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MODPOST: In response to the concerns about the AMA being on r/TwitchPSA (self.Twitch)

spla08Twitch.tv/ShannonZKiller[M] が 投稿 - stickied post

A few of us have already replied to the thread about this issue but we wish to make a formal announcement as well so everyone can see.

We, the moderators of /r/Twitch, understand that there is a concern regarding bias of moderation on the upcoming AMA with Emmett Shear, the CEO of Twitch, which is moving forward as scheduled (Thursday, August 7th, 10:30am PST/6:30pm BST). We wish to thank Emmett for taking the time to address the community and answer our questions! However, in light of recent events and considering the situation overall, we will NOT be moderating this AMA with our regular subreddit rules. Instead, only comments which break the following rules will be removed:

  1. Outright threatening or abusive comments.

  2. Outing of private information (Also known as Doxxing)

  3. Copy pasted messages/Spam.

  4. NSFW/Porn stuff.

Essentially, simply stick to the Rules of Reddit and you'll be fine.

If, at the end of this AMA, there are any doubts in regards to the moderator bias of this post, we will go ahead and post full logs of the subreddit moderation log for the AMA. We wish to ensure this is an independent community run by the community and Twitch support our efforts.

Happy asking, everyone!

Best wishes

The /r/Twitch Moderator Team

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[–]Philonoob 185 ポイント186 ポイント

meh, nobody will take it seriously on this sub. Have fun with damage control and rest in pieces.

[–]sbounder 44 ポイント45 ポイント

Rip in pepperino.

[–]zerojustice315 17 ポイント18 ポイント

Oh we get a shot at telling Twitch what we think is wrong?

Oh it's not going to do anything because it's on an (essentially) Twitch controlled subreddit?

Seems legit.

[–]stichomythia 7 ポイント8 ポイント

If anyone takes the things said in this AMA seriously, it will likely be a few people in the comms & marketing team. They'll present maybe a report saying "our customers were not happy with this decision" and it will flotsam its way around middle management and a few important people might shrug a shoulder at all the vocal malignity. It won't matter ultimately.

What will matter is people leaving in droves. Cold, hard numbers. And, at least for my part, I am happy to be someone who is cutting Twitch out of his life now. I'm not part of the naïve crowd who didn't see this coming; rather, it is simply a confirmation of a suspicion I've had for awhile. The big things always become part of the big mercantile machine. It was fun while it lasted though!

[–]Getintothegame#removegoogle 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Agreed. As someone who works for a business, I now understand why it is so dangerous for that business to moderate their own sub - they can censor the posts, information, all of it.

[–]somerandommember 90 ポイント91 ポイント

It'll probably just be a bunch of canned responses anyway. I'll be surprised if we learn anything resembling the truth today.

[–]Lou_Choutwitch.tv/Lou_Chou 28 ポイント29 ポイント

Of course. It'll be half-truths that shut people up, but don't give the complete picture.

I mean, come on, we all saw that blog post about the muting. They implemented muting to "help broadcasters." Of course they did. I was crying out for that feature, personally. Thank the good lord, they saved us from ourselves.

[–]RbdJellyfish 7 ポイント8 ポイント

I was crying out for that feature, personally. Thank the good lord, they saved us from ourselves.

I almost feel like you're going to get quoted out of context on that.

[–]shartmobile 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Carefully-worded politician-like soundbites incoming.

[–]iggydota 30 ポイント31 ポイント

So you do not trust the moderation of others. Can you just announce that the Google purchase is official and we can all just leave the site and get on with our lives?

"We wish to ensure this is an independent community run by the community" You just ignored the community--they've asked to host it somewhere where you cannot easily manipulate the situation into what you want people to hear...this is what the Google is REALLY good at btw...look at what they do in China!

[–]DavidRoyman 30 ポイント31 ポイント

Why not do that the easy way and use /r/AMA ?

[–]MazInger-Z 28 ポイント29 ポイント

It's /r/IAMA and because they've at least got half a hope in Hell of being able to control the messaging. My guess is that they couldn't get the mods of /r/IAMA to play ball.

[–]KrabbHDtwitch.tv/krabbg -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

/r/AMA is a good sub to post it to too.

[–]MrWats0n 0 ポイント1 ポイント

/r/IAmA 6'000'000 readers

/r/AMA 70'000 readers

/r/Twitch 12'000 readers

The choice seems obvious as to where you should post it if you wanted to reach as many people as possible.

[–]rolexa943 6 ポイント7 ポイント

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give audio ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

[–]Mokumer 41 ポイント42 ポイント

Just the fact alone that one can not downvote on this subreddit makes this whole AMA on here a joke.

Twitch must think that reddit users are stupid or something, it shows disrespect for this medium and its users from the start.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 18 ポイント19 ポイント

Nothing prevents you from actually downvoting. It's all just CSS that hides the down-arrow.

[–]MazInger-Z -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

You need to work around it. It's a hurdle put there to discourage it. A cautionary tooltip would function better.

[–]ooPo 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Turn off the CSS for this subreddit and you'll be able to downvote as usual.

[–]cheesepuff18 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Press Z

[–]Matthais 8 ポイント9 ポイント

You can downvote with RES installed and opting not to use the subreddit style, although clearly that's not as open as it should be.

[–]Mokumer 18 ポイント19 ポイント

It is against the whole philosophy of REDDIT. WTF are they doing on here when they can't even respect the format of this site?

Edit; You can also downvote by going to a user's profile and do it from there, but that's not the point, and this AMA should be done on r/AMA.

[–]Tehpolecataplis 12 ポイント13 ポイント

press "z"

[–]ZeNublet 0 ポイント1 ポイント

My hero.

[–]Matthais 4 ポイント5 ポイント

If you downvote it via the users profile it doesn't count. It's to discourage people going through and downvoting an user's entire comment history.

[–]chironomidae 0 ポイント1 ポイント

RES isn't needed, there's an option in basic redder to disable subreddit styles

[–]DarkL1te 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Copy pasted messages/Spam.

Could you clarify this? If someone asks a legitimate question and gets no response, will any reposts of the question be deleted?

For example: if someone was to ask a question regarding the recent stream audio takedowns and Twitch ignored them, would it be forbidden to repeat the question to try and get an answer?

[–]spla08Twitch.tv/ShannonZKiller[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

http://i.imgur.com/KfSL4ph.png - spam example

Spam is removed because it makes the thread much harder to sift through to find actual comments/questions.

[–]whackinghailhitbox > twitch 2 ポイント3 ポイント

You realize its just going to be that, right? Theres gonna be hardly any questions to "sift through".

[–]KanthesFriendly Twitch Admin -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

That is exactly why we will be removing spam like shown in the image above.

[–]ja_gern 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Why?

[–]Getintothegame#removegoogle 0 ポイント1 ポイント

So you can ignore what most of your users want?

[–]KanthesFriendly Twitch Admin[M] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

Asking the same question repeatedly is totally fine, just don't copy entire posts letter by letter!

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    [–]Tehpolecataplis 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    which part do you not get, the quesitons can be simillar, just don't copy paste the whole message

    [–]A_Mouse_In_Da_HouseTwitch.tv/quantumspace 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    Which part do you not get, the quesitons can be simillar, just don't copy page the whole message1.

    [–]SamWhite 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    Which párt do you nøt get, the queries can be similar, jüst don't copypasta the whole massage.

    [–]ja_gern 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Which párt do you nøt get, the queries can be similar, jüst don't copypasta the whole massagerino.

    [–]DrDohvakiin 14 ポイント15 ポイント

    I'm very confused why you are refusing to allow the AMA onto /r/IAmA

    u scared m8?

    [–]Nicozyffs 5 ポイント6 ポイント

    Disgraceful.

    [–]azncuteo 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    We wish to ensure this is an independent community run by the "community". Kappa

    [–]Phrygen 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    This is a joke right?

    You basically canceled the AMA and are doing a infomercial instead.

    [–]Beau_Monde 7 ポイント8 ポイント

    Can't wait for this AMA

    [–]Andis1twitch.tv/AisforANDIS 8 ポイント9 ポイント

    Considering Emmet Shear has previously done an AMA on /r/iAMA I don't see any reason why this should be handled on this subreddit.

    Also, good to see you will not censoring negative opinions on the AMA, just all of the other threads.

    [–]anthraxtampax 9 ポイント10 ポイント

    ‎͡◕ ͜ ʖ ͡◕ rip in pepperoni ‎͡◕ ͜ ʖ ͡◕

    [–]PrinceofNamibia 5 ポイント6 ポイント

    i sincerly hope you go bankrupt for what might be one of the worst business moves ever.

    [–]VanirWT 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    wtf whats wrong with having an ama on IAMA where pretty much EVERYONE has their AMA on?? gg twitch rip

    [–]Udub 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    I don't get why there's even an ama. What do you think the twitch staff is gonna do? Say they're sorry but their hands are tied? That's all they can do.

    Its a publicity stunt that won't work. Rip twitch.

    [–]brian27610 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    New to this sub, guys let's be respectful to the MODS here, they have no part in what google is doing. They're here to make our experience better.

    Posting pointless crap only creates more work, be logical in what you're posting...

    [–]Frostiken 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    You have been made moderator of /r/Pyongyang.

    [–]Deressi 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    "Abusive comments" can easily be interpreted in your favor.

    [–]Computer-Blue 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    "Why not use r/iama?"

    "Emmett said so, and he's not here right now so yeah. We're gonna keep it in-house so we can make sure the users are able to communicate with twitch properly. But we'll use a special set of rules! They're better than the rules in the subreddit dedicated specifically for this activity. Trust us. Not because we said so... We're really not saying shit."

    Is this really happening? I've read about 100 comments in here and I can't find one single reason or justification for not allowing the actual r/iama subreddit to manage this.

    And how the FUCK is it not OUTRIGHT stated that there is a potential conflict of interest vis-a-vis moderation? Why do I need to scroll through so many comments to discover that the twitch admins are in control of the twitch subreddit? Can someone even confirm this to be true? Extremely shady.

    Truly surreal. Heaven help you if reddit smells astroturf. Considering the answer to why it's being held here is a tautology ("we want to host it here, in light of our new policy of hosting things here"), I hope you understand why people are not feeling much trust.

    [–]IKWerewolf 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    There is a real issue of trust here SharonZKiller, you've done something that is making you look like the enemy... the damage is done.

    The problem is the methods being used by major players in the Music Industry are draconian at best. The question is how long it will take before they do damage to the industry by not talking to people.

    Can it be repaired... I can't actually say, it depends on how many concessions you make to help make it better and counter the effects.

    [–]LMwikiTFY 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    Hey mods, just he careful not to get banned for vote manipulation, yeah? Controlling what appears to the reader is also against reddit rules

    [–]Gearsofhalowarfare -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

    Um, no it's not...

    Unless they're voting using multiple accounts or coordinating their voting then they're not breaking any rules.

    [–]DrDohvakiin 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    vote manipulation and brigading are very much against the rules, ask /u/Jackdaw

    Edit: woops, I meant /u/Unidan silly me

    [–]Gearsofhalowarfare -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    I know. That's what I said.

    Unless they're voting using multiple accounts or coordinating their voting then they're not breaking any rules.

    [–]DrDohvakiin 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    I read that wrong, my apologies. We'll just see how the AMA goes...

    [–]Gearsofhalowarfare 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    I can only see it going one of two ways.

    1. Horribly copy-paste responses from Twitch. Nobody leaves satisfied, everyone is still just as irritated but does nothing anyway... cause it's the internet.

    2. Select questions are answered, leaving the important shit to be unanswered and everyone leaves annoyed too.

    This is a lose-lose situation for everyone, unless Twitch actually turns out and does something good.

    [–]DrDohvakiin 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Why don't we just hire /u/karmanaut

    But really, that is the only way I'm gonna see it, pre selected questions and spam and everyone is gonna be unsatisfied by this AMA, especially when everyone is being muted for just having music in game. We'll just see shrug

    [–]mattiejj 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    everyone is Karmanaut.

    [–]Brawli55Twitch.TV/overboredgaming 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    I'm satisfied. Thank you.

    [–]LocalMadman 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    So you just want to ruin the AMA before it begins? Ok, that's cool.

    I mean, aren't twitch admins mods in this subreddit?

    [–]keddren -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    Twitch admins are not twitch employees.

    (Yes, the terminology sucks)

    [–]Taskone 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    I un-subbed from Twitch today :) I wish real votes mattered as much as voting with ones wallet does.

    [–]lumenationhitbox.tv/lumenation 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    I think the most watched video of the day is going to be a refresh of this thread on hitbox.tv and uploaded to youtube.com with 1 second intervals of copyrighted music playing the whole time.

    [–]Kurp 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Ok, but why are you not using the proper way?

    [–]kimhari 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Yeah right. i.imgur.com/gkebqEO.png

    [–]mrcyanide1337 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Thanks guys :) If there's one thing the internet hates, it's censorship.

    [–]andexs 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Twitch - go to fucking bat! I understand it's a business thing - but seriously you'll never make change / get ahead without any balls.

    [–]Solitairee 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Why use these rules, why cant you simply listen to the people and do it on another sub reddit. This shows us already that none of our views will be listened to anyway

    [–]Zangin -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    It's most likely not being posted on /r/IAmA because they want to have the AMA focused on the music copyright issue. If it was on /r/IAmA, then for every legitimate question about this issue there would be ten from people who have likely never even used twitch before about the site in general.

    [–]Shugbug1986 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    I honestly hope this isn't the nuke that the crunchyroll ama was. Hell, I hope its the reverse and we see entitled shitstains getting straight up roasted for thinking twitch should simply sit there and take on relentless lawsuit after lawsuit for copyright. But I doubt its going to be civil. Itll just be a circlejerk of twitch memes, "y u skared tho?" And retarded questions that are loaded or slanted to fuck with the CEO.

    [–]Longshottewww.hitbox.tv/Longshotte 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Rest in fucking peace Twitch. It's honestly absurd that you want to 'help the community' when the community has been telling you to host this somewhere else, yet you still insist on having it here. Can't wait to see the shithole that'll be the AMA.

    [–]alive442 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

    I cant believe people are really this dumb. Twitch and its staff have been nothing but great the last couple of years, ask any streamer. The VOD thing is forced by people like the RIAA, Twitch has to do this otherwise the RIAA would go after streamers that had copyrighted music and twitch was probably approached about it.

    [–]samacora 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    You mean the twitch staff that are being sold to google and therefore dont mean shit anymore as their way of thinking and policys no longer exist as google has shown with this content id will implement its own agenda regardless of how things used to be, waves at youtube.

    Such bad logic hey guys ignore the shit thats happening cause of the google buyout and simply hope that the old staff mentality and policy's will somehow magically continue under a new owner that has never done that before..../s

    [–]alive442 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

    Why would any company WANT a content id system? It costs money to develop and damages the userbase. This isnt something twitch wants to do and has nothing to do with google.

    [–]samacora 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    riiiiiight so its just some weird coincidence that during big rumors of a buy out by google twitch quickly implements the most DIY idcontent it can. Nothing to do with the company who has implemented the same policy's in every company they bought?

    Your saying that this must have been iira nagging them for ages, ok if thats true brings us back to the 1)out of nowehre 2)Rushed implementation like it was done to tick a box on a sales agreement rather than an ongoing issue with iira

    [–]alive442 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

    Or the sale fell through and now twitch is on its own to develop a content id system.

    [–]samacora 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    That makes even less sense

    [–]alive442 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Also why the fuck would twitch make its own when googles is already functional? Thats a huge waste of money.

    [–]samacora 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    or just buy into one of the ones out there

    [–]alive442 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

    What doesnt make sense is believing an article thats on an unreputable website with an unknown source. Every website quotes a single article that has an unlisted source.

    [–]samacora 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Im not believing a random article im looking at all the evidence given and all the evidence given points to twitch selling out.

    why are you even discussing this the way you are if your argument is the source is lying in the first place?

    [–]alive442 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    What evidence? Twitch making implementing a content id system? The VOD storage changes? What else?

    Arguing what way? That i think Twitch was right to implement the id system? That the twitch/google deal doesnt exist until either says its happening? That 80% of this subreddit is throwing a tantrum over VODs that a minority actually use?

    Twitch has been nothing but amazing over the last few years and this one rumor and one change makes people want to leave?

    The content id system is required at this point to avoid endless lawsuits. The changes were made probably to help the id system more efficient and not destroy the twitch servers and if not some other good reason im sure.

    [–]samacora 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Dude if you think twitch was amazing over the last few years i honestly dont know what site you have been using, twitch has simply survived where others died stupidly. Twitch has lagged every main events for like 3 years solid, with alot of streams unviewable to the european audience even though the event would be in europe, only recently have we been seeing improvements.

    Clearly ive stumbled across a twitch fanboy that would rather argue than discuss as such

    bye

    [–]keddren 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    The alternative is being sued into oblivion.

    [–]alive442 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Exactly the content id system is a requirement at this point to prevent being sued.

    [–]PuroYO 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    My feedback to twitch even if you remove it: fuck you.

    [–]AntiDrama -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

    if its all about copyrights, why dont u use Youtube's way of dealing with copyrights?