Important: Changes To Audio In VODS

Aug 06 2014 · 1,520 comments · Engineering, News, Tech

[UPDATE 9:20  AM PT Aug 7]: Today’s AMA with Emmett Shear will now be hosted on /r/IAmA. Please join us at 10:30 AM PST.

Please Note:  Audio Recognition applies to VODs only.

Starting today, Twitch will be implementing technology intended to help broadcasters avoid the storage of videos containing unauthorized third-party audio.  We respect the rights of copyright owners, and are voluntarily undertaking this effort to help protect both our broadcasters and copyright owners.

What Is Audio Recognition?

We’ve partnered with Audible Magic, which works closely with the recorded music industry, to scan past and future VODs for music owned or controlled by clients of Audible Magic. This includes in-game and ambient music. When music in the Audible Magic database is detected (“Flagged Content”), the affected portion of the VOD will be muted and volume controls for that VOD will be turned off. Additionally, past broadcasts and highlights with Flagged Content are exportable but will remain muted.

The Audible Magic technology will scan for third party music in 30 minute blocks — if Audible Magic does not detect its clients’ music, that portion of the VOD will not be muted. If third party audio is detected anywhere in the 30-minute scanned block, the entire 30 minutes will be muted.

How It Works: Scanning VODs Only

Audio Recognition will only be run against audio in VODs. We are not scanning live broadcasts and there is no automated takedown of live content.

Flagged Content will display an on-screen notification informing viewers that content owned or controlled by a third party has been identified. The progress bar will also be red for the duration of the muted section.

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Please note that Audio Recognition is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate.  It may return false positives or miss content from copyright owners who do not work with Audible Magic.  If you wish to include music in your VODs, please remember that you are responsible for clearing all such rights (this includes ambient music that may be playing in the background while you are broadcasting).  If you would like to include free-to-use music in your VODs, there are a variety of resources available to you, including:

Broadcaster & Copyright Owner Appeals

If you believe that your video has been flagged improperly and that you have cleared the rights to all of the sound recordings in your uploaded video, then we will consider unmuting your video if you send us a counter-notification that is compliant with the provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA”).

Any copyright owner that believes that any of their content is used in any live broadcasts or VOD without authorization should submit a notification of claimed infringement to Twitch pursuant to our Terms of Service.If you are the legal owner of copyrighted music that you would like to protect via Audible Magic’s technology, visit AudibleMagic.com.

Twitch has partnered with Audible Magic without waiving any rights or defenses available to it under law. Twitch is not obligated to filter content stored on  the Twitch platform by its users and assumes no liability for the actions of its users notwithstanding the implementation of the Audible Magic technology. Twitch reserves the right to stop filtering audio content in VODs in its sole discretion at any time and without liability to any third party, subject only to any contractual obligations.

We want to hear your feedback and questions. Tune in to the following events to ask us (almost!) anything:

  • Reddit AMA on /r/Twitch: Thursday, August 7, 10:30am PST
  • Twitch Weekly: Friday, August 8 at 2pm PST

And, as always, please feel free to leave your comments below. We will answer as best we can.

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  • Star

    Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd Twitch has just been Google-fied.

    • Linkadoo

      See you at Hitbox or Ustream.

      • Skull24

        If Hitbox or Ustream start offering VODs they will have to do the same.

        • Morgan Feldon

          No they don’t. Twitch is voluntarily partnering with this company.

          • LEOXD

            They will have sooner or later if the music industry threatens them with lawsuits without end…
            But currently, they’re simply not important enough.

          • http://futanari.org/ futanari.org

            Nobody threatened twitch with any lawsuits. Google bought YouTube, the same policy is in effect with that company. Now that twitch is also partners with Google, the same policy unfortunately applies.

          • LEOXD

            YouTube/Google were in fact sued by viacom. Then they introduced Content ID, and viacom didn’t want to sue them for the stuff that happened after Content iD.

          • sinrise

            Exactly. It’s companies like Viacom, that if they could figure out a way own your fucking thoughts, they would do it in an instant.

          • Thanatos2k

            Google WON that lawsuit against Viacom. Google has become cowards too pitiful to defend themselves, and partnering with the media conglamerates is now easier for them. Pathetic.

          • PRMan

            Buying the media companies, firing them all and then doing whatever they want with the music would be a lot cheaper and easier I think.

          • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

            Google “won” because they introduced the ContentID system on YouTube

          • Daniel T. Callahan

            Not to mention Google has its own music service it wants you to buy…

          • sinrise

            It has nothing to do with Google. It’s LAWYERS of the companies that own the music in question. These assholes only see the value of their time and somehow convince the ceos and musicians that they are losing money (or not making as much as they could be) simply because some people heard a song playing and didn’t pay for it. Of course, anyone with a brain can totally see that ignoring the value of free promotion, especially these days in the era of self-production and promotion, is a pretty stupid thing to do.

          • Chewydon

            Twitch isn’t partnered with Google, keep reading the tabloids kiddo.

          • neokiva

            yeah it is google bought twitch

          • scannerbarkly

            Plenty of folk were probably threatening Twitch with lawsuits, its reasonably unlikely that they had escaped the attentions of a very litigious industry. It is far more likely that one of the stipulations of the deal was Twitch dealing with any outstanding plausible legal threats and beginning the process of getting in line with Google/Youtubes stance regarding such lawsuits, which is to avoid them via Content ID.

          • Joseph Andrade

            Yeah because Twitch had this problem prior to being brought by Google.

          • LEOXD

            They weren’t bought by Google (yet) and it doesn’t always take a lawsuit. In this case, they probably just had a looong private meeting with high members of the music industry (WMG, UMG, …)

          • Joseph Andrade

            Yeah because this conveniently happened right as the acquisition was confirmed by both parties.

          • LEOXD

            [citation needed]

          • Bob Smith

            Not sure if trolling…

          • LEOXD

            I only saw “confirmation” from “sources”. No official stuff.

          • Kinren

            Cmon, its not official but with all the changes to twitch lately and the quick major improvemnts on the site they could never handle, its pretty obvious youtube has bought twitch.

          • felixsanz

            Companies doesn’t understand that having music in someone’s video (or other media), gives them, the publisher and the band/creator some free advertisement.

            Like when i watch a gameplay video and i ask/try to find myself the music that appears. Because i like that music. And probably some day i’m going to buy that record or go a concert from that creator.

            They are going against the people that pay their bills, this is so sad, but until this people dissapear from earth and new/young/fresh minds control those companies, nothing is going to change.

            EDIT: i don’t blame twitch btw, they can’t do anything.

          • LEOXD

            sadly. Companies only see that people have access to their music who didn’t pay for it. Meaning that people who TOTALLY would have bought the music now didn’t buy it and so they made losses of at least a dollar per piece.

          • felixsanz

            Those people are not going to buy the music anyway :)

            So it’s just the same, but limiting the audience. Less people will go concerts because less people will know that music exists.

          • Corronchilejano

            Sorry, but I’m the rare case of buying albums because I’ve heard them in streams. In my case I’ve bought LazerHawks’ Skull And Shark and a few 80s songs.

            I didn’t even know Don’t Stop Believing existed.

          • felixsanz

            You are the rare case of buying albums. DOT.

            haha. naw, really. some people still buy albums. But the fact is, you can’t buy everything that you listen, you will only buy what you love or you think it worth to buy.

            And this companies pretend that you pay for EVERY single song that you listen. And if you don’t pay, you better stop listening at it and forgive about the author.

            Sadly, this companies doesn’t protect authors, they only protect their percent. Thats the whole point of all this post, copyrights, etc.

          • sinrise

            They aren’t even protecting their percent. They are essentially creating loss by eliminating potential avenues of free promotion. DERP… AGAIN.

          • Fleet Admiral Josh

            do I think it’s stupid that copyright owners essentially threaten companies like twitch to monitor content like this? Yes. But it is their legal prerogative, though companies often have to end up using a very big hammer to try to implement it. Like someone above pointed out that some of Twitch’s own official streams are affected (oops!).

            Also, I despise that this has applied immediately and retroactively to a whole host of videos that I *WAS* planning on exporting to YouTube due to the VOD change (I guess I’m not now!)

            And for people who blame Google – Twitch is using a much bigger hammer than even google uses. The videos I was able to get over before this went into effect had some copyright claims, but that’s it. No audio removal. Here? Audio removal.

          • sinrise

            Yep. They’re really willing to go to court and completely ignore the value of FREE PROMOTION of their artists. Any decent defense attorney would make that really hard for them to get around and any decent judge would also consider that… one would think.

          • Fleet Admiral Josh

            Nope, not really. Copyright owners can demand you take down anything unless it’s clearly free use (which playing music in the background wouldn’t be). It doesn’t matter whether it makes sense or they would be smarter to do otherwise. It’s their legal right.

          • sinrise

            Exactly. The idiots running these companies with controlling interest in this music STILL haven’t learned. Why not spend all that energy and money innovating instead of finding more sophisticated ways of preventing people from hearing their artists’ music? Artists should be FURIOUS about this but all too often they get convinced by lawyers to go with the “its MINE and you’re STEALING’ mentality and start suing their fans.

          • Patrick Ramser

            Aw yeah, dude. Stealing stuff or misusing licenses is totally fine as long as you broadcast or show it off because it’s basically free advertising. *high five*

          • felixsanz

            When you buy a Lacoste t-shirt and go outside, aren’t you broadcasting it?

            When you buy a Honda Civic, can’t you travel with whoever you want?

            When you buy a Microsoft Windows 8 license, can’t you stream whatever you wants with that PC ?

            Get the point? *high five* then ;)

          • National Treasure

            People use this as an excuse all the time and while there is some truth it is still the copyright holder’s decision to let you give them free advertising. There are reasons why people don’t let the rights to their music out so easily and it’s not always simply greed.

          • giverous

            why don’t you blame twitch? They have done this VOLUNTARILY –

            “We respect the rights of copyright owners, and are *voluntarily* undertaking this effort to help protect both our broadcasters and copyright owners.”

            It was entirely twitches call, and a bad one at that.

          • felixsanz

            because they are forced to do this or they will earn demands. they don’t have an option, so i don’t blame twitch. Even if we don’t like this, is not their fault. The fault is the copyright companies and the laws.

          • Fleet Admiral Josh

            I don’t blame them to the extent that they were likely getting pressure and threats from copyright owners to deal with the problem or else they may be facing lawsuits. So in that sense it’s “voluntary” (in that they could have chosen to be sued).

            I spoke about on my stream last night (which is now ironically muted) that I fully expected this to come, Google or not. But I hate how they have already applied to everything. At least give us a chance to move everything over to YouTube or something for god’s sake first

          • Skull24

            They will all do the same thing. It’s only a matter of time.

          • sinrise

            “voluntarily” may be technically accurate but the “choice” is between compliance and legal purgatory.

          • Gornarok

            Ok so here is the problem. If Ustream gets big enough music indrustry will learn about it and when they will sue them because they are making money with their music.

            It is not Googles or Twitchs fault. Its stupid music producents and music licence companies…

          • Fleet Admiral Josh

            they are “voluntarily” doing it so they don’t get sued. Any company that gets big enough is going to face that. I don’t mind the new policy. I was expecting it eventually. What I gravely disagree with is how it’s been implemented.

      • Star

        YUP

      • Fizzy Amp

        You forgot Instagib.tv (Vaughn who worked JTV before, Vaughn is a bot)

      • sinrise

        See you at not playing fucking music in my streams anymore because of greedy old men who spend their energy and money coming up with ways to KEEP PEOPLE FROM HEARING FUCKING MUSIC instead of, you know, innovating.

        • Kinren

          The best way to hear music is on the radio Kappa

          • fugly

            Or piratebay

          • Sirrael Tivvu

            i pay 10 euro x month spotify!!! its not piratebay !!!

          • OCELOTE

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Radio.. Are you kidding me? Listen the same 3 “artists” over and over? No fucking way!

          • Kinren

            You must not understand Kappa and what it means. Lol

          • H4mm4r3

            Kappa died with twitch.
            Google should be jailed for murder!

        • Herlig

          Funniest part of it all, their own videoes are in fact affected by this:

          http://www.twitch.tv/twitch/b/548824097

          • PRMan

            Wow. It makes their whole show unwatchable. Way to kill a popular channel.

          • Grégory Jourdan

            I would venture that the reason why copyright mess hasn’t hit the other websites yet is that they haven’t gotten quite big enough. Can’t imagine this lasting forever, and if the “solution” is to not become huge, that’s not a good business plan either…

      • Caser

        Azubu must be really sad they don’t even make the list of streaming services to jump ship to when twitch loudly jumps the shark.

      • Stas Chehlatov

        Гугул ромашка

      • Angamaitë Sangahyando

        Goodgame.ru has its streaming platform. I believe, there are some Chinese services as well.

    • LEOXD

      Note that technically Twitch has been infringing copyright law the entire time. The entire time they have risked a law suit against them by not doing anything about it.

      • BLank

        God you are such a dicksucker aren’t you.

        • http://nothingxs.net/ Andres Velasco y Coll

          I mean, all he did was tell you that Twitch was breaking the law, nothing else. He wasn’t saying he was for or against the law, whether he agreed with the premise or what Twitch was doing, etc. — just that Twitch was doing something that infringed on copyright law.

        • Idiot Detector

          Idiot detected.

        • LEOXD

          I didn’t want to include a 32-pages essay why the current copyright law is bad, I just wanted to point out that twitch was (and still is in the live streams) infringing copyright law to a point where they are probably not protected by the safe harbor any more or at least risk getting into a law suit because of it.

          • Richard Santos

            I think it’s fair to say that whether it’s against the law (like how it’s illegal to walk backwards while eating peanuts on a boardwalk is in NY) the law doesn’t benefit the Industry. It’s free advertisement. Nobody is going to tune into a channel for the free music. If they’d stoop to that level, they’d use one of the many more convenient methods. So what I’m saying is, you’re both right, IMO.

          • LEOXD

            The law doesn’t benefit anyone really anymore, but as long as it’s in force, we’ll have to deal with it :(

          • Alex

            Twitch is not infringing copyright law. Part of your ToS waives all liability for your content from Twitch.

            The user that published that content is breaking copyright law, not Twitch. It can be argued that Twitch certainly assisted, but they aren’t the actual ones doing the action.

          • LEOXD

            Sure, the safe harbor thing (which would be there no matter what the TOS say anyways). But then, the same thing is true for YouTube, and they did get into a law suit with Viacom. YouTube won the first 2 rounds but then they settled the thing.
            This can happen to twitch as well, except I don’t expect that twitch has the resources to get into a fight. Even if they would win the entire thing, it would maybe cost too much for them. Plus, you don’t know what kinds of good arguments there are for implementing it and what high people of the music industry have told them.
            Even North Korea won’t start a nuclear war with the entire world against it. (bad analogy)

          • Sopheset111

            yes, but they are liable for the vods saved onto there servers, which is what this is meant for.

        • Blaise

          Best comment LOL

          And that goes for anyone else even *thinking* of supporting the copyright.

      • deadmanalpha

        all the content on twitch is someone elses copyright and should be taken down. so only people with permission from the IP owners can stream………………………………sigh.

      • Brett Reno

        There’s a difference between a song you made being used in a commercial with no money being given to you, and a song you made being streamed in the background by a kid making just enough ad revenue to live in a house with multiple roommates.
        The law is unable to draw that distinction since it’s clearly in a morally gray zone, but we as people can. Twitch was willing to take that risk to give people better viewing experiences- google isn’t.

        • LEOXD

          What has Google to do with this, anyways? Twitch uses audible magic, which is the service everyone BUT Google uses.

          And yes, copyright is awful as it is. But morals don’t matter in legal matters and Twitch probably has received a mail by nice people from UMG, WMG, EMI and/or other companies that basically said “implement this or we’ll sue you until you don’t twitch any more”.

          • Brett Reno

            Funny how twitch was willing to fight against those letters until the moment it was acquired by google. Google has a right to put profits over the quality of the sites it owns, and I can’t blame them. Similarly, I can’t be blamed when I move to a new streaming site that makes consumers the priority.

      • gov451

        It’s not legal to livestream copyrighted material either. Why would they apply this to VoD only?

        • LEOXD

          Probably because audible magic (the service they use) is unable to do this with live streams.

          • gov451

            Heh… I was going to ask… why would they pay for a service that doesn’t fully protect them… but I guess they just sort of gained free access to it after the google acquisition.

          • LEOXD

            When did they get bought by Google? And why do they use a service that isn’t owned by Google instead of Google’s Content ID?

          • mythirdtesticlehasdropped

            Official a few days ago. Reason why Justin.TV went down. It has copywritten stuff on it all the time. Channels streaming new movies 24/7, tv shows, etc. Music…

          • Thanatos2k
        • Sopheset111

          Because by the time they found out that there was copyrighted music, the song would be over.

      • Prungy

        Actually DMCA safe harbors protect Twitch from liability for user content as long as they take down content following any DMCA notices in a timely manner.

        However safe harbors haven’t prevented media companies from suing anyway to pressure sites into implementing copyright filters. This is exactly what happened to Youtube when Viacom sued them and they put in Content ID.

      • mythirdtesticlehasdropped

        Don’t chew on this man’s thoughts. Streaming video games is infringing rights to begin with. It’s been like that for so long. So is renting games, etc. But it’s looked past as it grows talk and publicity. The music and movie industries are failing compared to the boom in gaming. Gaming is at the top, the others are fading. The thing about content ID’s or bots. It flags in game content, it’s not a flawed system for anyone. Your allowing a computer program to make all the choices n final outcomes to digital signatures.

      • dsi1

        LEOXD the copyright holders being infringed should be making DMCA claims.

        Twitch has absolutely no reason to take the law into their own hands.

      • Rocket

        They have not. The DMCA protects service providers. All Twitch has to do is comply with actual DMCA notices filed against them and they are in the clear.

        This automated bull**** is all on them, and they’re making it way too easy for media companies to take **** down and there’s no legal ramifications for said media companies with this method for wrongful takedown notices because Twitch is choosing to take this material down, and the media company doesn’t have to state that the material is theirs under pentaly of perjury.

      • Morgan Feldon

        They provide a DMCA takedown system, which is all they are legally required to provide. Might want to read up on the Safe Harbor section of the law.

    • ircio

      Rip

    • morgoth

      Actually theyre just following the law now.

    • NamelessDrake

      No they haven’t. Neither Google nor Twitch have officially confirmed any deal. The “confirmation” from “sources familiar with the matter” feeding rumors to VentureBeat. Not actual executives at either company.

    • Julian1999

      I don’t want to like this comment because it has 1337 likes.

    • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

      What has Google to do with that?

    • mal

      I didn’t know that Google is also a record company.

  • smellyfeetyouhave

    It’s funny because it’s Google

  • Brandon Prunty

    Welp.

  • kywildcat

    RIP Twitch, it was a good run

  • zephiK

    RIP Twitch

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  • Alexander Botkin

    Why? WHY?

  • Josh

    MAN I hate google….

  • Quack Quack

    time to go to ustream

    • Matthew

      We’re not THAT desperate yet…

      • Karetic

        You’ll change. Trust me. Everyone changes sooner or later.

      • David Lui

        yes we are, the truth is that twitch is no longer a viable platform to stream games, don’t be living in denial please.

        • Jeremy

          Definitely not that desperate, I’ll just go back to YouTube if Ustream is the only option. I don’t chat anyway since most decent casters are greedy once they get that sub button and lock down the chats.

          • MCXL

            You do realize that Google bought twitch, and I would say it’s very likely that they will consolidate the streaming tech, so you tube streaming and twitch streaming will be THE SAME.

          • dsDoan

            It will take many years to accomplish this.

          • MopeyJoe

            But that would mean gutting Twitch and replacing it with inferior tech which would be incredibly costly for Google. Even if they are worth billions, they, and any logical company, wouldn’t carelessly throw away millions of dollars to downgrade for the sake of branding.

    • TheMvn

      What are you insane? instagib.tv instead

    • TheBlackRabbit

      Go to hitbox.tv

      • Progers

        hitbox.tv its good?

        • TheBlackRabbit

          it has it’s issues…but you gotta give em a reason to get better.

      • Progers

        Thanks for the link i registered there, will try to stream something :)

        • TheBlackRabbit

          TBH….im not sure if…their servers are ready for the load lol.

  • Zeether

    Okay, screw you Twitch.

    • Alex Thomas Wesley

      No one had any right to use copyrighted material in the first place.

      • Deef

        but, may i point out that twitch is a VIDEO GAME stream service, and that saying “This includes in-game and ambient music” they could “remove” the audio from theoretically every vod.

      • John McConnell

        No one streaming their gameplay is really, “using” copyrighted material. They’re just listening to their music on iTunes or Spotify. Now any time they want to go back and watch that awesome replay they saved, if they were listening to music at the time, the audio will be cut out. Which is just annoying and unnecessary, because I’m sure almost every gamer listens to music while they play/stream.

        • Jeremy

          I’ve never listened to music unless it was in game and nobody I watch on Twitch does it either. They play music when they go on breaks or in between games but not a single one plays it IN game. And they don’t own the copyrights to the music on iTunes or Spotify, when you buy music or pay a service you buy a license to use it under the proper terms and conditions. The good casters on Twitch knew this was coming, that’s why most of them turn down or music off in game completely if it’s copyrighted and only play non-copywritten music.

          • Puro

            > nobody I watch on Twitch does it either

            Pretty much everyone I watch plays with music, your guys must be really boring.:P

          • Senseless

            So Summit and Lirik aren’t good casters? alright.

          • Ally

            Umm, this applies to the music from the games proper or even the ambient sounds for any game. Unless you mute all sounds but your own voice you’ll be in violation of this new policy.

          • Dan Zarnick

            Completely false. Unless you are watching a horror game stream where sound is essential to the grounds of the game. something like 90% of all popular streams play music in the background of their games. Granted I gain most of my viewers because people have the same musical interests as myself.

      • Dyno900

        you dense motherfucker, it also works for music IN the game

        • iYeti

          I’m sorry but that is not how it is going to happen. They may have said that it is for music in games as well. But this is google we are talking about. So anything you see copyrighted on Youtube, will be copyrighted on Twitch. Now how many gameplay vods do you see on youtube that are completely muted because of in game music?

          • Puro

            You think we will trust you about what Google can, can’t, will or won’t do?

          • iYeti

            Look at youtube. It is the same system. Gameplay on YOutube isn’t completely muted. Its only the vods that have copyright music playing that get muted. And even then they can isolate and remove the song and still have game and voice audio sometimes.

          • LEOXD

            It’s actually not Google/YouTube who is responsible for this. YouTube has Content ID, Twitch partnered with audible magic, which is a service that everyone but Google uses.

          • Frank

            Youtube used AudibleMagic back in 2007 until they developed their own in-house ContentID system.

          • LD

            Right, not many videos are being muted since YouTube started doing the selective audio filtering, taking out only the music and leaving everything else in. But Twitch isn’t doing that. Twitch is muting an entire 30 minute segment if it detects music.

            Playing Fallout 3 and walk past a radio? Muted.

            Playing GTA and get into a car? Muted.

            Accidentally enter the main menu of pretty much any EA sports game in the last decade? Muted.

          • Dan Zarnick

            Well as a constant streamer on Twitch I can tell you I have gone through over half of my highlights and 90% of the content is muted. Maybe you should read the article before pretending as if you know what you are talking about

          • cocopops

            There have been many cases where lets plays have been removed due to content ID positives for in game music

          • iYeti

            Correct and there is nothing legally you can do to change this. If you want to run everything illegally sure. But until the game company sets the copyright ID straight, there is nothing you can do barring illegal activities. Or change in copyright laws.

          • Morgan Feldon

            So a site about streaming video games is no longer going to allow streaming video games with the relevant audio. So Twitch is worthless now.

      • Andrea Kaindl

        it’s cause of fuckers like you, that this world is always getting more and more boring. thank you.

        • LEOXD

          Ask your local representative to vote for a change in copyright law that makes these kinds of things legal.

          • reverb256

            Do you honestly think they care about anyone who isn’t throwing buckets of money at them?

          • LEOXD

            They also want to get re-elected, and I think they have learned from the SOPA/PIPA debakel.
            Recently, the EDRi (a lobby organization with 5 people, sponsored by a few non-profit organizations) has saved net neutrality even though the ISP wanted to have 2-class internet in the EU.
            Believe.

          • Frank

            THey haven’t learned a damn thing from SOPA/PIPA. *Points at CISPA*

          • LEOXD

            Oh. Hm.

      • Icra

        Gosh, I don’t have a right to use this game that I bought? I wish I had known that when I put down 50$ for it!

        • LEOXD

          You have the right to use it privately. That’s what you bought the copy for. You didn’t buy a licence to broadcast it worldwide.

          • UnreliableLarry

            I don’t recall agreeing to only play my video games privately when I purchased them.

          • LEOXD

            Still, you buy a copy of the game meaning that you can sell the copy and destroy it if you want. You didn’t buy a licence for world wide distribution.

          • UnreliableLarry

            If I were making money that’s one thing – but I doubt 95% of Twitch streamers are making a profit. It may be on Twitch, but it’s still a private, nonprofit event for me and my 1000 closest Internet friends.

          • LEOXD

            In Germany, one needs a commercial broadcast licence if he has something running that can reach theoretically 500 people.
            Now, twitch isn’t based in Germany, but a thousand people watching isn’t really private.

            Also, using it non-commercially still doesn’t give you that right. Fair use requires more.

        • http://tmblr.5crat.ch/ Scratch

          You don’t own games on steam

  • Cakebutts

    WOW

    This is the type of bullshit that ruins websites. COUGH YouTube COUGH

    • iYeti

      Yeah, when websites run their content legitimately and legally, it ‘ruins’ websites.

      • Puro

        Laws are some times not what is right, for instance there was a period in American history commonly known as the prohibition..
        Black markets rose, organized crime flourished, all because of something being made ILLEGAL..

        • http://theandylee.com/ Andy Lee

          You’d have to be dense to think that Twitch would go against copyright law as some sort of protest against them. If you’re trying to run a legitimate business, you have to play ball and wait for the laws to change before you change.

          • canefanatic

            Doesn’t change the fact that this ruins the user experience and seriously downgrades the entertainmanet vaule of a promising medium.

          • http://theandylee.com/ Andy Lee

            I don’t think it “ruins” the user experience, though I won’t argue that it doesn’t diminish it. I think that most people won’t even notice this change. From the earlier blog post regarding VODs, 80 percent of the VODs they have stored go unviewed.

            The fact is that the primary use case is live viewing, and that hasn’t been affected by this.

          • UnreliableLarry

            They should make a way so that the voice chat part is on a separate audio stream that doesn’t get muted.

          • Furluge

            You do realize it’ll affect highlights too, right? Those are viewed.And since it tags in game music too, that means that you can never know if any video you post to twitch will be viewable the moment the broadcast is over. I’ve got a nice highlight of Mike Tyson’s Punch Out you can watch. Not listen to, because that game’s music is flagged by the system, or hear the streamer talk… but you can watch it.

          • Morgan Feldon

            Never mind that it’s a site for streaming video games, and now they’re cutting out the audio on streamed video games. That’s like Budweiser thinking they’re going to keep selling bottles but they leave out the beer.

          • thelastguyX20

            Yeah, which is like, FOREVER to change or update something in the law because all the lobbying and bribing.

            Yes, we’re going to wait for the dinosaurs to update the law “legitimately” while innovation is slowed by prehistoric tar.

          • Seth Wooten

            yeah but they didnt have to use an automated system that shows no reason or discretion. Thery deserve their backlash 100%

        • iYeti

          stop the copy/pasting of this comment. Your just creating bandwagoning.

      • Elijia

        There’s nothing legitimate about shitting on the little guy. And that’s what is happening here. We showed them what we wanted: A safe corner of the internet to chill, and they’re taking that away.

        Copyright laws are put in place to make sure content isn’t being outright copied. Not to shaft someone listening to their music and playing some videogames for an audience.

        I personally have purchased music I’ve found through streams. So there’s that as well.

        • LEOXD

          >Copyright laws are put in place to make sure content isn’t being outright copied.
          Well, it was intended that way but the law says that any form of unauthorized distribution is prohibited.

          And law doesn’t care whether it’s benefiting or hurting anyone, it’s simply as long in effect as it takes the politicians to change it. So ask your local representative to change copyright law to something sane.

          • Elijia

            Or try and influence Twitch to put their weight behind that change.

            After all, corporations are people, and dollars are words.

          • LEOXD

            Well, politicians are slow when it comes to changing their opinions and then the laws.

            As long as the current system is in force, twitch can lose if they wanted to fight it by blindly allowing copyright violations. Remember megaupload? Or what happened to one of the pirate bay’s admins? Something like that could have happened to twitch as well, maybe not that brutal.

            The tech companies (including Google, probably also including twitch) are already putting their weight against the current copyright law. In Germany, Google has to block basically any music video as they else may be forced to pay excessive amounts of money to the GEMA. This is a huge loss in income for them no matter what they do.

      • Connor Myers

        They are NOT following copyright law.

  • Adam Miller

    Did not take long for google to start pulling there bullshit.

    • ThEGr33k

      Where?

    • iYeti

      Yeah, cleaning up illegal copyrighted content is ‘bullshit’.

      • Puro

        Laws are some times not what is right, for instance there was a period in American history commonly known as the prohibition..
        Black markets rose, organized crime flourished, all because of something being made ILLEGAL..
        Try again.

        • LEOXD

          Any person, including legal persons (this means companies including twitch) has to obey the law as it is right now. If you kill someone now, you go to jail, even if in a few years killing is no longer illegal.

          • ZeBaguetteGamer

            So Rosa Parks should’ve stood up because it was illegal for her not to leave her seat to a white man?

            Yeah, there’s a little something called civil disobedience. When the law is immoral, it should be broken.

            The current copyright system is obviously ill adapted to this century and should be revised because it strips actual content makers from their rights to the profits of big corporations who then own enormous amounts of IP, with way too many rights on them.

            I some more civilised countries, like most countries in Europe, many steps have been taken to ensure that IP appropriation through contracts cannot result in such absolute rights as in America. And it’s all the better for our studios, authors, musicians, etc… because their rights – as well as those of people who use their IP legally – are protected.

          • LEOXD

            Yes, the current copyright system is awful. But try civil disobedience if there is the entire music industry and maybe Hollywood as well in your neck and wants to sue you until you stop twitching. This was a fight that twitch couldn’t win.

          • Seth Wooten

            They could have handled it wayyyy differently though. You know, like maybe hiring a team of DMCA enforcers. That are you know, humans…

        • iYeti

          I’m not disagreeing with you, but this is how music is copyrighted at the moment. It’s illegal to be using it without permission.

          • Mattia Borgo

            What about in-game music?

          • LEOXD

            In-game music is as much protected by copyright law as anything else as well.

          • iYeti

            If the game sounds are muted on Youtube they won’t be muted on twitch. Most games do not have these issues. Some games will have issues of the music not being copyrighted properly and the game companies will have to deal with it, otherwise there is nothing legally we can do at the moment.

      • http://brdweb.com/ Jason Mitchell

        So why isn’t the whole damn video illegal then? The graphics are legally the games’ IP, so why just the music matters?

        • iYeti

          Because game companies are more hip to the idea of not copyrighting the fuck out of their costumers. They realize that if someone is playing their game it will help other people purchase it. Music companies don’t run this way, if you are using their music they want to be paid for it. It is different with games.

          • Spudlyman

            Then why are Nintendo games like Ocarina of Time getting copyright claims and muted for songs like “Lost Woods Theme”? Nintendo confirmed music company?

          • http://youtube.com/pokehacker TSLsmokey

            Nintendo is one of the more idiotic companies when it comes to this and it levies copyright claims on videos that are even protected under Fair Use or Satire/Parody Clause… They’re also one of the few that you have to go to court with(at least I believe that it’s like this) to get said false claims removed because they’re too pigheaded to actually realize they’re in the wrong… At least with the ones that are covered under Fair Use. But I could be wrong and if I am feel free to correct me.

      • jouva

        Yep. Even twitch can’t use their OWN material apparently! I mean, why else would it block part of the audio of their OWN official stream?

      • Kyo Murasakiiro

        But the copyright INCLUDES ambiance in the game you’re streaming. And this is a game streaming platform. Unless you play everything on mute, and only use royalty free music, then there’s literally no point to VODs in the first place. I would rather not have the streams recorded and stored at all, than have completely silent and/or broken ones. :/ The point in watching a stream isn’t JUST to watch it, it’s to listen, too. For me, personally, 90% of the time I spend on Twitch is watching Past Broadcasts. My internet isn’t strong enough for me to watch the stream, and do anything else that requires any form of internet connection. I’m also usually far too busy to spend a few hours straight just sitting at the stream. If this copyright protection act thing going on is anything as bad as it seems like it will be, then twitch will no longer be a service I use, as it will be completely useless to me. The sad thing is, they won’t care, as I’m the minority. Only a small percentage of us actually watch the recorded broadcasts. :C

    • Oscar

      where is the bullshit?

      • Puro

        Streamers not being allowed to even have in-game music on, because it’s against copyright laws.
        Did you even read the article? Oo

        • LEOXD

          And what has obeying the law to do with Google? Only because Google is obeying the law as well?

          • ajr1218

            Because Google owns Twitch. Even if they haven’t bought it yet.

          • LEOXD

            So then why do they use a competitors’ service and not Google’s Content ID?

          • ixsetf

            Probably because people like you will think that it’s not googles fault, cuz “oh it’s not googles content ID”. And then when you get used to the idea google will pull out the current system and replace it with their own.

          • ripbandit

            You legally don’t have to have an automated system to deal with copyright.

          • LEOXD

            That’s true. But then you have to deal with lots of DMCA takedown notices. Also, a online service provider has to make reasonable effort to prevent copyright violations. This means either taking down multiple infringers or, well, using an automated system that blocks infringements.

          • atypical douchebag

            then you can LEGALLY get sued for violating the law >.>

  • Jack Erskine

    RIP Twitch

  • EarthIsOnHell

    Twitch is ruined

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  • Jonas

    nice sellout twitch =.=

  • Epic Markell Joshua

    Time to change sites smh.

    • iYeti

      goodbye

      • Zach Cotten

        Do you work for Twitch? Okay then, stop damage controlling for them. You’re in the less than 1% minority that actually likes having their streaming experience ruined.

        • iYeti

          Stream experience isnt ruined. If your “stream experience” requires copyrighted music, there is nothing stopping you from actually playiung copyrighted music along with the streamer who will be playing the game. No I don’t work for Twitch, but I know about copyrighting with Youtube and Twitch more so than kids who are just raging about possible mutes they won’t experience if they just stream their games, and not Katy Perry.

          • Tensa

            The problem, genius, is that it doesn’t just mute the song that is violating the copyright, it mutes the ENTIRETY of the audio on the stream for a 30 minute block.

            “Ruin” is a pretty accurate definition for an experience if you’re simply watching someones stream VOD and then the audio cuts out for 30 minutes.

          • iYeti

            Sure. This is a problem. On Youtube they can actually mute the song and still have your voice and gameplay sounds, but its still experimental. It will probably come to twitch eventually. You know what you could do to avoid the whole “all audio being blocked”? Just don’t use copyright songs. Gameplay sounds and your voice sounds will be perfectly uneffected! :^)

          • cocopops

            you didnt read? it includes songs and ambiant music that are PART OF THE GAME

            Jesus, how much of a fucking tool can you be?

          • LEOXD

            A game is copyrighted itself, meaning that technically you need to get a permission from the publisher anyways.

          • iYeti

            What do you think? You think that every fucking game streamed on twitch is going to be 100% muted? Everyone is overhyping the fuck out of the in game song and ambient music. It won’t be copyrighted anymore than games that get hit with copyright on youtube for their in game songs and music.

          • Amer1ka

            Many games use licensed music that will be muted as a result of this. So a number of games will be muted simply because of the music used within it.

            I think this is a stupid mistake by the music companies though as I’ve been exposed and bought an incredible amount of music due to streamers playing background music that I would have normally never given a shot.

          • iYeti

            Is the game your thinking of mass muted on youtube? Then it won’t be on twitch. Most games have no issues with their in game sounds being copyrighted. If the copyright does happen its up to the game company to fix it for content producers otherwise there is nothing legally we can do at the moment.

          • Amer1ka

            You don’t know that at all. You are literally pulling that out of the air. Right now everything that meets the prereqs is getting muted where on YT all that would happen is monetization might get pulled and a link put up for where to buy the music. Very few YT videos get muted or partially muted.

            Any game that uses licensed and sold music, including their own soundtracks, can be affected. So you can stream the game but because of the music of the game it could get muted. I don’t know how you can ignore this and not see it as a huge problem where people SHOULD be speaking out. It’s a terribly underbaked thing that has been done and it should be amended until a logical solution is put into place.

  • andremm

    Good news keep on coming lol

  • Luna Kazemaru

    and everyone just got bodied

  • donewiththisshit

    Oh fuck off

  • Ohamis

    http://www.instagib.tv – We don’t have that :)

    Just sayin’

    • TheMvn

      I hear that http://instagib.tv site is just aces ;p

      • m3kun

        hmm.. their frontpage looks kinda sad tho. they could use some fresh paint

    • champs0r

      Does instagib even have VODs?

    • Matthew Merkle

      …yet. Any streaming service with a significant number of users will eventually have to implement a filter like this, or else they face massive copyright problems.

    • Will

      Also don’t have browse by game or any other useful features…

  • Dsy

    Welp, I guess Im not using Twitch anymore

    • Jeremy

      Do you watch VoD’s all day? This has NO EFFECT on live streams and if you’re watching casters who play music WHILE they stream then they must not be that entertaining to begin with.

      • Martin Sjöquist

        You do understand that this includes ALL in game sounds as well? So if a single sound from the game ITSELF (no third party music or anything) is heard, the sound of the player and all in-game sound is cut off as well? How fun is it to watch a VOD or a highlight with 0 sounds?

        • Puro

          As much fun as it is watching paint dry.

        • Ezzy

          in-game music, not sound effects. They’re not meant to be played publically anyways. Nor are games per se. Streaming is so new, that it’s been a grey area.

          • UnreliableLarry

            sounds effects are copyrightable too, I imagine.

          • Martin Sjöquist

            So they just implanted a ban on the entire site itself, saying we can not exist? That has to be the worst company decition of all time. “I know, lets ban our users from playing games, on a 100% gaming related stream site. I wonder what they will do instead?”

          • http://pandarogue.blogspot.com/ Yǒuhǎo Huǒ Māo

            As UnreliableLarry said below, some game audio sound effects have copyrights. I’ve been dinged on a few of my YouTube videos because of the in-game audio.

        • atypical douchebag

          every VOD would be muted then. since thats not true, what you said is not true.

          • Martin Sjöquist

            A typical example. http://www.twitch.tv/darkpython/b/555113798 40% of the VOD muted, despite most of it has in-game music and youtube playing in the background. The detection program just don’t have all the songs set yet.

      • Eric Fehr

        fact is though lots of streamers use there vods and upload them to youtube, the music they are muting is even bigger then on youtube, for example walking past a radio in fallout on youtube, no issue, doing it on twitch now means the vod will be muted. this means to get there own archive to put on youtube they would have to record and upload at same time and some people just dont have the computers to do that.

      • Senseless

        Or they just like to listen to music… And it does affect people who don’t play music.

      • giverous

        They flagged the T14 VODs (owned and broadcast by Valve) for having in-game sound from Dota 2, also owned by Valve. How do you NOT see how much of an issue this system is?

  • Hauntob

    freaking google *sigh*

  • John C

    ROONED

  • RealCrazYChrisS .

    nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • Puro

    Goodbye Twitch, we had fun but now Google has ruined it, peace.

  • Darkness429

    So don’t play music you don’t own in your stream. Plenty of free music out there

    • Rodorn

      In-game and ambient music. Streamers are getting fucked

    • Daniel

      Cant even let the game music play. That makes many games much less entertaining if there is zero music at all

      • Jeremy

        The average gamer doesn’t even pay attention to the music in game unless it’s a GTA style of game. I personally always turn off in game music because I have no interest in listening to it.

        • wialno28

          Who made you the spokesperson for the average gamer? I follow over 60 streamers, and almost all of them use the in-game music. Those who don’t play radio stations.

        • Acidic

          Actually most people do listen to a games music simply because it makes a game more atmospheric – ever tried playing Amnesia etc without any sound/music? Yeah point made. at least learn what you’re talking about before speaking about the average gamer.

    • rsqviper

      a simple 5 second music dityy from loading a zone can now flag an entire 30 minutes of footage. This is one of the nightmares on Youtube. Not as simple as saying “don’t play music on your stream.”

    • Andrea Kaindl

      fuck you. you could say: don’t play fuckin video games fuckin LIVE man.

  • blind

    RIP Twitch

  • hitboxtakeover

    billions of dollars billions of dollars

  • Dansgaming

    I can’t log into twitch, I forgot my Google+ Password :-(

    • Tamas Horvath

      danWTF

    • iYeti

      google+ is not being implemented in twitch, and it is completely dead in terms of any future projects for youtube. nice maymay tho! epik :^^^^^^)

      • Puro

        > google+ is not being implemented in twitch

        YET

        • iYeti

          Google has said it isn’t anything else is pure speculation. My pink unicorn from space isn’t here. YET !!! ! ! !

    • Puro

      [You need to login to Google+ to view this comment.]

      PS: Fuck you.

      • Antonio Assisi

        It was a joke, calm down

        • Mark Flores

          Pretty sure so was Puro’s statement. Antonio
          u calm da fuq down

          • Your mom

            Everybody calm the fuck down!

          • The Picnic Poacher

            EVERYBODY PICNIC!

    • LEOXD

      Note that audible magic is a company that is not Google. In fact, it’s the system everyone BUT Google uses. YouTube has it’s own Content ID, facebook, vimeo and now twitch use audible magic.

      • Evan Levenseller

        Youtube uses audible magic….

        • LEOXD

          [citation needed]
          As far as I know, YouTube uses Content ID.

          • Furluge

            There is a simple reason why they chose audible magic instead of contentID. Audible magic is a solution that’s sold to multiple companies. ContentID is, as far as I know, custom software from Google made for Youtube. Chances are AudibleMagic was chosen because it was cheaper and faster to use an “off the shelf” audiblemagic solution than to use contentID.

          • LEOXD

            Yes. But there are rumors around that Google is going to buy twitch (it has been “confirmed by sources”). If these rumors are true, there is no reason for twitch to use a third party service now if they get one anyways “soon”, even if the one “in-house” is heavily optimized for YouTube. Also, if they are about to get acquired by Google, there is no need to rush now to get a system implemented.
            And Content ID can, unlike audible magic, detect stuff in a livestream and not only in recordings.

          • Furluge

            Um, Leo, have you ever had to roll out software to a large network of systems before? I wrote what I wrote knowing full well about the google buyout, which is pretty much a done deal at this point. This would not be the first time a company had two different software solutions for the same problem. Again, just because they have access to ContentID doesn’t mean it was feasible to use that software on the Twitch.tv servers which could have made them look for an off the shelf solution for the Twitch.tv servers. It’s a perfectly viable explanation about why Google, a company that just picked up Twitch.tv, would force them to use another product than the one they already use in house. From Google’s perspective fulfilling their agreements to the MPAA and RIAA are important, not so much who provides the software solution.

            Unless you can provide me some hard evidence that ContentID would be easy to apply to Twitch.tv, somehting you couldn’t really answer without posting detailed information about both Youtube and Twitches processes, codecs, backend, etc. Then you can’t argue that Google didn’t push AudibleMagic on Twitch.tv. Please, use other arguments to make that point, but the ContentID vs AudibleMagic angle is a non-starter.

        • LEOXD

          Did some research. YouTube used audible magic a while ago, but since then switched to their own Content ID.

      • Andrea Kaindl

        What’s with all that “Note that…” why don’t u just f*ck yourselF?

    • Fabian222

      Dansgaming • 6 hours ago
      These are good changes for the long term, some people might be annoyed by some of the changes but they will learn to adapt just as they have with every other change. The focus on twitch has always been the live streams, the VODs are just an added extra. YouTube is far superior to twitch for VODs in every way except for the 30fps cap, but that will change soon.

      —

      realize that twitch is no longer the ones in charge and are changing your tone to suddenly mimic those against this to stay in the limelight of whoever you can brown nose the most?

      at least mvg is consistent.

      • Morgan Feldon

        “These are good changes for the long term”
        Yes, streaming games without the music is MUCH better. O.o

        • MrTempest

          Y’know, you could just share your favorites playlist on tunein or some other service for an optional legal background music for viewers.

        • LEOXD

          I made a spreadsheet of music that you can use here: http://goo.gl/CBr7le
          It was originally meant for YouTube, but you can most likely use the music listed there on twitch as well.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/114994124650840583731 Phil D.

            And how does that affect in-game music..

      • Labargoth

        “These are good changes for the long term”
        You’re literally Hitler.

      • sinrise

        “good changes” in that it’s less likely for you to get sued by Viacom’s army of soul-sucking-lawyers. It’s too bad no one at Twitch can be publicly honest about what horseshit this whole thing is. Still, I’d much rather have this happen than see Twitch go away altogether.

        Corporate America: Ruining Content for Everyone Since Forever.

      • Rocket

        You know who else said that? DIGG. Look where they are now.

    • Atticus

      Holy fuck, its Dan

  • Excaliber

    RIP Twitch!

  • PicklesTheGamer

    Well, Twitch and YouTube are fucked. Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to Vimeo we go.

  • Gryph

    Start of the end. Too bad you closed Justin.tv. RIP Twitch 2014

  • MEB

    a lot of QQ’ing out here

    • giverous

      When a system is so overzealous that it mutes T14 vods (owned and broadcast by Valve) for containing in game music from Dota 2 (made by Valve) then yes, something is very very wrong and people have a right to be pissed about it.

  • Matt Barile

    RIP twitch

  • Squithole

    So basically i’m unable to play the typical music i always play when i stream. Thank you Twitch.

    • Puro

      Correct, unless you’ve paid for the rights to distribute the artists music(implying you listen to one artist only) you can suffer legal ramifications for illegally distributing copyrighted material.

      Also you are unable to listen to in-game music unless the developer of the game has specified that their copyrighted material such as music in this case.

      Quite stupid.

      Quite google.

      I’m quite done with twitch.

      • Squithole

        Well at one point i talked to Pandora asking about using that and they told me to download the desktop app and use that…… I feel i can use that as a way of getting around this

        • Daniel

          Go look at the ContentID system on youtube. It is awful. So many false positives. People who have full permission to use music get flagged. I remember some artist of his own music that he created get flagged. It is a terrible system

        • rsqviper

          Pandora has zero rights to any music. You never have been allowed to do what you’re doing, actually. You need to go to the content owner (not the band, but their publisher, ie Sony records). And they will want a cut. One that is way bigger than they deserve. Time to go into creative commons.

  • http://www.phedran.com/ Phedran

    So if we’ve obtained streaming rights from musicians and other musical artists to be able to use their music on our streams already, how likely are we to get automatically flagged for that audio content every time it gets played? Is there any way we can circumvent having to deal with that process every time by submitting proof of permission, or somewhere that music artists can submit their music so that it doesn’t automatically get flagged?

    • Jayy Jayy

      It says in the post that it is “Music controlled by clients of Audible Magic” this means if they aren’t clients of Audible Magic it wont get flagged. Simple solution would be to ask the company who made said game to not be a client with them.

  • Benjamin Ritter

    OH MY GOD. Who thought this was a good idea? Stand up. Get out. You’re fired.

  • Dyslexicshark

    I guess Google is making demands already.

  • Mortalized

    RIP in pieces

  • CPGrungebob

    The hammer has come down… It was eventually going to happen.

  • doublezones

    I hate to be that guy. But really this was only a matter of time. It would have happened if Google made the purchase or not. It’s the laws of the land and the publishers choice.

    I’m not defending it, but it was coming for a long time now.

  • Matthew

    RIP Twitch

  • video game liker

    rip music games on twitch

  • Tim Troppoli

    Oh.

  • Hard_baby

    RIP TWITCH

  • Jesusdaniel3

    GOOGLE IS THE HAUSE :( :( T-T

  • Pickles

    Yep Twitch sold out to Youtube. Don’t sugarcoat this bs.

  • Alexia Raybrandt

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ raise your sellouts ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Baku

    RIP Twitch BibleThump

  • DehiXeM

    RIP IN PEACE

  • Dyslexicshark

    This includes in-game and ambient music. How can you stop that? play the game with no audio..what a horrible idea.

    • Jeremy

      Alot already do that so it’s nothing new.

    • Ezzy

      You’re supposed to create the content, not use all of someone elses stuff to make money off streaming. It’s very logical.

      • Tiago Toledo

        You create content by playing the game your way, and interacting with your viewers. Gameplay without audio is just not feasible.

  • lol

    Are you guys at twitch literally insane or something?

    • Blibis

      It’s Google.

  • NinjiHaku

    LET’S RIOT FOR OUR FREEDOOOOOM!!!!

  • Tim

    Do people not realize this is for VODs, not live broadcasts?

    “We are not scanning live broadcasts and there is no automated takedown of live content.”

    • hitboxtakeover

      For now…

  • Kendia The Hermit

    Live streams are probably next BibleThump

  • Lycanthrope

    It’s really time that copyright laws get brought into the “real world” instead of the ridiculous draconian fantasy we’re being subjected to by those without a clue…

  • SupahSang

    and that’s why twitch being bought is the end of twitch.

  • Alejandro Ortega

    okey esto huele a google y no a twitch ya valo verga con estos putos de google

  • Fredou116

    ”This includes in-game and ambient music”

    How in the world is this making sense? Twitch is a video game broadcasting platform… every single VOD is going to have music and sound from official games! Are they going to mute 90% of every video? Might as well take down the whole thing.Damn Google

    • Puro

      YO! If you liked the music in Krysis the FUCK YOU if the developer hasn’t specifically stated that their stuff can be distributed freely and you want to listen to beautiful art(not saying the music in krysis is good, just an example), you are scum who has broken the internet law according to google the almighty internet overlord king over kings ruler of rulers.

      • Alexia Raybrandt

        This isn’t even a funny post ironically. Go away.

        • Puro

          It’s funny because it’s true, google sets the laws around these parts(internet).

          • joker

            thats retarded because google has to do that, they were forced because of copyright issues. Google niether wants this to happen nor can they do something about it, the game creators have the right to claim their stuff.

          • Puro

            And Twitch had the right to say no to being bought, yet they did so fully knowing it would fuck over their so-called “partners” as THEY call the streamers..

          • https://www.youtube.com/user/blodstainer Klas Kiander

            Fuck Copyright, they have enough lawyers and money to go against a broken, outdated system which doesn’t in any way, shape or form works with a medium such as the internet

          • LEOXD

            Note that the other side, Hollywood, has even more lawyers and – more importantly – lobbyists which want this broken, outdated, copyright system to get even worse.

          • Mark Flores

            i swear if i read one more comment with that retarded “Note that…. this, or Note That…that” im gonna pray to the internet gods to erase your twitch/disqus/facebook accounts and reach through the monitor and bitch slap you with baby powder. THE END…….

          • Furluge

            You want to know the crazy part? Hollywood was created on piracy. Namely to avoid Edison’s patents on the kinetiscope and the rest of the film making process. They went there to stall for time until the patents ran out. X.x The MPAA: Founded on the very thing they’re trying to crush.

            (First link I could find on the internet that looked well written.)
            http://www.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=51722

          • Ezzy

            I doubt Google has anything to do with this. This has been in the pipeline for months. Logical progression. Can’t steal forever.

          • Furluge

            If you honestly believe this is stealing you need your head examined. Stealing requires you to take something from someone else. Do you think if I draw a picture of Spider Man I’m stealing from Marvel? Because as far as copyright law is concerned it’s the same thing.

          • Ömer

            So basicly Google brings democracy to the interwebz now… What a suprise…

          • LEOXD

            Why says it’s Google? The service twitch uses is owned by a direct competitor of Google.

        • Ezzy

          It’s not funny, it’s true. You don’t pay for the privilege to stream or play their music publically. That’s the whole point of this.

    • wialno28

      I’ve actually purchased quite a bit of music (game soundtracks and songs played during breaks) because of streams. That won’t happen anymore, because I’ll never get the opportunity to hear that music. So stupid.

      • saluk

        I agree that this is stupid… but how often do you watch VOD’s? I watch them when I miss something really exciting, but I must admit it is really rare. I almost always would prefer to watch something life. I am on twitch every day, but I watch a VOD maybe once a month.

      • Kizoja

        Even if people weren’t interested in the game’s music. I assume the company that made the game’s logic is they don’t want people making money off their product, but think of all the free advertising these streamers do for them. Think of how much DayZ blew up just because of Twitch. There’s a lot of other games that fall into that category too.

  • rsqviper

    Google is like, “please put our fingerprints on your site BEFORE we take it over so people don’t blame us afterwards for changing too much.”

  • Rogelio Gómez

    So… One of the main reasons people used Twitch has been fucked up… Youtube-ish

  • ssh

    I’m gonna go build my own Twitch, with blackjack and hookers.

    • NaokiB4U

      You know what, forget twitch and just run with that plan.

  • lol

    I wonder how Steve Aoki feels about this?

  • zanyt

    Streamers arent supposed to play ANY music on their casts anyway…so what?!

  • Jesusdaniel3

    TWITCH!!! 2007-2014

    • zanyt

      2011-2014

  • Thebiglloydtree

    Just wondering – serious question – what’s the actual point of doing this? You could have just removed the VOD system and achieved the same end result.

  • Jesusdaniel3

    TWITCH!!! 2007-2014…

  • Headwound_

    What about streamers that have written permission to play music. How will the system know this?

    • Emwe

      This is google, making good working tools for their money makers (like a registry for permission to use) is not what they like to do.

    • Blibis

      Google doesn’t care. Look at YouTube, people are getting copyright strikes even if they have permission.

    • reverb256

      Nobody wants to put in the effort to detect something like that.
      It’s not something they care about.

  • Kappa

    RIP Twitch BibleThump

  • Zobasek

    Fuck twitch for now, let’s find a real-life.

  • Stephen Moyer

    Fuck you google.

  • MopeyJoe

    If this Audible Magic is meant to block all in-game and ambient music on Twitch VODs, wouldn’t that mean all VODs of video games (i.e., literally all VODs on Twitch) that haven’t muted their audio during stream would be muted by Audible Magic?

    • http://marcmagus.dreamwidth.org marcmagus

      Nah, only games registered with Audible Magic, which probably means only AAA titles from major studios, because who else would pay tons of money to Audible Magic to seek out their copyright.

  • Jesusdaniel3

    this is a suck :( google fuck u

  • LGscoundrel

    Includes in-game audio? This is a joke. If you don’t have the tech to differentiate music that’s part of the game from other music, don’t enforce at all! False flags have made YouTube an incredible mess, we’ve seen this already.

  • rsqviper

    How long until people start losing partner and monetization when a song comes on in their game? Hmmm.. wonder who will be the first to taste that pain?

  • Darklycan51

    oh fuck off twitch

  • BoscoMoney

    You guys are ruining Twitch.

  • Himiodzio

    thx google…. RIP Twitch :/

  • kid_jenius

    Twitch is dead :(

  • Animaniac190

    Thanks, Google. Now I’ll never stream on Twitch!

  • Marc Poolman

    Dont block music and thats final music should be free for EVERYONE

  • Jesusdaniel3

    twitch is off 2007-2014

  • Katakura

    Ingame Music?
    yeah i call bullshit…
    Twitch just lost 10-20% of theri viewers i´m certain

    • Tyler

      Even more, Mate.

  • Chase Evans

    No, sorry, but by taking away streamers rights to listen to their music while playing a game isn’t going to accomplish anything. This partnership with Audible will do nothing but harm the community, because it affects highlights and streamers who are only trying to do one thing: play the game the way they want while catering to an incredibly finicky audience. Maybe Twitch is partly to blame for voluntarily doing this, but the music industry just loves shooting themselves in the foot at every turn, don’t they?

    • rsqviper

      It has never been ok to stream using copyright music as your backdrop. Literally never. But what this problem brings is the ambient songs in a video game and the shitstorm that will bring.

      • iYeti

        Anything that would be uploaded to youtube copyright, would be copyright in twitch. How many gameplay videos do you see completely muted because of a song in the game on youtube? Ok, then it won’t happen on twitch.

        • MMO123

          It’s already happened to me. I’ve had entire videos, 1 1/2 to 2 hours long completely muted from beginning to end because of songs or other audio in the game. So take your Twitch apologist BS and shove it.

        • rsqviper

          You don’t see them muted. On YouTube it works generally differently then that. It is flagged and monetization is removed. Copyright strikes against the user also happen, but they don’t outright mute very often.

      • Anders ‘Avo’ Lauritsen

        You do know, legal or not, that a major part of the music today gets massive promotion through streame, videos etc?.. Taking that away is really playing russian roulette with a full chamber. Nevertheless this is such a terrible decision Twitch has made. As if “banning” listening to Spotify while playing a game and recording that isnt stupid enough, they do it for ingame audio aswell? On a game-streaming website? Gotta look for another streaming service now, this is beyond ridiculous..

        • rsqviper

          Yeah, the ambient stuff really sucks. in legal terms it is the way it is, but to me it shouldn’t be like this. if a song is in a game, they got paid to be in that game. If that song naturally occurs in a game, there shouldn’t be any copyright on the song in that instance, as the copyright should be held up by the game. I think it’s bullshit how the law works.

  • Lain Szvahl

    This was comming miles and miles away when Youtube/Google came in to play, one of the biggest Evil right next to Apple

  • Bullimarm

    Twitch plays Unauthorized Game Content Where they must press buttons to a screen without audio or video and till someone on the other ends the beat the censored out game because they are afraid it might hurt some corporate suit’s feelings.

  • http://www.luigi-design.com Lou

    “We are not scanning live broadcasts and there is no automated takedown of live content.” Yet

    • Puro

      Give it a week.

    • CPGrungebob

      The day isn’t over yet…

    • HillhomeGaming

      yet is indeed the keyword in that sentence. :/

  • Rodorn

    Oh please PLEASE protect our precious content Google -_- Cause they’ve done such a good job with Youtube

  • Babybooma

    its for vods only right? so, we have to do a little more work to upload our videos to you tube now. like MuSIC, VOICE OVER, probably another webcam.. ok, all the fun of the moment in twitch is pretty much not uploadeable. I have to agree with the majority.. RIP

  • Harry C

    Literally the dumbest decision you’ve made so far

  • Jighen

    ingame and ambient noise from a game will be effected. Don’t assume this will just affect the streamers that are using not owned music. Major streamers, beware!

    • rsqviper

      they literally say this in the blog. This is the stuff that drives me bananas on YouTube. Some little side music from one zone to another and the whole damn video is flagged.

  • kk

    Next thing you know you will have to combine google+ accounts with twitch accounts

  • cube

    Seriously just announce you’ve been bought out already, it’s obvious as fuck by now.

  • FREE TWITCH

    FOR FUCK SAKE, IF TWITCH DO THIS, EVERYONE LEAVES. EVERYONE! EVERYBODY HATES THIS, WE DONT WANT THIS, WE WANT MUSICAL FREEDOM, “FREE TWITCH” !!!!!!!

  • Crateria

    RIP Twitch and diaf Google. Like the fieriest fire on the damn planet.

    God forbid you just fucking left Twitch how it was, ya know… successful.

  • Kristian Hansen

    twitch is going to kill themself if this is starting to become a trend. wouldnt suprise me if they are going to target live streams aswell….

  • Marc Poolman

    How does one play without music (he does not play good)

  • Tristane

    Well done…do you know how many people actually play music while streaming? This is an abuse of the copyright system and Twitch is basically muting all the videos now.

  • Spudlyman

    Disgusting. Absolutely fucking disgusting. I thought we had at least a little bit of an ally with Twitch. I’m so disappointed my sighs are being heard in China right now.

  • Yukii

    Rip in Peace Kappa

  • Rodorn

    Coming up- every livestream gets a commissar assigned to protect the precious precious music

  • Link135

    rip in pepperoni

  • Ruben HD Hanssen

    Suddenly USTREAM looks pretty appealing.

    • Andrea Kaindl

      uuuuh, I wouldn’t go THAT far, but maybe… yes. u got a point there. haha

  • Katakura

    Fuck you Twitch

  • blamespace

    Fuck you guys

  • Kiri Lastname

    THE KING IS DEAD, LONG LIVE HITBOX

  • HelixSnake .

    No one is going to risk having 30 fucking minutes of their broadcast MUTED because of in-game music. This isn’t like Content ID where the stuff stays up but the money goes to whoever.

    Twitch is as good as dead because of this.

  • Dyno900

    All aboard the Hype train! leaving twitch going to Hitbox!

  • Lars Berglund Johansen

    First you shut down Justin.tv.. now this.

  • http://www.twitch.tv/specialist7 specialist7

    lol now try watching those league, hs, dota2 games now without music

  • 黒木 智子

    This just makes VOD more useless than it all ready is because the whole audio will become muted and it will be so annoying. Next up, Stream mutes because your playing Sony music. And mute video game music? This is big joke :/

  • Link135

    ggwp close game twitch, but you fucked up.

  • ★ Wolfgang Wozniak

    I’m fuming over here.

  • Jordy Jones

    Twitch TV’s success was in large part due to infringing on copyright content via Justin TV

  • Nevicar

    THIS IS THE BEST DECISION YOU GUYS COULD HAVE MADE NEXT TO RECREATING THE HOLOCAUST

  • draftthecreator

    google. go and fuck yourselves

  • Rodorn

    The VODS are being flagged?? But how will I get my free music now? BibleThump lol

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  • Marc Poolman

    lets sue google

  • Damnyoubowie

    This is not a good solution to something as commonplace as third party music in media content. That type of music is in almost every game to some extent. Muting entire VOD’s based on whether or not a Twitch partner (or not) will have third party music playing in the background during a video-game stream on a site whose main service is to showcase people playing video-games…That’s so backwards in every way. This policy needs to be altered to not affect the quality of VOD’s, as that is one of the many facets of Twitch that keep viewers tuned in to broadcasters and become an active part of the Twitch community.

  • Toby

    RIP To the Twitch this used to be

  • BERSERK1337

    damn you google you just have to get your dirty money grubbing paws on everything i like to use and fuck you twitch for selling out.

  • ★ Wolfgang Wozniak

    SEE EVERYONE ON HITBOX.TV!

  • Luke Mear

    hi! Could you please send this to the google owner/owners: “STOP FUCKING EVERYTHING GOOD UP! FIRST YOUTUBE NOW TWITCH! D:<

  • S0ulEater1400

    Hitbox.tv > Twitch.
    You lost your fan base Twitch. RIP.
    Kappa

  • Nicolas Smith

    Officially done with twitch, looks like its time to delete my account

  • Joshua Palmer

    RIP Twitch as said. Wow.

  • Josh

    RIP Twitch

  • John McConnell

    I guess I’m going to have to call up Young the Giant every time I want to play League of Legends and stream it.

  • Will

    None of this bullshit should mean anything when the music isn’t being featured and is just background noise. How long until the RIAA starts crashing parties where people play licensed music?

    • Kristian Hansen

      yup, thats why i am thinking aswell. it will happen, if twitch allows it to happen.

  • http://dangeru.net/ Christopher Ortiz

    hitbox.tv, people! it’s still not too late to just jump and let Google sink Twitch.

    • comso20

      sad thing is that once we do this google will just buy hitbox.

  • Chino

    R.I.P. Twitch siempre te recordaremos….

  • jens ganister

    GOGLE HAS STRUCK

  • NomadicGamer

    so many people livelyhoods are about to be ruined gg twitch

  • Andrea Kaindl

    WHAT IN THE FUCK? hahahah, this is sooo great. thanks twitch. it was nice times, but it seems it’s over now. goodbye.

  • Travission

    So at Pax Prime, you plan on selling Google shirts at your panel too?

  • lilelf29

    RIP Twitch – 2014

  • Rodorn

    Written by Elizabeth “Boo” Baker hahaha “Boo Maker” would be more appropriate

  • Andrea Kaindl

    and RIP 24 hour streams.

  • Virab

    RIP Twitch 2007-2014

  • BadGAEM

    Thanks, Google. Kappa

  • LastRide14

    RIP Twitch you dun goofed

  • Zercophittecko

    report twitch

  • Anthony Budreau

    How the fuck am i going to play PS4 games on Twitch? INGAME MUSIC IS A MUST…fuck..

  • concerned consumer

    good job, you just lost your entire consumer base.

  • Gigadc

    Hello hitbox.tv!

  • Dylan

    Yeah screw google for protecting intellectual copyrighted property, so bad of them.

    • Rodorn

      Yeah! Google foiled my plans of ripping ingame music from frikkin VODs -_-

    • Emwe

      If only it would be protected right and not with 100% greed, say the same words to the average artist who got at least 1 or more of his works stolen by major companies and is unprotected against it.

  • Robin Muscato

    dang google. i get copyright is wrong but when come to live stream. it not the host doing…

  • Deljams Realm

    FUCK YOU GOOGLE

  • Daniel Oliver

    Ожидаемо, прощай twich gf hf

  • Luke Mear

    hi! Could you please send this to the google owner/owners: “STOP FUCKING EVERYTHING GOOD UP! FIRST YOUTUBE NOW TWITCH! D:<…..

    • Cheezwizz

      google doesn’t actually own it yet, this is entirely twitch’s doing.

      • Luke Mear

        the deal went through recently! google do now own twitch

        • Cheezwizz

          And the “we’re deleting everything in a few weeks” post was the exact opposite i expected from google management. Great.

    • Dylan

      Whats fucked up about youtube?

      • Luke Mear

        same as this and google+

  • Extermi

    Ripperino Twitcherino FailFish

  • Kyle Johnson

    SELLOUT RIP TWITCH

  • Woobz

    No worries, there is still this new platform called gaminglive.tv

  • MaxiTB

    I just checked the prices on Audible … they are crazy expensive. No wonder music is still so overpriced while production costs are nowadays a joke compared to 10 yrs ago.

    • Emwe

      I would call it the train ticket effect, for some reason the price increased, some people now decide to ride without one. And now the idea to counteract the loss by those who don’t pay is to increase the prices even more! genius right?

  • XSiDe

    RIP TWITCH ! Congrats Google.

  • Adasumizox

    RIP Twitch

  • ShpongleCraft

    Was fun while it lasted guys. Only downhill to the mainstream river from here on out… Now…

  • Marusame

    Great, ruin the one last harbor of hope for entertainment on the net, fuck you google, fuck you.

  • Chilly Kazilly

    THIS IS BULLSHIT, twitch was a nice place to hang with some good people, listen to music and play games. NOW THIS BULLSHIT HAPPENS. FUCK YOU GOOGLE

  • http://www.twitch.tv/specialist7 specialist7

    if you cant beat them, buy them!

  • DannyDlm

    Im just waiting for People to get Vods with Just them and there speaking on to get flagged. Let alone now making me watch MUTE vods since many of the streams I miss have Nightbots Songlist active on them

  • Yukii

    Dumb Fucks Kappa x’D

  • Cory Swartz

    RIP Twitch.

  • bebopbandit

    “Starting today, Twitch will be implementing technology intended to help broadcasters avoid the storage of videos containing unauthorized third-party audio. ”

    This is why I hate Twitch. Every decision that’s designed to fuck with the streamer is an attempt to “help us.” Look, I don’t care if you feel you have to do this from some legal stand point, but don’t try to fucking lie to us with your doublespeak. Just say you’re doing it and be done with it.

    • Andrea Kaindl

      well said.

  • mrmario5500 .

    booooooooooooooooooo

  • Gabriel Valente

    RIP Twitch. Lets hope that a new cool streaming service take your place…

  • Pork Eating Crusader

    Thank you Mr. Shekelstein

  • http://twitch.tv/redrosser RedRosser

    So Twitch is Dead i think anyone know i good streaming website

  • Exe

    Are you fucking kidding? Muting streamers that use copyrighted music that is not related to the fucking game they play is in my opinion totaly fine since almost all games come with their own music today…. What is NOT fine is muting VoDs for the GODDAMN INGAME MUSIC that is part of the played game. This is so stupid I can’t even find words to describe how dumb twitch is, hope they dig their own grave with crap like this…

  • Louie

    It appears that this is only going to effect the saved VOD’s and not the live stream (lets hope) so simple answer, don’t save VOD’s that have audio that you don’t own the rights.

    • http://www.twitch.tv/specialist7 specialist7

      past broadcast and highlights, so you may be able to play music while you live stream but anyone who watches your past broadcast or attempt to do any highlights/upload will have blocked content

      • Louie

        I guess the highlights will be effected but I mainly use Twitch for live broadcasting, don’t get me wrong, still a bad move but I don’t blame Twitch, I blame the music industry

        • http://www.twitch.tv/specialist7 specialist7

          well I think for the time being its a storm right now but i think live broadcasting would be unaffected but people who sub to the bigger channels that cant always watch their live content and rely on past broadcast/highlights to watch have the short end of the stick.. so this will kinda push either people not playing any music/take music requests (nightbot) etc.. to having to play music that dont take actions (monstercat), to people having to use buy license content through another party and all that jazz.. so tl;dr this is just google-fied just like everyone on youtube…

  • Angry Aaron

    Who the fuck watches VODs on Twitch?

  • Cheezwizz

    Ok, so apparently i was wrong and google did definitely buy twitch extremely recently? last week that was still just a rumor.

  • https://www.massivecocks.gov/ Bikdark

    RIP every League of Legends Streamer

  • Colin Murray

    RIP Twitch

  • Cymen

    R.I.P. Twitch.

  • Rodorn

    VODS are not a big deal…unless you get STRIKES for flagging

    • Damnyoubowie

      A TON of people rely on the VOD’s when they have full-time or even multiple jobs. This is really going to cripple the viewer-bases to some extent.

  • ShpongleCraft

    RIP Twitch

  • gui

    is this a fucking joke

    • rip twitch

      I had to double check my calendar to make sure it wasn’t april 1st…. this is a pr nightmare and will probably cause the end of twitch

  • Claws Canidae

    Oh, how nice. Another big Streaming Service Provider opens itself up to the Class Action Lawsuit that all the Let’s Players and Long Players are too afraid to file even though they know they would win it in an honest court…because they also know that it would never SEE an HONEST court in the current corporately-bribed political atmosphere. These performances are protected under the very DMCA and other copyright laws that companies, who often don’t even have litigation rights for the media in question, keep invoking against them. Of course, it may well be that Twitch actually thought an update through for once, since they’ve got that “[...] reserves the right to stop filtering [...]” clause ready so that they can wash their hands of this activity at the first sign of said lawsuit…

    • Matthew Merkle

      Streaming copyrighted music isn’t protected by the DMCA under any provision, especially not Fair Use, just FYI. Twitch is doing this because they know there’s no way they can handle the thousands of individual DMCA requests they’ll get if they don’t.

      • Claws Canidae

        Actually, use of the background audio of the games when you’re creating a review video or a playthrough video is protected under Fair Use, FYI. Thanks for trying, though.

        • Matthew Merkle

          Sorry, I keep looking but I don’t see this rule you just made up anywhere in the Fair Use provisions. It’s derivative content, and that’s a huge red flag. At best, you might get away with it if it were a parody or strictly in tiny parts for a review, but a Let’s Play or anything of the like is completely not covered by Fair Use. It uses substantial portions of the work, is usually for commercial use, is not educational, is not a parody or critique, and is derivative. Those are huge problems. Just ask Nintendo on how they feel about their standing with regards to video usage of their content.

  • Banjogeek

    RIP twitch

  • Yukii

    RIP TWITCH Kappa

  • Gabriel Vescovi

    So, it begins. Congrats on all the money guys!

  • Adam sandbakken

    Godbye music

  • falubaz

    thx google

  • Stereorage82

    Fuck off twitch! Seriously! You are going to ruin everything that people have works so hard for. Even music built into games will get picked up and muted now. But hey, no worries. there is always Hitbox and Instagib, and then there is dailymotion to upload to.

  • Dsy

    ＨＩＴＢＯＸ　ＲＥＶＯＬＵＴＩＯＮ

  • Audyo

    Hi Google!

  • http://henrikblomgren.net Henrik Blomgren

    So everything being streamed after it being live will get Muted since all gameplay and everything is copyrighted music?

    When did twitch become Youtube? 2 mails today from you and boy, none of them had any good information in them.

  • Rodorn

    Dont hate on Twitch hate on Google

  • TheBlackRabbit

    http://www.twitch.tv/feardarkness/b/555212959 <————————-muted

    • Yukii

      Poor Guy ._.

      • TheBlackRabbit

        ikr. the end is already beginning

  • CyclopsDragon

    Well there goes every single rhythm game stream highlight pretty much ever.

  • tru3ta1ent

    Google bought twtich, justin tv is finished because google cant cope with all the copywrite claims and its just a few months till google+ fudges over twitch. Google cant cope if everything isnt googlyfied and using somthing around google+ and omh the copywrite claims lol If google do to twtich what they did to youtube, well any1 will be able to fake a name and take down a channel lol

  • Typhooncallum15

    Fuck you Twitch.

  • Jensen

    New alternative for Twitch => gaminglive.tv

  • TechnoSyndrome

    Hey you! Yeah, you, the person reading this comment! Have you heard of hitbox.tv? It’s pretty great.

  • MegaMeister

    yeah, peace twitch.

  • Qalmee

    GOOGLE HYPE!!! Kappa

  • Dillon Jackson

    All you Google haters lol I bet u still use google as your search engine. Most people in this world have android and u act like it so hard to login to gmail but u do it evertday whats the difference frim logging into yahoo etc. Do you hate Google for trying for faster internet to (Google fiber) or what about net neutrality ya Google fighting that to.

    • CPGrungebob

      Bing, Outlook, Nokia 1020… So Nope. Microsoft makes their money by actually selling to you, not advertisers. So I can hate a company that spies on it users to sell their info to advertisers.

  • TheFGT

    shitstorm on google!!!

  • DarkieKnight

    Some kind of good news, According to Monstercat Music Licensing, “MONSTERCAT WILL NEVER STRIKE A VIDEO USING OUR PUBLICLY AVAILABLE MUSIC”

    “Monstercat music can be used in all video gaming content.”

  • disqus_d77HUoQ53x

    Time to find new streaming site

  • Anne Munition

    How does this impact in-game music/sound effects – wouldn’t all those be copyrighted and therefore muted?

    • CPGrungebob

      I know sound effects are not copyrighted… but this does affect in-game music.

    • cloudwolf

      if the ingame music is in their databse (like music in GTA) it’ll be muted

  • Robin Muscato

    i wonder how many user got ban within 1hr of this news?

  • Bradley Jacobs

    So, if I (wanted to) record in-game play footage, it can now get muted because of this software. Well, good luck being around any further.

  • Shawn Paillot

    The stupidity of this decision is utterly astounding. Why even have VoD now? It’s pointless. Already massive chunks of multiple past broadcasts are silenced, rendering it without purpose to even view. Unbelievable.

  • Frostbyte AU

    Im guessing that Twitch *uhhh wait Google* will end up having Subscription based accounts like Netflix, So pay to watch streams then pay for turbo for no ads then pay to sub to you favorite streamers, if not that then something similar its all about the $

  • fff

    google please stop destroying everything

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

  • Rodorn

    Yep. This will tell you everything you need http://www.twitch.tv/feardarkness/b/555212959

  • Joseph

    Game Over YEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! Rip in pieces Twitch.tv

  • robertzombie

    *slow clap*

  • KINGPOTATOO

    TWITCH IS KILL

  • Stereorage82

    Fuck off twitch! Seriously! You are going to ruin everything that people have works so hard for.

  • Cloud64

    twitch fucking sucks now

  • Steven Martinez

    FUCK YOU

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

    • Dylan

      What the fuck that sentence made 0 sense

      • TheBlackRabbit

        ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      • fuckingfaggot

        It’s an epic me-me m8, made by an internet me-me site known as “reddit.

  • jaffa

    GG. end of streaming, time for shitbo- hitbox tv

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like??

  • GamerLCD

    Well Google, that was quick.

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like???

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like????

  • Progers

    RIP Twitch

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like????????

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like???????????

  • Axel

    Rip in pieces.Last nail in the coffin.Also, google, go fuck yourselves with a cactus.

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like??????????

  • Game Master Society

    1. Videos on this site are not monetized in any fashion, and all of which have always been to share gameplay experiences to other people, meaning A) Every last one of them qualifies under the ‘fair use clause’ under copyright law because no-one is making money from the videos that are being broadcasted, and they more often than not, have commentary, which is one of the criteria used to determine fair use. And B) It is a lawful and justified use of said content under the same criteria.
    2. If you try to tell me that I’m breaking the law by offering my commentary (with minimal background music and sound, mind you) with the game that I’m playing, I’ll see you in court, where I’ll shove the fair use clause down your throat and then sue you for lost time and expenditures, period.

    • whaines

      I think you need to read up on fair use. Just because it’s not for profit doesn’t mean it’s fair use.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Common_misunderstandings

      • Game Master Society

        I deal with fair use every day, I know well what it is and I didn’t say that it’s fair use ‘just because it’s not for profit’, I said “more often than not, [these videos]have commentary, which is one of the criteria used to determine fair use”. Please do re-read a comment before trying to say that I don’t know what I’m talking about, because you clearly didn’t read/understand what I said.

        • whaines

          It depends on how the copyrighted material was used and what the commentary is. If you’re commenting on a game and using Pandora quietly in the background it is not fair use. If you’re reviewing a game and use game audio that is fair use.

          Also you did say exactly that: ” Every last one of them qualifies under the ‘fair use clause’ under copyright law because no-one is making money from the videos that are being broadcasted”

          • Game Master Society

            Again, if you’re going quote me, quote the entire sentence, not just the part you want people to see. I said: “Every last one of them qualifies under the ‘fair use clause’ under
            copyright law because no-one is making money from the videos that are
            being broadcasted, AND they more often than not, have commentary, WHICH IS one of the criteria used to determine fair use.”. Go troll somewhere else. Also, one of the criteria also states that it falls under fair use if the content is used in a means that is informational/educational, and these videos also qualify under that. So again, fair use.

          • whaines

            Not trolling, just educating. Fair use is often taken too far and many think it extends farther than it does.

            Do you have a reply for the part that matters? It applies to your reply as well:

            It depends on how the copyrighted material was used and what the commentary is. If you’re commenting on a game and using Pandora quietly in the background it is not fair use. If you’re reviewing a game and use game audio that is fair use.

          • Twitchtvuser

            If you are quoting wikipedia to educate someone then you are clearly ignorant. Go away, next time cite an agency, a respectable journal, or something that is the original format. You are a troll and I am annoyed to have wasted my time with you.

          • Game Master Society

            If someone uses pandora in the background, that’s their problem because that is obviously not within fair use, as they are broadcasting an external sound for use in their video. But that’s not what I’ve been referring to, nor is that what this apparent new rule is about.
            Also, you haven’t said anything remotely educational in any comment thusfar, the only thing you’ve been doing is misquoting me and putting forth useless points (pandora) that have nothing to do with what’s actually being talked about (muting video based on the game sound only).
            My response has been stated repeatedly already, if you can’t figure that out by now then you are either a troll, or a dumbass.

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like???????????

  • Red

    This sucks. Rest in peace.

  • Paulie9990

    RIP Twitch 2011-2014 Everyone flood hitbox

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like???????????????????????

  • Matt Huster

    Didn’t take long for Google to ruin twitch, hahaha.

  • Daniel

    If this isn’t fixed, Twitch will be destroyed. RIP in piece. I loved you….

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like????????????????????????????

    • Rodorn

      Fuck your spamming

  • Will G

    Saints Row 3 VODs are VERBOTEN ! No Hot Pizza For You!

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like????????

  • Kappa

    Goodbye Twitch highlights

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like??????????????????????????

  • KINGPOTATOO

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

    ?????????

  • James Kniseley

    This is kind of stupid for past VODS, I mean they were done before this was implemented. Also They are not streaming just music. They are playing games so no one is going to download the video and rip the song off because there are other sounds as well. This is stupid IMO and ruins what made twitch great. You could stream your game and listen to your favorite music while playing. No what you have to play all your games in silence? Bad move twitch.

  • NEVERFLY INSKY

    Не стримил на твитч, но осуждаю!

  • Darkharmony

    So a automated system is going to flag “in game music” so another words we play a game that has been allowed to use the music in the game. And we broadcast said game. The twitch streamer gets flagged for doing nothing but playing. Well you can forget people probably streaming games such as Saints Row, GTA and a whole host of others.

    Now I’m just waiting for all those streamers who actually have permission to broadcast certain music to get flagged because some stupid robot doesn’t have a clue what the streamer has been allowed and not allowed to play.

    TY google for another stab in the back.

    • Rodorn
      • Darkharmony

        Honestly, if someone was streaming music they weren’t allowed to that’s one thing. What my main gripe is about is when people play a game that has real music in it. Their whole VOD is going to get hit because of in game music.

  • Lolmuhhhhhhh

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Narukami-Bancho

    Hey, remember that time the Recording Industry interests were put above the basic ability to use your service? Good times!

  • aleks24

    pls die in a fire YOU’RE RUINING TWITCH WITH YOUR COPYRIGHT BULLSHIT

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/raddishist Yoshi_138

    (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

  • Yukii

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Kappa

    Does google know the majority of internet users hate them?

    • WTFGOOGLE

      The only thing they do good is their search engine

      • Nope.jpg

        DuckDuckGo my friend…

      • I chose this name because I wa

        I like bing. They give you free money.

    • Robin Muscato

      i think about 99.99% of them now

  • fuckingfaggot

    J E W S

  • John

    Bravo for killing Twitch! You guys really suck… F*** you Google for killing another great site!

  • Rodorn

    Is this a bad thing? Have a look http://www.twitch.tv/feardarkness/b/555212959

    • Sean

      Yeesh… that’s not good at all. That’s downright ****y…

  • Darji

    all hail Google….. Seriously this is getting ridiculous just say we are using Google’s draconian s methods and be done with it.

  • Adasumizox

    Google sucks

  • WTFGOOGLE

    FUCK YOU GOOGLE. RIP TWITCH.

  • Sublime

    Fuck you twitch you greedy fucking jews

  • Someone

    RIP Twitch…

  • KINGPOTATOO

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • KINGPOTATOO

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  • AroundTheWorld

    Hey Twitch, can you not? I really need you to leave Twitch alone.

  • Hitakashi

    This is the same system that Youtube used (Or is still using) for Audio Copyright. PS: It was garbage.

  • SirTapTap

    You sicken me

  • MHoge

    Rest in Peace, dear twitch.
    …
    …
    …
    fckin google

  • Realkman666

    G’bye!

  • Cameron

    What would be great is if Twitch partnered a company like Spotify to allow viewers to listen to the same music as the broadcaster at the same time.

  • Lolmuhhhhhhh

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  • Theawesome67

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Cole.

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Bmc

    I cant watch past broadcasts anymore because twitch has decided to mute 70% of the video. RIP Twitch

  • Alonso Elias Cisneros

    RIP Twitch It’s funny because it’s Google

  • LokusT

    One of the most hostile Reddit AMAs incoming…..

  • http://www.carlskantz.se Phew

    What in the holy mother of f#ck is this supposed to go well for twitch?
    This hurt everything… ffs, this makes me super angry..

  • MegaMeister

    if I can’t watch vods I pay for can you please give me back those 40 bucks a month I’ve spent over 2 years on this website to watch them?

  • AdamDalsheim

    Fucking sellout.. I mean, 2,000,000,000,000$ is alot of money, but it is not always about the money.

    How many people do you really think is gonna watch twitch? honestly..

    Tell google to fuck right off.

    FUCK YOU GOOGLE.

    Sincerely// Wax

  • dsDoan

    This isn’t going to go over well..

  • Gamebuster21 .

    So what now? All old videos containing copyrighted songs are going to be muted? They might as well just turn off audio on archived streams…

  • Adasumizox

    GG

  • Ms_Fortune
  • Andrea Kaindl

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  • Rodorn
  • ShpongleCraft

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ JIHAD ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
    …
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    will enjoy my NSA now.

  • NEVERFLY INSKY

    (∩ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)⊃━☆ﾟ. * ･ ｡ﾟ STOP RIOT, IM THE MAG

  • Zellidon

    This is stupid there are so many games with music played in them that most playthrough VOD’s will be 80% muted now.. lol RIP Twitch VOD’s not that they were ever decent to begin with.

  • iYeti

    WELP YOU CANT STREAM COPYRIGHTED MUSIC WITHOUT PERMISSION FOR MONETIZATION OR NOT. THIS MEANS TWITCH IS DEAD RIGHT GUYS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

    • Rodorn
      • iYeti

        ????????? I hear copyrighted music. This is not removing audio because of game sounds. It’s removing copyrighted music chunks. Don’t use music you don’t have permission for and problem solved no muting.

  • robertzombie

    deder than sc2

  • Linkadoo

    RIP Twitch. I Suggest Hitbox as the new streaming site.

  • Mike Connor

    General question, has Twitch considered reaching out to bands for rights to use music? Some streamers get ridiculous numbers, I think it’d probably be in the best interests of some smaller bands.

  • Andrew

    We will not negotiate with terrorists.

  • Shukaa70

    aaaaand its gone.

  • ragdolljoseph

    I see a revolt coming.

  • AdamDalsheim

    Might as well just shut the whole damn twitch down.

    Google is like Facebook, wants control over everything..

  • NEVERFLY INSKY

    (∩ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)⊃━☆ﾟ. * ･ ｡ﾟ

  • Alexander Jigfelt

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ

  • http://no.com A. Coolguy

    hahahaha good maybe people will move to services that didn’t violently mess up their chat latency for no gain/that are actually watchable on my internet (pretty much every service aside from yours).

  • http://www.TibiaForMac.com/ Tibia For Mac !

    Now HitBox.TV

    It’s time to shine!

  • Kappa

    Hey everyone! Google employee here. Looks like you guys are having a good time GreyFace. Just a friendly reminder to link your Google+ account and avoid streaming any copyrighted material. Game on!

  • Roman Stanley DeGenerous

    Looks like its time for new streaming website :)

  • Kappa

    Hey everyone! Google employee here. Looks like you guys are having a good time GreyFace. Just a friendly reminder to link your Google+ account and avoid streaming any copyrighted material. Game on!!

  • Wack Gloony

    This is going to make a pretty big dent in what Twitch already has build up, I was hoping Twitch would’ve never got sold to Google with this being the biggest reason. I understand the copyright law (Had to study it) But this is basically going to kill off everyone making videos. And to be honest, I really never saw the reason to sell Twitch to anyone as it was a profitable platform on it’s own. I’m actually quite sad as of now.

  • sugewhite

    So what alternatives do we have to stream and broadcast?

    • ShpongleCraft

      Hitbox.tv

  • pragmascript

    I just deleted my account and I suggest that everyone who is also against this policy does the same.

  • Ford Holloman

    You screwed over many of my highlights because I was listening to Pandora. Do you see the overwhelming response?!

    Looks like it’s time for other streaming services.

  • Kappa

    Hey everyone! Google employee here. Looks like you guys are having a good time GreyFace. Just a friendly reminder to link your Google+ account and avoid streaming any copyrighted material. Game on!

  • Andrea Kaindl

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ P I C N I I I I C ! ! 1 ! ! ! ! ! ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Kappa

    Hey everyone! Google employee here. Looks like you guys are having a good time GreyFace. Just a friendly reminder to link your Google+ account and avoid streaming any copyrighted material. Game on!!

  • CrazianQ

    “The Audible Magic technology will scan for third party music in 30 minute blocks — if Audible Magic does not detect its clients’ music, that portion of the VOD will not be muted. If third party audio is detected anywhere in the 30-minute scanned block, the entire 30 minutes will be muted.”

    – I hope to NEVER see a major game company on that list. AudibleMagic.com.
    Also, THE ENTIRE 30 MINUTES? That. That…

  • Andrea Kaindl

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ R I O T ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • rulez

    “in-game music will be muted”
    And from the about page:
    “Twitch is the world’s leading video platform and community for gamers”
    Does not compute!

  • BigBarryNudes

    Why are people getting so mad about this, just dont use copy righted music and its fine

    • Rodorn

      It’s EVERYTHING, even in-game music: http://www.twitch.tv/feardarkness/b/555212959

      • Progers

        Wow thats bad

    • wialno28

      You’re not very good at reading are you? This affects IN GAME music as well!

    • sugewhite

      If I pay for a service I should be able to stream it in the background without repercussion

    • Broken_Biscuit

      In game music as well man come on!

  • FUCKGOOGE

    FUCK YOU GOOGLE FUCK YOU GOOGLE

  • Fury

    In before Google slowly pushes twitch features into their own youtube streaming feature and then slowly kills off twitch after gaining all it’s features.

  • Kappa

    Hey everyone! Google employee here. Looks like you guys are having a good time GreyFace. Just a friendly reminder to link your Google+ account and avoid streaming any copyrighted material. Game on!

  • Nick Tr.

    AZUBU IT IS!

  • HillhomeGaming

    Google now owns Twitch. Be ready for even more ridiculous things to happen. GG WP no RE.

  • Kappa

    Hey everyone! Google employee here. Looks like you guys are having a good time GreyFace. Just a friendly reminder to link your Google+ account and avoid streaming any copyrighted material. Game on!!

  • Sublime

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  • Kappa

    Hey everyone! Google employee here. Looks like you guys are having a good time GreyFace. Just a friendly reminder to link your Google+ account and avoid streaming any copyrighted material. Game on!

    • Stephen Moyer

      DIE IN A FIRE.

  • Bd Td

    Well, fuck you very much Google.

  • miss_malyssious

    Every one of my videos has been muted. I am pissed. How long before the Twitch partners freak out?

    Is there something else out there like Twitch to use instead?

  • http://www.twitter.com/gynesys Gynesis

    That’s really too bad. I’ve discovered a lot of great music by watching people’s streams and vice versa. I would argue it probably resulted in even more music sales… or at least a few additional plays on Spotify. It really confounds me though. What’s to stop the gaming industry from doing the same thing with gaming overall? Will streams of certain games ultimately be struck down because their OST’s exist?

    • wialno28

      I’ve done the same! Someone in chat right now is reporting that their past VODs are already being muted.

    • John McConnell

      A great point that I don’t think many of the music industry leaders have thought of.

      • reverb256

        They’re too old and arrogant to understand these benefits.

  • PCHSC2

    RIP Twitch

  • DragonFlame203 .

    screw you Twitch. You Used To Be Cool! *CHANTS YOU SOLD OUT!*

  • http://gamerlife.eu Driver Geo

    Welcome Youtube 2.0 and there fucking comunist rules!

    • Stephen Moyer

      their*

    • Progers

      Comunist better that this Haha :)

  • ForeverGreenDay

    Well.. Bye Twitch. Fuck you Google.

  • sleepyc

    In game music?
    Welp. Abandon ship.

  • Pork Eating Crusader

    Le Happy Merchant Recognition technology has scanned this article and it found it full 100% Jew

  • Extermi

    Screw u Twitch, im going home (gaminglive.tv it is)

  • Entroshock

    lol

  • oh god how did I get here

    yeaaaah see y’all later. dropped my sub renewals, going to hitbox, twitch doesn’t deserve a single cent out of me if all they intend to do with it is bend over to the RIAA

  • Blop

    RIP in peace, get rid of this garbage

  • Reddo

    DUDUDUD… *This audio has been removed due to copyright issues*

    • Andrea Kaindl

      DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDU

      i lol’d!

  • Rodorn

    Where will I get my free music now! Kappa…. the ingame music is TOO FUCKING FAR

  • Asser

    This comment is unavailable in your country.

  • Kappa

    Hey everyone! Google employee here. Looks like you guys are having a good time GreyFace. Just a friendly reminder to link your Google+ account and avoid streaming any copyrighted material. Game on!!

  • Flo Rian

    thx google. great new feature…

    NOT

  • Molly

    *sigh* Time to close my account.

  • Trenton M

    Who thought this was a good idea ;-;

  • Sublime

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    • Robert R.

      But I am logged in to my google+ account Kappa b

  • Darian

    So, in purchasing media the buyer gains licenses that state that they own the content and do not infringe copyright so long as they do not attempt to sell the material. This may not be true for free to play games or subscriptionary material since your simply making an account or gain access to material versus actually buying it, but I digress.

  • Bora Bosna

    use a third party program, like livestreamer, to view the vods and they are not muted. I just checked it myself.

  • Shlomo Shekelstein

    Yes goyim, we own the music now, all hail our overlords Google!

  • Yuuki DeName

    Assuming it works the same way as on youtube, this might not have such a huge impact after all. I was uploading all runs from #ESA2014 from youtube, and this is what their content id system did.

    Out of 270 runs, 230 runs did check out alright. Most of the 40 remaining runs only got a “Matched third party content.”, which means everybody can still watch the video, and youtube might display an ad. A lot of Nintendo games got this.

    Only a few were marked with “Video blocked in some countries.”, which is, for the most part, related to Germany and out GEMA.

    Only one run, GTA Vice City 97%, received an “Audio muted due to claim”.

    If, on the other hand, they are going to mute all audio tracks when they find anything at all, we should consider alternatives.

    • wialno28

      VODs for at least one popular streamer are already being muted.

  • Gabe T. | DFB3636

    “I’m sorry, streaming videogame music is banned on our website built to stream videogames.” RIP Twitch, Fuck Google

    • Duckie

      That’s the dumbest thing ever, really

  • kapppa

    Im gonna jump off a building now thanks google by everyone

  • fuck you jews

    THE FUCKING JEWS DID IT AGAIN! HITLER WAS RIGHT!

  • Cole.

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Kappa

    Hey everyone! Google employee here. Looks like you guys are having a good time GreyFace. Just a friendly reminder to link your Google+ account and avoid streaming any copyrighted material. Game on!

  • Envy

    Azubu.tv ARISE!

  • Fury

    This video is blocked in your country. (but thanks for your subscription!)

  • Jay Green

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ

  • Skcrombie

    Time to migrate to hitbox.

  • Shlomo Shekelstein

    Oy vey the goyim are mad already! SHUT IT DOWN

  • AnonymousCoward
  • Google Blows

    And now we move on to another streaming site. Well done! Money well spent!

  • http://www.Twitch.tv/JonOfAllGames JonOfAllGames

    Blaming Google is pointless: copyright law. The change was always going to come to Twitch regardless of who might buy them. Blame the still unchanging Laws.

  • Daniel

    Ahh the good ol’ greed, well R.I.P. Twitch :)

  • Richard Dannie

    this is Azubu’s chance

  • Duckie

    I hate this damn copyright mad world we live in. I hate google so much.
    Thanks for ruining every website you buy.

  • Duff

    And this is when I move to HitBox

  • sugewhite

    I have a feeling the conversation is going to be deep on this discussion here

    Reddit AMA on /r/Twitch: Thursday, August 7, 10:30am PST
    Twitch Weekly: Friday, August 8 at 2pm PST

  • XanMercury

    XanMercury here – I moderate for a ton of high profile streamers, and they ALL use “copyrighted music”. All of C9 do this, and essentially, this now means they will be unable to make VODs ever, due to music playing to make the stream more entertaining… While I never really cared for VOD’s on Twitch, I do feel that this is just going to harm the twitch community. Copyright laws should be used to stop people illegally jacking songs, not for oppressing people who play video games with a soundtrack.

  • Kreegath

    Command & Conquer 1, the game that was released as freeware, muted? http://www.twitch.tv/kreegath/b/553870411

  • David

    Thanks Google for ruining everything I like, assholes.

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  • AnonymousCoward

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VKrxp50mI

    The death of Twitch symbolized the only way possible…..

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  • CrazianQ

    “— if Audible Magic does not detect its clients’ music —”

    MY GOD PEOPLE, CALM DOWN. It’s clients only. Check their website for their clients.

    • summoner ranger

      that is what they say now, but they just want to get there foot in the door

  • Kitari Lou

    What we have to do is simply boycott all audible clients and we’ll be free to do as we wish. That’s all. If all of us actually boycott them they simply stop since they won’t get all the free advertisement we give them. Don’t act childishly. Fight for what you believe in.

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  • Steve301187

    Fuck Twitch, let’s go to http://www.hitbox.tv – Better chat, better delay (about 5 seconds), less restrictions…

  • bob

    BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLSHIT!

  • DekuKip

    THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE WANTED, THANKS GOOGLE :D

  • Andrea Kaindl

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ R I O T ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Robert R.

    So, basically, what you’re doing is blocking ANY FORM OF MUSIC.
    How exactly do you know if it’s unauthorized and third party? You fucking don’t!
    In-game music, Pandora, or even iTunes! Nope, not allowed, because that’s UNAUTHORIZED. We can’t prove you own this music so we don’t ALLOW IT. Are you people fucking INSANE?

    • summoner ranger

      that is google for u, I feel like they are in bed with music comp

    • Weaver2

      Exactly. I’ve actually bothered to contact the rights holders and ask them if they mind if I play their songs in interludes while I’m taking breaks and they’ve told me it’s fine.

      I’ll assume as these are mostly just indie electronic music guys that Audible won’t detect their music, but the principal stands: I have express permission to use their music, yet if the system takes down my VOD I have no way to fight it even though I’ve done nothing wrong.

    • LEOXD

      You can tell if you use the music unauthorized if you don’t have a licence to broadcast it worldwide. This means that you can’t use music from Pandora, Spotify, iTunes and so on.

      I made a spreadsheet here for music you can use: http://goo.gl/CBr7le
      Originally meant for YouTube, but it applies here as well.

      • giverous

        It’s blocking VODs containing in-game music, for channels OWNED by the game creator – I am of course refering to the muting of segments of the T14 VODs because they contain in-game music from, wait for it… Dota 2.
        So they muted a Valve owned and broadcast tournament, for having music in it from a game made by Valve. How is that sensible?

  • Jesusdaniel3

    fuck u google :’)

  • Strom

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ

  • Josh Cropper

    So long twitch… Been nice knowing you.

  • twilightking

    First you guys do know how many false positives this system will throw when it comes to game sounds and what not? You guys are starting a guilty before proved innocent system in which you will hurt not only casters but also viewers of those casters. Now I’m not saying that the people whom have the right to have their their songs or other things protected should be ignored. But I’m sure there could have been a better way then the muting of the entire 30 min block and then forcing the one whom you muted to prove their own innocence. Maybe a copyright flag and a twitch email could have been sent as an initial warning then move to removing the VOD in no proof of false positive is offered (in an appropriate amount of time). Now for those claiming that hitbox will be the next twitch. Yes, it could very well be the case. However, If we make it as large as twitch currently is then you risk the chance of this whole thing happening again. There is no avoiding it. Only offering ways of making this work for all parties involved.

    • Puro

      There has already been many false positives to games which are free to play, for instance Command & Conquer VODs are muted yet they were made free to play ages ago.

  • Theawesome67

    let us spread Remove google and #removegoogle

  • Ariesk47

    Everyone should go to http://www.hitbox.tv

  • Allan Barcellos

    Too bad, this service was always too good to be true. Prepare for an awesome influx of angry people contesting false positives and fair use claims.

  • Kansokusha

    You didn’t see this coming? If this is an issue for you as a broadcaster, you probably should have planned for this.

  • Guest

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VKrxp50mI

    This video is symbolic of the death of Twitch.

    Time for us bitches to leave.

  • Weaver2

    RIP Twitch.

  • JustWantToComment

    So have we gotten any benefit from Google buying Twitch at all or is it just the negatives?

  • Chewydon

    RIP GTAV and Fallout 3 streams. I’m sure there’s some loophole since Bethesda / Rockstar paid their licensing fees, and we by proxy paid them as well paying for the retail copy. People who are playing Pandora/YouTube Vids/iTunes though are flirting DMCA regulation. If a stream of 20,000 listens/watches something, those services are only getting 1 hit vs the 20,000 who are actively participating. It was going to happen sooner or later, but something needs to be figured out with in-game/ambient tracks. Otherwise people will start to argue that streaming a video game is like rebroadcasting a movie from the theatre (i.e. illegal), and everything gets shut down.

  • rundas

    “This includes in-game and ambient music.”

    i bet you’re really fun at parties.

  • AngelZatch

    So, I now guess every single Rhythm game is a no, right.

  • Piefrenzy

    AAAAAAAAAAAAND I’m out

  • paulflagg

    not surprised that this is coming down. dropping my turbo and not renewing my subs. i want to see how things play out before i give twitch another cent. ill be supporting the broadcasters i like directly from now on i guess.

  • poiple

    Holy fuck this is not right.

  • cc

    “Please Note: Audio Recognition applies to VODs only.”

    It’s only a matter of time before they’re filtering and muting streams as well

    • Darji

      Also live streamers will mute all livestreams now because they can keep the vods with sound

  • Taylor Stewart

    what if i have permission from the owner of the music? when your machine mutes my audio can i just tell it to suck on my balls and unmute it?

    • based blas

      hi picwic

    • Taylor Stewart

      use your stupid scanner to mute my balls in your mouth. SUCK ON MY BALLS

  • Castro

    so this means FIFA has no future for vods (which are viewed very often) since the game is filled with music… well done…

  • NyuBomber

    If somebody’s streaming music for VODs explicitly for downloading, fine, shut them down. Not gaming content, anyway.

    But you’re stabbing most every user of Twitch in the back and the foot for this BS. Nobody goes to Twitch for songs because not only is it low quality to begin with, but it’s also mixed in with video game sounds and/or the caster talking. You’re going to hurt yourself for no reason, and you need to see whatever Google lawyers about rescinding this stupid policy.

    • AngelZatch

      Wait, you actually make a point here. If they streamer talks over the “flagged” audio, will they mute? As the audio being analyzed is “more” than what’s to flag, how will the softwares handle this? That’s an interesting point.

      • Jacksonville

        The software will probably roll a dice and if it’s an even number there goes 30 minutes of audio

  • http://www.twitch.tv/specialist7 specialist7

    What about my osu! ;;

    • AngelZatch

      And mine… Guess it’s over for us.

    • summoner ranger

      it is gone, bc it is all copyright music

  • iujdmjrt

    HAHAHAHAHHA

    WELL PLAYED!
    sniff the money from the music industry. how much did they pay for this?

  • akrow

    Goog Bye Twitch!

  • John Smith

    Goodbye any chances of people streaming Tony Hawk Proskater D:

  • bob

    “This includes in-game and ambient music.” WHAT!!! twitch now has no sound at all! yay

  • ShpongleCraft

    Apparently, “Were still gonna let twitch be twitch” doesn’t mean what i thought it meant.

  • Iska

    How to be more retarded, than sell yourself to Lion trainer ?

  • Vectom1000

    complete BS. RIP twitch

  • jack

    R E M O V E G O O G L E

  • AvengerUK

    How long until live streams get this? Probably not long. “This includes in-game and ambient music” – how, unbelievably stupid.

    Google, please fuck off for once.

    • Daniel Grass

      yeah…

  • Sam Morris

    Ship sinking already? That was fast.

  • Sampick69

    RIP Twitch

  • Lemons

    At least give us time to export our VODs before muting them. Should’ve implemented this after VODs are fully deleted or at least 2 weeks after the announcement.

  • Sampick69

    RIP Twitch x

  • Sampick69

    RIP Twitch d

  • Sampick69

    RIP Twitch

  • Sampick69

    RIP Twitch e

  • Ivan Montequin

    One of the MAIN REASONS people watch “pro” streams it’s because of the gamers’ inside views/comments/knowledge they offer during the stream. How are we supposed to listen to them now? What’s the point of watching them now? Nice going, Google. You’ve managed to ruin Twitch in less than a week.

  • lel

    Was beautiful but… bb <3.

  • asdfasdf

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  • Kathova

    Yay. Now let’s wait for flagging livestreams!

  • Mack Foxx

    [The following comment contains copyrighted content from FUALL Entertainment and has been muted for your convenience.]

  • Shlomo Shekelstein
  • ThatsNoBanana

    How dare they try to protect copyright holders, those evil bastards

    • Pork Eating Crusader

      Good goy

  • Broken_Biscuit

    Try connectcast.tv

  • asdfasdf

    Twitch will be implementing technology intended to help broadcasters(…)

    Nice fucking help

  • gozlugumvar

    DED PLATFORM

  • summoner ranger

    twitch u think u are doing the right thing, but unlike youtube there are better steaming sites, all ur doing is shoot ur self in the foot. if u really care about us u would support us vs music industry. and copyright law is bs, it only protects the music industry

  • dase

    hora sug min kuk

  • HillhomeGaming

    “This includes in-game and ambient music” – this is the problem isn’t it. So I guess now we just stream music from Popskyy, biggiantcircles, chipzel, ProfessorShyguy, ApproachNirvana, Monstercat and just turn off completely in game sounds? Wow. I’ll just kill off the “input sound” bar on OBS then and it will just be me. Talking. Over images of a game.

    How does this even make an IOTA of sense to anyone? I don’t mind the blocking of music outside of the game but fair use should cover anything in the game itself tbh.

  • Shlomo Shekelstein

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  • http://twitch.tv/burkeblack BurkeBlack

    Oh noes! We can’t play music we don’t own the rights to any more, Panic! We got a Panic over here!!

    • Pork Eating Crusader

      Good goy!

    • deadmanalpha

      just wait till you can’t stream a game that you don’t have the rights to.

  • ForeverGreenDay

    Always ruining everything, Google. Nice fucking job.

  • Krae

    Elizabeth “Boo” Baker

    I’m General Counsel for Twitch. Yes, my preferred name is actually “Boo.” No, not the one from Super Mario or “Honey Boo Boo.”

    No, as in “Boo you guys fucking suck”.

  • Strom

    @Twitch Dont ruin twitch you sellouts [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]

  • aleks24

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ

  • akrow

    NO STREAMER VOICE= NO VIEWERS

  • Dude

    Well, Sodapoppin just got pooped on.

  • 123

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ

  • Shlomo Shekelstein
  • davesignal

    Congratulations! You have just made your shiny new purchase of a cultural phenomena /absolutely worthless/. Good job.

  • 123

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ !

  • Buddha

    Google is going to regret this… Making me mad of all people. Google just ruins everything now.

    • LEOXD

      The company twitch hired is not owned by Google.

  • 123

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ!!

  • bob

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ

  • Karl Smith

    This is complete horseshit. I am NOT falling for Google’s copyright scheme ever again. First they destroyed YouTube and now Twitch. I mean seriously, livestreams are ok but not VOD. Google, GIVE US A FUCKING BREAK!

    • CG

      destroyed? i disagree with this as well, and I think copyright laws need to be changed to handle the internet, but calling youtube destroyed is a huge exaggeration that is pretty much a blatant lie. It’s probably one the most if not the most successful video sites on the internet.

  • Kizoja

    “Audio Recognition will only be run against audio in VODs. We are not scanning live broadcasts and there is no automated takedown of live content.”

    “…there is no AUTOMATED takedown of live content.,” so does this mean that there will be manual takedowns of live content if there are too many VODs with copyrighted music from that person?

    Also, this has been pointed out, “This includes in-game and ambient music.,” really?

  • Weaver2

    “Come here, to the premiere gaming site on the internet, to stream and record all your games!”

    “OMG, you streamed a game that had *music* in it? You criminal!”

  • El Tio Frezer

    Valen verga GOOGLE HIJO DE PUTA

  • Blobbillbingotn

    “the entire 30 minutes will be muted.” That is bullshit, block the content that is matched, not stuff that could be legal fucking mafiaa, bpi etc, bullshit

  • Time Code

    fuck you

  • http://goatse.cx OhKrappa

    gr8 b8 m8. I rel8, str8 appreci8, and congratul8. I r8 this b8 an 8/8. Plz no h8, I’m str8 ir8. We should convers8, I won’t ber8.

  • ThatsNoBanana

    Hitbox plays Pokemon anyone?

  • Sean Kay

    Wait a goddamn second so streamers who want their audio to be heard cannot play music when they stream? This is the stupidest thing on this planet next to people killing each other. What if the radio is playing in the background? Is google/twitch that…there are no words.

  • Werre1

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉヽ

  • AvengerUK

    “Reddit AMA on /r/Twitch: Thursday, August 7, 10:30am PST”

    That’s going to be fun. See you there, sellouts

  • Chris Marks

    Isn’t this a flagrant violation of Fair Use laws?

    • LEOXD

      Fair use is something you can use as defense in court. It isn’t something that protects you right away.

      Besides that, I doubt that casually broadcasting a song worldwide while playing a game doesn’t count as fair use.

      • Chris Marks

        Fair use is basically if you’re using it for critical, commentary, or incidental purposes, where the music itself doesn’t make you money. That is basically the definition of background music on Twitch: it’s there for something to listen to, but the draw and the part that makes the money is the advertising, subscriptions, and ultimately the personality of the streamer. The music is wholly incidental.

        • LEOXD

          It isn’t incidental because you are fully aware that the music is playing, and it isn’t commentary because you aren’t criticising or commenting the music.

          BTW, the game itself is protected by copyright as well, but I’d say that fair use applies here, because you are commenting it.

          • Chris Marks

            You’re aware that it’s playing, but it’s completely irrelevant to what you’re doing. manvsgame could stream Minesweeper with no music playing, and he’d still get 30 new subs a day, because it’s his personality that people want to watch. The music makes literally no difference; nobody is making money on the back of the music they’re playing while they game. That’s what incidental means.

  • Eli-kun

    Dumbest Idea so far. next week probably you will be taking the music in the stream as well.

  • akrow

    K I L L G O O G L E !

  • GRFenrir

    I recommend everyone to stop subscribing to streamers, and instead support them through donations.This way the streamers get better paid, and not a single penny of the money ends up at the sellouts at twitch.

  • http://mralexbross-web.blogspot.mx/ Ralex

    Ahora es cuando twitch, cambia de nombre a YouTube 2: Remastered Edition

  • Puro
  • Elijia

    GG no re, twitch. Rip in Peace, sweet prince.

  • ANgry nowhy u ddo thias twitch

    No!!!

  • Roxie Logan

    So… None of the users “content creators” are happy about this Twitch. Well done and congratulations.

  • Captain Levi

    “YouTube TWO” … Good job.

  • Junji Hiroma

    screw you twitchtube! livestream is WAYYYY BETTER then you bunch of sellouts! #fTheSystem

  • guruFTW

    This is literally like going to a store that has a radio playing in the background and telling them they can’t play it because they don’t own it.

    I guess this is just going to encourage people not to use your past broadcasts and highlight system and host those video privately on a personal sites. I just hope this doesn’t kill Twitch, but I can tell you that if this is the way Twitch will be going after this Google purchase it’s not going to last.

    Fuck you Google, fuck you.

    And you know what? Fuck you whoever created Twitch for selling out instead of trying to find a better way to remain independent from big corporations.

  • Ceritus

    It’s weird how sad this makes me, I’ve discovered Twitch about 2-3 years ago when it was still pretty small and I’ve loved it ever since. Sadly, thanks to me getting a job a few months back and my love for American Speedrunners/Streamers there were a lot of times where I could not watch the content live, so I had to watch the past broadcasts quite often, which I could life with since it was actually pretty nicely done on Twitch. After this change went through today I will not be able to do this any longer. Since IMO music is a BIG part of a game and watching it without will be not even half as fun. (Not to mention the streamer will be muted too)

    I just wanted to give my 2 cents on the matter. I know it probably does not matter much, but I fear that if nothing happends they will keep pushing this further until music is not allowed on live gameplay anymore too.

    • Puro

      By that time they have 0 streamers because they all left for better sites which aren’t bound by American copyright laws.

      • Ceritus

        I hope so dude, I really hope so.

  • FightMeirl1v1m8

    I REALLY HOPE DUDUDUDUDUD IS NOT ON THEIR STUPID SONG LIST

    • Junji Hiroma

      It is. #TwitchFail

  • Christian Bjerg

    That is the most STUPID thing you have EVER done Twitch.. EVER… R.I.P.

  • Edward Li

    RIP in pieces Twitch

    Oh hey, it uses my real name. Thanks Google Plus integration!

  • Sean Kay

    In what goddamn world does this make any sense whatsoever?

    • Puro

      No world at all, only for Twitch, but that’s dead so it’s fiiiine.

    • LEOXD

      In the world where companies have to end business if they don’t obey law.

      • Sean Kay

        Was twitching facing litigation before selling to google?

        • LEOXD

          Are they sold to Google? If so, why do they use audible magic (which is not owned by Google) instead of Content ID (which is the System YouTube uses)?

          • Sean Kay

            That entirely depends on if the systems are compatible.

  • Ignatius Hitokage

    After seeing that even MonotoneTim’s RCT2 is not immune to this content ID crap, I’m pretty well convinced Twitch is attempting to kill off it’s VOD library entirely. This is Netflix’s Qwikster moment.

  • weewewewe

    GG Twitch.

  • im gay

    wtf is this, twitch ruined now

  • sdgsdgsdg

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ

  • Taylor Stewart

    twitch. suck on my balls

  • Condorscondor

    Saw this coming miles away. cant believe people are actually surprised by this.

  • CactuarChai

    I’d imagine after posting this they all hid under their desks.

  • VictimGaming

    I have had to stop making YouTube video’s because of this same thing being implemented on that site. I get that song’s are copyrighted. However, they make up less than %10 of the video content. So why should all of my work and content be nullified by a few separate background songs? Why not use it as a marketing tool? I personally have implemented a “Now Playing” tool on my stream. Why would it be so hard to include that in twitch to have it auto link below the stream to the artist’s itunes/website? Seems like they are going the wrong way with this whole thing in my opinion

  • Daniel Grass

    So basically, every streamer needs to get a master use license AND a synchronization license for every produced song that may or may not be played while they stream to be able to have their VOD untouched? Sounds like a bargain… This will really help Twitch get popular..

  • jettoki

    the way i see it, nobody cared about their music being used in streams, because it is not like you can capture the music and just listen to it during the day, because either the gamesound, or one of us streamers wouldn’t shut his mouth while playing, if, now we can’t use the music we like i think many of the people will just stop streaming (or go to another service). i for myself could not play without my fav. tunes… and actually we can’t even use any in-game song either, since it’s copyright-protected… wth

    thanks google for f*cking up another platform people liked…

  • Kappa

    Kappa

  • thedyrlata

    Going back to Ustream. Thanks Twitch!

  • Seriously pissed person

    Fuck you!

  • Sean Kay

    Anyone know a good streaming service to use now?

    • Paulie9990

      hitbox.tv

  • bob
    • Taylor Stewart

      dang hes right

  • disqus_mDEjkiv5dl

    So you’re already muting highlights where the streamer played music in the background ? You suck. Seriously, you suck so much.

  • Ian Arsenault

    RIOT!!11!!!11!!

  • JohnnyJ301

    I’m not your friend anymore Google, signed your former friend ! -_-

  • Lanfearo K

    lol reckt

  • Renegade PC

    This is ridiculous. I will refuse to use Twitch if this continues, and will advise others to do the same.

    Especially if it mutes the videos from IN-GAME sound and music. That much, shouldn’t be muted.

    I could entirely understand if it is copyrighted music… however, that much needs to be determined if it is LEGALLY OBTAINED music, by purchasing online or in a store, or if it is illegally obtained… and whether or not there is a disclaimer on the purchase, in the content, etc, as to whether or not it can or cannot be used in videos online. If there is no disclaimer, then there is no case based on copyright laws, as the video owner who uses the music legally owns it, and is not informed in writing on the product or in the downloaded documentation that it is prohibited.

    Have a nice day… have fun keeping your user-base.

  • Roxie Logan

    How on earth does this help the content creators of twitch that earn you money? And further more why isn’t any of the money twitch earns through their content creators already going to pay for copyright licenses on the website? We watch adverts that generate revenue are you telling everyone here that NONE of that went to paying copyright Licenses and now you’re going to flat out block portions of content to appease license holders that should have already been paid?

  • Skull24

    Press space bar twice and it should be un-muted. It works for now anyway.

  • http://goatse.cx OhKrappa
  • OHSNAPz

    Someone link me a new streaming site pls

  • jouva

    The best part is how one of their own official streams even got partially muted due to the new system.

  • Mesadeath

    gg no re

    how’s it feel to accidentally shoot yourselves in the foot with this new partnership, Twitch?

    feeling some kinship with the entirety of your userbase that you’re alienating and the streamers partnered with you who depend on their streaming for income?

  • Zanaso

    My only REAL issue with this is… what about games that actually contain “copyrighted music” as PART OF THE GAME? Games like Bioshock or basically any music/rhythm game ever made. It seems that this setup should account for games that legitimately contain the material and ignore those matches.

  • http://dorhen.irilys.eu/blog/ Dorhen

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ

  • LOwgun

    W E F O K I N L O S T B O Y S

  • Highway

    I think you guys are taking this waaay to hard. i mean come on. it’s been long over due that Twitch implemented some kind of copy right system, considering they’ve had multiple companies contacting them regarding this.

    And considering what you guys are actually annoyed about, is that you believe all the VoD’s will be taken down. well that isn’t the case. do you know of this website called youtube? it’s biggest sector for videos are GAMING and the content shown there is the exact same as on Twitch. sure you won’t be able to hear that new Ke$ha song, or T-Pain’s newest auto-tone rap, but hey guess what. people can’t do that on youtube either. heck even radio channels pay to play these songs.

    what i’m trying to say is, that you guys are taking this way to seriously. it’s basically just a system to make Twitch more legit. it won’t take all the good content away from you guys, it’ll just remove songs that are not present in the game mostly, and the few games that isn’t allowed to be streamed/recorded (yes i’m looking at you nintendo)

    • Roxie Logan

      Well my point is where does the revenue from the split pay of content creators / adverts go? yes on the servers,but twitch makes thousands if not millions a week, and they’re telling us 0 of that went to pay copyrights.

    • americanoob

      highway, I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. The system is friggin broken and poorly designed, and there are people who can’ watch this stuff live. if copyrighted music comes up, a huge chunk of the video is muted. And that is something almost perfectly in proportion with the reaction. I’ve also gotta feeling that it’s only going to get worse from here…

      • Highway

        i do know what i’m talking about,

        the system itself isn’t broken, but it’s not perfect either. i agree that it do take bigger chunks of videos than where the copyrighted material is, but hey. nothing in this world is perfect.

        What you talk about is what if copyrighted music comes up. do you see youtube gaming videos? is their content different than what you see on a stream? no it isn’t (beside possibly insane amounts of editing on youtube videos).

        this means that the system will not mute a video UNLESS the streamer himself decide to play some audio over the game content that is copyrighted. that is not something you should blame the system for, but rather the streamer as he’s using illegal material :)

        i do realize that’s just how twitch works, but the way twitch has been working hasn’t been entirely legal, and that’s what they’re trying to correct.

        keep in mind many streamers are already moving away from copyrighted music, and either getting the needed permissions to play it, or finding music without copyright on.

    • Fabian222

      finish freshman english then come back and try this again plz

      • Highway

        it’s not quite possible i’m afraid, seeing as i’m too old to go to highschool, and i’m not from America.

        but hey you really made a valid point :)

    • giverous

      So you think a system muting VODs from companies that actually OWN and PRODUCE the game is a system working well? Yeah, that’s not broken at ALL.

  • Sean Kay
  • Guest

    Welp, Twitch is dead. Here’s looking forward to the next big streaming site. It’ll probably be based is the Cayman Islands or something and not care at all about anyone’s copyright, ever. What a brilliant move this was.

  • Gadred

    Today will forever be known as the day twitch dies.

  • Al Simons

    thanks google for destroying twitch, looks like we are packing our bags and moving to another streaming service.

  • ——

    welp pz twitch

  • JaneQPL

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    #hitboxlivehype
    Bay twitch [*]

  • GuardianSoulBlade

    Doesn’t bother me at all, I record my Twitch Streams to my computer and I don’t play music, so even in game music won’t bother me because I have it on my computer for my YouTube channel.

  • Broken_Biscuit

    So.. You can press space bar twice to get muted audio back.

    Really. Try it.

  • http://youtube.com/abydoshun abydos

    I like to broadcast a little NFS Rivals gameplay… OH WAIT, COPYRIGHTS MUSICS!!!

  • Sean Kay
  • http://memiux.com memiux

    gg

  • Horussmx

    Google + Next new “feature” guys, just wait LOL

  • Fryderyk LovesOranges Czajkows

    hurray for google

  • Broken_Biscuit

    So You can press space bar twice to get muted audio back.

    Really. Try it.

  • Broken_Biscuit

    hitbox is struggling with new members from hitbox support ” We’re looking into issues currently affecting the site. We’ve had a major influx of new users.”

  • CPGrungebob

    When Twitch uses “helps broadcasters” in a blog post that’s double speak for we are changing something our streamers will not like.

  • sugewhite

    Let them know how you really feel here

    Reddit AMA on /r/Twitch: Thursday, August 7, 10:30am PST

    Twitch Weekly: Friday, August 8 at 2pm PST

  • CGI

    Just throwing this out there, ConnectCast does not have such copyright issues!! It is a livestreaming site, but better, because its all about the streamers. https://www.connectcast.tv/about

  • ThatsNoBanana

    Google+, more like Google- amirite?

  • Fabian222

    This is googles way of getting twitch to suffocate to death without having to axe it right off the bat. I guarantee you this is just the beginning. There is no reason for google to keep twitch alive after the purchase.

  • reverb256

    These music companies should stop licensing to gaming companies, then.
    They should be permanently exorcised from our communities.

  • Mustafa Al-Asadi

    Never relies on a bot for Human services, it’s not accurate and it doesn’t know whether the background music is being played is in game or out. This is a huge mistake, nice to ruin your image..

  • Legitsu

    welp who ever bought twitch just got them selves a shiny new dead platform this is very good for sites like hitbox.tv tho
    gg twitch its been real

  • CreamyCrusher

    So which streamers are moving to hitbox and which are moving to Ustream? Is there a list out yet? Maybe Azubu will really take off now.

  • Tiago Toledo

    Twitch, I hardly know ya. Cya.

  • JeronimoPW
  • http://www.picopalqlee.pe/ Alex_Focker

    Twitch RIP , GOOGLE SUCK

  • ThatsNoBanana

    So Google brought Twitch just to kill it?

  • Ean

    You need to figure out a way to filter out only the copyrighted audio. Cutting out audio for 30 minute chunks is unmanageable. What if someone walks by and has a ring-tone with a piece of a copyrighted song? I’ve posted videos to Youtube where someone happened to be playing music in the background of a video and the whole audio was cut out. This is not acceptable. IF you’re going to bow down to mass copyright bot take-downs, at least have the decency to inverse-phase out the audio you believe infringes instead of all of it.

    Ridiculous!

  • Sean Kay
  • Al Simons

    Let me guess Elizabeth “Boo” Baker, you are new to twitch..you were just hired by google a few months ago to implement these changes, i would like to say for both you and google to go fuck yourselves, twitch is now dead.

  • SupremeVishnu

    It’s funny because even their own broadcasts are being muted. Their thought process-> “Hey, let’s partner with a company that we don’t need to. This causing most of our broadcasters to be angry.”

  • Gizama

    Boo!

  • AllHailKingGoogle

    When Am I going to be able to link my Google+ account so that I can be inundated with more useless crap I never wanted or asked for? Also is it going to be possible to get 90% of the content taken off of twitch when the automated system starts hunting for blood? Can you mess what was once a great service up just a little bit more?

  • Patrick “Bazeleel” Cannon

    ”This includes in-game and ambient music”

    Im sorry wha? No No because this is logic right?

  • RIPinpeaceTWITCH

    Alright, there goes all my interest in Twitch. Boy oh boy, i can’t wait to see every VOD in existance go down because someone copyrighted the latest COD or whatever have you’s lobby music.

  • Weaver2

    Zircon’s tracks getting flagged even though he owns them and never signed up for a content ID system with Audible:

    https://twitter.com/zirconst/status/497150228345421824

  • steescribbles

    Good job blocking music on one of YOUR OWN videos, Twitch.

  • Lord Sauron

    Rip in peace twitch. I loved you

  • http://memiux.com memiux

    Worst day ever :(

  • Bennijin

    RIP Twitch.

  • Canisd1981

    What the point of this, any music in game and the video becomes unwatchable.

    • Blobbillbingotn

      if it was the offending bit of content that got muted then fine, but 30 min blocks is a bit much

      • Canisd1981

        I was watching a guy play Fallout: New Vegas which has radio stations in it. Now when ever he had it playing in the back ground the game is muted.

        • Blobbillbingotn

          Plus there is the radio robots or radios dotted around, just bumping into one of them by accident would block 30 min

  • Brian

    If you saw the ‘Goodbye’ Justin.tv video they can use it for twitch

  • Moises Ramos

    Any alternatives that don’t require a sub or some other dumb stuff?

  • Starfighter Suicune

    Twitch blocked in germany TBA

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    Good night Twitch

  • Matt Brenner

    Well I’m ready to jump ship. Where can we stream next?

  • CoworkerJim

    Boy Twitch I bet you guys can’t wait for your AMA tomorrow where the entire video game community grabs their pitchforks and rips you limb from limb can ya?

  • Marielle M

    so what if you’re playing DDR, DJ Hero, Rock Band, Guitar Hero you’re basicially fucked. Well…. gee, thanks twitch

  • AnonymousElf

    Connectcast.tv would be a best solution for Streamers

  • RooT

    All aboard the hitboxlive wagon

  • Alexander Klaman

    Fair Use says what? Oh, it’s ignored. Because Twitch ignores it because the DMCA’s protections from abuse are garbage? Sounds right to me.

    • LEOXD

      Fair use can be used as defense in court. And Fair Use most likely doesn’t apply to music that you play in the background. It however most likely applies to the game you’re streaming, because you are usually commenting or criticising it.

    • mimimimi

      Go read what fair use is, as it wont work in this case unless you lable ALL vods educational, and not all will be so it wont hold up in court. Also twitch protected themselves with this , which it looks like NONE OF YOU read:

      “Twitch has partnered with Audible Magic without waiving any rights or defenses available to it under law. Twitch is not obligated to filter content stored on the Twitch platform by its users and assumes no liability for the actions of its users notwithstanding the implementation of the Audible Magic technology. Twitch reserves the right to stop filtering audio content in VODs in its sole discretion at any time and without liability to any third party, subject only to any contractual obligations.”

  • oldskooldeano

    Bye Bye Twitch. I hope that was a billion dollars well spent Google.

  • Fernando

    Vallanse a la mierda putos vendidos

  • americanoob

    oh boy. What really seals the deal is that other companies are already advertising their streaming services in the comments.

  • Fernando

    Ustream FTW

  • Hydrocity

    So basically I am no longer allowed to watch VODs. Cool.

    • mimimimi

      ?????? That’s not what it means. It means streamers can’t listen to music and expect that the vods won’t get flagged. Also if this applies to OST then no ingame music.

    • CoworkerJim

      Oh you can watch them. In inevitable silence.

  • Chris

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Tiago Toledo

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • mimimimi

    The vod, highlight stuff was ok, whatever. But this? oh……my….god.. It’s like you didn’t even think it through.

  • Robert Huang

    Fcking Retards.

  • http://www.nigga.com niggadeluxe

    goodbye twitch

  • Daniel Grass

    A billion dollars for the death of Twitch? Sounds resonable..

  • CreamyCrusher

    Can someone explain to me hitboxes UI? I am very confused. I don’t even see a list of games under the games tab.

  • exzo59

    “Whats the song name?” *sighs* “It used to be darude – sandstorm..”

  • Ruslan Vasutko

    twitch RIP

  • http://www.ManaPot.com ManaPot

    Cool, making Twitch shittier. We’re going to be the new YouTube guys, yay!!! /s

  • iChongBang

    Did you just get tired of having so many users? Because this will definitely remedy that problem.

  • Delphisto

    Yet another reason to stop using Twitch. Did Comcast buy these guys out?

  • Luís Cunha

    RIP twitch, it has been good while it lasted. The next thing will be google+ requirement to speak in chat.

  • Aaron Haynes

    Content ID muting on a service exclusively designed for streaming copyrighted content. You guys really thought hard about this one.

    • LEOXD

      uh, and what exactly is happening on twitch? People stream copyrighted games with copyrighted in-game music but sometimes use copyrighted music that isn’t part of the game.

      • Aaron Haynes

        Don’t worry, I’m sure Audible Magic will be able to tell the difference.

  • zupeanut2

    It’s one thing to censor youtube, that can actively be used to pirate music and movies. However, this is a game streaming platform. Everyone and their dog listens to music while they game, but the quality of that music isn’t high enough to warrant theft ( especially with all the sounds of video games/talking in the background)!

    You’re hurting the music industry by doing this! People would normally be exposed to the music of their favorite streamers, but now they’re going to hear nothing (no tips, no advice, no commentary, anything–) after, if they miss a stream live.

    tl;dr: This idea is idiotic and warrants whomever came up with it get terminated.

  • banjo

    well… that’s about it for twitch.

  • http://futanari.org/ futanari.org

    I guess this means PS4 streamers cant use custom soundtracks on their systems?

  • fuck you google

    Just fu..
    Google just destroy everything

  • heels1785

    This will get reversed by the weekend. Google is going to hemmorhage money from the drop in traffic, they’ll end up paying some sort of royalty to overturn this.

  • Bob Bacerach

    So instead of flagging and muting streams. Why could you not use the song recognitioning to take the information and have an inchat command !songname that gave you the artist & title with a link to somewhere to purchase it, and in addition running ads on top for artists that have been recently played on stream?

    This would be way more sensible solution to the problem and hopefully give more revenue to the artists that are being exposed to the general public.

    • CoworkerJim

      Because that makes sense and instead of making sense and innovating like Google loves to tout they’re hiding under the DMCA umbrella.

    • stargater1

      Yes because Twitch should actively promote breaking copyright of music that they nor you OWN. That’s right, you have no rights to that music, so why should you be able to broadcast* it? That wouldn’t lead to lawsuits or legal issues ever, huh?

      *Unless you have permission from artist or have a broadcast license.

      • Bob Bacerach

        The deal with the music industry is now to just flag and mute, that does NOT mean that it HAS to be that way. This could be a potential other deal they COULD make.

        I am sorry if you misunderstood my comment as implying that they should ignore the music industries wishes, I just want them to look for alternatives for mutual benefit, instead of mutual antagonism.

      • giverous

        The system doesn’t care if you have permission – it doesn’t know about it. Your content will be flagged and muted, and you’ll have to go through a rather lengthy process to prove that you actually played by the rules…

  • OrangeVigilante

    Unfucking-believable. Thanks for ruining Twitch, Google.

  • S1ayer

    So if I play a Need For Speed game, which has licensed music, 95% of my VoD will be muted. #WAT

  • A169

    Twitch, not everybody can catch the live streams, in my situation it’s because I watch streams from the Americas until 2am when I can’t stay up any longer, and watch the rest on catchup.

    If the streamers play music, then they play music. They aren’t selling anything and nobody sits around with a tape deck waiting to record something off the radio anymore. No money is being made or lost by having music in a stream.

    What would be better is if the ContentID system flagged the music and put up a small translucent window over the video saying “If you would like to buy this track, click here!” or something. That would be better than just muting the whole half hour segment.

    I’m so tired… and I mean I’m honestly exhausted with events like this.
    I’m tired of money being greater than betterment, and pick that apart how you will I’m still tired of it.

    Every week there’s more copyright infringement cases and more limiting the intended area.

    I’m tired of geolock tech, I’m tired of repeat listening costs. I’m very tired of “One music file is one lost sale”… all of this rubbish.

    Take the above statements or don’t, comment on them or don’t. I’m tired of seeing good things stamped on. In this case, the dying business model of an industry that doesn’t want their yearly profits cut into with ideas that they aren’t needed as much anymore, but that’s unrelated and simply how I see them.

    I’ve said my piece, and will still continue to watch as many live streams as I can, but I hope you’ll reconsider on muting the VoD.

    A long time fan,
    —A169

  • AnonymousElf

    Lets all Welcome Twitch to The Youtube Family….

  • REMOVEGOOGLE

    REMOVEGOOGLE

  • Richard Santos

    Something tells me a lot of these bigwigs weren’t good with sharing their toys as kids. So my broadcast will be muted if I’m listening to music I paid for while I play? Lol. That’s ridiculous. Nobody is going to tune in to my channel so that they can listen to Biggie.

  • NinjiHaku

    I can’t believe that when many video-game companies are realizing of the potential of video game streamers, including SONY and Microsoft including streaming features to their video-consoles, now you have to screw with it and integrate a tool to screw with the freedom of your users. Great! now we will have to watch stream replays with audio cut outs.

    What will be next? Block the content per countries, like Youtube do?

    This is worse than insanity. Do you realize you’re encouraging piracy? What, I can’t record audio from your videos? THAT’S NOT A MATTER! Because I wouldn’t anyway, because I have way better sources to get that audio, with a way better quality like TORRENTS, CLOUDS, ETC.

    Protecting the copyright content? No! You’re just CENSORING CONTENT. Yeah, censoring. In the XXI century. Nazis did a lot of censorship. Many “communist” governments do censorship. China does a lot of censorship. Now you do, too.

    I hope many people realize of your own incompetence, leave the service, and you get a huge user and subscribers drop. Because that’s what you’re clearly asking for.

    Enjoy your audio cut outs because we won’t.

  • NPReno

    who cares, Twitch deleted most my past broadcast anyways, no point in even archiving anyways!!

    • Deegary

      ikr

  • Woozle ThreeSixteen

    RIP JTV.

  • Zed

    RIP in pepperonis, Twitch. All aboard the train to Azubu!

    • handsomejack47

      I hear Hitbox is lovely this time of year.

  • handsomejack47

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉRIOTヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Evilcustardcream

    R.I.P twitch you fucking faggots.

  • Daniel J. Magaña

    RIP Twitch

  • Roxie Logan
  • fuck you google

    Shame on you google..

  • Google = mierda de vida

    Que hace google con estas plataformas perfectas? Las compra y les mete derechos de autor…… (.l.)

  • Karl Zein

    This is an idiotic decision. How are people supposed to archive their videos if you’re going to mute them? Just stupid.

  • Naz

    ‘Twas nice while it lasted, Twitch. Peace.

  • Sagitarii

    RIP in pieces kappa.tv

  • Mandelbaum

    You really thought this was the best idea? How loudly does money shout that it is able to be heard over the voice of your entire current user base? Are you not making enough money from the ads played on every stream? from the hundreds of thousands of subscription rates you get?

  • Richard Santos

    You’d think having their music listened to during the enjoyment of A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MEDIUM would be beneficial to the music industry and it’s artists. Bobby watches John’s broadcast of Assassin’s Creed, Bobby likes the music John is listening to while he plays, Bobby is unfamiliar with the artist and name of song so he asks Johnny.. Johnny is thrilled to spread the word of his favorite band and all their songs(as music junkies are wont to do). Band has new fan, label has more $.

    • CoworkerJim

      See Richard you’re using something called “logic” and Google doesn’t take kindly to logic.

      • LEOXD

        law doesn’t care if its logical, law cares whether law is currently in force or not.

        • CoworkerJim

          Look out guys we got a legal expert here.

          • LEOXD

            Sadly, I had to deal with this so many times on YouTube that I got some knowledge about copyright.
            Point stands though.

          • attorney at lawl

            “Twitch is not obligated to filter
            content stored on the Twitch platform by its users”

        • attorney at lawl

          “Twitch has partnered with Audible Magic without waiving any rights or
          defenses available to it under law. Twitch is not obligated to filter
          content stored on the Twitch platform by its users and assumes no
          liability for the actions of its users notwithstanding the
          implementation of the Audible Magic technology. Twitch reserves the
          right to stop filtering audio content in VODs in its sole discretion at
          any time and without liability to any third party, subject only to any
          contractual obligations.”

        • http://snipurl.com/8l2ln Dr_Vulpine

          The ‘law’ cares about who has the bigger stick. Or in this case, stacks of infinite money to throw around.

      • Richard Santos

        I mean I’m 30, so I guess that makes me a (unwilling) millennial, but isn’t that how the music industry once operated? You know, like when it wasn’t dying?

    • stargater1

      Hey, lets put this into something you actually MIGHT understand.

      So, I am going to ask you a simple question and I want a truthful answer from you.

      Would you be okay if someone just walked into your home and started “borrowing” your things without asking? Someone you have never heard of, never met, never knew?

      Things like your clothes, TV, Computer, Game Console, Toothbrush, bed, etc?

      • Adam R

        No I wouldn’t be okay with it. Because I wouldn’t have it anymore.
        When someone redistributes a digital music, does the content owner no longer have it? Does it cease to exist? You can’t make this analogy. This is infringement, not theft. They are very different things both in reality and in the legal world.

        • stargater1

          I said borrow, I didn’t say steal. Notice I chose my words carefully. You’d still have it, I would just be using it. You can use it when I am done with it. I’m just going to borrow it. Even borrow without permission, with the intent to give it back is called theft. Thats legal 101.

          It is different, but its to make a point. People draw the line when its personal property of THEIRS. But when its someone elses, no one cares.

          • Adam R

            Borrowing without permission is theft. The very definition of theft is “the action or crime of stealing,” so your argument breaks down. Secondly, the act of “borrowing” necessitates that the original owner doesn’t have said borrowed thing for a period of time. This is not true with digital redistribution. So the analogy does not apply. Again, this is infringement, not theft/stealing, or borrowing.

          • iamriddik

            people draw the line when one thing is a physical good that can’t be used simultaneously by both parties, and the other is someones IP.

            By your logic, hearing a song on a stream in the background of a stream is revenue lost?

          • Richard Santos

            I’d be totally fine if he “borrowed” these things if it could give me a return of more of my things like my clothes, TV, Computer, Game Console, Toothbrush, bed, etc. As allowing us to “advertise” their music would do for them. I’m not questioning the law, I’m questioning the logic behind trying to enforce it in this case.

      • Richard Santos

        (I copy/pasted my reply to you from another comment. More viewers on this one. More people to broadcast me owning you) I understand enough to have been salivating at the lips for someone to say that. I was making a point of how they wouldn’t mind if we PROMOTE their products(and not pay us, hence the tape), but when they can remotely imply that the music I’m listening to is enhancing my broadcast – therefore infringing – they threaten to sue.

  • laff

    lol hooray I guess I can never watch a speedrun on twitch ever again. Google has honestly been one of the worst tech companies for the last several years, everything they’ve done lately just turns immediately to crap.

  • dvd

    http://www.twitch.tv/twitch/c/4691978
    twitch owned by twitch!!!!!1

    • Jaco_1022

      You meen Google, the are the creator of this………..

      • http://venomgraphics.x10.mx/ James Headrick

        Except they aren’t. Google has nothing to do with Audible Magic.

  • gofuckyourself

    see you at Hitbox!

  • Dirtycubeman

    (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

  • Marko Nikolic

    It’s a new thing,silent VODS.Gee thanks Google FailFish

  • Jeffrey Anderson

    ok…. say bye Twitch and Helloo Hitbox!!!!

  • lribs

    STAPH GOOGLE STAPH Kappa

  • Keith Watanabe

    no wonder you guys didn’t want to hire me. i was right about my vlog. bye bye twitch. it was fun back in the day.

  • Adrian Smith

    Wow, that’s fucking stupid. This overzealous copyright bullshit is way out of hand.

  • Krister Storelvmo

    Fuck twitch, kthxbye

  • Pvm_Legacy

    don’t really like this idea, but okay

  • Elijia

    So I’ve attached a picture from a recent stream. This stream is 11 hours long. It raised roughly £50000.00 for cancer.

    The image shows The red are parts of the stream that are muted under this new system. That is over 80% of a stream that had been performed for charity.

    I’d been able to watch for half of the stream. The streamer, B0aty, had been playing song requests of donators off of youtube. That’s it.

    Twitch, do you see the problem here?

  • Richard Santos

    Make sure to tape up your Monster Energy logo on your energy drinks as you play, kids. SMH

    • stargater1

      Ugh, someone doesn’t understand JACK about what is going on. Sad and pathetic.

      Edit: And it is obvious, that you have no clue about Copyrights and Copyright Law.

      • Richard Santos

        I understand enough to have been salivating at the lips for someone to say that. I was making a point of how they wouldn’t mind if we PROMOTE their products(and not pay us, hence the tape), but when they can remotely imply that the music I’m listening to is enhancing my broadcast – therefore infringing – they threaten to sue.

  • soulassssns

    And goodbye. Signed up for hitbox instead.

  • aran nara

    Don’t be evil remember? Greedy, corrupt corporate filth.

  • Richard Santos

    (For the smokers) If you’re gonna stop for a smoke break, make sure the viewers can’t see what brand of smokes you have. Kids watch broadcasts and advertising tobacco to kids is against federal law!

    • Richard Santos

      You clearly don’t get the point I’m making. The music industry doesn’t want a popular broadcast to use their music because the argument can be made that it enhances the quality of said broadcast leading to more viewers. Kind of like how “War Pigs” enhances the first Ironman movie. Therefore the broadcaster is profiting from said music. If such is the case, any brand depicted on screen would have ad value, wouldn’t it? Therefore, smoking a certain brand of cigarettes during a broadcast would be promoting cigarettes to kids. You buffoon.

  • Sultan Andre

    ok,twitch,you are under google now right,well,tell then to stop this copyright BS,if someone threatens to sue them then they should just send their terminators after them,problem solved…

  • Travis Cook

    Stupid stupid stupid move, Twitch. You’re destroying entire archives of stream footage. If this tech is ever used on live streams your website is done. This is why lawyers shouldn’t be allowed to dictate policy.

  • Robert Tavares

    RIP twitch…..

  • Adam R

    Copyright law is nearly a century old. The DMCA nearly two decades old. It hasn’t been amended since enacted in 1998. A few years ago, Twitch didn’t exist. People playing games live, which contained copyrighted music, and listening to music in the background, didn’t exist. Twitch almost singlehandedly took something that didn’t exist and turned it into a multi-billion dollar industry. In 3 years.

    Twitch is in a position of representing the very people who are so enthusiastic about this new form of content creation, new form of content distribution, and new way that people consume media. Twitch had the potential to represent and stand up for what is necessary change to US copyright law, and necessary change to protect the arts and crafts and artists of this country.

    And you blew it. You caved.

    Look, I get it. Twitch made a business decision. They felt that the money lost by implementing this new system will be less than fighting legal battles. And they’re probably right. But it’s an unfortunate state of affairs that organizations such as Twitch who were founded by people who understood what lies in the future for media consumption, are more focused on their bottom line than being a part of legitimate reform which will benefit not only their users, but artists and the arts as a whole.

    I’m not mad about music in my videos being muted. I honestly couldn’t care. What I do care about is Twitch’s position on this issue. And I’m sure my thoughts are shared by many.

    • Taylor Stewart

      dont be an altruistic sperglord. they muted our highlights. they can suck my balls

  • HughMadBro

    time to keep on the addblockers and only directly donate to the casters GG twitch

  • LEOXD

    Public Service Announcement: If you want to use music without getting the VOD muted, you can use free-to-use music (mostly Creative Commons) from these sources: http://goo.gl/CBr7le [spreadsheet]

    • bo00o0m

      or we can swap streaming platform into something like hitbox.tv and keep recording and watching gaming videos with our favorite music instead of some john doe’s :D

      • LEOXD

        And lose a huge possible audience on twitch. And still risk that this happens in a few years/months again.

        • m3kun

          people go where the streams are. what do you think brought “the huge audience” to twitch in the first place. I’ve seen some alternatives today that are years ahead in technology compared to dusty old twitch. now it only takes a few to carry the flag. we shouldn’t feel bound to this service at all.

          • LEOXD

            That’s true.
            But you shouldn’t violate copyright to begin with, but instead fight the current copyright law until worldwide, temporal unlimited distribution (in other words: VOD) becomes legal under certain conditions.

          • m3kun

            i agree that copyright should be respected. i got my album ripped on release day and spread on youtube so i know first hand the feeling of being stolen from. however i do see gaming streams as a grey area where the streamer actually benefits the artist and not the other way area. i bet many tracks have been sold to viewers after asking the streamer what song is playing in the background. of course he didn’t have the “right”, but as an artist i wouldn’t mind that as much. of course there are exceptions where people watch because of the music selection AND the gaming.. but it still is mutual.

          • bo00o0m

            i thought that by violating it we would be “fighting” it. just my 2 cents tho

          • attorney at lawl

            except that Twitch did not at any time violate any copyright laws by hosting said VODs, as they stated above. Future censureship of said VODs is merely a new company policy.

          • Liam Dilley

            But a lot of this stuff is not people making money or putting up the music just to be there etc.
            People playing games and listening to their favourite music via Radio, Live Stream or via what music THEY HAVE PURCHASED is really going over the top.
            This has wider implications to just playing music and being hit with a copyright claim anywhere. It is getting really stupid.

        • bo00o0m

          so what if we have to swap service every couple of years to avoid google censureship? a minor hassle compared to the benefit that a free platform gives us

  • Sevorast

    Well it was a good run guys, sad to see Twitch commit suicide but I guess we all saw it coming.

  • :^)

    LEOXD in charge of the ebin damage control :^)

    • James Browne

      I want /v/ to leave

    • LEOXD

      Tehe. I’m somewhat masochistic for even trying, but it’s so much fun with all the raging people :)

  • bobby00700

    Hey

    will the youtube music get muted as well on twitch streams

  • AJBBB

    Bye Bye Twitch! You were once great now you have the internet turned on you. It’s over. Everyone on here should just register @hitbox.tv to boost their site and let them know we want to support a site that supports us.

  • Nathan

    Well, it was fun while it lasted. RIP Twitch.

  • Cygnus

    Fu-fu-fu-FUCK this

  • Will

    Im pretty sure game devs are fine with their game being streamed. What the fuck has happened due to corporatemgreed, well, if we can play games or songs at parties or festivals why cant we do it over the internet? Next thing you know in 2150 google will have terminators that arrest anyone listening to music out side of earbuds.

    Huell_babineaux: towelliee, make sure not to hum the lion king song, might get shut down

  • Brandon Moore

    That is fucking stupid. And ridiculous.

  • loralis

    So what song does my voice relate 2 ? sincei have 1 of my vods muted, when i am just speaking ?

  • Furluge

    I really have no words right now to express the anger that I am feeling right now at this moment. Congradulations Twitch.tv, you ruined twitch.tv for everyone. You now have a video game streaming service that can’t stream video game audio for fear of your system deciding to destroy the audio. And that’s only the beginning because the contentID claims from game publishers aren’t far behind.

  • NicolaiLinde

    You might as well just remove the whole VOD system then. I’m trying to watch Sevadus last stream and half of it is blocked. What a fucking joke.

  • loltwitch

    And Twitch jumped the shark and killed themselves. Was good while it lasted i suppose

  • bo00o0m

    the guy who filled his bank account with dividends from the $1 bil is
    surely currently very worried about this new policy brought upon his
    former website.

    This website isn’t “twitch” anymore, its google in disguise. Twitch is dead. Time to move along folks. Nuthin to see here

  • Kourgette

    Just, f*ck you.

  • TacoRich
  • Louis Preston Thornton

    This completely chokes out all the smaller guys on twitch, just like youtube.

    • LEOXD

      Except, on YouTube you can appeal the claims. You can’t here.

      • Louis Preston Thornton

        Yes you can, read the last paragraph of the article.

        • LEOXD

          A DMCA counter notification with giving all your personal contacting information. On YouTube, the first dispute doesn’t take anything, the second one requires a verified account (= phone number) and then comes the DMCA counter notification.

          Also, YouTube allows you to remove only the claimed part whereas here an entire chunk is blocked.

  • kor

    You realize that your site is dead until the end of the year?

  • Connor Myers

    This is stupid and Twitch should feel stupid music in vods does NOT infringe copyright as long as it is NOT the focus of said content.

    • LEOXD

      [citation needed]
      To my knowledge, it very much does.

  • No

    Disgusting.
    Once again Google destroys a service, just as they did with YT and their cancerous attention-whoring google minus chor- I mean “integration”.

  • As Bu

    Sites change comply with the law, and people rail on the sites instead of the bad law. How about directing your rage somewhere where it’s actually helpful and useful – the lawmakers who make these stupid laws? I guarantee you that streaming companies hate the laws as much as you do, but they have to abide by them nonetheless.

    Instead of impotently complaining in comments, write your congresspeople.

    • HughMadBro

      in case you havent realized congress no longer runs things obama and his dictatorship does

    • Darth62969

      well a lot of good that will do. i recommend that instead of writing congress you either vote libertarian or run for office yourself. the US Government is too corrupt as it is. and the fact that lobbying has not been outlawed and people who know next to nothing about an industry or issue can vote on a solution to it is just retarded.

    • Adam R

      Twitch was in the best position out of any of us to stand up to these ridiculous and outdated copyright laws. But they didn’t. They caved. So yes, I do blame Twitch.

  • m3kun

    Isn’t it possible to declare Twitch a Webradio of some sort and then call streamers “DJs of this station” and collect a fee to pay for a radio-license? Then no laws would be broken and artists even get payed. Certainly possible with money from partners and pro-subs, no ?

    • Darth62969

      and by artist you mean Record Companies. the artists make money from tours and Merchandising, and by that i mean they sell their music and their souls to Universal and Sony.

  • lexan322

    сука дауны ебаные, испортили всё

  • lexan322

    О боже, дерьмоеды ссаные

  • disqus_4BUSAyHqKP

    Fuck you google. Got to ruin everything I like don’t you? Drop fucking dead.

  • phynias

    if these companies had any common sense they would take this tech that can detect the song and then overlay a link that says “Like this song? Buy it now!”.

    Dumb…

    • m3kun

      Yes, or just call it a web-radio “on paper” AND link to shops. This is such a missed opportunity for Twitch. Instead of banning they should have embraced it.

  • Im So Not Schizo

    Would be much better to just advertise the songs detected.. that way they get money so does the artist win win

  • attorney at lawl
    • m3kun

      it kinda speaks for itself that this video is “not available in my country”. lol

      • Darth62969

        yeah geographic licensing should be illegalized along with closed borders

    • bo00o0m

      hope thats not illegal to post in here. Please dont red tape it Twitch

  • Will

    Not just songs guys, but ingame auido… So if implay dota or something it gets muted because of character speech or sound effects, good idea for a game streaming site…

    • Cecilthedarknight_28

      are you kidding me???!!!!

      • Will

        Nope, u know if u play fifa ur vod will be later muted bcs of the songs it plays, also turn off ur radio in fallout

  • Cecilthedarknight_28

    okay to clarify this only effects 3rd party music you add into VOD’s and not music that part of game??

    • Will

      Game music too

    • Adam R

      No, it effects any copyrighted music. In game music is copyrighted and videos containing it have already been flagged by this new system.

      • Marusame

        dont forget ambient music which is also stated to be under copyright, so just a track that is played in the background for ambience can get caught.

        • Cecilthedarknight_28

          good going twitch, good going.

      • Darth62969

        also ingame sounds animations and other things can be copyrighted so it’s only a matter of time before those are cracked down upon too.

  • dsadas

    Fuck u google

  • Kermit The Frog

    Thanks a lot google.

  • Will

    Isnt this twitch weekly going to be fun, guys

  • NearHi

    What about music that is in the public domain? Stuff like classical. Certain performances are copy-written, but if a classical, public domain song is played by, for example, the Air Force band, then it becomes a public domain performance. Why are those being flagged?

    • LEOXD

      If they are, you can file a DMCA counter notification.

      • wialno28

        Which takes days to fix a problem that should never have occurred in the first place. Thanks Twitch!

  • Taylor Stewart

    why even tease us with a muted video. who the fuck watches a VOD with no sound. the fucking jews are at it again trying to squeeze every fucking sheckel out of us.

    • Will

      What the fuck, dont blame the jews, blame the rich greedy business men. 99% of whom are likely athiest.

      • Labargoth

        Still a great part of them is of jewish heritage.

      • Cecilthedarknight_28

        i’m not blaming any religion or race for what’s going on however keep in mind there are Jewish people “race” and people of the Jewish faith.

  • CrematedCube

    As mad as everyone is, realize that this is a bigger problem. The musical copyright system in the U.S. has become disconnected from reality but still holds legal power. That can be changed, but not by getting angry at individual companies and leaving them. Unless our anger is directed at the root of the issue, and sustained, these mandates will continue to appear. Why settle for this broken system when it can ravage a lively place like Twitch at a whim? Think about how many on the internet have been harassed by these laws. Shall we settle for these ridiculous demands, evade them, or fight against them? These copyright holders have gained nothing by causing this, yet we are suffering from it. This is not okay and must be changed, not avoided.

  • DyingRomanGaming

    This is a joke!

  • Vinc

    Good night sweet prince. guess we need a new streaming platform.

  • morpheus2n2

    Yeah I see this being retracted soon once there userbase suddenly drops, that or they will change the way it works either way it was a very stupid move seen as the whole idea was to have a central place to stream your games, not have said games muted cos of there fucking soundtracks!!!!!

  • Andrew m

    No more Darude- sandstorm what the fuck

  • UpATree

    And so it begins. As soon as there is a real alternative, I’m out.

  • LunaMew

    Google isn’t doing it, read the first paragraph: “We respect the rights of copyright owners, and are voluntarily
    undertaking this effort to help protect both our broadcasters and
    copyright owners.”

    Then read the last one where it mentions that twitch is not obligated to filter the content, that they assume no legal liability for what we do, they can stop doing filter at any time without third-party liability.

    Conclusion: nobody is forcing twitch to do this. they’re doing it by choice.

  • HughMadBro

    the really sad part is that streamers that have written permission to play what they play are getting muted for example bacon donut. He has written consent for all of his music and i went and looked at his vods and they were muted. What do all you twitch whiteknights and wanna be lawyers have to say about?

    • http://tech.gtaero.net/ Navarr Barnier

      That he should file an appeal as the blog post says to, since he has permission it should be fairly straightforward

      • olems

        That is a very manual, cumbersome defense against an instant, automated process. A DMCA counterclaim takes at least 10 days. By then only 16% want to watch your VOD anyway according to the last blog post.

      • giverous

        So people who have gone to the trouble of playing by the rules and obtaining all of the correct permissions should be PUNISHED for that and have their content muted for 10 days?

    • LunaMew

      that twitch is volutnarily doing this without being forced by google at all. Its in the article, first and last paragraph.

    • wialno28

      They don’t care. That’s the problem.

  • http://tech.gtaero.net/ Navarr Barnier

    Twitch, I understand where you’re coming from, but it doesn’t make sense to filter out copywritten game music from video game footage. It just doesn’t make sense.

    • Labargoth

      They’re coming from greedy jews who’d even kill for profit.

  • xxxAceBlade

    Kinda makes me sad to see my favorite site just sell out like this. I guess I’ll see you all on http://www.hitbox.tv

  • Labargoth

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ Down with Twitch management or Riot ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Will

    any one else on ipad having trouble navigating this chat? Site keeps forcing bottom of page

  • Kye

    GG WP

  • bruixen

    Quite literally you have created a situation where entire years worth of content is obsolete because of the background music. Say goodbye to all the hardwork your streamers has given to twitch and its viewers. What a burn, GG.

  • atypical douchebag

    GOOD

  • GreatRedDragon

    I have a question. If I cast Audiosurf or OSU, will this be pointless now even though I have bought all of the music I play on stream? Will this cause my VOD’s to be muted?

    • HughMadBro

      according to all the wanna be lawyers and guardians of twitch they will be

    • wialno28

      Buying the music generally only gives you the right to play it privately. It does not give you a license to broadcast it (under US copyright laws). Unless you purchased a license that allows public rebroadcasting, yes your VOD’s will be muted. If you did purchase a license, your VOD’s will probably STILL be muted but you can submit a DMCA counterclaim to Twitch to attempt to get the audio restored. In other words, you’re just as fucked as the rest of us.

    • Stephen Penton

      No, doing this the music becomes interactive, and thus according to all copyright laws of NAFTA it would be covered under fair use. you might get a flag but upon a review it would be cleared and allowed through.

  • BALOsaar

    Broadcaster & Copyright Owner Appeals

    guilty until proven innocent i see

  • ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

    • ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

      ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Guest

    Bye Nightbot, I used to love your music (most of the time).

  • keysha88

    havent you guys learned from the youtube fiasco?? audio recognition is flawed as hell,this will cost you users garanteed.beside the fact that the whole issue created with copyright on music in the background is just plain retarded anyways.i get the whole we need to get money for our music problem that the companys have theese days but thats only course they made theyr own consumers to theyr enemys.and twitch is dancing to the flute of thoose companys from here on out.its really sad to see this happen.wont be long then i will be arrested and fined for having music in the livingroom and i break theyr rules course i left my window open and ppl that pass by are hearing it.rofl
    companys need to learn to adapt more quicker to the market and not cry like babys about we need money.we live in the digital era.we dont need to adapt,the music companys do.
    there goes twitch.tv..Another one bites the dust……..R.I.P…

  • Groudon199

    So this means archived videos of games like Rock Band and Rocksmith are as sketchy as on YouTube.
    Exactly what I feared would happen.

  • Marcos Bobo Lopez Miranda

    This has to be soo flawed what if the vods of game like GTA5 and a lot if game with music get taken down :C

    • wialno28

      What do you mean “what if”? It’s already happening right now.

      • Marcos Bobo Lopez Miranda

        Really damm then its totally a flawed

        • HughMadBro

          dansgaming fallout 3 was muted for god sakes lol

          • Marcos Bobo Lopez Miranda

            then its really flawed

  • bo00o0m
  • Pigletx128

    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ DEATH OF TWITCH BY GOOGLE RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

  • Kinren

    Damn’t I can’t watch all my favorite streamers live and have to watch the VODS. Now that the VODS are muted its unwatchable. Who wants to watch a muted VOD. With VOIP becoming popular in multiplayer games, people can troll streamers and get their VODS muted. Not good.

  • attorney at lawl

    Youtube can make you liable for any copyright lawl violation charges because they have your real name, adress and even cellphone number. Twitch did not have any of those but I’m sure Google will take care of that shortly when they merge your accounts into it.

    • pavelhr

      What about IP address?? It doesn’t matter if they have your real name etc… as long as they can prove that someone posted copyrighted music from your computer you are liable..

      • attorney at lawl

        you cant press charges against an IP adress. the service provider of said IP would have to give you the client info, which they cannot do without a warrant.

        • attorney at lawl

          unless you’re a member of the police of said IP’s country knocking on the door of the ISP with a warrant you will not obtain the copyrighted material poster’s info.

  • Honkey Cracker

    Ding-Dong! The Twitch is dead!

  • WENDiGO

    Today we witness the fall of twitch.

  • Andrew Buser

    So just to clarify, are they talking about using a music like a band in the background of your videos or the actual music from the video game? When I export to Youtube I have to verify third party because of the video game. I do not use music except for what the game is playing. I had a little trouble understanding.

    • Will

      Both

    • Stephen Penton

      only bands, video game music is EUAd so that a song used in the game can be used when showing off the game without having to worry. and it is only the vods so you can stream with what ever you want. you just cant put it on youtube, like you already coudln’t do to begin with

      • wialno28

        That’s not even remotely true.

        • Stephen Penton

          i’ve DMCA’d more videos on youtube than you’ve probably ever recorded and streamed combined. they are using the exact same system as youtube is because they are owned by google now.

          if the music is in a game such as audio surf it is under fair use.

          but what would someone who has done it before know compared to some wino on a forum

  • uioj

    lmao how is this the best solution that they came up with

    god i feel bad for streamers trying to monetize what they do, no more bg music for them i guess!

    • Stephen Penton

      why? it literally does nothing to a streamers income. the copyright search is not active while streaming live (when they can monetize) only on vods (which can not be monetized through twitch) and anyone who is a monetized partner will already have a contract with the musics they are allowed to use. just like youtube because it is youtube

  • http://outsanity.tumblr.com/ Outsanity

    So, when is the migration to Ustream?

  • Slowmo

    google, please just fuck off

  • Midori

    Twitch why did you become evil? Also would you suggest a different streaming website that isn’t ruined?

    • HughMadBro

      ustream and hitbox are getting flooded right now i heard lol

      • Midori

        Oh really? Good! I hope twitch suffers from this ahaha

        Now which one to choose hitbox or Ustream….

        • Kinren

          Ustream is garbage. I am going to check out Hitbox though.

          • http://outsanity.tumblr.com/ Outsanity

            Hitbox is small but the one plus is no heavy stream delay

  • Adam Beard

    Smooth move, Exlax.

  • Jim Beggs

    in pepperonis m8

  • Kvistur

    You are criminal until proved otherwise. Welcome to middle ages, twitch

    • Stephen Penton

      if a cop pulls you over with stolen goods you might not be arrested, but you don’t get to keep the stolen goods. Welcome to the modern age, moron

      • Kvistur

        George Orwell

  • Jim Cannon

    enjoy your revenue loss.

  • mariano zorrilla

    Ohhhhhh thanks Google… FOR NOTHING!!! You kill this amazing service. SAD, SAD NEWS!

  • Captain Levi
    • http://outsanity.tumblr.com/ Outsanity

      *watches Twitch does the Shane-O-Mac entrance*

  • Kyle Downey

    Twitch.TV June 6, 2011-August 6, 2014 R.I.P

  • Stephen Penton

    this discussion is stupid, Twitch already was muting and hitting people for Videos with copyrighted music, it was in the agreement that you could not VoD music you did not have the rights to. they just had no way to mass examine it

    • attorney at lawl

      as Twitch stated in the above article, it’s not obligated censure the copyrighted content present in the VODs because it does not take responsibility by any copyright infrigement performed by the website’s users when posting such content on it. copyright violations are passive of being charged on the website user and not on the website itself.

      • Stephen Penton

        that is totally why megaupload is still the number one file service in the world right?

  • Austin Long

    R.I.P Twitch. Hitbox is going to blow up now. It’s stupid to have this as a feature seeing as how people are not making money off of the music that is playing during the stream but from what they’re streaming. Using this music is basically free advertisement for whoever created the music getting more people to go and check them out.

  • Kinren

    Just checked out HitBox…..I would not be sad if streamers moved to this site, its really well done so far.

  • Sebastian Powell

    Could you at least be consistent in your total bullcrap? I’ve got 1 silent hill speed run muted for about 20 minutes but another run with no recognized content at all. I’ve also got Hotline Miami runs flagged on YT for 3rd party audio that aren’t being detected by your crumby system on here. So stupid

  • WOLF81

    Bit worried now… I made a phone call the other day but I had some music playing in the background. I was lucky enough the music industry didn’t notice or I’d imagine my phone line would’ve been muted. What a bunch of bullshit. I can understand (to an extent) of just music being shared on youtube for example. But when games and vocals such as commentary overlaps the music, what the fuck is it doing to the music industry? It promotes their music. In no manner does it steal from their pockets. The legal dinosaurs of the industry need to wake up, get with the times and see the benefits of the free advertising they get when thousands/millions of people hear their song via social media.

    • wialno28

      This exactly. I have bought so much great music that I heard from games or just played in streams on breaks.

  • Josh

    Twitch, you fucked the speedrunning community by enforcing <2 hour VODs, and now you've fucked everyone else over with this. Idiots.

  • Benjamin Griff Lindsay

    This is going to limit the games streamed and streamers themselves, and in a business of streaming, probably not a tactical business model. Many games i.e. GTA, Saints Row, plus SOOOOO much more, contain music from huge artists and to have a 4 hour stream muted because of music which has been paid for by the franchises is a massive punch in the groin to everyone involved. this includes, Twitch, Streamers, Artists and Game Devs/Production compaines.. No one wins.
    I also agree that by muting songs on a stream, you are actually denying new listeners to the artists which in turn denies potential revenue.
    I feel this move is a step forward in a backwards direction. Soz Twitch.. Ya dun goofed.

    How about this as a solution? If you are “Turbo”-ed and copywrite music is played in the stream, no mute occurs and a portion of the subscription for Twitch pays for the use of music?
    Like wise for people who subscribe to a particular channel, a portion of the subscription fee goes toward the copyright where copyright occurs?

    Though personally I just see everything happening here a massive money grab..
    So on that note.. TWITCH GIVE ME A JOB WITH YOU!! :D

    • Stephen Penton

      the reason for the muting is so that Google via twitch does not get sued for illegal usage of copyrighted goods. allowing people to pay for the right to steal is not legal

      • summoner ranger

        yes, that is before they start hiting live steaming, and u know they are going to

        • Stephen Penton

          they can’t, they have no legal reason to, live streaming is under fair use the same way a radio show is

  • sugewhite

    “Boo” It must have sucked to know you had to write this blog post….

  • sugewhite

    Twitch you guys will be in a VERY HEATED discussion here:

    We want to hear your feedback and questions. Tune in to the following events to ask us (almost!) anything:

    Reddit AMA on /r/Twitch: Thursday, August 7, 10:30am PST

    Twitch Weekly: Friday, August 8 at 2pm PST

    BTW 1118 comments and growing…..

  • Mike Ds

    i don’t mind this stuff but censoring 30min of any vod for possibly a few seconds of some random music it’s overkill. This may kill the VOD section of twitch, because excessive use of force.

  • Shawn Collier

    Considering Content ID is now in place, I wonder how long before “You must login to Google+ to view this stream” becomes a reality.

    • LEOXD

      Considering that they didn’t use Content ID but non-Google Audible Magic, it probably never will.

  • Alycake

    RIP Twitch.

  • attorney at lawl

    http://www.hitbox.tv/game/league-of-legends
    League of Legions gettin hyped almost 1k viewers o/

  • Furluge

    The only way I see to combat this is to take a page out of Netflix’s and even Google’s playbook. Shaming by putting up a message similar to the following: “Due to recent policy changes a Twitch.tv we may be unable to provide audio to videos after the initial broadcast due to Twitch’s system which may remove certain in game sound effects or music. If you are a viewer who would like to be able to watch past broadcasts and highlights please let Twitch.tv know at http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/emails/new“

  • Hyper Gaming

    This AMA should be entertaining to watch

  • KevinRop

    And officially Twitch die in the hands of google

  • John ‘Genryu’

    Time to leave Twitch. Whoever came up with this ridiculous idea needs to be fired. It’s a sure fire way to ensure that you run Twitch into the ground and lose many of your users. Massive fail!

  • Hyper Gaming

    This will be the new twitch.tv
    http://alpha.gaminglive.tv/#/channels

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  • Thanatos2k

    This is an absolute disgrace. Twitch, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

  • Cedzilla

    So do we have to turn off all in game music in order to properly use vod without our audio being effected?

  • Thanatos2k

    The only thing sadder than Twitch doing this is the fools who defend it.

  • sai

    ok so… twitch die,some one know another stream service whitout this bulshit of content id?

  • Sopheset111

    What if you got written permission to use the music?

    • LEOXD

      You’ll have to file a DMCA counter notification.

  • Keile

    Fine then! I’ll start my own streaming service! With blackjack…and hookers! In fact, forget the streaming service, and the blackjack!

  • Knightsavior

    Would it not be better to only limit the VOD music filtering to only the non-partnered of twitch? The ones that are partnered should get the extra benefit of being exempt, especially some of the ones that probably have many VODs as it just seems quite unfair.

    Part of this deal would simply alienate the ones that don’t want to use a third party service to upload their videos.

  • Ade

    Oh well, time to find somewhere else to stream that is not being messed up by google, RIP twitch you’re on your way to losing a lot of streamers, well done.

  • JackBanner

    Grats on killing Twitch google, so where’s the new site? LMFAO

  • Robert Mock

    Really guys? The same freaking day of the time limit and automatic removal? Sheesh.

  • Edward Hertzler

    Looks like streamers have to turn off music in their video games or just playing games like GTA, Saints Row, etc.

  • attorney at lawl

    i suggest that in protest against this Google measure we streamers migrate to other site like hitbox.tv and use our remaining twitch.tv accounts to post many VOD’s filled only with copyrighted material.

  • Avanas Twitch

    IMO people who have paid for a Spotify account and/or bought songs from Itunes, should not have their audio muted. I understand this would be IMPOSSIBLE to regulate, but still sucks for poeple who have legitimately purchased the music.

  • LunaMew

    I suggest we form an official steam group too, and actively boycott twitch.

  • Leo

    That’s BS

  • ZeroBoredom

    So, what’s the next twitch since twitch got googl’d?

  • NamelessDrake

    This isn’t Google’s doing. It’s not for sure that Google has struck a deal to buy Twitch. Neither side has confirmed a deal.

  • AsPalacesBurn

    RIP twitch tv

  • JeronimoPW

    I’m out already.

  • sugewhite

    I see a board meeting in the am to discuss this post and some “revisions” over donuts and coffee

  • Walker_D

    I though that the “past broadcasts deletion thing” was pure crap, but I was wrong …this is a better definition of crap in it’s pure form.

  • RuinVoDsWITHgoogleplus

    This might be the dumbest thing you could have ever done.

  • ridealong

    if it aint broken, DONT FIX IT

  • Hugh Madbro

    Only one way to fight this kind of machine, and that is to hit them in the one place those greedy bastards understand (there bank accounts). Everyone go and download your favorite adblocker and do not subscribe. Donate 5 bucks a month to your favorite streamers directly via donations. Buy their t-shirts, use the affiliate links but do not give this sellout company another dime.

  • TheZaius

    I wonder how much this will actually affect Twitch. Youtube and Facebook do all sorts of questionable things and people still use them. I mean, there’s just no alternative. I suppose Twitch was a kind of alternative to Youtube but now THIS is happening. And for Facebook, I either actually use my Google+ account, which I don’t like, or go back to MySpace. That’s still a thing, right?

  • GhostWolfGames

    A serious question: Will streamers be able to highlight videos for export or somehow download the original audio for these muted sections? Many streamers enjoy posting highlights of funny moments on their Twitch and Youtube channels, and now if those great moments are within 30 minutes of a hit on this system (false positive or actual correct identification), those will be lost forever.

    Alternatively, having the software that mutes the audio pay a bit more attention to that 30 minute segment and actually mute only the offending section on a second pass at say 1 minute intervals (rather than overstepping the music rights owners right to control their content by allowing them to mute 30 minutes of audio that is NOT violating usage rights), that would also help reduce loss of audio that could be useful to content producers.

    • Avanas Twitch

      I tried about an hour ago to highlight a muted section of my VON for a highlight. It was still muted after making the highlight, and trying to export it to YouTube gave an error message of “Our exporter is over capacity right now. We’ll be back soon. Email
      yte@justin.tv if you want to be informed of when this is back up and
      running.” So I’m guessing they figured out exporting it would regain the audio :/

      • GhostWolfGames

        I think most of that issue is many partnered streamers, including myself, have been exporting large amounts of past saved streams in the last day or so in order to save them from the 14-day rolling deletion system that Twitch implemented to save on storage space. It is likely unrelated to this, since then our content would fall under YouTube’s terms and control (and contentID system) which is fair stricter than Twitch’s.

        Obviously since you can appeal the mute, the original audio is there somewhere, I would just like the ability to retrieve that audio so I don’t have go through and manually request each clip I want to compile into a highlight be unmuted if it isn’t offending the music use.

        • Avanas Twitch

          Ohhhh ok that makes sense. I didn’t realise people export entire streams. I’ve only exported highlights.
          Yeah they sure didn’t give us much time or notice with this.

          • GhostWolfGames

            Yeah, I’ve recently been playing The Walking Dead and have been recording the game on Dxtory as well as the stream, and I greatly enjoy having the safety of having a way to recover hours of footage when Dxtory crashes as it often does with TWD so I can still have complete episodes ready for upload to Youtube later. I’ve recovered so many highlights from twitch as well in the past that I worked to save what I can.

            I also have found that Youtube is much friendlier to later editing since you can download files in mp4 format rather than flv format which is tricky to import into video editors (hence why I do most of my exporting).

  • danwat1234

    The portion will be muted??? How about the whole video??! WHy? Just mute the portion of the video with the copyrighted music.
    Francis is really having a field day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHNAJvyrRo4

  • danwat1234

    Also, I hope one day bittorrent chat will transform to allow streaming videos,, on the fly torrent feeds could replace twitch, with zero intrusion by “industry”.

  • Illutian Kade

    I would recommend people seek out the royalty free artists. They have amazing talent and are ecstatic for us to play their music **BECAUSE IT’S FREE ADVERTISING; SOMETHING THE RIAA IS TOO FUCKING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND**.

    ….Starve the mother fuckers out of business.

    BTW: I haven’t bought music in a loooong while; I’m not admitting to anything…draw your own conclusions ;)

    Oh…also, Twitch, RIAA, and RIAA-whores (aka signed artists)….go fuck yourselves.

    • Darksock

      I totally agree with you:) 100%.

  • Sir Gruffles

    So what about all of us with bots in our Streams like Nightbot, Moobot, and Xanbot, where people can request songs through YouTube? Or music from Pandora? Does this mean we can’t listen to any of these?

    We should at least be given some time for our previous streams to make our highlights with sound before you suddenly mute the sound with no warning.

  • DistantDrummer69

    Your own videos have been muted by this tool, so we can only surmise that you did not have the appropriate licenses for the audio in your VOD? If you did, can you see why this is bad for people who HAVE bothered to license their content? You are punishing people indiscriminately.

  • Darksock

    Well its a good day for content owners. I am sure many people are offended by this event however that said as a music producer and content producer I welcome this change. Content Owners and Producers make next to nothing for our creations and the times we actually create something worthwhile it is often stolen or copied and used by bigger fish.

    This policy does not really help producers at all, it just enables the bean counters to collect more, however it does benefit small guys like me as well since it puts things I produce more in demand as an independent music producer. Need music? Get a license at Darksockmedia.com.

    • Avanas Twitch

      I wholeheartedly see your point. It’s just a downer for us who have actually purchased the music, and play it in the background on our stream, only to have our content which we may want to highlight, muted.

      • Darksock

        It’s understandable. Copyright law is quite retarded. It really works for nobody except “The Suits”.

        • Ijiin

          Exactly. I honestly don’t see a problem with people using music in the background. if anything the streamer is just promoting artist they like. And it’s not like we’re hosing music festivals in our channels.
          I don’t know where other people get their music from but i use spotify, wich is a free service if you’re willing to listen to adds once a while. But i do pay for the service to not having to listen to adds.

          So it’s basically just me promoting what i like to listen to in the background on a free service. So if anyone really likes what im listening at they could just download spotify them self getting free music themself.

    • Hugh Madbro

      A “real” musician makes music because they want their music to be heard and it is never supposed to be about money. When you play a guitar at a get together for friends do you charge them to listen? Any musicians or producers crying about money have forgoten what music is really about and have no right whatsoever to call themselves artist imo

  • bo00o0m

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZm8vNHBSU

    Arrrrrrr!! me hearties! i be downloadin’ some videogame tracks off of airmp3.com! and some Alestorm for me parrot polly! damn you landcrabs! aaarrrrrrrrgh!

  • wkwkwk

    the dota 2 international vods were muted because they are using their own music

  • Bobisadrummer

    Everyone should just play Woody Guthrie’s “This Land is Your Land” on repeat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1my1jn6QHzE

  • andremm

    Oh boy

  • Josh VW

    So…does this mean I can’t use Song DJ etc during my streams as it’s going to be muted in my VOD’s? Even though half the reason I have people come to my stream is to listen to my music?

  • awakenedheathen

    so i guess no streaming fallout 3 or galaxy news will get muted

    • awakenedheathen

      actually i just checked my fallout 3 highlight…muted.

      • Hugh Madbro

        poor dansgaming never ever plays any music other than whats in the game and they muted his fallout 3 footage too

  • dsi1

    RIP Twitch. It appears Google is fast becoming the EA of everything.

  • WD

    Even IF Twitch are doing this to stay on the right side of the law (which in itself is bullshit but that’s a story for another day), Content ID-style systems like this do not work, and often end up taking down entire channels from big, big players in the gaming scene, GoldGloveTV being a rather high-profile repeat example. Not only that, it’s an easily abusable system and any error can be blamed on robots which is unacceptable no matter how it is spun. You do not even need to prove you are the owner of the rights; any system with free partnership, even Audible Magic (which is one among many copyright enforcement vulture firms), are susceptile to impersonation of rightsholders and even idiots like spam404, which repeatedly took down big YouTubers by abusing Content ID, signing up and running rampant.

    Aside from this, triggering on finding BGM is a big no-no, especially considering many high-profile composers actually embrace the use of their music; see zircon, virt (Jake Kaufman), and many others, as long as credit is properly given.

    Tell me, Twitch staff, would you silence a VoD containing music by Peter Crowley(real name Pierre Feal), even though he says on his business website that licensing is only required for large commercial operations such as game developers and movie studios, and only credit is required for YouTubers (and by logical extension, streamers)? If you think this won’t happen; it already has. Someone mentioned below that zircon expressed concern on Twitter over his music being flagged despite him not being an Audible Magic partner.

    This is suicide, even if Google is or isn’t responsible, and you damn well know it.

    E: Fuck off Disqus, I didn’t want those embeds. Links removed.

    • Darksock

      This is true. THese firms constantly flag peoples content that actually do have a license. The result is flagged content that will not be monitised by the producer ever since countering these flag’s is impossible.

    • WD

      For those wondering, the first video that Disqus decided in its infinite wisdom to auto-embed contains music from Ancient Bards, an act signed under the umbrella of one of the big players in the RIAA.

  • Acetone

    I’ve been thinking about what Twitch could implement to avoid having to do something like this since @SirScoots tweeted about it some time ago. I disagree with the copyright law itself, but that’s not the issue here. How can Twitch allow its users to continue making commercial use of others’ copyrighted content (i.e. music) in a legal manner? My idea was to form a kind of partnership with some music service (e.g. Spotify) that enables Twitch broadcasters to listen to (and include in their broadcasts) music via that service. I’ll post this in the /r/Twitch AMA on Friday, since it probably won’t get any attention here (it may not on reddit, too. OH WELL).

  • Ulises_ro

    Oh yeah.. i going to go to twitch because i need to listen my fav album and new music.. WTF!… Google rules sh*t !

  • GGtwitch

    So basically I can’t listen to music when I stream anymore; thanks you fucking assholes.

  • regularman

    I see the Google effect is starting to rear its ugly-ass head on Twitch

  • Hugh Madbro

    LAWL even twitch staff know that twitch is fucked http://imgur.com/56MquW4 #riptwitch

  • http://www.emorym.com EmoryM

    Doing your AMA on a subreddit you moderate? Killing VOD? Bringing the brokenness of YouTube’s ContentID to Twitch? Wow.

  • Ob1Kn00b

    This is idiotic, and it is shooting yourselves in the foot.

  • Abigail Pracht

    This sounds like an awful idea and obviously I’m not the only one who thinks so. Be careful you guys, if you start making streams less enjoyable for viewers, then somebody’s going to make a better service and you’ll quickly lose business.

  • Kinren

    While watching a streamer, the first thing I do when I hear music, that I like, is go and check out the artist. Then I start learning and listening to more music of the artist. Then I start supporting the artist monetarily.

    If you cut out the first part where I don’t even hear the music, then the next parts will never happen. Who dumb idea was this. Everyone suffers.

  • http://my.opera.com/dr-flay Doc Flay

    Here are a few more sources of free music and sounds for use in non-commercial games or videos.
    http://freemusicarchive.org
    https://archive.org/details/netlabels
    http://gv-sound.bandcamp.com
    http://www.last.fm/label/Fishy+Business
    http://www.ut99.org/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=4745
    http://www.mashuptown.com

    All works will normally only require notification or credit.

  • http://people.ign.com/red_wesley red_wesley

    Your little update removed ALL past broadcasts created via the PS4. –_– Thanks for that.

  • Ștefan Agape

    This sucks. But greed is greed.

  • http://www.spaghetti.com Kaisenex

    rip twitch

  • http://www.twitch.tv/gladiusreal Chris Hollie

    awwwwwwww dang

  • AnEternalEnigma

    Lol. Hitbox crashed today because of all the new signups. GG Twitch.

  • Jestersmiles

    Master says jump , Twitch say how high..

  • Neo Shock

    I would have thought that Twitch would have known better than to accept Google’s purchase of them.

    In my opinion, this will give no benefit to Twitch whatsoever. In fact, it might make users leave their services, and hate them for their “betrayal.”

    I don’t believe Google actually NEEDS them. They already have their own streaming service, Let’s Play videos, etc. Twitch doesn’t really need Google either. They were a very capable company that could have done great things independently. I wonder if Google bought Twitch out of greed and jealousy, and didn’t care if it might negatively effect users, and make them upset.

    • Hugh Madbro

      its the oldest corporate strategy know to man “eliminate the competition”

  • y0su

    Without going through my VODs, how do I know content has been muted?
    How do I then figure our WHY (specifically) my content was muted? (So I know what I need to show rights/permission for?)

  • Josh

    What if I listen to a VOD that has music in it? Are you gonna come to my house and beat me? Sue me? Arrest me? just fuck you

    • SgtKonus

      “This is Sony! Turn the Prince off or we’ll arrest you for abuse of funk!”

  • Ken Anton Lucas-Read

    Looks like i am jumping on to the train to Hitbox

  • Blaise

    Man copyright hounds are lame. I discovered so much good music watching streams, new bands and songs. I guess that won’t be happening anymore.

    Oh well, jokes on these companies. I’ll still be downloading music for free, never pay. Peace.

    • SgtKonus

      And the Internet wins again!

    • Hugh Madbro

      VPN and ghost IP’s for the win i have a 500 gig of free music from pirate bay, if the government wants to come and get me im sure they know where i am, but i assure you im in louisiana and we all have guns so bring it lol

  • couchface
  • karo shino

    Don’t panic. Don’t you know? There’s tons of quality music that musicians agree and encourage everyone to share freely. Corporations suck. Use your brain and google. Archive.org, cctrax.com, sonicsquirrel.net ….Vanilla clean cc licenses. Just saying.

  • David Yellope

    Big Content are assholes. Twitch is slightly less an asshole for giving in to them

  • Mik3t

    People need to move elsewhere, this was obviously coming once they accepted the googlebucks

  • Donger

    Rip twitch, it was nice

  • Kinren

    “Muhhahahahaha….work is complete. Now no one can promote our artists or their music” – Dumb Music Executive

  • John Chorley

    I think its wrong to include in game music as third party content because it can’t helped in a lot of cases, your effectivley killing your service as Twitch is a platform for people to stream games, I’m sorry but I think Google/YouTube has forced you into this.

  • xanox

    Sorry twitch im not casting here anymore. Fuck you

  • Fior

    okay.. that’s a lie jamendo ask you for a pro license to stream music as well as songfreedom

  • http://diablohub.de/ Nachten

    Sorry, but thats one of the best bullshits I’ve ever seen.

  • Aaron Connor Hennessy

    Thanks for ruining Twitch, Google. Fuck you. Sincerely, everyone.

  • neonas

    thats what happen than google buys something -_-

  • Falex

    Thanks for killing another website google. I guess losing a billion doesn’t hurt you though.

  • David Sarmiento De La Peña

    lolololololololololololol

  • Jac

    Goodbye twitch, was fun while it lasted. rip

  • Setrian

    Wow. Just wow. As someone not living in ‘merica and who enjoys the content produced by streamers who do I have just lost the last possibility I had of seeing that content. I cannot watch it during the actual broadcast as the servers are still not up to snuff so I had been relying on the VOD archives. I checked a few of my favourite streamers archives and everything is flagget. It was hard enough working with the janky playback but this is just the last nail in the coffin of my use of Twitch.

    • Setrian

      Oh, newer mind. Just saw that they will be deleded in 3 weeks anyways. So much for saving for posterity…

  • ƦeνoƖυtioɳ（=´ω｀=）

    and twitch is officially ruined

  • Stas Chehlatov

    ГУГЛ РОМАШКА

  • Kinren

    Well, I thought about this for awhile now. I can’t support this crap. I have canceled all my subs, knowing that half the money supports twitch. Doesn’t look like I need to support twitch anymore. I am just gonna donate at least 5 dollars directly too the streamers instead of subbing…..damn I am going to miss those emotes.

  • Simbot14

    This is so stupid I stream with background music all the time and now all my highlights have been muted. Thanks Google for all your useless bullshit!

  • Karl

    Dear Twitch,
    Please fire your lawyers for not telling you that playing a game on stream, including in-game music, is not copyright infringement.

    Kind regards,
    Everybody.

  • Oopth

    I think it is time to boycott Google. Time to uninstall chrome and use firefox and bing.

    • Kinren

      Yes I thought about this too. I am going to switch my email from gmail, uninstall chrome, and get either an IPhone or Windows Phone. This will take a bit, but I am tired of Google…so tired of that company.

  • John Chorley

    Oh BTW got this from UK Copyright Law.

    What is incidental inclusion?

    This is where part of a work is
    unintentionally included. A typical examples of this would be a case
    where holiday movie inadvertently captured part of a copyright work,
    such as some BACKGROUND MUSIC, or a poster that just happened to on a
    wall in the background.

    http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use

    In game background is classed as fair use. Under UK copyright law, in game background muisc would be classed as incidental inclusion because in a lot of cases this can’t be helped when your streaming.

    • http://shanefagan.com/ Shane Fagan

      Also if the judges were being fair if you had to go to court. In that case you just argue that your work is derivative work and they can’t actually argue with you. You are selling your voice and your gameplay. The music is just to give something to listen to. And as well as that there is no law protecting artists in this kind of case anyway.

      The thing I found interesting is streaming audio from Spotify already has a streaming licence so wouldn’t that be already covered?

      • John Chorley

        Yep and a lot of times in-game music cannot be helped, hence why it falls under Incidental inclusion.

  • Nearika

    Fuck you Twitch

  • Sean MacDonald

    Twitch is used to stream video games. Since this system can mute highlights due to video game soundtracks, that means a decent portion of highlights will be muted. This is a huge oversight that I’m surprised Twitch didn’t even consider.

    • John Chorley

      Clearly they also didn’t realise that in-game background music usually cannot be helped, plus providing commentary makes this fair use.

      • Simbot14

        They need to change the direction they are going in.

    • Simbot14

      Yup all my highlights have been muted its so fuckin stupid.

    • Oopth

      Money talks.

    • Darji

      Twitch does not care anymore since these owners got a huge moneybag from Google now. It is all Google from now on. And they are worse than Hitler and Walt Disney Together

  • Guest

    ГУГЛЕ ПОШЕЛ НА ХУЙ С ТВИЧА УРОД,

  • Sean MacDonald

    Using 30 minute groupings to decide whether or not it needs to be muted is pretty extreme. 10 minutes would be fair I guess, but that’s being generous. If we’re going to have this encumbrance shoved down our throats, I’d like to see the section lengths be cut down to 3-5 minute intervals (you know, the average length of a song). This is still fairly ridiculous because the only time people are going to go back and watch a Streamer’s past recordings is in a highlight, (no one’s going to go back and watch an entire 6 hour recording of someone’s old stream) and I highly doubt Streamers are going to post 30+ min highlights of straight up music. If anything, highlight >3 mins should be excluded from this.

  • g0r37s

    rip twich dmn google((

  • человек

    Yoytube you ebannoe GOWNIWE

  • человек

    уmри сoздатель этой фигни!!!!

  • H4mm4r3

    Time to move to hitbox then, fuck google.

  • Dubsys

    So you guys start having these live music broadcasts then decide to run audio recognition crap on vods so nobody will actually be able to listen to the live broadcasts after they were live, good thinking twitch!

  • dddddd

    DEAD SITE

  • Googs

    Fuck you Twitch.

  • colinsoup

    Off to host my music jukebox @ hitbox.tv/souptv

  • keewee

    So basically you paid Audible Magic for analyzing some never-watched VOD’s(80% of them, remember) that you will take down in the next three weeks anyway. Money laundering much?

  • tehevilbunny

    Your software blows. Just muted almost 30 minutes of streamplay when I had no music playing in the background. Unless it is supposed to mute in-game music, which is even more idiotic because I don’t believe FromSoftware is concerned about protecting its in game “music” in Dark Souls II. Plus anything I say to my friends over Mumble is my content.

    Figure your Ess out.

  • Googs

    Hey Google, have fun with this $1B+ website that you just ruined, you fucking idiots.

  • ScGreenz

    Omg.. Stupid google being assholes and doing this to twitch. ah maaaaan.

  • Никита Бессарабов

    YouTube, уйди нахуй с Твича, мразь!

  • Blàck Lotus

    FUCK YOU GOOGLE

  • Amirxan

    -

    • Googs

      hitbox.tv

  • Yo Hero

    Feedback? This is honestly the beginning to the end. Good job twitch. this is going to go down the hole. This whole copyright thing is ruining the internet. Whatever happened to freedom on the internet. And if im paying for pandora and using pandora to play my music and there is volume coming from the game im playing including me talking there shouldnt be a problem.

  • Ray Kremer
    • H4mm4r3

      That is amazing!
      Same rules for everyone!

  • Nervous Nelly

    Google takes the copyright infringement too far. If nobody is profiting by playing music in the background, then it shouldn’t be muted. There’s a lot of great old music out there people have forgotten because Google thinks it’s respecting it’s copyright owners. One day we’ll all wake up and realize it was being disrespectful by letting great, forgotten and satisfying music to fade away because nobody can play it anymore. By letting us play music it helps us remember. I’ll hear a song and be like.. wow I haven’t heard that in ages and never would have heard it anytime soon if it wasn’t for that random streamer guy who played it. Very strict copyright infringement with no profiting purposes is just fading away forgotten songs.

    • Nervous Nelly

      I wonder if you have a friend or sister/brother sitting next to you on
      the couch while you stream, and they happen to be watching a wedding
      video off their ipad, iphone, etc, and it happens to be at the part
      where they’re dancing to music and yur mic just magically picks up bits
      and pieces of it and you get muted for something people could barely hear.

      • Nervous Nelly

        If I ever get married and we have a very special dance song we want to play, does that mean I have to contact the original artist first and ask for his permission to play his song at my own wedding?! That’s the example Google is laying down by doing this 3rd party audio crap since the average amount of people in a stream is about 150-200, about the same as a big wedding.

  • Doctor

    This is completely stupid!! If you wanted to be like Youtube, why not move EVERYTHING on this website to a youtube page!
    See ya on Hitbox

    • H4mm4r3

      Doctor, you do know that google bought Twitch right? (Google also owns youtube if you missed that)

      • Doctor

        yeah, I’m sadly aware of the whole situation^^

  • fdssdffsddfsdfsdsf

    Fuck google+ :)

  • Danutzzz

    Well this was expected to come sooner or later and it’s no surprise for most of us. But, most of the streams i’ve watched so far, all of the broadcasters were already using either royalty free music, or music from artists that have given their permission to play the music. Sure, there are still some broadcasters that still play music from youtube, but as that happened to youtube, will happen to twitch as well, people will adapt and there are plenty of places to get royalty free music for your background music flavor.

  • fanSte

    And there goes the visitors !! bye !!

  • Repooc

    Not liking this at all…

    • GR138Legend

      join the club

    • H4mm4r3

      Leave twitch.tv and join hitbox.tv

      • Repooc

        I have a hitbox account already ;)

  • Vivien Malagnat

    Someone can explain how they decide I didn’t buy the music, i pay a google music abonnement every month so basically I can listen “all” the song i want, but i’m still fucked if I wanna watch a vod of league of legend where i can’t hear the streamer explain why I’m stuck in silver league ? Seriously ?

    • GR138Legend

      It’s all a question of fair use. YOU payed to rent the music and be able to listen to it. The owner is the company that paid the artists fees and for the facilities.
      …
      Of course that doesn’t actually apply to streams, recorded or otherwise. In the same way that you or I could walk down the street with a boom box on our shoulder, blasting music everywhere you like, UNDER THE LAW, use of any copyright material in a public setting is defined by the concept of fair use… I could quote the actual parts of law but they vary according to geographic location…

      • Vivien Malagnat

        I know but we are like.. approching no sense .. I mean, i discover lot of group cause I watched streaming with music and now they are just like “omg u can listen music on twitch let’s remove it and 50% of content when streamer speak in same time” if u want listen a music free it’s really really more simple to search it on the net than search the music in twitch, what’s next ? I pay for google music and if I invit friend in my house who didn’t pay for it I’m out of law if I put music ? what about music in game ? GTA for example, where are we going next ? ear implant to check if u have the right to hear this music/sound ? it’s getting ridiculous ..

        • GR138Legend

          It’s why the whole DCMA situation is flawed. IF anybody says ‘fair use’ in response to a take down message ‘they’ the ones that bring the conflict have to stand it up in court. A three year old could defend themselves in that situation. It just hasn’t actually happened yet.
          The problems come because the counter requires that ‘you’, the one whom the complaint has been brought against, has to give your address and other personal information, and when your criticising a hate group that can be very bad for your health…

        • GR138Legend

          I misspoke, the founder of creative commons has had to stand up against it in court. He won. Of course.

  • H4mm4r3

    http://www.hitbox.tv/ is the future for gamers and streamers.

  • gohanbrian1

    Y u do dis Google. S A D B O Y Z BibleThump

  • Monarchy16

    And so it begins…

  • Dredg

    Does anyone actually give a flying fuck if a song is playing during a stream? I’m trying to listen to the caster and/or the game audio. The music is just something to fill the dead space. It’s not like some kind of illegal radio station, streaming free music to the masses under the black flag of piracy. I think Twitch and whoever else came up with this idea is really missing the whole point of the service THEY offer.

    • neokiva

      well the problem is it detects game music/sound as well as the users own music and mutes the 30 minute section it’s in and games have lots of copyrighted music and guess what that means the whole stream is muted no sound no music no caster = fucking boring let’s play.

  • Gary Eakin

    Im out.

  • Genesis Maldonado

    ALL SEEING EYE OF GOOGLE STRIKES AGAIN!

  • Kimberley May

    Those of you that use youtube will know the VOD is rubbish I use royalty free music and still get false copyright claims – I am forever filing disputes! If auto mutes are in place on Twitch instead of auto adverts like on youtube it will affect streamers in a big way, piss people off and they will go else where. Yes they may need to do something about copyright infringement but the software they use is flawed and companies put in false claims with no way if fighting it if they disagree with your dispute!

  • Blondy Mouse

    Goodbye, good old Twitch

  • neokiva

    yet again google ruins something good

  • Khalid Khalaf

    Twitch streams (VODs) without music? Congratulations on voluntarily destroying Twitch.

  • Guest

    This is fucking ridiculous, overzealous, unnecessary, and you have in one stroke destroyed your community, and its trust in you.

    If you read the goddamn DMCA the onus is on the HOLDER TO PROVE, not on YOU TO PREEMPT.

    So, this is nothing more than a sweeping solution to a problem that didn’t exist, and you’re framing it as HELPING US?!?

    FUCK YOU.

    I’m moving to Hitbox. And many, many I know are also.

    You say you won’t do this to live streams, but in cowing like this, when you were in a position to have a real voice in changing IP Law, by standing as a bulwark for common sense, you’ve now hurt your own legal position down the road; if music is infringement, which you admit by your actions that you believe it to be, what’s the hair-splitting that makes the live streams not also infringing if they have ANYTHING on them that isn’t licensed and paid millions of dollars for?

    Oh, right. You didn’t think that far ahead.

    Because it actually DOES hurt you, and it means the only reason you’re NOT doing this to live streams [yet] is because the processing power is too expensive.

    Go ahead. Tell me I’m wrong. I dare you.

  • John Doe

    This is fucking ridiculous, overzealous, unnecessary, and you have in one stroke destroyed your community, and its trust in you.

    If you read the goddamn DMCA the onus is on the HOLDER TO PROVE, not on YOU TO PREEMPT.

    So, this is nothing more than a sweeping solution to a problem that didn’t exist, and you’re framing it as HELPING US?!?

    FUCK YOU.

    I’m moving to Hitbox. And many, many I know are also.

    You say you won’t do this to live streams, but in cowing like this, when you were in a position to have a real voice in changing IP Law by standing as a bulwark for common sense, you’ve now hurt your own legal position down the road; if music is infringement, which you admit by your actions that you believe it to be, what’s the hair-splitting that makes the live streams not also infringing if they have ANYTHING on them that isn’t licensed and paid millions of dollars for?

    Oh, right. You didn’t think that far ahead.

    Because it actually DOES hurt you, and it means the only reason you’re NOT doing this to live streams [yet] is because the processing power is too expensive.

    Go ahead. Tell me I’m wrong. I dare you.

    • GR138Legend

      Double post? Also it’s more a question of fair use and copyright from what I understand. Still wrong but their ignorant and listen to the fear mongering of their lawyers.

      Is this what the internet is coming to?

      • John Doe

        Not a double post. Disquis won’t let you edit. Had to fix some grammatical issues.

        Digital Millenium COPYRIGHT Act. That’s what I referenced. They are worried about being qualified for ‘safe harbor’ status – all it says is reasonable methods and response to takedown requests. NOWHERE does it mandate Censorship-Bot 5000 bullshit like this.

        • GR138Legend

          Not arguing, it’s why I ref’d fear mongering.
          Also the edit button it to the left of the reply button. :) See above.

  • Herlig

    R.I.P. Twitch, when valve, riot and other move to another site, since their own music will be flagged on their own stream of their owned game+music…

  • Anomaly

    Everyone wants that piece of the pie. It’s amazing how quickly money can corrupt a vision. Money can even corrupt information.

    Artists, stop associating your art and your vision with the concept of money. You have a tool at your disposal in the internet that lets you reach the maximum number of people on the planet. Anyone with a connection can hear your message and when they experience it it becomes a part of their culture. Miles away, you can have an influence.

    You must realize how terrifying this is for some. It’s too late, the internet has already happened, and it is a one way street. These attempts to stuff the genie back in the bottle will not work, especially as more and more artists begin to understand that reaching people IS the “payment”. Adding to the culture IS the goal.

    When you block your art behind a pay wall you neuter your own ability to add to the collective. Only the smallest infinitesimal percent of people will experience your art, and your art, and all the work that went in to it all transform into nothing more than a piece of paper in your hand, for you. Contemplate that, abstractly…

    That small piece of paper is the payment you have received for giving up your right to compete with the architects of the media on even playing field. You already reach everyone on Earth. That is thousands of times more than they do behind their own pay wall. Money is the only thing holding you back. Money is the only thing preventing revolution in information.

  • Анатоли Йозов

    Bye bye twitch

  • Schipperz

    Looking at everything the past few days i guess the deal with google did not go down succesfully and now they are protecting themself in a few ways. Guess its a good thing protect yourself against DMCA requests and remove old data nobody watches really (in comparison to youtube)

  • Pork Eating Crusader

    TOP KlKES

  • James Tsividis

    Now I know why people hate Google

  • John Chorley

    Also worth noting is that no company has said we can’t stream their games, in fact they’ve all said we can, which means WE …. HAVE ….. PERMISSION! Hence its not illegal.

    • MundaneMatt

      You’re forgetting about licensing rights for the music. Not all music in the game is created by the developers. If they license music, then its for home use, and not for streaming. That is where the flaggint comes from.

  • inkBot

    Rise of the Twiggle.

  • Sirrael Tivvu

    u will kill my stream.. ty

  • GR138Legend

    Twitch has become twitchy about all the legal issues, even the imaginary ones…

    (Oh PUNish me for my puns!)

  • The Antique One

    but if i play music from my PC the stream will be affected by those changes ?

  • faraday

    Booooooooooooo!

  • iEatWoofers

    I’m fine with this. Most streamers listen to crap music anyway. But muting 30 minutes because of any copyrighted sound (even if it’s 10 seconds long or whatever) seems bad.

    And making it count for in-game-music and ambient sounds is just really stupid. You’re a streaming site for… GAMES. Of course game music will be playing in the background, people want to hear the game sounds after all. Do you want everyone to stream muted (except their mic)?? That is not appealing.

    I just don’t understand *why* you’re doing this. It should have been obvious that the community would not like this. So you’re generating a bunch of negativity just because you feel like it? I’d understand if you were required by law to do something like this.

    Also, scanning VODs retroactively sucks. Even if copyrighted music is playing, the streamer probably was still talking (at least a bit in 30 minutes), so you’re destroying the VOD. Why not just scan new VODs? Make a cut-off date and inform streamers beforehand?

    • Spanky

      Fuck you

  • Edmundo Carlos Verde

    To mute a whole 30 minute portion of someones video for only maybe 2-3 minutes of copyright is kind of dumb. For those that stream and want to by pass this ridiculous program when you stream, just save a copy of your video to your hard drive at the same time you’re streaming. OBS – Open Broadcaster Software is free to use and offers the “save to file” option in their broadcast settings. This way you can edit out the copyrighted portions yourself. Twitch, i thought you were better than this. This is a short term solution and is going to cause more problems than they fix. Twitch.tv might as well cut their server storage costs because after this implementation, i doubt people are going to utilize Twitch.tv’s past broadcasts as much.

  • Karl Johnson

    If this mutes the audio of a saved or vod stream of WoW because of in game (video game music) which Blizzard has no problems with, even the saved or vod stream, then Twitch is actually going contrary to logic.
    But honestly, I expect utter stupidity on their part after the purchase by Google/YouTube.

  • Spaacecore

    Goodbye Twitch

  • Taurinid

    bye twitch, you’ll be missed, I wouldn’t complain if the was a list of Audable Magic’s content that’s easy to find so i know what to avoid.

  • Silver
  • RipTwitchwelcomeothers

    Bye twitch welcome hitbox fuck u google+

  • Isak Samuel Edvardsson

    R.I.P Twitch

  • Dominika

    Twitch is R.I.P.

  • Dominika

    Google,cancel this change. FACEPALM

  • Elsidu

    lets all go to gaminglive.tv – it’s a brand new and even if it’s still in alpha, it works good and looks cooler ;)

  • Robbie

    #riptwitch

  • Daniel

    Thanks Google you’ve Fucked Twitch like you Fucked Youtube with your copyright Bullshit. My friends streams have been flagged cause of the Ingame music of Titanfall, That’s so Unfair! And Other games like battlefield and Last Of Us which my friend streamed because of the soundtrack to the game. What do you want us to do Mute the Game and make it much more boring for all of us.
    Thanks Google for Fucking Everybody’s Lives Again.

  • THU31

    Facepalm of the year, so far. Congratulations.

  • Alexey Storozhilov

    Soon we are waiting for poor design and the eternal problem with servers. Well done Google.

  • Александр Беспалов

    Goodbye Twitch and FU with your stupid updates) U mute videos where I listen FM radiostations or youtube clips and music who FREE FOR ALL.

  • Fucking done

    Fuck this everyone to something anything else MLG is better than twitch now :’(

  • disqus_Y98c7rE9iQ

    I hope the most twitch-streamer will leave twitc

  • pressstin

    fuck google and now fuck twitch, see you guys on Hitbox or Ustream

  • Galopa WXY

    Less and less Internet freedom

  • Benjamin Ⓥ

    I honestly understand why this had to be done. Wether some people may think of the music industry being the scum of the entire media business or twitch being googlefied – everybody has seen this coming.

    Never the less I think twitch.tv AND the music companies have by far missed an opportunity to keep the status quo at least to some degree and make everyone happy at the same time.

    Why not giving the streamer the possibility to pay a kind of one-time fee per video in order to keep copyrighted music in the VOD section of his channel? In addition to that making it neccessary to link the artist/ music label/ music company in the stream/ channel.

    This would make sure that streamers can keep up their typical streaming atmosphere and image while the industry gets some money and can be sure that their music gets ongoing promotion. Not only that – it would also clean up the companies image being greedy vultures a btit while streamers aren’t looked at as if they where music pirates.

    As it stands right now it just shows that a lot of streamers, the people behind twitch and the music companies still seem to be nothing more than spoiled children that don’t want to let the others play with their stuff. Upgrown and serious businesses would have come together figuring out how to make the most out of it for both sides.

  • Rocket

    Say goodbye to your business, dumbasses. Everyone’s already discussing what new video streaming service to move to.

    Why would anyone use Twitch now, when Youtube also has live streaming? Your only advantage prior to this point was that you didn’t block this content.

  • Niklas Starow

    Rename Twitch to twats

  • Aku Buckbee

    Just stupid. How will we listen to commentaries? Unbelieaveble, hope we get some competition ASAP, this is just ridiculous.

    • H4mm4r3

      I see a bright future for hitbox.tv :)

  • Daniel Mullen

    Well done Twitch. You really know how to kill your website in one fel swoop. You were always really good with this stuff, but now you’ve gone and taken the Google route. This is not acceptable!

  • sasa

    Why? Are these VOD’s being sold to anyone? No. Is it illegal to stream music and then store the part of the stream – with music in it – for (now) a limited time? No.

  • Harakiri Tabasco

    Since you want to hear our feedback here it is:
    I just closed my account.

  • 張倉瑜(ベナション)（RogerCH）

    my OSU’s VOD…………MUTED??WT??!?!?!……

  • Anonymous

    It was only a matter of time before Google started messing things up. Inb4 they start muting live streams.

  • bo00o0m

    IMO the best thing we can do right now to strike back at Google is what they fear the most: a mass exodus into other streaming service.

    This will mean for them that not only the initial purpose of the Twitch acquisition would have failed (squash Youtube competition by assimilation) but also that they will have just thrown $1 bil at Twitch CEO or shareholders in vain.

    Twitch CEO or shareholders will not suffer at all with this business collapse because they are supposedly already paid. The people that will take the hit are as always the company’s staff who will have to get new jobs somewhere else, jobs which they could well find at the new service we migrate to when they start hiring in mass like Twitch did upon its massive growth.

  • joeblow25000

    You’ve just killed twitch. GG google.

  • RibShark

    ＲＥＭＯＶＥ ＧＯＯＧＬＥ

  • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

    Why is everyone blaming Google?
    Google has not bought Twitch!

    • Anonymous

      Yes they have.

      • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

        Source? Or else it didn’t happen!

        • Ijiin
          • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

            That’s a RUMOR! that “internal source” which “confirmed” it, could have been me…

            Never believe a statement when an “internal” or “trustworthy” source is involved!

          • Ijiin

            you’ve never experienced a rumor to be true before ? I’m not out to pick fights with people here. I’m just handing out the information avaiable at the current time. And it wouldn’t supprise me that they have bought up twitch. that’s all.

          • neoatg

            It’s done Google or at least Youtube owns twitch this wave of changes is proof of that. Google is getting the changes out of the way letting the PR nightmare happen, die down, then officially announce. This Is quite common in the business world and it’s done to try and prevent backlash against the new parent company.

            If anyone tells you other wise about youtube/google owning twitch they are ether a pr support rep or drowning in false hope.

          • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

            “if anyone tells you other wise” is dumb blah blah blah
            illogical statement…

          • neoatg

            In a few weeks when the pr nightmare dies down as they always do they will make the announcement. This is not new it’s been a clear pattern for a long time now. Willfully ignoring it has no purpose. Its honestly just silly to continue to hope that you tube hasn’t bought twitch.

          • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

            these rumors exist since the beginning of 2014. If it were real, it would have been already confirmed!

    • Spanky

      Derp

      • http://www.free-clan.org/ NHLfan

        uhhh, how harsh!

  • Gordon Hollingworth

    And now is the time for a new start-up to replace twitch. Google is (potentially) effectively killing a service we ll love. Twitch you were a great service but ultimately sold out to ‘da man’. Seeya……

  • Gordon Hollingworth

    Don’t accept the offer from Google or RIOT!!!!

  • UnicornDev

    where do you go to unblock your content? I listen to my music through spotify and i pay for the right to do so… Does that mean i am unjustly being muted in all of my videos? Who do we contact for this?

  • http://deaconross.com Deekman

    This is just the worst. Do you guys even feel bad about this? You should.

  • http://deaconross.com Deekman

    What about people who stream games with music in them? I can’t wait until GTAV releases on PS4 and we see exactly what’s up.

    • Fleet Admiral Josh

      yeah, one is probably just going to have to turn off the radio in GTA V. They have used a large large hammer to implement this. It seems like beyond anything that YouTube is doing, at least with how big of a hammer they’re using (for those blaming Google).

      I mean – giving us zero chance to export our stuff before everything gets muted? REALLY?

    • bo00o0m

      it’ll just get muted like any other game’s music. they are muting every VOD that has either artist or in-game music played on them

  • camo

    How can we get round this? E.g can we purchase licenses to play copyrighted music from music publishing socieities?

    • Labargoth

      Purchasing would be the wrong way. You would need some illegal way to get around that, so it hurts Twitch, but sadly there is none.

  • Gordon Hollingworth

    Are Twitch really so oblivious to their user base or are they so obsessed with Google’s Billions that they basically take a large dump on us all?

  • @Spinal_spriest

    If Twitch really wanted to deal with this, they would provide alternatives for getting music into streams. ie. Partner with Grooveshark and build a plugin

    Better exposure for the artist in a controlled way. Grooveshark can have their logo watermarked on twitch with links. Everyone gets their music.

    Drops the mic.

  • MysticShadow

    F*ck Google they ruin everything first YouTube now Twitch
    Goodbye Twitch ;(

  • sushibandit

    I hope the check google wrote you had enough zeros to let you sleep well with the knowledge that you just signed the execution order for your own platform. Congrats on failing to understand why people started using Twitch in the first place.

    • H4mm4r3

      a “few” of us didnt choose twitch, some of us were forced to twitch when justin.tv changed the gaming section to twitch.tv

  • Aaron Haynes

    I’m not sure why Twitch feels it’s necessary to start content filtering, and this blog post doesn’t make any explicit case for it, which sort of leaves it up to us to supply our own reasoning. I could be wrong, but I haven’t heard about any legal challenges or DMCA requests from game publishers or record companies. The choice to start doing this voluntarily, given what a mess content ID filtering is on youtube (and given how inaccurate Audible’s system is) is bizarre and disappointing.

    It’s bad enough on principle IMO, but the implementation is even worse, silencing 30-minute blocks for anything that turns up in the database. This policy requires Twitch users to file challenges for every highlight the filter catches. The system is designed to automatically consider every flagged ID a copyright violation until proven otherwise, which is the opposite of how sane copyright challenges should be.

    The logic behind this bulldozer approach is even more inexplicable when you consider the purpose of Twitch as a video game streaming platform. Most muted highlights so far are of in-game audio caught by the content ID filter. Currently, the only practical way to avoid being filtered is to mute all game sound when broadcasting. When this policy was put into place, did Twitch staff really not realize this is what it was going to look like?

    The system in its current form renders the highlight feature virtually unusable. It’s hard to imagine a version of automatic content ID filtering that wouldn’t. And it’s equally hard to imagine the reasoning behind implementing something like this voluntarily. If the goal is to prevent meaningful copyright infringement, the kinds of things you want to stop are users highlighting broadcasts of licensed music on its own, right?

    How many instances of this have actually taken place? I’ve never even heard of it happening once, much less enough times (and with enough pageviews) to necessitate a system like this. 99.99% of what this blocks is completely benign and in no way a meaningful loss of revenue for the copyright holders, even when taken in aggregate. It’s an awful idea and it would be very difficult to implement it worse than in its current form.

  • Brent Thompson

    Terrible. Terrible idea. Already have instances of this making huge mistakes.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2cvasc/tsm_odd_one_vod_muted_for_copyright_claim_on/

  • Daniel Mildren

    What really gets me here is that I play music on spotify while I play games; that means I’m streaming on my gameplay music that is freely available to anyone at any time on the internet.

    • Rorison Meadows

      blame copyright law

  • lukad

    Go fuck yourself :)

  • ss

    Now I know why they needed to remove save forever options due to needing more storage, so they can analyze the audio.

  • magicman

    And…. Yeah you can fuck off right now

  • bo00o0m
    • Rorison Meadows

      Until hitbox just gets pressured into doing the same thing. You’re not paying attention, are you?

  • Alexander Klaman
  • Twitzh

    That bullshit, if u have a snip that tells people what you’re listening at and giving creds to the makers, shouldn’t really be a problem.

    • Ijiin

      Agreed. Personally i use spotify premium wich i pay for. but most countries has access to spotify now for free if you don’t mind ads once a while between songs.

      And i have a now playing in my stream. also linking to my spotify, and if you click them you get directed to a signup page if you wanna listen to the songs i play without game sounds and me talking over songs.

  • #Bandeh!

    That’s me leaving Twitch. Hello Hitbox.

  • http://nope.com n1ckuzzz

    gg, was fun years, Kappa.

  • RenKo

    Even people, like IreliaCarriesU, who doesn’t use music is muted!!!!!!! WTF TWITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • BeerHuntor

    RIP twitch. You should never of even thought about a google buy out. You will go down hill just like youtube has done. It hasnt made the platform better, just worse and as a result many youtubers came to twitch, and because of this, they will go elsewhere.

  • DeWet Lombard-Bovéy

    I use NCS music on all my vods, and all my vods have been muted where I am playing music. WTF…… its No Copyright Sounds….. lol
    BTW twitch. you brilliant people. You muted Valves vods, because it was playing dota 2 music…. huh.

  • David Atwell

    ContentID is fundamentally broken, and the appeals process is even worse. It made me immensely frustrated with YouTube, and now I’m more than a little frustrated that Twitch is following suit. ContentID needs to die until it can be made reliable, or music can be pre-emptively authorized through the system to prevent scans.

  • person

    Oh well, nice while it lasted, take care Twitch.

  • Catlin Ashenfelter

    Anyone who is considering defending the actions taken by Twitch here should consider this as well; any DMCA counter-notice filed as a result of this automatic flagging cannot be acted upon for 10 days, thanks to the wording of the DMCA. Twitch now only stores VODs for 14 days unless you’re a partner or Turbo user. There has been no indication that VODs wrongfully flagged would receive extended time upon receipt of a counter-notice.

    By the time you might file a DMCA counter-notice, it’s already not worth exposing yourself to legal action.

  • http://snintendogbored.blogspot.com/ snintendog

    Google smash Google destroy Google Hungry! R.I.P twitch it was nice knowing you and what a horrible way for you to leave this world Being eaten by Google. Google Boycott in full effect for me Switching to bing using firefox or palemoon adblocking google owned sites and fully black listing G+.

  • Eckhunter

    hitbox wins…gg twitch, was fun times

  • http://www.irobotgaming.com/ iRobotGaming

    it has Begun, Google is here to ruin Twitch

  • Jiří Široký

    And what about playlist on youtube??

  • Jiří Široký

    BTW now I officially stopped watching twitch streams cya nabs! (I mean google staff are nabs)

  • shizzlebizzfizz

    I think it all comes down to old business men who are horribly out of touch with today’s society and think having music played in a stream is bad and it make them lose money when it does not.

  • Fatal1ty_93_RUS

    Rest in Peace, Twitch. You will never be forgotten

  • neoatg

    The fundamental problem here is the use a a new and flawed system all for the sake of finalizing the Google deal and having a 3rd party contractor to pass the blame too when they mess up. Such a motivation can only lead to a pr nightmare.

    Content ID systems Take all the burden of proof off the people making claims(corporations/assumed copyright holders) and places it onto the back of the people who are being accused. Our Justice system doesn’t work this way and No reasonable system ever should. Before an arrest can be made they must have reasonable evidence before action(fines, prison) can be taken such claims have to be proven, and DMCAs should be no different. If twitch Is going to start Flagging in game music while acting as a Gaming streaming service; they have to have a high standard for such claims being made . Such a standard where the Assumed copyright holder has to do more then just claim they own [insert here], they are the ones that need to show it’s not being used under fair use or in proper game play. Instead what this system does is make it where anyone claiming even falsely so that they represent a copyright holder can get anything taken down. As seen with the DOTA2 mutes.

    Such a system can not be seen as fair or reasonable under any realistic standard and will just cause the same backlash as seen on youtube. Which in the end will be pointless as with any automated system there will quickly be found work arounds. Be they tone shifts with the music or other creative ways to get around the system.

  • Peter Thomas

    So, here’s my thoughts on the audio muting:

    For the broadcasts that are going to be deleted anyway – This just seems silly. For people who live in timezones where they cannot always catch the streamer live, the VODs are the ONLY way they can find out if they like a streamer after the fact is through that service. People who stream mostly Nintendo content, who flags pretty much all of their property, are going to have completely muted VODs. This issue is compounded by the fact that the mute applies to not only the game audio, but the streamer themselves. Part of the experience of watching a Let’s Play, or a streamer, is that audio that goes with the sound. Furthermore, this removes one of the reasons for having a subscription to those folks. No one wants to pay for videos that are just silent movies.

    For the highlights that are saved forever/uploaded to YouTube – If the video is ever cut for a highlight to either be stored forever and/or highlighted for YouTube, then it completely makes sense to block copyrighted audio. I still feel the actual mute is too strong but we could always use local recordings and edit ourselves. Even YouTube gives us the ability to only mute game sounds (sometimes) while leaving our voices in tact.

    I get why the 30 minute blocks are used, but it again presents challenges in and of itself. I may be overlooking some things here, but from having some of my videos already being flagged, and looking around at others, this is the conclusion that I’ve come to so far. Is there anything I am missing?

  • Leon Wolfeson

    …And you’ve flagged some of my stuff which had no music. For that matter, it didn’t have the music playing in-game either, so you’ve found what, game sounds?

    Okay, fine. *pulls everything down*.

    Won’t be using you now. Happy?

  • Andy Darlington

    My Unturned VOD was muted due to another player using the in game VOIP to play music. Congratulations, Twitch, you’ve invented a new way for kids to streamsnipe and troll broadcasters.

    • neoatg

      New? It’s been a problem with content ID system since there 1st use. There no burden of proof requirement in most content id system. So just about anyone can use them to make claims for anything.

  • Jonas Bern

    The MAIN reason people are using Twitch instead of Youtube is BECAUSE of there was no copyright crap!, so u had the option to promote the games while playing.

    I mean how fun will it be for game developers etc. to get copyright striked for their own material in the future like YouTube… I Mean, there is even people who’s got copyright strike for using THEIR OWN VOICE. That’s patehic. #Fascism

  • player9

    R.I.P TWITCH.TV

  • Jonas Bern

    Video will be muted for 30 minutes??… beucase a intro/theme song that is 1-2min song ? WHAT?!

  • sugewhite

    Can I get some help with a direct link to this:

    Reddit AMA on /r/Twitch: Thursday, August 7, 10:30am PST

    Thanks

  • against capitalism and greed

    Say goodbye to your dreams of being a broadcaster and making money is a capitalist society.

  • Quiltfish .

    Hooray, now twitch users will have to endure endless false positives and outright false claims (I’ve seen a ton of cases where Kevin Mcleod’s music,which is very much free to use, is tagged as owned by one or even several unrelated big brands)

  • Adam R

    Thanks to very large amounts of user’s feedback on Twitch’s subreddit, the AMA will now be taking place on the third party and neutrally moderated /r/IAmA subreddit instead of Twitch’s own.

    You can find that here: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/

  • ZombieCZ

    R.I.P Twitch !! Welcolme Hitbox :) Stupid Google …

  • Paul Frolov

    RIP Twitch.
    Never forget.

  • Avi

    wait… so am i allowed to put songs in there if i have the name of the song on my stream?

    • Ijiin

      no

      • Avi

        aww

  • SFL Commissioner

    I have snippets of audio in my videos to transition into commercial breaks – 15 seconds, 30 seconds, 1 minute. In total of my two-hour games, I might have 4 minutes of audio from a third party, which I give credit for – and they advertise – through my videos on YouTube, even though I don’t have an official license to use. So is Twitch saying that basically, since that audio comes up every 30 minutes or so throughout the video, that all of my VOD’s are going to be audio blocked, since they are blocking 30 minutes off everytime they flag third party music, effectively destroying all of my history?

    If so, I think that’s ILLEGAL. Coming in and disrupting MY work of art for 30 minutes because someone else’s work of art is on my video for 30 seconds is BS! Please, someone tell me this isn’t true, and that I don’t need to export all my archived videos to YouTube immediately….

  • Karved

    People don’t understand that it’s not really going to affect anything. Twitch even stated that Youtube is better for VOD’s anyway, and that VOD’s on Twitch are just an added extra. Why is this such a big deal to everyone? Just keep streaming on Twitch (what the website was primarily designed to do, not make VOD’s) and upload the VOD’s or highlights to Youtube.

    People can be so blinded by their own arrogance it’s quite the hilarity.

    • Adam R

      Fun fact: The VOD highlights exported to YouTube will also be muted.

      • Karved

        How does that work? If the streamer/user exports the highlight/vod from their OBS/Xsplit recorded broadcasts then I don’t see how that will be scanned by Audible Magic, since the VOD itself is not from Twitch, it’s from OBS/Xsplit.

        I see where you are going, but there’s probably loopholes to get around this. Still, Youtube is the better option hands down in the long run anyhow because of it’s insanely large viewer base.

        • Adam R

          Sure, if they record it separately and simultaneously locally. But very few people do so. Twitch just made changes to their VOD system that makes it significantly easier to create highlights and export said highlights to Youtube without having to scrub through 2+ hours and 4GB of video locally. Oh, and wait until the stream is over until they can upload it. On Twitch you can do it within a few minutes of it being broadcast. So, they state that YouTube is better for highlights. They provide a very easy way to export highlights to YouTube and encourage users to use it. But then they mute the audio that goes to YouTube. Shouldn’t they let YouTube decide whether the content is unlicensed? (hint: It probably will be detected by ContentID, but that’s not the point)

          Additionally, the technology is already there to scan live streams and mute live audio. If this change stays in place, it’s only a matter of time before it extends to live streams unless Twitch stands their ground and doesn’t continue to cave to the music industry (which doesn’t include the artists themselves).

          • Karved

            Agreed. Either way, I don’t think Twitch will “die” because of this change. That said (and as you explained above), if it spreads to affect livestreams as well then the site will definitely have a hard time sustaining life.

            All in all I believe it was a good move, because copyright infringements aren’t anything to mess around with and they did a good job of fixing some of it without losing giving up too much.

  • healer56heal

    Goodbye,sweet Twitch. It was fun.

  • Lumicide

    How about if the software added a banner ad to the video where it identified the music that has the song’s name and where to buy it, and gives a tiny bit of revenue to the copyright holder, instead of just flatly muting the audio?

    • Karved

      Because some artists/bands may not approve of a streamer having their music on their VOD, which I don’t understand why they wouldn’t approve but nevertheless it happens.

      People are money hungry nowadays and they’ll do anything for it, so Twitch is taking measures to somewhat protect themselves.

      • Lumicide

        Hmm, then have my idea for the “okay” music, and mute it if it’s some weirdo who doesn’t like their music being distributed for some reason?

        • Adam R

          And this is exactly why the benefit of the doubt is given to the “infringer” under the DMCA and requires a very specific takedown notice from the copyright holder, and not a draconian algorithm. It prevents these situations where you have one party that agrees and one that doesn’t.

  • Mike

    have twitch ever heard of “FAIR USE” all of my past streams have been muted even the streams i dident play music on they still got muted.. this is no fun streaming with no music or in game music.. this is just stupid.. arrrrhhhhh… music = life, twitch do you not realize this. i think its time to stream else were

  • bo00o0m

    if you mute the VOD’s game audio and artist music because “copyright”, why not go ahead and blank the game video and user webcam feeds because “copyright and user privacy” too?
    Since you started to defeat the purpose of your own site might aswell doing integrally! Why just eat the potatoes when you can eat the whole meal?

    hitbox.tv here we come! looking forward the new free streaming gaming site boom!

    http://blog.hitbox.tv/the-monthly-guide-to-hitbox-updates-for-06-2014/

  • Devon

    Was this the result of any kind of pending legal action? or did you guys just decide to proactively ruin your service?

  • Killer_121232

    wow, biggest bullshit ive heard, with twitch partners they HAVE PERMISSION to play curtain song for the album artist, GG twitch, GG

  • Jakub Ozzy Šmejkal

    RIP

  • http://www.fake-realbatman.com RaMpAgE420

    But…i…i just made twitch….great…