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[–]hushzone 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Look dude it's pretty clear you have a very limited understanding of what her domain is which is being an entertainer/pop star. The fact that you compare her intelligence to the that of a scientist shows that you didn't really read my post very clearly and instead decided to come at me from your pre decided position instead of actually considering what I said.

Your view of intelligence is incredibly narrow. I explained in the very first paragraph of the post you commented on that "smartest person in the room" the room refers to ENTERTAINERS NOT SCIENTISTS. The intelligence required to be a captivating, successful pop entertainer is NOT the same as the intelligence required to be an "average scientist." Apples and oranges dude. They aren't comparable. The average scientist does not have the intelligence/skill/talent required to put on a show that captivates millions just as Miley probably can't draw a simple lewis dot structure.

When referring to Miley as the smartest person in the room we mean she is brilliant at positioning and commoditizing herself in the media. If you deny this, you either don't really understand the world she operates in and what she is going for or you have an incredibly compelling argument that I'd love to hear. But based on your reactionary comment i'm guessing it's the former.

Yes I am intellectualizing her VMA performance and calling what she does art. I am very confused how you could possible deny this. I think you might be confusing "art" with "art that appeals to my sensibilities, tastes, and generally falls under things I like." You can't deny what she does is art simply bc you don't like it. Not really valid grounds. You can certainly argue it's bad art. But it's still art.

The only way you can convincingly argue that what she does isn't art is if you can show it's mindless and without thought, but if you go back and rewatch her VMA performance, this clearly isn't the case. Take a look at all the choices that had to be made - the wardrobe, the aesthetics of the teddy bears, the lighting, her hair/makeup. Do you think she and her team just threw that shit together with no forethought and planning for a desired effect to illicit in her audience watching?

Again this comes back to the fact that I don't think you understand how to explicate a performance. Don't worry - most people don't as evidenced by the world at large's reaction. No one commented on the fact that Miley's nude outfit is clearly meant to to reflect the nude women in the Blurred Lines Video. Thicke is wearing is outfit from the music video of the other song her performs which has a high school/football vibe. The foam finger is also part of tying the aesthetic of that other Robin Thicke song.

My point in talking about he wardrobe is that the whole point of the performance was not just to make a spectacle of herself - there is a lot more going into it. I think their main point was to tie all three video styles together into a live performance. Don't get me wrong - spectacle is a hugely important part of any VMA performance - and she and Robin Thicke fucking nailed it. Seriously go back an rewatch all those music videos and please come back to me and tell me how you would tie the three styles of those music videos together into a live performance.

Lastly - yes I think she either came up with the plan or she is very involved in the process of the plan. Do you have any particular evidence to contradict this notion or are you blindly operating off of your assumptions of Miley Cyrus as a manufactured Disney pop princess?

[–]yeepperg -1 ポイント0 ポイント

HAHAHAHAH...Im not reading all that. You're fucking crazy. We're talking about Miley Cyrus. Get help.

Now write me a short screed telling me what a dick I am for passing on that novella. lol reddit.

[–]hushzone 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Not really surprised you're passing on my novella - just confirms my initial assessment of you as someone who is stuck in his/her opinions and not really interested in employing any critical thinking or considering other povs. Stay ignorant pal. lol reddit indeed.

[–]yeepperg 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Ya, pal...I'll totally stay ignorant on the intelligence on Miley Cyrus and her place in the world.

And talk about someone stuck in his/her opinions...lol. Sorry to break it to you but you don't hold the truth and people don't have to buy into your opinions. Hope you can handle it.

[–]hushzone 1 ポイント2 ポイント

No they certainly don't have to buy into them, you're right, but it would be great if they actually engaged with the thoughts and provide reasoning for their own thoughts.

I don't see myself as some harbinger of truth - but you've provided no reasoning for any of your opinions. You just blindly believe with no actual thought process.

I think you're out of your element on this one - you don't seem to really understand what goes into being a pop artist at such a high level of exposure.

[–]yeepperg -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I don't need to read a novella length screed because you're upset that I don't take Miley fucking Cyrus seriously. This isn't Shakespeare or Mozart we're discussing here.

but you've provided no reasoning for any of your opinions.

I most definitely have...you just don't want to accept them...just confirms my initial assessment of you as someone who is stuck in his/her opinions and not really interested in employing any critical thinking or considering other povs.

I think you're out of your element on this one

holy fuck...the cringe. The harbinger of truth speaks yet again! lol

you don't seem to really understand what goes into being a pop artist at such a high level of exposure.

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH. K

You need to get off the internet...have a cup of tea....read a book.

[–]hushzone 1 ポイント2 ポイント

again art doesn't just refer to things as elevated as mozart or Shakespeare. Just bc she's not on this level doesn't mean she's not creating a form of art with her music, videos, and performances.

What exactly was your reasoning? It seems like it was just "srsly bro? Miley Cyrus isn't as smart as an average scientist. Her performance is just attention seeking act. Skank." You really haven't addressed why what Miley Cyrus does isn't art or addressed my concerns that you aren't really understanding where her VMA performance comes from. Much of your opinion really stems from you not liking Miley Cyrus and resenting anyone who suggests that she is brilliant at succeeding as a pop artist. Again you have provided no evidence or any view that coherently dispels the notion that she is a brilliant media manipulator and pop artist. It's kind of a testament to her that you have so bought into her "I'm a crazy out of control skank" shtick.

It just doesn't seem like you've thought much about it, which is fine - pop music might not be your thing. Fine - but I wouldn't take such a strong stance if I didn't really understand the realm I was talking about.

Can you give me more than 2 or 3 examples of a pop artists you thought positioned his or herself and commoditized his/her image more successfully than Miley Cyrus last year? Beyonce is crushing it this year but I think last year was Miley's. People are still referring to her VMA performance nearly a year out. Pretty brilliant.

[–]yeepperg -1 ポイント0 ポイント

"art"...!!! lol...you need to learn how to deal with differing opinions without freaking out and labeling people. Nobody cares....get a grip. I feel bad for you, son.

[–]hushzone 1 ポイント2 ポイント

uhh you're the one that originally responded to my comment telling me how very wrong I was for agreeing that Miley is "the smartest person in the room."

And you're actually intellectualizing a VMA awards performance (or whatever show it was)? Dude, get over yourself. She's a pop star who is making a spectacle of herself.

Pretty sure you're guilty of not being able to deal with people with different opinions without freaking out. I don't mind when people disagree with me or even freak out on me. I would prefer they do so with something interesting to say but eh.

[–]yeepperg -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Umm, no...you replied to my comment. I accidentally deleted it.

And the quote you used is me putting this discussion in its proper perspective....you're freaking out over Miley Cyrus and you couldn't deal with my original opinion or my response to your asinine comment....then go on to tell me I can't deal with differing opinions. lol

Get a life (I know, its useless advice)

[–]NegroNoodle2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

A TL;DR of what he basically said:

You're wrong

[–]yeepperg -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Im wrong about an opinion....an opinion about Miley Cyrus? K.

lol reddit.