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[–]sharesomefun 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Parents are scumbags because they took their child off of drugs?

The child isn't abnormal or at a disadvantage because his mind thinks differently. He's at a disadvantage because the school system has a restricted way of teaching that is incompatible with the way the child needs to learn.

Sure you're child can get good grades and go off to university, but he'll be a robot, and if he continues using the medication as an adult his real personality will be replaced by someone he is not.

Why can't you understand that it's not a disorder to be genuinely interested in other things than your teacher?

[–]Bettieb 10 ポイント11 ポイント

True, some meds may make that child or young adult robotic, but that's not alway the case. That could be do to over medicating or the persons body does not act well with that kind of med. There I so much more to ADHD then most people know. My son has ADHD and no way is he robotic. We work very close with our Doctor and counselor for my son. It is no longer the 80/90's. ADHD meds and treatment have come a long way.

[–]WrongCaptionBot -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

ADHD meds and treatment have come a long way.

Not really, the meds have always been exactly the same

[–]loco64 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

I have ADHD, took no medication, graduated with 3.6, went to college, work in film, make mad money. I'll wait for your reverberation.

[–]TheShadowKick 2 ポイント3 ポイント

It's almost like there's no treatment that works the same with every case, making doctors tailor treatment to each individual patient because different people will see different results.

But that'd be crazy. Clearly parents can just ignore their child's ADHD because you work in film.

[–]loco64 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I am so glad you agree with me, thanks!

[–]lexerlol 5 ポイント6 ポイント

It's not about interest. People with severe ADHD can't do the things they love, never mind school.

It manifests itself in school because what else does a kid do at that age that requires concentration and focus besides schoolwork?

[–]sharesomefun -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

But as an adult who went through school and was failed by an education system that is built for the work hard's (play later), I can understand that a child with adhd can be both smart and distracted. Its unfortunate that we have to medicate the kids to make them adequate for the public school system.

I prefer to believe we should find the strengths of who we are initially. Many of the medicated kids who find interests in things that aren't boring them may have well grown up to be interested in many things. Their minds scattered with abstract thoughts the average John and Jane struggle to comprehend.

Having an attention that is not focused on your teacher is not a disorder, only in their world where they need complete control of 30 young minds

[–]tempz77 4 ポイント5 ポイント

I have been taking meds since I was 10 or so. My ADD is so bad I can't even watch TV or a movie when I'm off my dexedrine. Before being diagnosed I saw probably half a dozen different doctors who all came to agreement on my diagnosis. Before that time I was the weird kid in class, I couldnt control my thoughts or my mouth. I was always in trouble and was headed down a dark road. I am so thankful that I have the parents I have and not someone like you. If you have kids and they have ADD problems, and I mean real problems not just one doctor prescription happy because your kid plays loudly, I hope to God you love them enough to pursue professional help or you could ruin their life before it even truly gets started.

[–]sharesomefun -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

*I hope to god you love your kids enough to drug them.

If my kids have attention problems I will see to it in a way that doesn't depend on a crutch.

[–]tempz77 3 ポイント4 ポイント

If you have a broken leg and you need to get around what do you use?

[–]sharesomefun -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

A physical crutch. In the way I used it its a metaphor. No one looks at people in crutches as being strong, and providing to society.

[–]tempz77 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Yeah we are all weak and don't provide anything to society. Fuck off, you ignorant troll.

[–]sharesomefun -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Trolling because I don't want kids on drugs.

[–]6210001000 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Are vaccines a crutch, too? What about kids with epilepsy? what about kids with diabetes? What about kids with PTSD? None of them need meds?

[–]lexerlol 3 ポイント4 ポイント

I don't think you understand. This is a mental illness. Like how some people are born with MODY? (Mature onset diabetes of the young). It's genetic.

People with ADHD continue to use medication because they need it to function at their job, not because they never followed their passion as a kid.

I can understand without proper education how someone might think that this isn't a real disorder, however, that style of thinking that you have is very harmful to people with serious conditions. Mental illness is a real thing. ADHD is not being distracted. It's the inability for the brain to focus on anything. Like you subconsciously tuning out the fan/whatever white noise you have in the background so you can concentrate on reading these words. They can't do that.

Drugs help, therapies help. Don't assume this entire platform was built on a fake disorder.

[–]DomDomRevolution 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The thing is ADHD does put you at a disadvantage. I have ADHD and after years of struggling with it, I recently got diagnosed. There were times I would try to do things I was genuinely interested in and just couldn't do it. I couldn't stay on task no matter how hard I tried. If you truly have ADHD, you realize how hard every day things become. People without ADHD take these things for granted. Your brains will filter out unnecessary information while people like me do not have that filter. I couldn't tell you how many times I'll move on a tangient and end up on Wikipedia reading about the history of doorknobs because I opened the door to my room to go do homework. With ADHD, there is no secondary information. Everything needs to be taken at a step by step process and we manually decide if it's important. And more often than not, you end up completely distracted and you're now 4 topics away from what you should be doing in the first place. ADHD is absolutely a disadvantage if not properly managed.

[–]sharesomefun -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I tried to make video games: failed

I tried to make art: failed

I tried to make music: failed

The list goes on forever. I may or may not have ADHD (not diagnosed) but it is my understanding most people aren't able to follow through with all their goals. ADHD, or lack of attention in boring things may well be a healthy dose of attention in things that interest you.

When we were cave men, it was people like you with 'ADHD' that would find the burning log and use it for its greater purpose. Now through medicine you ignore your distractions and focus on what you are told you should. Open your mind.

[–]Kishkyrie 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Now through medicine you ignore your distractions and focus on what you are told you should.

Well yes because focusing on those things earns me money. I'm pretty sure everyone who had a job has to ignore some distractions and focus on boring crap sometimes; the difference is the level of difficulty in doing so.

Incidentally, I wasn't able to focus on the novel-writing I love without the meds, either, if we're discussing high creative aspirations here.

[–]sharesomefun 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Distracted people can see outside the focus of the regular folk. Sure their are benefits for having everyone streamline their way through college and if the meds are so effective, why not give them to all the kids.

The biggest problem is we will lose generations of kids who think outside of the norm because that's where their minds are. We shouldn't placate a society and drug kids because that's where the jobs are. We should make a society that builds on the strengths we are inherent to.

[–]Kishkyrie 0 ポイント1 ポイント

why not give them to all the kids

Some kids have a different baseline. Consider a person who has a slight headache and a person passing a kidney stone: give them both morphine and the pain will be less for both, but the difference will be more significant for the kidney stone patient.

I agree with your latter point, though. We should structure our society to encourage and accept all natural strengths. Funnily enough, because I at least seemed to comply with societal norms in elementary school (quiet, did well on tests, usually not too combative), I never got an ADHD diagnosis until I hit my mid-twenties. They didn't care whether I listened to the teacher or not (I didn't at all) as long as I boosted their statistics and wasn't disruptive.

[–]DomDomRevolution 0 ポイント1 ポイント

With ADHD my mind is 100% open all the time. That's the problem. I found a career path that interests me. But in order to do that, I need to take the steps necessary to get there. No one is telling me I should be doing this. I'm doing it because I want to. The topics interest me, but for the life of me, I cant focus. If I want to reach my end goal, I need to take all the required steps. And that means good grades through college to go to med school.

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    [–]sharesomefun 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Bzzt- here is your homework; we require you complete it by the appropriate time; Bzzt- clean your ears; abstain from sexual encounters; Bzzt- do your work; play later BZZZZttttZZt

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      [–]sharesomefun 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      School doesn't benefit those who are able to understand at birth (aka smart). School is an average means of handling masses of people and teaching them basic knowledge (stuff that benefits us all to know) while teaching us and underlying method of obedience.

      Attention Deficit Disorder; an inability to keep order in the classroom because you are being ignored by someone who has better interests

      [–]jackadillo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Except that meds like adderall don't impact everyone the same or turn them all into robots for that matter.

      And being "genuinely interested in other things than your teacher?" I'm not sure that's what ADHD is all about, but okay...

      [–]sharesomefun -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      Its being distracted, and as someone whos teacher asked my parents to have me tested twice, I can empathize that being teachers are boring.

      [–]dryadofelysium 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      It's not that easy/matter of interests.

      Without medication, I can't do even the things that do interest me. There are articles that can be read in like 10 minutes and that I am super interested in and it took me months to do it.

      Also depending on the dosage you are not becoming a robot, but more aligned with the rest of society.

      [–]sharesomefun 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      There are articles I'm interested in, where I read only the first lines of every paragraph and summarize the rest. You've spent your whole life living abnormal because they told that you were.

      More aligned with the rest of society? More aligned with what they define as standard. Why don't you let evolution define what you are?

      [–]dryadofelysium 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      No one ever told me I am different or to use medication, it was my choice.

      Also I didn't start until I was 22, when there was no other way forward.

      With "more aligned to society" I mean the ability to focus on boring/useless tasks. Obviously it would be nice if it wasn't neccessary, but I understand that some things just couldn't work otherwise.