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EVERYDAY FEMINISM

Let’s Talk About Thin Privilege

by Melissa A. Fabello
Source: About-Face
Source: About-Face
I am five-foot-four, 125 pounds.
My measurements are 36-28-38.
I wear size medium shirts, size seven jeans, and (in case you were wondering) size eight shoes.
I have never walked into a clothing store unable to find items in my size.
I have never been asked to pay more for a seat on an airplane.
I have never had someone dismiss me as a dating prospect based on my body type, nor had someone scoff, openly, while watching me eat French fries in public.
I have never experienced a doctor dismissing my concerns with a “lose weight, feel great!” remedy.
And I can open an article with my measurements without fear of judgment.
I walk through this world as a thin person.
And as such, I have never experienced fat discrimination.
That said, I want you to know two things:
1. I am writing this article from a privileged perspective; and
2. I am not here to damn, guilt, or embarrass thin people.
But I think we need to have a talk.
Because it’s so easy to fall back on tired old excuses for why we’re not privileged – and I see this a lot when the topic of thin privilege is broached.
 “How can I have thin privilege? I feel like shit about my body all the time! That’s not privilege! Besides, someone called me out on my ‘chicken legs’ the other day, and how is that different from calling someone fat? And I’m only thin anyway because I have an eating disorder, and trust me, that is not a privilege.”
And I hear what you’re saying.
But I think it’s time for us to look at these excuses (and how they don’t hold up in the grand scheme of things) a little more closely.

Grievances vs. Oppression

Let me start off by saying this: Having your feelings hurt sucks.
And I would never tell you to just “suck it up” or “get over it.”
Because yes, sticks and stones may break your bones, but damn it, words really can hurt you. And so can the general attitudes and behaviors of others.
I’m not here to tell you that your personal grievances don’t matter.
Rather, I’m here to put those feelings into perspective.
Because personal emotional impacts simply are not the same as oppression.
Oppression involves “the systematic subjugation of a group of people by another group of people who have access to social power, the result of which benefits one group over the other, and is maintained by social beliefs and practices.”
In other words, oppression is a special kind of problem.
Here are four reasons why:

1. It is pervasive.

It is woven throughout social institutions, as well as embedded within individual consciousness.
For example, if you make a “fat joke,” everyone around you is going to understand it – because the cultural belief that fat is something to laugh at is widespread.

2. It is restricting.

Structural limits significantly shape a person’s life chances and sense of possibility in ways beyond the individual’s control.
Take a look at these examples of thin privilege. By virtue of not having access to these privileges, the lives of larger people are limited.

3. It is hierarchical.

Dominant or privileged groups benefit, often in unconscious ways, from the disempowerment of subordinated or targeted groups.
Think of the example that I gave earlier about not being passed over as a dating prospect. I benefit from fat discrimination because I’m more likely to have my OKCupid message opened since I have ‘Thin’ or ‘Average’ checked off in the ‘Body Type’ box. I’m more likely to get a date.

4. The dominant group has the power to define and name reality.

That is, they determine the status quo: what is “normal,” “real,” or “correct.”
Take a look at (almost) any store window mannequins or fashion magazine. If thinness is heralded as the status quo, then that continues to put thin people in positions of power when it comes to determining what “average” (or “preferable”) is.
When you have hurt feelings – legitimate as they are – it isn’t the result of subjugation.
The negative attitudes toward you as a privileged person aren’t pervasive, restricting, or hierarchal.
You aren’t losing out on anything just because someone’s words, actions, or beliefs had an emotional impact on you.
And when you move past it – even if it takes years of work, which it very well may – that’s it. It’s over.
Oppression doesn’t work the same way.
Oppression never goes away because everywhere you go, everything you see, and everyone you know reiterates and reinforces it.
And that’s a significant difference.

But Thin People Can Hate Their Bodies

I made a video this summer called ‘How to Get a Bikini Body.’ It repeated the oft-seen-on-social-media body-positive mantra “Put a bikini on your body!” theme.
And people were quick to comment that my message lost its meaning because my body adheres to societal beauty standards. “Easy for you to say,” they said.
And this pissed me off.
Because I wanted to be like, “Well, thin people can hate their bodies, too, ya know! Just because you think it’s ‘perfect’ doesn’t mean that I don’t struggle with it!”
But then I realized that they were right.
Because here’s the thing: Can a thin person have body image struggles? Can a thin person be at war with their self-image? Can a thin person hate to look in the mirror?
Absolutely.
And does that suck?
Absolutely.
But the difference between these negative feelings and fatphobia is this: The only person worrying about whether or not I’m meeting beauty standards is me.
And that’s not the same for fat folk.
When you’re not thin, other people on the beach actually do take offense. When you’re not thin, people really do think that you shouldn’t be in a bathing suit. When you’re not thin, people really do make your body their moral obligation.
And while your internal struggle is real and significant, the point is: You might hate your body, but society doesn’t.
That’s thin privilege.

But—But—But—Skinny-Shaming!

Before you worry that I’m going to disregard or otherwise undermine the bullying involved in skinny-shaming, let me reassure you: I’m not going to do that.
Let me address here and now (and loudly) that no one should ever be shamed for their body. I believe whole-heartedly that the body-positive community needs to be open to all body types. And absolutely, it is problematic that people engage in making fun of thin bodies.
I would never tell you that jabs at your “chicken legs” or insinuations (or outright proclamations) that you must have an eating disorder aren’t hurtful or that their effects aren’t far-reaching.
Because they are.
But what I am going to argue is this: As horrible as skinny-shaming is (and it is!), what makes it different is that it does not involve a pervasive fear or hatred of thin bodies.
And while its personal effects are certainly influential, it is not restrictive on a social level.
Let me be clear on two theories that explain how skinny-shaming is fundamentally different from fat-shaming:

1. Skinny-Shaming as a Response to Fat-Shaming

Have you ever heard the supposed-to-be-empowering phrase “Real Women Have Curves?” What about the cringe-worthy assertion that “Only Dogs Want Bones?”
Thin people aren’t really crazy about these. Obviously.
Real women are such because they identify as women, curves or not. And referring to someone’s partner as a dog just because they like someone’s body is degrading. Right?
Right.
But these types of reclamations of fat pride wouldn’t need to exist if fat-shaming wasn’t a thing.
These types of phrases and attitudes were born of a need to say “I’m beautiful, too!” They’re responses to social norms.
And while you can argue that they’re misguided, they’re actually challenging fatphobia.
And while you certainly shouldn’t encourage them if they feel like put-downs, what you need to remember about these phrases, in the words of Lindy West is, “’I’m proud to be fat’ is still a radical statement. ‘I’m proud to be thin’ is the status quo.’”

2. Skinny-Shaming as Rooted in Sexism

It’s absolutely true that regardless of what our bodies look like, society polices them.
And that’s because patriarchal structures benefit from this policing.
And arguably, skinny-shaming is rooted in this type of sexism.
Society wants you to recognize that being thin is “in” – but not too thin, not that thin – because the goal is to keep you insecure.
Take a look at any tabloid cover.
The “So-and-So Has Cellulite!” headline is right next to the “Does So-and-So Have an Eating Disorder?” story. And they both convey the same message: “Ew! Gross!”
For fuck’s sake, we just can’t win.
And not to go all conspiracy theory on you, but that’s exactly what they want.
They (and you can insert anyone you want here for “they” – society, the media, the dieting industry, the executive board for Patriarchy, Inc.) want women to continue to chase after unattainable goals.
But the difference is that the discrimination that fat people experience is at the intersection of sexism and fatphobia.
That is, there’s another layer to it.
So while, yes, shaming anyone is wrong and bad and sexist, fat-shaming is rooted in extra factors that skinny-shaming is not.
So they’re not the same.

Well, I Have an Eating Disorder, So ‘Privilege’ Doesn’t Apply to Me

The blog This Is Thin Privilege details, “When we explain that thin privilege exists despite eating-disordered status, we’ve had thin people with [eating disorders] take offense.”
And I get why that is.
Because having an eating disorder is serious.
And when you feel trapped in and controlled by your body, when you’ve reached that level of self-consciousness, when you’re suffering every single day just to make it through, it’s unlikely that you’ll feel like you’re experiencing privilege.
Because an eating disorder feels like a curse.
But, as This Is Thin Privilege explains, “I think it’s important to note that disability is its own underprivileged status, and in this case, thin people with [eating disorders] are conflating the oppression they feel for lacking able-bodied privilege with a negation of their thin privilege.”
That is: The marginalization that you experience as a person living with an eating disorder is a result of the disorder, not a result of your body.
You experience illness. You experience stigma. You experience symptoms and effects of your disorder.
But that doesn’t negate your thin privilege.
A Man of Color can experience racism and still benefit from his male privilege. An able-bodied woman can experience sexism and still benefit from her able-bodied privilege. A poor white farmer can experience classism and still benefit from his white privilege.
A person with an eating disorder can experience ableism and still benefit from their thin privilege.
Being marginalized in one area doesn’t negate your privilege in another.
Privilege can be a difficult thing to talk about. It’s easy to feel defensive when you mistake someone’s asking you to check your privilege for their making assumptions about your life.
But the bottom line that we have to remember is this: Are my negative experiences related to my body grievances, or are they pervasive issues on a societal level?
And if you have your thin privilege in check, you’ll be better able to recognize that most of the time, these issues fall into the former category.
Melissa A. Fabello, Editor of Everyday Feminism, is a domestic violence prevention and sexuality educator, eating disorder and body image activist, and media literacy vlogger based out of Philadelphia. She enjoys rainy days, Jurassic Park, and the occasional Taylor Swift song and can be found on YouTube and Tumblr. She holds a B.S. in English Education from Boston University and an M.Ed. in Human Sexuality from Widener University. She can be reached on Twitter @fyeahmfabello. Read her articles here and book her for speaking engagements here.
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  • Michelle Petit · Top Commenter · Athens, Georgia
    This was good, in part because I could see you struggle to put into words how this was NOT about making thinner people feel bad. Thank you for this thoughtful post. I see it as a positive.
    • Neely Van Dorp-Vaughn · Works at Oak Hill Farm
      I actually considered responding to this until I saw the "what if a white person wanted to work for the black panthers" question. Sigh.
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      · 37 · November 20, 2013 at 9:51pm
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    • Thalia Lemon · Top Commenter
      Neely Van Dorp-Vaughn: You got that far? I got as far as "Although I agree... the problem is that *she doesn't consider that in life there are many types of privileges*"
      Full stop. He didn't read the article. He just didn't read it, and he's looking for someone to say "You're oppressed too! We hear you!" even though the entire article is saying exactly what he's complaining it didn't say.
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      · 44 · November 21, 2013 at 1:35am
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    • Diane Maenad Schluter · Houston, Texas
      Ian Andrew Bowers you said"the problem with her article is that she doesn't consider that in life there are many types of privileges people can have over one another"

      The article says - "A Man of Color can experience racism and still benefit from his male privilege. An able-bodied woman can experience sexism and still benefit from her able-bodied privilege. A poor white farmer can experience classism and still benefit from his white privilege.
      A person with an eating disorder can experience ableism and still benefit from their thin privilege.
      Being marginalized in one area doesn't negate your privilege in another."

      Which is pretty much addressing that directly. However, it sounds like where you are really going is that you want your grievances, as a member of a privileged group, to count equally with they systemic oppression of non-privileged groups. Here's the thing. EVERYWHERE is the "safe space" for privilege. Everywhere, is where it gets to be heard, where it gets to be default. Non-privilege has to carve out a space for itself. A space to say, here- in this place- we get to talk, our voices are what matter and we can support each other. And privilege being asked to respect that little island of space, when they have EVERYTHING else, isn't oppression, it's common frikkin decency.
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      · 71 · November 21, 2013 at 3:02am
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  • Annie Rose Johnson · Lancaster University
    This was really good! Nice to see an article regarding weight/ body image which doesn't shame anyone. This was something my mother used to say to me when I was going through the (what seems to be standard) teenage 'body-hate' phase: "You can see all the problems and faults with your appearance, but other-people can't." I do find it sad that slimmer people are automatically judged prettier/sexier than larger women. I know so many women who I'd say are gorgeous but society says aren't just because they're above a size UK12 (yes, 12. Really. TWELVE).
    • Michèle Spandow · Top Commenter
      When I was growing up, 12 was the average. Now it's a plus size, which is really depressing. I used to have a chart which took height into consideration. I apologise for only remembering the heights which applied to me (I was still growing), but 5ft 8" was supposed to be a size 12, 5ft 9" a 14, and 5ft 10" a 16. It's a poor way of measuring obesity anyway, as even without my medical condition, I had to buy my tops at least a size too big. This was to accommodate my long arms and to stop the buttons gaping. There is no way on this earth that a G cup will fit into anything smaller than an 18. That's my experience anyway. You can get tops tailored in places like bravissimo and curvissa, but they cost a fortune. That's why clothes sizes on profiles (e.g.I only want to talk to women size 12/14) is pretty meaningless.
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      · 7 · August 9 at 7:59pm
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    • Marcia Friedman Malory · Top Commenter · Works at Freelance Writer
      I wear a UK size 8/10 (US 4/6). There is a discount store near me that has very old clothing size chart, must be from the 1950s or something. According to the chart, I wear a size 14. I once tried on a vintage dress and couldn't get a size 12 over my boobs. Clothing sizes don't mean the same things they used to.
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      · 3 · 19 hours ago
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    • Ashley Marie Colvin · Top Commenter · Employee at Old Navy
      The thing is with buying vintage clothing you will either find sizes really small or really big. Clothing used to be passed down in lower classes and so if the clothing was too small or too big it would just go into storage. Which is why when you go to museums that have authentic clothing they are usually very tinny there was no one to pass it down to so they stayed in really good condition.

      Retail clothing is what really has changed the most. I'm a Fashion Design major and the clothing sizes in retail are two to three sized bigger than what we make....it's really annoying actually i really hate it -_-;; For the US anyway i think UK sizes are more true to size.

      Depending on your body type too also depends on how things fit too >< Ugh so much stuff i can say that can help but it's hard seeing as the average retail store sales to one body type. Which is the most uncommon . The "I" body type which you can see on most models.
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  • Kate Morgan · Leeds
    Not too sure how I feel about this article. I have read it several times now and still, I am just not sure whether I agree with the underlying 'motto' that it is communicating and just really dislike the language it uses (using words such as 'fat' and 'thin privilege' just entrench the negative connotations of these words further), or if I am not fully supportive of her statements. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts.
    • Evan C. Paul · Top Commenter · Collaborative Pianist/Piano Accompanist at Self employed · 134 followers
      That's interesting, because I know many people who call themselves "fat" as an acceptance and thus as an empowerment, because they don't see the word as inherently negative.
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      · 107 · October 25, 2013 at 8:34am
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    • Vanessa Findlay · Leeds Metropolitan University
      I am unsure to be honest. I can see the point that she is trying to make but I think it creates the "them" and "us" attitude, or reinforces it. How is it supposed to be decided whether a person falls in to the thin or fat category? Whether they are thin-privileged or not? Is there a weight cut off? or is it down to perception?
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      · 49 · October 25, 2013 at 8:35am
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    • Shannon Ridgway · Top Commenter · Yankton, South Dakota
      The cutoff--at least, the societal cutoff--is whether or not you can walk into any store and find your size easily. So, for women, that translates to about a U.S. size 14. Anything above that is considered fat, according to societal/patriarchal expectations (not necessarily personal opinions on fat vs. thin).
      Also, I see your point on the "us" vs. "them", but I don't think that was Melissa's intention. I think she was simply referring to "fat" vs. "thin" as they already exist as created by societal standards.
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      · 92 · October 25, 2013 at 4:43pm
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  • Elen Woderose · Top Commenter · Deputy Herald; Raven's Bard at Barony of Thescorre
    The thing is that size medium/7 in jeans/8 in shoes isn't particularly outsize. She doesn't have thin privilege. She has average privilege. "I have never walked into a clothing store unable to find items in my size." Yeah? I do. All the time. And while I could argue that it's a result of the illness that got me here, that doesn't change the fact that I am stuck hunting for clothing AND shoes in the kids' section (because very few shops carry a decent stock of women's 5s).

    The argument is more outsize vs. appropriate-size privilege in a lot of cases: who's conforming the best? Who's the most correct? Unless you're tall and model-pretty, there's not a whole lot of benefit in getting this thin, either.
    • Tom Allmendinger · Vice Chair at Official ANCEA/Sakura-Con
      My inseam is an odd number, and not made at my waist size (38/33) add in the 13 W shoes (finding non slip work shoes is a chore at times)
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      · October 25, 2013 at 4:19pm
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    • Heidi Rempel
      ""I have never walked into a clothing store unable to find items in my size." However, if you were out and about and had, oh, some awful accident where you spilled something awful all over yourself and desperately needed something to wear, you could find something that would physically fit on your body in basically every clothing store, even if it was way too large. A fat person, however, cannot guarantee that.
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      · 129 · October 26, 2013 at 5:06pm
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    • Abigail Nussey · Technical Project Manager at Wolfram Research, Inc.
      But have you had to pay double to fly? Is there a War on Thin People? Are thin people being blamed for everything from climate change to the recent recessions in the States and elsewhere? Are you in danger of having your children taken away from you because it's assumed you'll be abusive to them solely based on the size of your body? Are there adoption regulations (public and private) that state that thin people, even very thin people, can't adopt? Are thin people, even very thin people, more often than not told that if you just gain weight, all your health problems will go away (again, not related to an eating disorder, but simply to body size in a vacuum)? Are 60% of medical professionals biased against your body size, finding people like you 'noncompliant' and 'gross'? Are your potential romantic interests told from childhood that people like you are out-of-control, terrible, ugly mates that are both undesirable sexually and emotionally? Are health classes in public schools being geared towards viewing your body size as a disease? Is your body size classified as a disease by the AMA? Is there a 65 billion dollar weight gain industry? Is the first lady of the US running a campaign about eradicating kids with your body type by a few decades from now?

      Thin privilege isn't just about clothing size. Not nearly. That's the least of it. And the fact that you think it's just about clothing size proves how much thin privilege you have.
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      · 341 · October 26, 2013 at 8:34pm
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  • Sarah Ashley
    It would be interesting to read thoughts on how "thin" women are often put down by comments from "average," "big, beautiful," or "extra beautiful" women. I am not arguing the premise of this article; simply advocating that all sides be put into conversation and out for consideration.
    I see so much (very good!) affirmation of all female body types out there!
    I also see medically-based, considerately-presented information on how certain lifestyles (not looks or jean sizes!) lead to longer, healthier lifespans - criticized as being judgmental, shaming, or "unrealistic."
    Because, "real women have curves!"
    It would be deplorable of me to treat an individual differently in person-to-person interaction, simply because she is larger or heavier than I am.
    ...it would be just as deplorable, in the name of "affirming real womanhood!", for someone to treat me differently in those same interactions simply because I am of a more athletic build, or make different choices _for myself_ regarding lifestyle and habits. [I am speaking apart from chronic medical issues or eating disorders, in both regards]

    I'm most interested in examining and conversing about how women view/label other women. There should be ways to talk about health, talk about size (if anyone really wants to!), and talk about the labels all sides apply to others, in an open & affirming way.
     
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  • me (signed in using yahoo)
    It's interesting to see the same exact types of semantics, off-kilter oppression olympics, pseudo-criticisms, self-disqualifications, methods of avoidance, derailing, and outright dismissal that Men's Rights Activists use in their response to well-thought-out discussions of male privilege, used by feminists, when discussing the privileges that often apply to some or all white feminists, such as thin privilege, or far more frequently, and more seriously, white privilege. I kind of wish I got some sort of schadenfreude based pleasure out of it, but really it's just depressing.
    • Jackie Rose · Top Commenter
      The only pleasure that can be gained from reading such a declaration of insanity, is to be greatful you're not suffering like them.
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      · 2 · November 21, 2013 at 12:27am
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    • Justin Peters · Top Commenter · Works at Pizza Hut
      The only reason it's interesting is because both sides are nothing but dogmatic cultist ideologies. Anyone who is part of either camp has lost sight of reason in favor of their dogma a long time ago. Feminism is now simply about "What is it about you I can say is privileged or entitled so I can claim I win and am right and you are wrong without having to actually talk about the issues themselves", and I don't know what the hell MRAs are doing I think they are almost all in the north I never see them here in Texas but from what I have gathered from their ideology they think it's opposite, and women are privileged and men are beasts of burden. Every side has, Advantages, that they have enjoyed over the years as a whole, as a society and a species, but quit with this privilege nonsense it's just out of control stupid at this point. If either side ever wants to attack issues of equality and social justice they need to attack the issues themselves, let's talk about the statistics and what they may or may Not mean, quit blabbering about idealistic concepts and philosophy they talked about with their fellows on the internet in their internet closet.
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  • G&D Designs
    Great article!! Next topic should be "white privilege," which so many people are so quick to deny and disassociate with. It's not for one to feel shame to recognize this, but it's definitely something that needs to be acknowledged in order for things to change. Our collective psyche is programmed and skewed. To be a free thinker is a gift in times like these, and to point out what problems we have in our society is a means for a great discussion. Thanks for posting!
    • G&D Designs
      "Being marginalized in one area doesn’t negate your privilege in another." Excellent quote!!!!!! I could never find the words, but you said them ever so eloquently!! Great read!!
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      · 35 · October 25, 2013 at 12:02pm
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    • Jenna Reed · Top Commenter · The Clemente Course in the Humanities
      Two words, affirmative action.
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      · 4 · October 25, 2013 at 1:11pm
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    • Lindsay Stumpf · State University of New York at Brockport
      I think that whether it is "thin privilege", or "white privilege", or "male privilege", or whatever type of privilege, it is not the individual's fault if they HAVE privilege, but it IS more of an issue how they recognize it and use it to help others. Being in a position of privilege is a great way to bring light to issues involving those who would not be listened to for talking about the same issue.
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      · 43 · October 25, 2013 at 5:13pm
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  • Matthew Stobber · Top Commenter · Fort Collins, Colorado
    I really feel that anything that is a CHOICE can't be considered "privilege". What if I complained about "non-meth addict privilege", and how non-meth addicts don't get negatively judged for their appearances and good teeth. The addict CHOSE to live a lifestyle that increased their health risks, and as such they live with the consequences. I believe fat shaming is obviously wrong, but at the same time, I am not going to acknowledge "thin privilege", when I CHOOSE a lifestyle that is scientifically proven to lead to a longer, healthier life with less disease and health issues. I acknowledge my white privilege, but I had no choice over that. I DO have a choice on if I don't exercise, eat poorly, become obese, and then have negative health consequences(diabetes, high blood pressure, etc).

    I feel that the article would have been better if it was about anti-fat shaming, not making a group of people who chose a healthy lifestyle(thin people) feel bad about their healthy choices.
    • Ashley White · Aurora, Colorado
      That article irked me for the same reasons it bothered you.
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      · 27 · October 25, 2013 at 4:15pm
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    • Kimberly Ann Julian
      You are ignorant. You cannot judge what lifestyle a person leads based on their body type. I walk 5 miles a day and eat healthy food, but I am pretty darn fat. Somebody like you would wrongly judge me for sitting on the couch all day stuffing my face. THAT is what the article is trying to address. You cannot judge somebody and claim to know anything about them (even what their lifestyle is) by looking at them.

      If you, as a thin or average sized person, feels offended by this article and claim it is trying to make you feel bad, you somehow missed the entire point of the piece and should read it until it sinks in.
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    • Badger Brigadon · Top Commenter · RTC Great Lakes
      Kimberly Ann Julian I call baloney. If you walked 5 miles a day and ate healthy food and NOT TOO MUCH OF IT, you would not be 'pretty darn fat'. Either you are lying, or you have extremely incorrect perceptions of what constitutes a 'healthy diet'.

      I struggled with my weight for three decades before I realized that what people.... school, nurses, television... were telling me about diet was UTTERLY wrong.

      Frankly, with the sole exception of a few thousand people in the united states, Overweight is NOT glandular. If it is not glandular, then it is a choice. Admittedly it may be a misinformed choice, and it's a really really BAD choice from a health perspective, but making the 'choice' to be overweight does not make those who make a 'choice' to watch their figure 'thin priveleged'. Any more than a man that chooses to work hard is 'priveleged' by having a nice house.
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