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[–]imjgaltstill [非表示スコア]

Just out of curiosity did your conversion have anything to do with receiving a large bonus check and noticing how big a bite our benevolent government took? That is what turned me.

[–]combatmedic82 [非表示スコア]

A truly fascinating read, I was riveted the whole way through. I can't fully address your post without dragging on too long, but would like to make a few statements and ask a few questions:

1) I served in the military, and was knowingly aware that liberals historically frowned upon the service ("baby killers", shit in garbage bags, etc.). Yet when it came to elections and rhetoric, they openly said they "supported the troops" because they knew it was politically the most acceptable position. Were the liberal circles you found yourself in truly full of the anti-military angst that most in the service assumed they were?

2) When you identified yourself as a "liberal" was it mostly based on social views, or on fiscal/economic issues? I think the GOP and conservatives in general would be better served focusing on the later.

3) Did you find as you become more financially successful, that the demagoguery and the anti-wealth mentality of the left started to contradict with your well deserved lifestyle?

4) Lastly, were you aware of the Churchill quote: "Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains"? Welcome to the fold brother.

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[–]kirktConstitutionalist [非表示スコア]

Great read, thanks for posting.

Given your second point, why do you think that so much of Wall Street is heavily liberal?

[–]DArtist51[🍰] [非表示スコア]

Well said. I applaud that you have had the courage to state your convictions.

[–]BJUmholtzFuck Progressives [非表示スコア]

Liberals create industry out of sin and feel the need to "middle-man" everything. Finding this out for myself as a child, reading historical accounts, as well as being denied earned benefits due to my skin color has turned me off to "fair" leftist race-based values.

[–]bunknownConservative [非表示スコア]

strawmen

Look out for that type of attack in this sub....

[–]BabalonRising [非表示スコア]

And there you go. I’d love to know your thoughts.

I find myself in a similar boat.

Though in my country of residence/citizenship (Canada) my political views are (on the whole) mostly seen as "centrist" fare, by the standard of many of my American family members and friends my political sympathies fall on the "Republican" side of the equation.

However I suppose that will depend on who one asks. I kind of have the political version of the Marylander curse - "the south" doesn't quite consider them southerners, while "the north" tends to say the exact opposite. :)

As for myself, I'd say that whatever the case may be, that I'm at least more comfortable with the political culture and core assumptions of the (so called) "American right" than anything else.

While my own notions of "limited government" are far away from being an endorsement for "next-to-no government", I would say the emphasis on individual rights (and all that goes with that) is what ultimately puts me more in one camp than the other.

And I positively despise the mob mentality that American progressives so often cultivate in their base. So there's that too. :)

OTOH I don't have much personal use for the "social conservatism" business. I'm a strict civil libertarian in that regard. However being a reasonable person, I also know that public spaces belong to everyone. So some kind of community standards for that shared space is appropriate (and mileage will vary depending on where one goes - Las Vegas is a very different community than Topeka, KS, for instance.)

But what people do on private property is absolutely no one's business but their own.

As for my own past, it was admittedly more explicitly "left leaning" than it is now. I attribute that to my own youth and ignorance. Though, I still see rational grounds for a whole host of fiscal/economic policies which the more radical "deregulation"/no-welfare wing of conservatism might not appreciate.

Nor could I ever sign up for the right's own version of "the stupid mob", or any naive belief that it is only the popular American left that is infested with toxic elements. And admittedly, that means I find a lot of the posts on this sub to be just "more of the same" in that regard. Etc., etc.

TL-DR: I could go on...but long story short, "I feel your pain." lol

[–]bossk123 [非表示スコア]

I became conservative in my youth because I saw the way liberals behaved from a very early age. You just couldn't debate them. They would instantly try to silence you. I grew up in California and it was just incredibly left wing. The people of course were conservative on so many issues but they had been brainwashed into a hatred for Republicans. Southerners were seen as little more than blithering idiots. I am currently in the scout sniper section, not a sniper personally, of the OK national guard, and it is all southern type people. They are also all really smart really hard working individuals. We have some scouts that are engineers, and all sort of intelligent people jobs. So according to liberals they should be ignorant, and stupid because they are conservative, southern, and worst of all to them soldiers. I can't stand liberals perpetuation of hate and ignorance. I'm glad to see you at the conservative point in your life. It seems a lot of people naturally conservative in a lot of their views but they are indoctrinated into liberalism at a young age. However, anyone who is inherently conservative in nature will be pretty much guaranteed to catch on. The situation in Israel is just sick to me as a soldier. Islamic terrorists are just so disgustingly evil. I cannot believe that a group so vile, and wicked can so easily garner support from the left just for being the underdog. Its a tragedy. It really is. For people to be so woefully ignorant. Anyways glad to have you aboard man.

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[–]BearsFan34 [非表示スコア]

I full-heartedly agree with your post. You've done a good job outlining a lot of the hypocrisies and mental gymnastics that liberals use to defend their positions. And I agree, their tactics are vile and extremely disingenuous. I have a few questions for you, however. You stated that before moving to the right you were a card-carrying liberal, and although you have stated your distaste for their politicking stratagem, you've neglected to explain how/why your fundamental beliefs have changed to a conservative point of view. Do you still believe in a liberal economy? Open borders? Are you socially liberal? I'm just curious as to how you've completely changed from a liberal to a conservative, other than being annoyed with the left's hypocrisies. In any case, welcome, I think after becoming conservative you'll look on your past as a liberal and wonder "how could I have ever thought that way, I was so naive"

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[–]texasaurus [非表示スコア]

Nice to hear. Welcome!

[–]caribou16Moderate Conservative [非表示スコア]

I find people on "both sides of the aisle" seem to have an issue with your third point. I suppose it's only human nature to want to silence opinions that you find uncomfortable. Fortunately, as you pointed out, freedom of speech is not synonymous with freedom from consequence of that speech, so as society changes and perceptions evolve from generation to generation, this sort of thing self-polices itself.

[–]PiercePyriteSofa King [非表示スコア]

Generally it's bad to build your political philosophy on a foundation of spite for the worst people among a particular ideology. Unfortunately the media trains people to do this and to ignore all subtlety.

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[–]Wannabe2goodHurr Durr Master [非表示スコア]

your journey has just begun. as you delve more into constitutional matters, you'll become even more conservative

[–]RugratsReRunsConservative [非表示スコア]

It is interesting you point out that liberals do not value social cohesion and social order. I took a political philosophy class in college a couple years ago and in discussing liberalism, the teacher indicated to us that one of the core tenets of liberalism is is the idea of social justice. In doing this, the teacher said that in their pursuit of social justice, they try to identify whatever interest group is being most oppressed and allocate resources/effort to that group to make it un-oppressed. So whether it is blacks, LGBT, nature, immigrants, hamas, etc. the teacher said liberals will always bounce around to help them. This is obviously a noble cause. However, the issue arises when it is understood that in order to help one group, you have to not help another group. You said you were a finance guy, so think of this in terms of opportunity cost. The opposing viewpoint to this idea is grounded in the thought that the pursuit of social justice for all is futile because it is an unending cycle. Simply put, a socially just utopia is not attainable.

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist [非表示スコア]

Replying from a phone. I'd like to point out that some of those tactics/world views can be found on this side of the aisle as well. Though they are a minority instead of the majority as you found on the left.

This will come off as arrogant but I've found that the left is rooted in emotional arguments. Not that conservatives don't also use emotions to formulate their positions. But that the very core of liberal positions are ideological and depend on a feeling instead of a rationalization. I find that if you truly look through an issue on both the micro and macro levels you will often find yourself on the conservative side of that issue. Even issues like Gay Marriage or Abortion. I'm non-religious agnostic and I side with conservatives even on these without a doubt.

[–]einhverfrHeathen Traditionalist [非表示スコア]

I think a lot of your points are very closely interconnected, actually.

However, I have been the target of liberal scapegoating and ignorance, as I work in the finance sector.

It is also worth noting that the reforms proposed by liberals here don't do anything about the problems that exist in the financial sector. I suspect that if they listened to you, they might actually get a better sense of what needed to be fixed and how... But one thing liberals don't tend to understand is that knowledge is local and that talking with people involved and, well, listening can be a good thing....

Liberals do not value social cohesion and social order.

Unless it is political orthodoxy... The real problem is that in the quest for eliminating social cohesion and social order, they seek to build ever-larger governmental interference which largely just makes people prey for the same corporations they claim to despise.

When conservatives are mobbed for their good-faith conservative opinions, liberals always justify them being chased after and silenced because “free speech shouldn’t protect you from the consequences of your speech,” etc.

There are a few liberals who get it on that point, but they seem to be a minority. A lot of this comes from liberals believing that only bad intentions result in disagreement. For example, all opposition to same-sex marriage must be rooted in homophobia in their view. All opposition to affirmative action must be rooted in racism. All opposition to the liberal agenda must be rooted in bad intentions. A great retort btw, on that view on same-sex marriage is to ask sincerely whether Aristotle was homophobic because he reserved marriage for procreative unions (and then point out that Aristotle wrote a lot on same-sex sexual contact in Athens).

So yeah, they dehumanize us. This means we have to be better than they are at rhetoric and history.

The thing that made me realize that although I had previously been left, I have never been "liberal" was when I realized how hostile liberals actually are to family and tradition. I grew up as a small town America left-of-center kind of guy, and I always assumed that city folk who supported the same policies did so for the same reasons. When I went to college, however, I discovered that the cities were very different places. Over night I discovered although my positions hadn't changed I was now far-right instead of far-left. Over the years, trying to sort that out made me realize a few things:

  1. Liberals are openly hostile to family. If you suggest things to strength the family, you get accused of social engineering. If you suggest things to weaken it, you get applauded. For example, support a small (say, $200/month) thank-you benefit for adults who take in retired parents into their homes....

  2. Liberals are openly hostile to local governance. The fastest way to get a liberal to shut up about single payer is to say as follows, "I totally agree. We need to adopt the Canadian system. That's where the federal government has a fairly week role, and the provinces set up their own single payer systems and make the vast majority of decisions on coverage. That would mean a state-by-state single payer system in the US." Well, it will result either in silence or in insults about how that's the same as supporting segregation or some such....

  3. Liberals strangely mythologize Europe (something I didn't notice so much until I started living abroad). Again, another great point is, "Yes, let's adopt the Danish social welfare model. Sure there are high taxes, but most of it goes to the county and city, and they set up their own welfare programs. You know, each county sets up its own single payer system? And while they pay for abortions with tax dollars, they outlaw second term abortions. The community pocketbook means the community makes the choice, right?" Or "Ok, so let's talk about welfare. There are a lot of programs I like in Europe, such as how many countries send out monthly or quarterly checks to parents, regardless of income level, to help encourage people to have kids." Or, "Yes, I am a big fan of gun control, provided that it is on the Swiss model."

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[–]lodger238 [非表示スコア]

Bravo. I'm going to try to paraphrase what you've written... "Most liberals are hypocrites".

[–]sweetdrjoe [非表示スコア]

Welcome!

[–]1Arky [非表示スコア]

Welcome. Since you said you campaigned for Obama in 2012 do you feel you had to overlook a lot to still vote for him? Or were you not that close to your conversion then?

---To the left the truth looks like Right-wing extremism - Me