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FLASHBACK—Obama: ‘We’re Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq’ (cnsnews.com)

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[–]c_w_griswold 15 ポイント16 ポイント

ITT: Republicans who cheered going to Iraq in 2003 complaining about having to go back, because we never should have gone in the first place. Amazing.

[–]thisisATHENS 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Neoconservatism was just liberalism abroad. The idea that we could use government to change a people (the Iraqis) is just absurd and most conservatives hate on similar minded policies enacted domestically, yet thats what we were doing.

Tl; Dr: Don't blame me, I voted Ron Paul.

[–]c_w_griswold 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Tl; Dr: Don't blame me, I voted Ron Paul.

...said every conservative on Reddit. Apparently none of you actually vote Republican, not a single one.

[–]VulamondReagan Conservative 3 ポイント4 ポイント

That screws up voting, too. Although thanks to the Green Party, liberals do the exact same thing.

[–]anonymousnoone 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Given the support you have, I'd be inclined to believe you came here with friends to stir shit up.

[–]blatherskiterReagan Conservative 2 ポイント3 ポイント

That is so absurdly inaccurate. I can't believe anyone would be so ignorant about...

I voted Ron Paul.

Oh, nevermind.

[–]blatherskiterReagan Conservative -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

I don't see that ITT.

Also, I'm very supportive of helping the IA fight back these genocidal barbarians, as are Hannity, Rush, Coulter, et al. ITT I see conservatives mocking him for being so late to the party, silent on the beheading of Christians, his stupid proclamation of 'leaving behind a sovereign, stable, and self reliant Iraq,' and his nobel peace prize.

[–]ManOfTheInBetweenConservative 7 ポイント8 ポイント

Let's not forget that a nobel peace prize winner is now bombing a sovereign state.

[–]deixmachinisProgressive 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Is it ISIL that's the sovereign state?

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    [–]deixmachinisProgressive 9 ポイント10 ポイント

    Who are Obama's "terrorist buddies"? Would you accept that kind of language from someone describing a conservative president? (I personally do not like the President either, but come on.)

    [–]UmbrellaResearchCorp -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

    Pretty sure he's talking about the Muslim Brotherhood.

    [–]saphiren -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

    He does have a terrorist buddy by the name of Bill Ayres, but I don't think Bill Ayres is out to take over Iraq. ;)

    [–]cth1ic_warrior -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    ..and the bombing will do nothing to solve the problem of isis slaughtering innocents.

    Everyone told Obama (on the right a least) that telling the terrorists when you're going to leave would make them wait it out.

    It's all come to fruition now.

    [–]gecko_softscale 5 ポイント6 ポイント

    you dont think they wouldve realized easily enough when our soldiers left?

    [–]Mildly-Offensive 8 ポイント9 ポイント

    Did everyone forget that the Iraq withdraw deadline agreement was signed by Bush?

    [–]cth1ic_warrior 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    No, but read this and you'll realize that things changed for the worse under Obama's negligent leadership in Iraq:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380344/obamas-criminal-negligence-iraq-mario-loyola

    [–]CharredOldOakCask -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    As an outside this is what this sounds like: "My president smashed a wasp's nest. Your president made it worse by trying to kill each wasp off with a soft gun. Your president is worse."

    [–]lhoyt 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    What is your plan for Iraq? Should we have stayed and continued piling up more debt in the United States?

    [–]uberpowerLibertarian Conservative Traditionalist 13 ポイント14 ポイント

    We should have undone England's monumental mistake in creating Iraq, split it into three countries (Shiite, Sunni, Kurd), then walked away and let them murder each other as per their tradition.

    [–]G-3-R 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    It actually might all be better if we hadn't forced the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire in the first place. But who are we to demand a rewrite of 100 years of history?

    [–]Neon-Knight 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    We forced the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire? Check your history. they sided with the Germans in WWI. Once they did that, their destiny was the dustbin of history.

    TE Lawrence had the plan, but Wilson and his Obama/Chamberlain like policy of appeasement trashed all that.

    [–]G-3-R 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    If you think the Treaty of Sèvres proposed a fair and equitable peace between the Turks and the Allies then you are grossly mistaken. It even called for much of Turkey proper to be cut up into European colonies.

    We didn't have to treat them this way, just as we didn't have to treat the Germans the way we did at Versailles.

    [–]Neon-Knight 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    I did say they chose the losing side didn't I? I also said Lawrence's plans for the ME were ignored at Versailles.

    [–]Neon-Knight 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    One more thing about your precious Ottoman Empire. They practically invented genocide, just ask the Armenians. Their good buddies the Germans only co-opted the tactics.

    [–]thisisATHENS 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Didnt Germany almost win WW1?

    [–]latinjones 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Isn't that what they are essentially trying to accomplish right now?

    [–]BurningBushJr -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    Sounds pretty risky to have all that oil split between three sovereign nations than just one.

    [–]blatherskiterReagan Conservative -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    Kept a couple remote bases to house a few tank and infantry divisions like we did in Japan, Germany, Cuba, Korea, and Italy.

    [–]zenontherocks 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Should have never invaded in the first place. Say what you will about Hussein, but he understood the people and kept them in line. Without a sufficiently effective replacement the whole country is a wash.

    [–]NakedAndBehindYou 12 ポイント13 ポイント

    but he understood the people and kept them in line.

    If by kept them in line you mean committed genocides against them.

    [–]zenontherocks 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    The only thing required to commit genocide against Iraqis is to leave them to their own devices. They do the rest on their own.

    [–]Mybrainmelts 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    You do realize he was gassing innocent kurdish farmers?

    [–]UmbrellaResearchCorp -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    Yes, Saddam was an evil cunt. But he DID keep them in line. That statement is true regardless of how one 'feels' about it. One of the biggest blunders of the Iraq war was completely ousting and purging the Iraqi military of all it's high level Baath party loyalists.

    The easier fix would have been to oust Saddam, and set up a puppet dictator to act in the interests of the USA while keeping those primitive savages from turning that place into a fucking free-fire civil war zone, the result being the eventual power vacuum that ISIS exploited.

    [–]blatherskiterReagan Conservative 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Yes, Saddam was an evil cunt. But he DID keep them in line

    Yeah, with anthrax, starvation, mass torture, and secret police.

    [–]BigMrCChristian Conservative 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    Say what you will about Hussein

    Okay. He was a genocidal psychopath whose rule should have lost his Iraq's sovereignty when the invaded Kuwait.

    [–]Mybrainmelts 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    strange, It seems a world leader is doing the same thing he is doing in pretty much the same area right now.

    [–]YamiHarrison 5 ポイント6 ポイント

    1.) bitching abiut events almost 12 years ago is moot by this point. ISIS is here, is a threat, and Obama can not just ignore it

    2.) that saddams rule was some great period of stability is a huge myth. More Iraqis died under his rule then have post-2003 if you combine the Iran-Iraq war and all the uprisings.

    [–]Mybrainmelts 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    yeah, by gassing them

    [–]funnycomment -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    Whether you agree with the invasion or not it is clear the withdrawal was a wrong decision. ISIS is a real danger to thw world and they are clearly intent on genocide. It is disgusting that while this group has been growing in strength the western world and Obama has found nothing better to do than criticise Israel for fighting a genocidal enemy.

    [–]Popular-Uprising-Libertarian Conservative -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

    How else could he take credit for winning the Iraq war?