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DiscussionFlim Flam of the Year; MafiacraftMC (self.mindcrack)

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[–]Compuserv64Team BdoubleO 29 ポイント30 ポイント

I really don't consider GB and BOO to be mindcrackers at this point. Most mindcrackers won't take money to make videos without disclosing that fact. I know the B-Team does.

Most mindcrackers adopt a normal naming scheme for their episodes. GB makes clickbait.

Most mindcrackers either don't accept donations, or provide a link in the twitch/YT description and say thanks when a donation arrives. The B-Team bases whole streams around donating and giving them money.

Most mindcrackers don't ask for thousands of dollars to get their cat to Bulgaria, when they already make vastly more than most people. I know someone that did.

Most mindcrackers have gone on PlayMindcrack at some point, maybe even made a video, because they know the server was made for them and their fans. I have a Bulgarian buddy who won't even log on.

When you talk about the Mindcrackers spending time making sure PMC is working with the EULA, you mean Guude, Rob, Nisovin, and WesWilson are working. There is no 180 in the policy of mindcrack towards pay2win and EULA-breaking servers. It's some some people are skeevy.

[–]AbcmsajTeam Etho 24 ポイント25 ポイント

Most mindcrackers either don't accept donations, or provide a link in the twitch/YT description and say thanks when a donation arrives. The B-Team bases whole streams around donating and giving them money.

Patreon is basically an equivalent of donating for extra content. Streaming is extra content, so if people want to donate - let them! Seth does it and it's not an issue.

Most mindcrackers don't ask for thousands of dollars to get their cat to Bulgaria, when they already make vastly more than most people. I know someone that did.

That was expensive and would have taken a large amount of GB's living money to do. He probably could have done it without the help of his fans but he had just gone through a huge move to be with his mother-in-law and was probably stressed and low on money. According to SocialBlade, he makes £2K - £15k ($3k-$25k) a month - and from what I've heard from a lot of big YouTubes, that is a VAST overestimation.

Most mindcrackers have gone on PlayMindcrack at some point, maybe even made a video, because they know the server was made for them and their fans. I have a Bulgarian buddy who won't even log on.

Doc logged in to the EU server once when it was up and then made Respawn with Xisuma. Etho hasn't been on PMC in a while. I'd say most Mindcrackers haven't ever logged into PMC. Doesn't stop them being Mindcrackers or totally against PMC's survival

[–]its_JustColinTeam EZ 9 ポイント10 ポイント

Etho has played on the server, I've played against him before. He doesn't often or really at all but he has played. Doc also used to play ALL the time when the server first came out. He released more than 15 episode I believe and he was always around and just chit chatting with us, it was great. Really showed me he cared.

[–]mjsk8 5 ポイント6 ポイント

In that case Baj and Pak must be the most caring people in Mindcrack! Pak is streaming right now and has fans in mumble I think and I saw someone say they were in a game with Baj 30 minutes ago or so. He is there most nights and chats a lot with people.

[–]its_JustColinTeam EZ 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Oh, they are definately most active, can't argue with that. I was just saying that Doc did a lot for the server and was such a nice guy throughout it and I dont like it when people bash him for starting respawn.

[–]mjsk8 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Guude did a huge financial gamble in setting up PMC all to help Mindcrack as a group. Do you think it was Okay to go and start a rival server?

[–]nygiants_10Team VintageBeef 5 ポイント6 ポイント

IIRC, Doc didn't start the new server, he joined Xisuma after it had already been around for a while. If Doc wasn't happy with the direction/types of games on PMC, it's perfectly fine for him to do that. Besides, he made more content on PMC than most other Mindcrackers had.

Doc is usually pretty upfront about sponserships and that sort of stuff, which is important with the kind of attention he gets as an extremely popular German youtuber. I don't think it's fair to accuse him of trying to "steal" people from PMC with a rival server.

[–]treeman798Team TheJims 3 ポイント4 ポイント

regarding your statement about most mindcrackers haven't logged into PMC, i believe there was a video that included at least a third of mindcrack with it, including etho, doc, pyro, pause, baj, and bdoubleo just to name a few.

[–]its_JustColinTeam EZ 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Yep. Wes wilson played with a bunch of them too. I remember that.

[–]AbcmsajTeam Etho 5 ポイント6 ポイント

They had a group event to celebrate something and never came back on again. Etho never made a video out of it, is what I'm saying. And right now, maybe 5 or 6 Mindcrackers still play on the server? A couple play MSG and Camelot, Baj plays DvZ, and then there are the Lords. What I'm saying is, you can't say "Genny doesn't play on PMC so he mustn't give a shit" when there are over 50%+ of other Mindcrackers that also don't play

[–]treeman798Team TheJims 2 ポイント3 ポイント

regarding your statement about most mindcrackers haven't logged into PMC

[–]Philbob99Team Sobriety 19 ポイント20 ポイント

just wanted to ask, how do you "know" the B-Team take money. Just wondering. And the cat thing is a moot point, because no matter what your income, 5000$ is a lot of money, so if someone wants to donate they can. Your other points are fair, but these two just seem like you have some personal beef with the guys.

[–]LilTrinsTeam Justis League 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Of course this isn't 100% proof, but I choose to believe this guy.

[–]Philbob99Team Sobriety 2 ポイント3 ポイント

you're right, that isnt 100% proof, its not really any proof at all.

[–]LilTrinsTeam Justis League 4 ポイント5 ポイント

I agree, it's not really proof. But the person who posted that comment does own, or has owned a server which leads me to somewhat believe him. I also don't think it's a bizarre idea that they are payed to promote servers, they have played on quite a bit of different servers in the past few months, and I don't think they would be on stream talking about how cheap Mafiacraft is compared to games like CS:GO just because they like the server.

But I don't think they're evil for promoting stuff either if that is the case, I'm sure a lot of people ask them to do it. I know I probably wouldn't go on somebody's server, make multiple videos on their server for free if I was as big as them.

[–]shmekekeyTeam Aureylian -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

So you believe that guys word even though he has zero evidence to back his claims just because it's what you want to hear?

[–]LilTrinsTeam Justis League 4 ポイント5 ポイント

He may have zero evidence, but he does own/has owned a server and I do believe that the B-Team would accept money to promote a server, not that it's a terrible thing to do.

just because it's want you want to hear?

What makes you think I want to hear that? I'd rather not think that they got paid to play on servers, and that they play on them because they enjoy them.

[–]MishaMikado 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Or are you in denial and not wanting to believe what is likely true, given the consistent poor quality of servers they've been promoting for the past few months?

[–]powder507Team GenerikB 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Most mindcrackers won't take money to make videos without disclosing that fact. I know the B-Team does.

And your proof is?

[–]CaviacTeam Old-Bdbl0-Ratt-Bling 3 ポイント4 ポイント

The fact that barely any of the other Mindcrackers promote low-quality servers with their videos, and (if I recall) the ones that do say when it's a promotion.

[–]brighteyes890hype mod 32 ポイント33 ポイント

I will chime in here.

For someone to go and say they do not consider the B-Team part of the group is not fair. The reasons listed by /u/Compuserv64 are not reasons for someone to not be seen as part of the group - in fact I fail to see where the issue arrises at all from anything he said.

I have an issue with the way you presented your arguments here.

Most mindcrackers either don't accept donations, or provide a link in the twitch/YT description and say thanks when a donation arrives. The B-Team bases whole streams around donating and giving them money.

A large chunk of the Mindcrackers do in fact accept donations. The B-Team do not strong arm people into donating and if there policy is to not read out the donations then so be it. Perhaps they are trying to encourage people to donate because they like the content rather than encouraging people to donate to get their name read out during a stream.

Most mindcrackers adopt a normal naming scheme for their episodes. GB makes clickbait.

You say clickbait, I say a man trying to make a living. You blame him for that?

Most mindcrackers don't ask for thousands of dollars to get their cat to Bulgaria, when they already make vastly more than most people. I know someone that did.

Where do you see how much he makes? Do you honestly believe that he would ask for help if he didn't need it? You think moving to Bulgaria is cheap? Likely he would have blown through a huge chunk of any savings he had to do so.

In my opinion, your arguments are not really very fair.

[–]SixxOne8Team Old-Bdbl0-Ratt-Bling 33 ポイント34 ポイント

Doesn't Seth do streams where he takes donations, even giving shoutouts? Guess he isn't a Mindcracker. Didn't MC ask for donations even though he made more than people? Guess he isn't a Mindcracker. (Also on that note, Genny didn't start the fund until people asked him if they could donate IIRC.) Doc goes on servers other than PMC. Guess he isn't a Mindcracker. Kurt Seth hasn't logged on played on PMC, guess he isn't a Mindcracker.

So they differ from the group, big whoop. The beauty of Mindcrack is its diversity. Don't like the B-Team? Don't watch. Don't like what they do? It doesn't effect you, move on, there are more important things in life. All comments like this do are fuel an unnecessary drama that is both petty and meaningless.

PS: Nice Bdubs flair =D

EDIT: Fixed some misinformation.

[–]lamabaTeam F1 10 ポイント11 ポイント

Kurt has logged on the PMC. He has multiple videos on there (granted they are on the pre-June iteration of PMC).

edit: That said, I do agree with your reasoning.

[–]ScruffyDaJanitorTeam Floating Block of Ice 11 ポイント12 ポイント

Seth made the basketball minigame a while back on PMC, and it doesn't show up on the stats page, so he has played on PMC, even developed a minigame for it.

[–]mlndshhI mate m8s 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Umm not that I disagree, but Seth made a whole god damn game for the pmc

[–]LothrazarTeam DOOKE 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Seth and MC accept donations and I have no problem with that

[–]LyeriaTeam Undecided 7 ポイント8 ポイント

Most mindcrackers don't ask for thousands of dollars to get their cat to Bulgaria

That was paid by the community of their own volition without him asking, if you will remember.

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    [–]Y0tsubaTeam Guude 10 ポイント11 ポイント

    If you will remember he made this video just straight up asking for cash so he can decorate his house. He makes it sound like you get something great in return, but you don't.

    [–]LyeriaTeam Undecided 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    He asked, he deserved whatever he got from adults with money and kids with jobs

    [–]mjsk8 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    I quit. People like this cannot be reasoned with

    [–]SkittlesJoker 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    You just noticed now you can't argue with Lyeria?

    [–]LyeriaTeam Undecided -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    I am a master logistician, nya-ha Σ:3

    [–]Taco_FarmerTeam OOG 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    No you are just stubborn

    [–]LyeriaTeam Undecided -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    Yes, until I am given some irrefutable evidence. Then I will switch sides so fast it isn't funny.

    [–]Y0tsubaTeam Guude -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

    Kids with jobs? Child labour was abolished along time ago. And the idiots who work 60 hours a week in a tough job who give a person their hard earned cash to decorate his house, well the less said about them the better. You also say he deserved what he got. What makes him as deserving of peoples money as, say, homeless people or starving children?
    What would you do if your 9yo child had been saving up all his pocket money/allowence to get a some new computer game and when you asked them if they wanted to go buy it they turned around and told you that they gave it all away to a man on the internet... If you tell me you would not be the slightest bit pissed off then you're lying.

    [–]flamekick11Team Mhykol 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    I agree, even sevadus of all people understands you shouldn't have to donate, they already make enough money from ads. Donating should be going towards people who are less fortunate than you, and need that money. Whereas generkib sometimes doesn't let regular viewers chat on twitch, they have to sub. And he accepts donations of sometimes 100$ or more. That's insane! He plays video games for a living, and makes a decent amount of cash, yet he accepts every one. And he tries to hide that fact by calling them just tips. Subscriptions are more than enough. But its just absurd the amount hell take in.

    [–]NaimoByteTeam Jsano 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    They may not be involved in the PMC server and they may use some controversial tactics, but I certainly consider Bdubs and GB as mindcrackers... They make videos on the mindcrack server and are really add some character to the server with their B-Team Shenanagains. Also, titles such as "Minecraft Mindcrack Server Ep 13 - "PRANK: DocM 7-11!!!"" don't really qualify as clickbait to me. Also, how do you know they take money to make their videos? Maybe they just enjoy exploring other servers and rpg-type things like WynnCraft

    [–]psychomimesTeam Lavatrap[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

    Generally you are correct. I think the titles are silly (100% of the videos on certain someone's channel has exclamation marks) but this server is literally a popupshop or similar. It has exactly 3 threads on the forum, http://forum.mafiacraftmc.com/forums. If this was a server with a long lasting heritage like hypixel or PMC (if you aren't a mindcracker) I don't think many would mind but this just seems like a switch and bait.

    [–]powder507Team GenerikB 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    I'd still love to see the proof that they get paid to play on these servers.

    Edit: downvotes later, still no proof. Please, somebody provide a link to the proof.

    [–]stereoearkidTeam Coestar 9 ポイント10 ポイント

    Given how common it is for servers to pay youtubers, I personally tend to assume that anyone playing on a minigames server is being paid unless they explicitly say otherwise.

    But you're right, no one has offered any proof either way about the B-team, people have just been making assertions and guesses.

    [–]scrabla 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    The proof is that they are making videos on this shitty obvsiously scammy server and not PMC. Because they get paid to make videos on one and not the other.

    [–]stereoearkidTeam Coestar 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    …that's not proof. That's a justification for why the suspicion is reasonable, but it's not proof that Mafiacraft paid them. Do you have receipts for the transaction? Has Generik, Bdubs, or someone from Mafiacraft come forward and said that they were paid?

    Like I said, I tend to think that the B-Team has been paid to play on this and other servers, but you have to admit that it hasn't been proven.

    [–]scrabla 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    But to assume otherwise is just dumb... And it actually makes them look like even bigger jerks for never making PMC videos. At least if you know they get paid for one and not PMC ones you can say "ok, they are just money-motivated" but if you think they get paid for neither and they still promote the scammy mafia server and not the server made for them, by them...

    [–]stereoearkidTeam Coestar 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    I wouldn't go so far as to call anyone dumb for holding out hope, but yeah, it's much more believable to me that they're getting paid.

    I'm just trying to be very clear about what is a known fact, what is assumption, and what is opinion, that's why I took issue with you calling that "proof". I don't think we actually disagree on the main issue though.

    [–]CaviacTeam Old-Bdbl0-Ratt-Bling 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Edit: downvotes later, still no proof. Please, somebody provide a link to the proof.

    k

    [–]powder507Team GenerikB 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    I stand corrected

    [–]pakoskaredditTeam Nancy Drew 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    I don't think being a mindcracker is dependent on your approach to donations. Yes GB does harm the hermit, but what harm is there in that. If he wants to give something back for donations is up to him. If you don't like it, don't watch it. There is nothing wrong with asking for donations. People who want to donate will, those who don't won't. This is their livelihood after all, and its their right to do whatever they want, no matter how people might think of it. If they think its best for their career to "sell-out" they very well should. They produce content that their viewers like and support. That is all there is to it.

    [–]aznwhiteyTeam Old-Bdbl0-Ratt-Bling 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    Well what's your definition of Mindcracker?