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Icelandic Girls Can't be Called Harriet, Govt Tells Family- Authorities reluctant to renew passport of Harriet, 10, as name is not on approved list of 3,565 (smithsonianmag.com)
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[–]dfmz 641 ポイント642 ポイント643 ポイント 5 時間 前
As much as I agree with courts refusing some creepy, historically challenging or outright stupid names, this is taking the preservation of Icelandic national identity a little too far, especially considering the children are citizens of two different countries.
[–]trastermole -44 ポイント-43 ポイント-42 ポイント 4 時間 前
Said like a person who has never lived in Iceland. If you know much about their culture, you would understand why this is needed and supported by the huge majority of the population there.
[–]askur 56 ポイント57 ポイント58 ポイント 4 時間 前*
This is considered stupid and unnecessary by mostly everyone here. Almost every year this institution reaches the news because of whimsical decisions on what names are and are not allowed. Almost every year nobody cares, except the people who get told what they can or cannot name their children, by the state.
Source: 28 years of living in Iceland.
[–]Tylzen 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3 時間 前
~3.500 names aren't that many.
I think our list of approved female names are about 10.000 here in Denmark
[–]WittiestScreenName 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前
What name did you get?
[–]Hjortur95 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前
Probably Askur or Áskell judging by his username
Source: my name is my username too
[–]gudlogi 30 ポイント31 ポイント32 ポイント 4 時間 前
It's not supported by a huge majority of us. This law is considered an ancient relic of a system where the political/ruling class needed to 1) control most - if not all - aspects of our lives and 2) needed to create cozy jobs for the political/ruling class's friends and families.
I can't find any link at the moment but IIRC about 2/3 of us Icelanders want this law repealed and the special department that sifts through names to be disbanded.
[–]TRAIANVS -16 ポイント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント 3 時間 前
It has nothing to do with controlling people and everything to do with preserving our language. There is no standard conjugation for 'Harriet' in Icelandic.
[–]cfuse 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 3 時間 前
So Icelandic is a non-adaptive language? What happens when new concepts and objects come into being? Is an airplane a 'sky-boat' or some other nonsense?
[–]TRAIANVS 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 2 時間 前
We do our best to create new words for modern concepts. For example 'computer' is 'tölva', a composite of 'tölur' which means 'numbers' and 'völva' which means 'seer'. Our word for airplane literally translates to 'flying machine'. Sometimes we reuse archaic words. E.g. 'sími' once meant 'thread' but it now means 'telephone'. Sometimes we use foreign words as a base, like our word for 'car' is 'bíll' which is derived from 'automobile', but the formal term is 'bifreið' which is a "purely" Icelandic word.
Icelandic is such a unique language in that it's practically the same as it was a thousand years ago. It would be a great shame if it were to go extinct.
[–]MartinSchou 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 2 時間 前
Our word for airplane literally translates to 'flying machine'.
Same in Danish. "Flyvemaskine" - flyve = fly, maskine = machine. Abbreviated to "flyver" or "flier".
[–]ZannityZan 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前
Does that preservation really have to apply to names, though? Surely names and the conjugation surrounding them are only a tiny part of any language. Denying someone a passport on grounds such as those just seems ridiculous to me.
[–]TRAIANVS 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前
The Naming Committee has been known to overreact at times. There are a few ways to bypass them though. IIRC immigrants and children with neither parent a native do not have to go through the Naming Committee. If one parent is native Icelandic and the other is not I think an Icelandic middle name is sufficient.
Maybe those rules are a bit too strict, but I think the existence of the committee is not inherently a bad thing.
[–]BoneHead777 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前
Airplane isn't much better than sky boat if you think about it.
[–]jabask 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前
Sort of
[–]Negative_Mojo 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前
How does that work? I can conjugate words in english that aren't supposed to be conjugated and still kinda get my point across. Like lamp, lamped, has lamped, will lamp, lamping, you done got lamped, etc.
You can't do similar word magic in Icelandic?
[–]dfmz 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 4 時間 前
You have a point, but there's a problem with your logic: if what you say is true and a huge majority supports the law (and thus can be assumed to spontaneously name their children with Icelandic names), then the vast majority of Icelandic kids carry on the traditional naming tradition with little to no risk to said national identity. That would mean that the law isn't really necessary, wouldn't it?
[–]Bedeone -25 ポイント-24 ポイント-23 ポイント 4 時間 前
It only takes a small core of non-followers to ruin it all. Then again, majority rule or something. But THEN again, go live somewhere that is not Iceland if you don't want to follow the culture.
[–]humansdotget_i 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 3 時間 前
What the hell are you talking about, ruin it for everybody?! If enough people want to call their kids non traditional names for it to be noticeable, then already you must have a decent portion of the population against the law. This is the flaw in logic the guy you replied to was referring to.
[–]fucrate 29 ポイント30 ポイント31 ポイント 4 時間 前
Two things, read up on tyranny of the majority, and how the fuck does somebody with a weird name "ruin it all"?
[–]Gibletoid 29 ポイント30 ポイント31 ポイント 3 時間 前
You haven't met Harriet.
[–]cfuse 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 3 時間 前
Harriet, destroyer of Iceland.
[–]demostravius -11 ポイント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント 3 時間 前
They have kids and choose Anglo names due to their opt out, their kids have kids, etc. Next thing you know the Anglo names are common enough to have to enter the list of accepted names.
Guess that is the logic anyway. One person with a funny name won't ruin it, but it's stepping the toe over the line.
[–]UrbanToiletShrimp 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前
We must keep the race pure!
[–]Bedeone -12 ポイント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント 3 時間 前
Then again, majority rule or something.
Yes, I did indeed touch on that in a very concise manner.
Either the majority is happy, or everyone is unhappy.
[–]rajamaka 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 3 時間 前
Iceland doesn't give a fuck about minorities.
Noted.
[–]Bedeone -7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 3 時間 前
It's conservation of national identity for a country that already is as small as it is. With 300.000 inhabitants it takes a whole three generations to get rid of any and all of that.
[–]rajamaka 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 3 時間 前*
Some would say it is not the role of the government to impose cultural values through coercion, and the right of an individual to decide how to live and what values to pass on through their own family. Maybe I am just crazy though for not requiring a government to dictate the way to live my life as to not upset tradition.
[–]Bedeone -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 2 時間 前
Well that's good for you, I hope you live in a place and situation where you can pursue such a life.
[–]Dwnvtngthdmms 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 4 時間 前
Is the culture there super weak or almost non-existent or something?
[–]demostravius 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 3 時間 前
Cultural strength is based almost entirely on simplicity and population size. Iceland is a small nation, of course it's culture will suffer in a world of globalisation.
[–]JeffTheJourno 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 3 時間 前
Like every tiny culture in the first world, increasing globalization is slowly disintegrating it as more Icelanders learn English, live in other parts of the world, intermarry, etc...
[–]bjt23 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2 時間 前
Boo hoo you guys don't have traditional holidays, food, or sports over there?
[–]Kuges 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 58 分 前
They have this
[–]bjt23 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 26 分 前
That looks like a strong healthy culture that isn't going anywhere anytime soon no matter how many people there get named Harriet.
[–]baddroid 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前*
We could easily make it so they're not allowed to leave and not allowed to marry out. Sort all their problems out.
Iceland for the Icelanders: we just impose a 50 km limit and sink any boats and aircraft attempting to leave.
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