the new generation (No Man Sky).

        [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント

        I'm so hyped for that game it's scaring me. I have no idea how it could possibly live up to my expectations.

        [–]lborgia¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -1 ポイント0 ポイント

        brb downloading

        [–]nerdyheartbeat 11 ポイント12 ポイント

        PS- If anyone can redirected me to a gaming reddit that isn't trash but still has a dedicated community, lemme know. kthanks bbys

        [–]riomhaireIT'S NOT FREE SPEECH UNLESS I'M FREE FROM CONSEQUENCES 10 ポイント11 ポイント

        /r/SRSGaming is still pretty active if not huge.

        [–]nulspace 8 ポイント9 ポイント

        /r/games is generally only marginally better than /r/gaming, but the way its handled the Zoe Quinn bullshit is miles better, and the comments in the sub's stickied thread are actually sane and rational for the most part.

        [–]The_Snig 1 ポイント2 ポイント

        How exactly did they handle it? I've trained myself to stay away from any discussion on a gaming forum that has to do with women so I kind of ignored that whole thing.

        [–]GearyDigit 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        /r/Pathfinder and /r/Pathfinder_RPG are pretty good, from what I can tell, but they're a bit narrow.

        [–]nerdyheartbeat 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        Are those just about pathfinder? Looking for one about gaming in general. Is r/SRSGaming any good?

        [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント

        I enjoy SRS gaming the most out of what I've found so far. I post there infrequently.

        I also peruse the other gaming subs, despite my best judgement (which is, coincidentally, how I stumbled across this post on SRD).

        [–]GearyDigit 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        Yeah, which is why they're a bit narrow.

        [–]cluelessperson 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        /r/Games is not social justice focussed at all, but mostly civil.

        [–]causticacrostici'm not an asshole, but *faaart* 8 ポイント9 ポイント

        they're civil until you bring up anything related to social justice. then they're just as bad, if not worse, than /r/gaming. just search for "sarkeesian"

        [–]cluelessperson 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        ok, fair. i only really browse gaming subs via my front page, so i miss a whole bunch of the drama

        [–]Rodivi8 30 ポイント31 ポイント

        Oh did another girl get popular in the gaming community? Time to complain about how mods are ruining a subreddit by censoring death threats towards her.

        [–]CryogenianIt is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a misandrist. 16 ポイント17 ポイント

        It seems like people are actually creating subreddits to keep this shit up. Top post in one of them right now: "So is this situation indicative of Reddit losing it's freedom of speech?"

        I'm not kidding either - a woman is receiving death threats, and it's all about freeze peeches. Such a fucking shitfest.

        [–]AzizAnstarmie 4 ポイント5 ポイント

        Is the government stopping you from saying something? No Your free speech rights are intact.

        [–]brdsetsfireOh I'm sorry was that misandry? 1 ポイント2 ポイント

        Have /r/gaming mods capitulated to the dictatorial demands of the SRS/Government/Sarkeesian cabal? Tune in at 11.

        [–]fartmouthbutt 7 ポイント8 ポイント

        I wish people weren't such shits because now the discussion is about how the internet is mysoginists who just hate her for being a woman in gaming and not about the frankly fucked up accusations in the blog post that kicked this whole thing off. People are shitty enough that they managed to become the story instead of "This person was emotionally abusive towards me." It's impressive and also sad.

        edit: For the record, I don't give the slightest shit about the gaming industry or the alleged nepotism or whatever, the only part that I care about is the accusations of abuse.

        [–]CriticalCold 6 ポイント7 ポイント

        I agree. Those chatlogs were blatantly abusive and manipulative. But no one is talking about that, it's just, "Ugh, what a s***!" Great job, guys.

        [–]fartmouthbutt 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        And on the other hand it's people working themselves into a lather over how this is just about revenge over cheating and it's like you guys are /still missing the point/

        [–]CriticalCold 3 ポイント4 ポイント

        I saw someone on tumblr going, "You don't deserve this, Zoe! You're my absolute hero!" And it's just... Everyone in this situation is kind of a piece of shit, you don't have to worship one of them.

        [–]fartmouthbutt 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        I get wanting there to be more visible women in the gaming industry, 100%. But do you (the general you not you specifically) really want to make this the hill you die on?

        [–]lborgia¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -1 ポイント0 ポイント

        But people ignore reasonableness. Or use it to crowbar in their bollocks.

        I try to be reasonable.

        I agree that cheating on your partner is a shitty thing to do.

        I haven't read the chatlogs cos that's some fucked up shit.

        I also think that making a public blog post about it when you knew how this shit would go down is fucked up.

        No one can hear me tho..............

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          [–]CriticalCold 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          And go through all that trouble to doctor all of those logs? Anyway, I tend to err on the side of believing the abused unless they do show psychopathic tendencies, as you said, which I don't think this ex did. In any case, if those logs were made up, don't you think Zoe would have said so? It would certainly save her a lot of trouble, and it doesn't make sense for her to just sit by and deal with doxxing and death threats without saying anything if all of this is fake.

          [–]GearyDigit -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

          Thing is, all those naked pictures of Zoe just 'happening' to be leaked out at the same time this is going on seems a bit too coincidental.

          Also, IIRC, Zoe did respond, basically stating she doesn't really have any obligation to go out against all this shit just to get into a he-said-she-said fight with her ex and her hatedom, which, frankly, I agree with.

          [–]lborgia¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          Woah, 'someone' leaked naked pics of her?

          That's really awful.

          [–]GearyDigit 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          I haven't looked into it myself, but that's what other SRSters have said. Apparently she used to do soft porn, and, if I recall correctly, there were around 200 leaked pictures.

          And the timing seems awfully convenient, if somebody wanted to wreck her image.

          [–]Gunvorsejl 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Did you manage to read them? I only got a few lines deep before my eyes glazed over and I started to wonder what I was doing with my life. What was particularly manipulative about it? And why should I give a shit and judge her for it?

          [–]NOTWorthless -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          There is a TL;DR that is less than half a page on the blog if you want to read the highlights of how fucked up she allegedly acted, although the actual chat logs give a much better view of how manipulative she was being IMO.

          As far as judgement, I don't know at what point the general shitty behavior of someone would lead you to judge them, but her behavior seemed consistent with the behavior of a sociopath. You probably shouldn't "give a shit" unless you have to deal with her on a personal level, but this certainly isn't someone worth looking up to or viewing as a martyr.

          [–]CriticalCold -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          Tons of lying, tons of "misremembering" and self-pity and general "I'm an awful person you should never talk to me again" to make him feel bad for her and then getting pissed when he expected her to actually make an effort to rebuild their trust. I don't know if you should care, but I generally refuse to respect or support people who are abusive, and this isn't just a cut and dry witch hunt for no reason, imo. Honestly I think people are sort of brushing this off because it's a woman abusing a man situation. I've seen male users on tumblr be ostracized for less, with less evidence, when it was revealed they were abusing their partners. TRP calling him a "beta" and other dudes mocking him is gross.

          Also, they established early on in their relationship that if a person is cheating, they are having sex with their partner without their consent. Thus, she was violating this man's consent for months, and she also claimed to have been tested for stds while cheating on him but refused to show him the results. And she guilted him into cutting off a friendship with another girl. Basically if you look up any "signs of an abusive relationship" checklist, the things she did hit a lot of them. She's an abuser, and that should not be tolerated or supported. I don't think it's any different from refusing to support or give money to people like Mel Gibson or whatever, or Alex Day being driven out of the YouTube community. She shouldn't be doxxed or sent death threats, obviously.

          [–]Gunvorsejl -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          Ok, that makes things more clear. Sounds pretty shitty. Maybe I'll give it another try.

          What I find funny is that no one seems to care that this dude posts heaps of their private fucking conversations online so that thousands of people start harassing her. If that isn't abusive I don't know what is.

          Note: It's not actually funny.

          [–]lborgia¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          Not only did she exist in the gaming community, she made a game that doesn't involve shooting brown people and is therefore a 'nongame'. The <insert slur here>

          [–]SRSPoopButt 6 ポイント7 ポイント

          I love how just everyone assumes this guy was right. That this guy was honest. That not only was he honest that she cheated, but that she cheated on him with these specific industry heads. It's not like the evidence he provided was exactly damning.

          Still, with such little evidence, everyone has jumped on her. Absolutely flooding her in harassment and hate. With just one persons side of the story, they feel justified in hating her for ruining the absolutely flawless and high-minded level of gaming journalism that is out there today just to promote her free game. I don't think George Lucas got it this bad after Star Wars Episode 1.

          ... Yet when it comes to rape victims, it's obvious you should always err on the side of not hurting men.

          [–]oleub 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          male exes are always the best source of info, they never make anything up

          women on the other hand make up everything, like when that [slur] called the cops on me for domestic violence

          that's just known logic

          [–]Gunvorsejl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          What I don't understand is this whole wizardchan thing that people keep posting. Apparently she says she was harassed by them and people have decided she made it up? I mean the first post calls her a cunt and a succubus and that she can't be depressed because how could someone who gets laid ever be depressed? FUCK YOU ASSHOLES THAT ISN'T HOW IT WORKS

          Note that I couldn't make it through the whole thing.

          [–]kLipsiS 9 ポイント10 ポイント

          I seriously hate neckbeards. If she was a man there would be 0 backlash and probably praise and encouragement for being so alpha

          [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント

          My best guess is that there would still be hate but they'd instead focus it on whatever female game journalists he was allegedly involved with.

          [–]RiskyChris(✿◕‿◕✿) 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          My best guess is that they've already driven any women out of the industry. Hard.

          [–]kLipsiS 5 ポイント6 ポイント

          Possibly. I just can't imagine a scenario where a man in gaming would get death threats for having sex with someone for a potential benefit. I'm sure there would be backlash but not to this extent.

          [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント

          My point is just that reddit loves to hate women more than they love to love men.

          [–]kLipsiS 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          This is unfortunately not exclusive to just reddit or even the internet.

          [–]AzizAnstarmie 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          I could see it happening with someone that isn't a white cis-gendered hetero man.

          [–]PersephonesEchoMayonnaise American 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          A cis male having sex with anyone is pretty much applauded by MRAs and their ilk, as far as I've seen.

          Edit: If the anyone is a cis female - what was I thinking.

          [–]GaiusOctavian8 2 ポイント3 ポイント

          If it were a man, the headline would be "female gaming journalist accuses developer of sexual harassment; why can't we flirt anymore feminists are ruining everything omg"

          [–]808sand 2 ポイント3 ポイント

          I think the thing that proves your point is that no one seems to be mad at the game reviewers who are just as guilty of whatever weird nonsense is going on here as she is

          [–]SuchPowerfulAllyDrop BRDs on 'em 7 ポイント8 ポイント

          Nooooo not /u/yungsnuggie. I like that guy :(

          [–]Raykuza#NOTALLREDDIT 9 ポイント10 ポイント

          I already knew who it was when I read the title. Every once in a while he'll say some tactless shit like this and it'll get posted here. Both SRS and HHCJ hate him, but I still like him though.

          [–]808sand 7 ポイント8 ポイント

          Yeah the way he seems to explain racial issues to the average fambruh outweighs weird shit like this IMO

          [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

          [–]SuchPowerfulAllyDrop BRDs on 'em 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          Oh god dammit.

          [–]notmyreal_acct 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          Don't worry, you can still like him even if he disagrees with your methods. I checked the sidebar there's no rule against it. :)

          [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント

          All hail the sidebar

          [–]notmyreal_acct 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          All snail the sidebar.

          [–]KPrimusSocial Justice Swordsage 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          If Zoe had posted the same stuff her ex did going the other way I guarantee the reaction would be "what a crazy b*tch." But a dude does it and suddenly it's ok.

          [–]Gunvorsejl 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Can someone expain to me what this whole subset of the debacle is about? The guy from fine young capitalists is defending himself I'm just not sure from what and I'd like to hear another side of the story beyond his.

          [–]12hatchAssigned misandrist at birth 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          i dont know. . . but

          reddit.txt

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            [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

            /r/SubredditDrama is where I found this shitty comment. Any game community drama aside, it's a shitty thing to victim blame.

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              [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

              Sorry, I'm not terribly familiar with SRD. I've heard of it before but I only really stumbled upon it when I was searching for why the submission to /r/gaming had all the comments deleted.

              [–]Sir_Marcussworn brother of the White Knights -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

              Is SRD low hanging fruit?

              [–]FemShep_BestShep[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

              It's not mentioned in the list of subreddits to avoid.

              [–]SRScreenshotwow -1 ポイント0 ポイント

              "i dont know who this "zoey quinn" chick is, but i'll bet my bottom dollar she got a fat ass u dont crumble a billion dollar industry unless u got some cakes"


              In reply to /u/WorldOneWon on "/r/gaming mods are deleting every comment that is made on one of their top posts that about a topic that reddit is suppressing.":

              Why didn't we learn anything from Helen of Troy?

              At 2014-08-19 14:43:52 UTC, /u/YungSnuggie wrote [+114 points: +114, -0]:

              i dont know who this "zoey quinn" chick is, but i'll bet my bottom dollar she got a fat ass

              u dont crumble a billion dollar industry unless u got some cakes

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