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[–]EricJ172L 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 1 日 前
Our CSO specifically told us to wear black suits. Should I really disregard their advice?
[–]atonyatlawEsq. 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 日 前
Absolutely disregard that. Black suits are for funerals or power. You aren't dead, neither is the guy you're talking to, and you sure as hell don't have the power and better not act like it.
[–]SisterRayVU1L[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 日 前
Are you in the United States? If so, yes. They're fucking idiots who are giving you literally, indisputably bad advice. Will someone ding you for wearing black? Probably not, but it's a lot more noticeable than everything else I said really doesn't matter.
Don't wear a black suit. Period. Charcoal is as dark as you can go.
[–]EricJ172L 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 日 前
Fair enough. I own a navy suit as well so it's no big deal. I like the way it fits better too.
[–]steel_shot 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 日 前
As if you are getting downvoted. Someone who wears a black suit to an interview looks ridiculous. Not to mention fluorescents give it a green hue. Like you said, it's a simple rule and just screams that person doesn't know the dress rules. It's almost as bad as buttoning every button on a suit.
[–]not_schrodingers_cat3L 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 日 前
I disagree with this statement vehemently. The problem with a black suit is wearing a white shirt and black tie with it (that is too formal). I've interviewed with employers from vault firms to the government to boutiques and solo shops wearing a black suit / pale colored shirt (blue usually) / and a matching tie. Largely, nobody cared, and several complimented me. The questions you should as are: 1) does my suit fit; 2) do I feel comfortable in it. Those are the questions that matter.
[–]ScipioAfricanvs 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 日 前
I definitely agree. A black suit can be super formal - but only if you want it that way. Colored shirts/ties go a long way.
[–]epgenius 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 13 時間 前
Adding to this intelligent person's thoughts, look at the other law students around you as well. A black suit doesn't work for someone who doesn't know how to wear a suit well. Half of your competition will show up in something cheap with a flamboyantly colored shirt (usually some horrible turquoise) and a black tie, or they'll be dressed like they did at their bar mitzvah in a navy 3 button suit (sometimes with fucking gold buttons) without an underlying, subtle pattern, a white button down, and a red or yellow conservative patterned tie more suitable for a fraternity pledge welcome mixer than a law interview. If you look good dressed up a bit more, if you can pull off a contemporary look, do it. The confidence you feel from looking good, as opposed to looking generic, will give you more than enough of a boost to get past the status quo. Set yourself apart by being you, and being comfortable with yourself.
[–]ScipioAfricanvs 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 6 時間 前
Well said.
[–]SisterRayVU1L[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 1 日 前
It's not formal. And it's not business appropriate. Your job is to buy the least offensive thing you can. It doesn't matter if you like black suits, think the "rule" against black suits is dumb, or think you look best in a black suit. It's one thing people will notice. And chances are you never saw a black suit in Big Law or in a professional setting but rather you saw a dark charcoal. There is a significant difference.
[–]iheartgtJD 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 日 前
No sane person thinks wearing a black suit (as long as you're not wearing a black tie) is unprofessional or offensive.
[–]yk_89 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 日 前*
For what it's worth, I summered at a Big Law firm in NYC this summer and black suits were a no-go. I didn't wear one because I think they are tacky, but another summer did and was quietly told not to by a partner. He was from California though, so I think he got a bit of a pass the first time. He also wore khakis on casual Friday.
It is all geography and firm-specific. A friend who was at MoFo in Palo Alto said he could wear jeans, a friend at Curtis Mallet in NYC said "casual" Friday was a suit without a tie. In general I wouldn't wear a black suit to NYC firms to be safe, but I'm sure it is actually fine at many of them.
It's not proper and it's not part of the uniform. Congratulations if you think you should go out of your way to not wear the uniform.
[–]iheartgtJD 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 日 前
Says the 1L with his vast experience in biglaw, or any law in general.
[–]SisterRayVU1L[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1 日 前
Rising 2L but why don't you feel like disputing what I said? Someone not involved in law can tell you this. And you do know there are 2L's who have SA'ed twice, right?
[–]The_Law_of_Pizza 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前
Actual attorney here.
I see black suits all the time. It's not as common as it used to be, but they're not at all uncommon.
You're fucking loony and are vastly overstating a current trend as a hard rule.
Ok.
[–]anti092L 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 日 前
You're absolutely right, and the downvoters are wrong. Black suits don't belong in the workplace and after working in three different firms, it seems that real lawyers rarely wear them.
[–]epgenius 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 14 時間 前
Black with a subtle pattern is fine. It's better to wear a black suit with an offset, traditional pattern (but colored) tie that you feel and look good in than to walk up in a getup that looks like you're coming from your bar mitzvah.
[–]SisterRayVU1L[S] -9 ポイント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント 1 日 前
Yeah dude, I don't think it makes a big deal but it's the one actual thing that people will notice that is bad. Your shoes are cheap loafers? Square toed? Bicycle stitched? Who gives a fuck; Big Law lawyers wear shitty shoes and shitty clothes. They don't wear black suits. Why? Because it's a very easy rule that everybody knows.
[–]Nesnesitelna2L 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 1 日 前
I think you vastly overstate how ubiquitous this "rule" is known and how rigorously it is applied. I would agree that navy and charcoal are the way to go (and I don't own a black suit), but it's not as flagrantly a fashion crime as you suggest.
[–]SisterRayVU1L[S] -7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 1 日 前
You're objectively wrong. Half of my OP is saying that most of the shit people care about is pointless, and to an extent suit color is too, but this isn't something where there is flexibility. Your one job with OCI dress is to not look out of place. If you wear black, you will.
[–]jammieswithbuttflaps 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 日 前
I actually give OCI interviews for a big law firm and you are overstating the case. I've never really noticed, nor have the partners I've gone with said anything.
[–]SisterRayVU1L[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 1 日 前
Sure, and I readily agree that 90% of this is needless and overstating the case. Nobody is going to see your shoes, or inspect your suit, and nobody can really tell. But you actually have to go out of your way to purchase a black suit. Out of all the "rules," it's probably the easiest to control for because it's not cheaper to buy the black suit as opposed to navy or darker greys.
[–]not_schrodingers_cat3L 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 日 前
I sat in an interview with three lawyers at a V10. Two were wearing black suits. If you don't look disheveled and the suit fits well, it truly does not matter.
[–]SisterRayVU1L[S] -6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 1 日 前
They almost assuredly weren't. They were wearing charcoal. If you put a black suit up against charcoal, you can tell the difference.
[–]Wojiz2L -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 1 日 前
I like how you're getting down votes for offering good advixe
I wish I knew why. Apparently one person is downvoting all my posts.
[–]Nesnesitelna2L 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 日 前
It's good advice, but I think you can see how someone might find posts calling a CSO "fucking idiots," categorically a little bit abrasive.
[–]SisterRayVU1L[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 日 前
If they're telling him to wear a black suit, they are fucking idiots.
[–]Wojiz2L 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 日 前
Totally agree. You're not a fucking idiot if you think black is okay in a business setting, that just means you're not on the up-and-up re: men's fashion in the US (which, let's be honest, a lot of men aren't)
On the other hand, if your job is to instruct law students on how to get a job and then you tell them specifically to wear black, you're a fucking idiot, or at least bad at your job.
[–]SisterRayVU1L[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 日 前
This. CSO should know better.
[–]noodleyone2L 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 日 前
Black suits are for funerals, so depending on where you go to school, your CSO may be correct.
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