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[–]nomansid 19 ポイント20 ポイント

I just got a message. He says "love for all, hatred for none", then goes on to talk smack about the "couch potato" scholars of this subreddit. SubhanAllah

[–]GuyOnToilet 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Same here, we gotta periodically have threads like this so that people are aware. Some user called pebblypanting is doing it for me, it's a spam bot as he said there'd be no reply. Unbelievable.

[–]Jyynnxx 6 ポイント7 ポイント

hmmm.. i just got a message from cloverclump and it was same as you guys described about ahmediyya. I wrote back a pretty long response. didnt know it was spam. lol

[–]thr0waway2day 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I also received the message. I am not someone who will insult people un-necessarily but if whoever is driving the message would please stop it would be appreciated.

As to the Ahmadi's, the only advice anyone should give them is to return to the Quran, the hadith and the sunnah. Any attempt to engage in inflammatory debate only strengthens their attempt to hold onto their beliefs.

[–]dimey 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Allah y hdina

[–]sternocleidomastoidd 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I thought I was special. =[

[–]Drudeboy 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Me too when it happened the first time like a year ago :p

I still don't understand why people get so up in arms about it. At least they aren't blowing people up.

[–]sternocleidomastoidd 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Yeah exactly. I don't really care.

[–]goingandcoming 1 ポイント2 ポイント

At least they aren't blowing people up.

Why would you even say such a thing?

[–]Drudeboy 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Because many of our coreligionists are blowing people up.

[–]goingandcoming 0 ポイント1 ポイント

You are special, brother :)

[–]tracingspirals 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I got a message from "canonvicious". I asked him why he was sending me all of this and why he doesn't send it and preach to people at /r/atheism or something instead?!

[–]SAmitty 0 ポイント1 ポイント

got one from them as well

[–]thealphamale1 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I thought they'd finally forgotten about me, guess I was wrong.

[–]TeslaModelE 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I got one from the trailmix guy.

[–]krkn 0 ポイント1 ポイント

yeah got one

[–]wolflarsen 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Guys guys guys!!

Drop this Nation of Islam of india nonsense talk and learn how to ignore.

He have more pressing things to talk and worry about and bring attention to.

[–]ClimbingBoots 0 ポイント1 ポイント

user: /u/yoghurtturtle is a spammer as well. Got a message from that user yesterday.

[–]txs2300 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Well they get the same treatment in Pakistan so you now know how they must feel.

[–]IbnAlWaleed 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The pain. This has been going on for so long.

[–]Nabuuu 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Ah thanks I didn't notice one could report private messages. I had another one message me just now (frog something I think. After reporting it, the message disappeared).

[–]Nanaya06 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Qadianis got tricked by a minor dajjal who died vomiting and defecating at the same time, when the real Dajjal come he will have a lot of fun with you guys

[–]goingandcoming -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I just received SPAM from u/frogsrust, which is a new registered user with no posting history so far.

This SPAM is a deep insult towards every Muslim. Not only do they regard to themselves as peaceful, like all that are not part of their sect are not, they also deem critics as 'couch potato scholars' (thanks for the insult), and heretics (quote: "Ahmadiyyat is the only Muslim sect to be unanimously banned by all 72 sects of Islam. This does not come as a surprise to Ahmadi Muslims as this fulfills a 1400 year old prophecy (hadith) concerning the division of Islam into 73 sects."). The claim that they are the only right sect, is a claim that all other Muslims will enter the fire of hell. This is also a claim that they are the followers of the jamaat of the followers of the sunnah of Rasulallah, known for centuries as Sunni's. But Ahmadi's don't regard themselves to be part of the Sunni tradition, so this view can be regarded as a paradox.

How can you possibly put yourself between any sect of Islam, while your sect is not within the borders of Islam itself? Think about it, if your propaganda states that your sect is the only sect that has been unanimously banned by the Muslims regardless of the sect that they are part of.

I will not post the rest of the comment, because it goes on about their deviation and it is only to spread their propaganda. For everyone part of this sect, know that you are eating the flesh of your brother when you place every Muslim among those who do not follow the Sunnah of Rasulallah, salallahu alayhi wa alihi wa salam, and you deem yourself the only one against terrorism.

More here

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Edit: Format

[–]salawm 0 ポイント1 ポイント

It's 2014 guys. Quit with the name calling. Quran teaches to not call each other by nicknames.

[–]sailornasheed -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

I got one. Keep in mind that it's not anti-islamic to him. As far as he's concerned, he's doing dawah. Just ignore it, if you don't dig it, and hope that he comes around.

In the end, I'd rather have a thousand Ahmadayas than a single Atheist.

edit: This isn't to say that we shouldn't debate it, just that we shouldn't be trying to silence this person.

[–]Isitwhenipee 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Nope I would rather have an Atheist than an Ahmaday's. All they do is try and confuse new Muslims into their made up religion. At least Atheist don't pull crap out of their pants.

[–]goingandcoming 1 ポイント2 ポイント

In the end, I'd rather have a thousand Ahmadayas than a single Atheist.

Because the Ahmadi's testify that there is no God but God? I would agree with this, if that was the only thing I knew about their sect. The problem is that they are unbelievers, for they take their own interpretation of the Qur'an and deny many things that Muslims believe in. Then, both Atheïsts and Ahmadi's attack Muslims in their creed, they both blatantly claim that (mainstream) Muslims are violent (while claiming they are not), they are both outside of the safe borders of Islam, both covering the truth (committing kufr). And I also believe that Atheists are more likely to become Muslims with a neutral stance towards our clear creed, while the Ahmadiyya carry and spread a corrupted vision on Islam (including a corrupted version of the Qur'an).

[–]AhmadiMuslim -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

In the end, I'd rather have a thousand Ahmadayas than a single Atheist.

Yeah, this is something I don't get. On /r/islam and the Muslim world in general we Ahmadis get more hate than just about anyone. Yet, even if God forbid we weren't Muslims (and obviously as an Ahmadi Muslim I would refute that), we would be the closest thing to Sunni Islam apart from Sunni Islam. We believe Allah is the only God, Muhammad (sa) is his greatest messenger, the Quran is the final law, in the angels, the day of judgement and the divine decree. We pray five times a day, fast in Ramadan, pay Zakat, travel on Hajj if we can and recite the shahada as our creed.

I just don't get where all the hate comes from. Our belief is almost identical, with only one major difference. And even there, we might believe in Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad but his position is still beneath the Holy Prophet (sa). It just seems strange to me.

[–]goingandcoming 1 ポイント2 ポイント

We would be the closest thing to Sunni Islam apart from Sunni Islam

Our belief is almost identical, with only one major difference

Then the conversion to Islam may as well be very easy for you, congratulations :)

I just don't get where all the hate comes from.

Because the Ahmadi sect is committing open sins and is a treat to Islam in general. Rasulallah, salallahu alayhi wa alihi wa salam, is the final messenger and claiming otherwise is an insult towards Allah ta'ala and his messenger, salallahu alayhi wa alihi wa salam. Further more, the teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad have been proven corrupted many times before.

Edit: And the biggest disapproval of this false prophet may be that he died on a toilet. Why would Allah ta'ala make anyone credible die such an humiliating death?

[–]AhmadiMuslim 0 ポイント1 ポイント

claiming otherwise is an insult towards Allah ta'ala and his messenger

No. The insult is claiming that a Jewish prophet who never read the Quran once in his entire life will be required to lead the Muslims.

died on a toilet

This is an outright and blatant lie and you should consider why your leaders feel the need to spread it. He passed away on a bed in a friends house in Lahore surrounded by his family, friends, doctors and followers.

[–]goingandcoming 0 ポイント1 ポイント

What leaders do I have u/AhmadiMuslim? Before you insult great Shaykhs of the Ummah of Rasulallah, I would like to know which of the people I chose to follow you are putting the sin of a lie on? I ask this because you are from the Ummah of the false and self-proclaimed prophet Mirza Qadiani and not only do you twist facts around (which is covering up, all so known as kufr), you think you are superior among other Muslims, which is against the sunnah of Rasulallah, salallahu alayhi wa alihi wa salam.

If this is a lie, then the lie has been transmitted trough Bazir Ghulam, the son of Mirza Qadiani, who was proclaimed Khalifa by and wrote a book on his father.

Mirza Qadiani made false prophecies and thus can be regarded as a liar. Thus I want to ask you on what priority, starting from Qur'an and the authentic ahadith, you place the Roohani Khazain (the works from Mirza Qadiani).

This is important for me because I want to understand what authority you give to the claims of Mirza Qadiani that:

  • He (Mirza Qadiani) is the second advent of the prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wa alihi wa salam), he is better and superior to the one that came first (the prophet Muhammad that 'mainstream muslims' believe in). Source: Roohani Khazain, volume 16, page 272.

  • Embodied the second coming of the prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wa alihi wa salam). Source: Roohani Khazain, volume 17, page 249.

  • Followers of Mirza Qadiani cannot make any distinction between the prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wa alihi wa salam) and him (Mirza Qadiani), because anyone who does make a distinction doesn't acknowledge him (Mirza Qadiani). Source: Roohani Khazain, volume 16, page 171.

  • Isa (alayhi salam) was a liar, had the bad habit to say obscenities, was an alcoholic, a glutton and a bad person. Not a pious person, but far from someone who searched for the truth. Mirza Qadiani further claims that Isa (alayhi salam) was a proud and cocky person who claimed to spread faith. Source: Roohani Khazain, volume 9, page 387 and volume 11, page 289.

  • Then Mirza Qadiani says the following about himself: "I have certrain gifts, that are attributed to Isa, too ... My personality and that of Isa are like two branches of the same atom, or two seeds of the same tree." Source: Roohani Khazain, volume 1, page 593.

The blasphemy of Mirza Qadiani goes on when he puts his own words at the same line with the word of Allah ta'ala:

"The Qur'an is the book of Allah and are the words that come from my mouth" Source: Advertisement of the 15th of march 1897, Roohani Khazain, volume 22, page 87.

The basis for our claim is not the ahadith (tradition of the prophet Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa alihi wa salam) but the Qur'an and Wahi (revelations that Mirza Qadiani claimed to receive from Allah ta'ala) that came to us. Yes, as a support for this claim we cite from the ahadith, which are in line with the Qur'an and do not contradict my Wahi. The rest of the ahadith I will throw away like a piece of dirty paper. Source: Roohani Khazain, volume 19, page 140.

Mirza Qadiani was a British invention to battle the Muslim Ummah. As a source to this claim, I would like to point at the works from the hand of your own false prophet Mirza Qadiani, in Roohani Khazain, volume 13, page 350 and Roohani Khazain, volume 15, page 114.

For more information, click on one of the links I posted before in this topic:

Here

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

May Allah ta'ala guide the Muslims and those who have fallen for the false and self-proclaimed prophet Mirza Qadiani on as-Siratt al-Mustaqeem. Amin.

Edit:

The insult is claiming that a Jewish prophet who never read the Quran once in his entire life will be required to lead the Muslims.

I have no problem with a Jewish leader, as long as he is a Muslim. I would have a pious Jewish Muslim above a self-proclaimed liar that tries to destroy Islam in favor of a colonial power anytime.

[–]Shajmaster12 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Just like the hypocrite is the worst in the eyes of Allah azza was jal, Ahmadis are worse than non-Muslims.

[–]AhmadiMuslim -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

Oh, you think your eyes are the eyes of Allah? Or perhaps you are claiming to have received revelation directly from Allah the Almighty telling you His opinion on Ahmadis? Good for you!

[–]Shajmaster12 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Logical leap.

The outward enemy is not as dangerous as the inward enemy.

[–]AhmadiMuslim -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

Quran says don't take disbelievers as friends over believers. I'll follow the Quran on this one, thanks. You can keep your logical leaps. :P :)

[–]Shajmaster12 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Well, that's why I don't make friends with Qadianis.

[–]AhmadiMuslim -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Well I'm sure you don't need to; I bet you're already the most popular kid on the playground anyway.

Anyhow, you can hate on me but I only wish you well. Good day. :)

[–]goingandcoming 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Quran says don't take disbelievers as friends over believers

If you follow the Qur'an on that one, shouldn't you take the word of Shajmaster12 above anyone following the Ahmadi sect?

The words of Shajmaster12 may lack mercy, but he is speaking the truth. He doesn't believe his eyes are the eyes of Allah ta'ala (be careful by claiming Allah ta'ala has human attributes), nor does he claim to get direct revelations (Muslims take no prophet after Rasulallah, salallahu alayhi wa alihi wa salam, and we are careful by making such claims or statements). These blatant attacks on him are unacceptable, even is he shows lack of mercy in his response to you.

Apart from that, I believe the Ahmadi's have their own Qur'an, which is an English translation of an interpretation. Isn't your sect also claiming that they know the meaning of ie. Alif Laam Meem at the beginning of Surah al-Baqarah?

[–]AhmadiMuslim 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Our Quran is exactly the same.

From wikipedia:

"One opinion is that these letters stand for words or phrases related to God and His Attributes. The Companions Ibn Abbas and Ibn Mas'ud are said to have favored this view" (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqatta'at)

Our opinion on these letters is the same as the one attributed to classical scholars according to the above.

[–]goingandcoming 0 ポイント1 ポイント

A tafsir (and translations of it) always stand in the shadow of the true Qur'an in it's original Arabic. Thus, your Qur'an is not the same as that of the Muslims. We (Muslims) know that without the understanding of Arabic, one cannot read Qur'an and without the understanding of the Quranic Arabic, one cannot understand Qur'an.

Our opinion on these letters is the same as the one attributed to classical scholars according to the above.

I have checked the website of al-Islam and indeed the different versions (pdf's) of the Qur'an have no translation of the letters. Therefor I offer you my apologies for the quick judgement I made. However, I would like to add to this that there is a Qur'an translation in Europe by the Ahmadiyya sect, which is not listed on the al-Islam website, that translates Alif, Laam, Meem. Perhaps an offspring of the Ahmadiyya sect, which is also known for drinking alcohol?

Further more, I would also like to add that reading the first three lines of Surah al-Baqarah of the Qur'an translation on al-Islam made me spot a huge error:

"Thaaliqal kitab" is not translated as 'this' is a perfect book. It is translated as That (indicating a distance) is the book (the book of books - the absolute book which holds no error). "Laa Raiba Fihee" is not translated as there is no doubt in it. It is translated as which takes all doubt away.

I don't have the time nor the will to debate this further with you. We all know the status of the Ahmadiyya sect and the followers of it should think twice why all Muslims rejected the claims of the sect. Being called a heretic is a heavy claim and despite giving yourself the status of victim, one should take such heavy claims into account.