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TIL actor Danny Trejo pointedly does not do his own stunts saying "I don’t want to risk 80 people’s jobs just so I can say I have big nuts." (foxnews.com)

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[–]funktion 1320 ポイント1321 ポイント

The rest of the world has to prove itself to Danny Trejo

[–]Ugly_Painter 694 ポイント695 ポイント

Danny Trejo uses a live rattlesnake as a condom.

[–]WhiteEternalKnight 240 ポイント241 ポイント

Proof that poison is an effective method of birth control.

[–]Nailclippers -7 ポイント-6 ポイント

Venom. Not poison.

[–]rmxz 150 ポイント151 ポイント

Venom. Not poison.

Poison - if we're speaking English here:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poison

Examples of POISON ... suck poison from a snake bite

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/venom

venom ... poison that is produced by an animal

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/venomous

Full Definition of VENOMOUS
1 : full of venom: as
a : poisonous, envenomed

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poisonous

poi·son·ous ... capable of putting poison into another animal's body by biting it

Seems Google Trends claims only in parts of Australia do people refer to 'venomous spider' more than 'poisonous spider'. Everywhere else in the English speaking world, it looks like it's clearly a 'poisonous spider' by a wide margin. Not sure how it got into Reddit-slang to get so pedantic about this non-existent distinction. Perhaps some elementary school vocabulary list that lots of people had to memorize listed it that way.

[–]InstructionsNotClear 11 ポイント12 ポイント

from what I understand, venomous refers to when the substance is harmful when it is injected into your blood stream (snake venom, scorpion venom). Poisonous on the other hand is when the substance is harmful when ingested.

[–]rmxz 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Not quite.

Poison Arrows kill by putting poisonous chemicals in the blood; but no-one ever refers to them as "venom" arrows.

The lethal injection stuff they use in executions isn't ever called a venom either.

Seems it's more about if an animal produces a poison for a weapon, then it's a venom ---- and also still a poison; like tomatos and watermelons and rhubarb are both fruits and vegetables at the same time.

[–]InstructionsNotClear 2 ポイント3 ポイント

interesting. so they're pretty much interchangeable?

[–]rmxz 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Not quite interchangeable.

In English (rather than biology) I think venoms are mostly a subset of poisons (all made by animals, and usually for attacking). But it seems non-biological poisons are never called a venom even if injected into blood. There are some venoms that aren't very poisonous (like a bee sting) - so it's not the case that all venoms are poisons.

Seems (in English, not in biologish) it's more the case that "poisonous" is more about how dangerous it is; and venom has more to do with the intent of an animal.

Fruit/vegetable are only rarely interchangeable too. They both have meanings in a culinary context (sweet/desert vs savory/main-course) and biological context (specific part of a reproductive organ that they call fruits vs other piece of a plant that's called vegetable matter). You can have culinary vegetables that are biological fruit (tomato) and culinary fruits that biologists would call vegetable matter (a rhubarb pie).

[–]ADrunkPanda60 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Dat Novelty account tho

[–]InstructionsNotClear 0 ポイント1 ポイント

It's not ;)

[–]FlamingSnatch -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Correcto, but to further that venom is injected, poison is secreted.

[–]Luminareo 21 ポイント22 ポイント

http://ed.ted.com/lessons/venom-vs-poison-what-s-the-difference-rose-eveleth

It's a small distinction, but it exists. Scientific language isn't compelled so strongly by popular usage. Linguists probably don't care about it. Ask a biologist. O WAIT

[–]rmxz 14 ポイント15 ポイント

Ask a biologist.

Those silly guys seem to enjoy taking perfectly good English words and twisting their meaning against all standard usage.

Recall, they are the ones who claim roses don't have thorns but instead have 'prickles', despite every English speaking poet and gardener in history knowing that roses do indeed have thorns.

[–]UncleTogie 10 ポイント11 ポイント

despite every English speaking poet and gardener in history knowing that roses do indeed have thorns.

Next thing you know, you'll be telling us that every night has its dawn as well.

Poppycock!

[–]BOOMgosDynomite 8 ポイント9 ポイント

I guess we are also just supposed to assume thay every cowboy sings a sad, sad song.

[–]allsortsashit 2 ポイント3 ポイント

My brain is really stumped since we began this with poison talk and somehow ended this with poison talk. But how?

[–]sindex23 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Yeah, it does.

Now, listen to this emotional guitar solo.

[–]disturbed286 0 ポイント1 ポイント

You don't honestly believe every cowboy sings a sad, sad song, do you?

[–]FoodBeerBikesMusic 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Yes, but I work with a bunch of pricks and they don't have roses.

Explain that.

[–]tonsilolith 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Science creates a need for specification and a standardization of how we refer to concepts. Distinctions are created as a necessity and can really be seen as a sign of progress in a field. There is no reason for "popular usage" to take away the possibility of using already known words to describe what exactly is physically happening in front of us.

[–]NoMoreLurkingToo -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Bullshit. Words have established meanings and they should not be tampered with. Especially when a scientific word is concerned, it would be far more useful to create a new word in order to describe something rather than twist the meaning of an existing word. The definition of the word 'fruit' comes to mind. Which leads some asshats to declare that a tomato is not a vegetable, even though the word vegetable has no meaning in a scientific manner. /rant

[–]rmxz 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Watermelon and Rhubarb are also fun examples of plant parts that are both Fruits and Vegetables at the same time -- Watermelon being Oklahoma's state vegetable (after all, it's just a variety of the clearly vegetable cucumber/gourd family), and Rhubarb stalks being declared a fruit by a New York court because it makes a good fruit pie.

[–]flashmedallion -1 ポイント0 ポイント

It's a vegetable in culinary terms - where catagorization is based on taste and texture, not biological or botanical traits where it is in a family with scientific "fruits".

[–]Reeekris 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Even the band "Poison" (not venom) knows that every rose has its thorn.

[–]ciny 0 ポイント1 ポイント

despite every English speaking poet and gardener in history knowing that roses do indeed have thorns.

So? Why should professionals care what gardeners and poets think? What's next - shall we just reclassify tomato as a vegetable because chefs and normal people consider it one?

I'm in IT and I see absolutely no reason to give a fuck about what users think or use instead of proper terms. If I would half of my conversations with colleagues would consist of "thingamajig"...

[–]rafael_fl8 [score hidden]

So? Why should professionals care what gardeners and poets think?

We are not professionals. We are just a bunch of common people using a word and one condescending karma whorish grammar nazi who decided he would correct somebody

[–]AdvocateForTulkas 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Scientific language is not common language in many ways and in many circumstances. This applies to innumerable fields of study including things far from "hard" sciences like accounting and the arts.

It cannot be pressed upon people to use the language of a field of study.

[–]Luminareo -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I'm not forcing people to use the correct terminology (though... now that you know, why be willfully ignornant?). It just rustled my jimmies when it was asserted above that "poison" was technically correct. It's not technically correct.

[–]prisN 5 ポイント6 ポイント

rip in peace unidan

[–]Drigr 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Eh he deserved it.

[–]DeadBodiesCantSayNo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Did he dieded?

[–]captaincoupi 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Shadowbanned for a heated discussion about correct bird classification. I wish I was making it up.

[–]Pymidpower 5 ポイント6 ポイント

No. He was banned for vote manipulation. He would vote up his own submissons to get them to the top. He did admit to it, but the only evidence was deleted by one of the TIFU mods.

[–]TheInternetHivemind 1 ポイント2 ポイント

He got banned because he had sock-puppet accounts to upvote him and downvote whoever he was arguing against.

[–]DeadBodiesCantSayNo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

He was so nice and devoted a large chunk of his time to help users on Reddit. I hope they can overlook this, did he use hurtful language?

[–]quotejester 0 ポイント1 ポイント

So, I'd heard that there's only one poisonous snake (probably the one shown in the video) i.e. you touch or bite it and it affects you, and the rest are venomous i.e. they bite you. Is this correct (the distinction between poisonous and venomous, not the number snakes that are poisonous)?

[–]Dumpus_Maximus 0 ポイント1 ポイント

We ain't doing science, fucker. Go back to your computer, nerd.

[–]BaintS 49 ポイント50 ポイント

droppin knowledge son!

/u/Nailclippers just got #REKT

[–]Orbitrix -1 ポイント0 ポイント

rekt balls deep, fo real

[–]Scire_facias 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I typically use Venom/Venomous, when it is pertaining to a particular creature. So, a Venomous Spider/Snake, or the Snake's Venom/Spider's Venom (Interestingly Enough, I think I'd refer to a Spider as Venomous Spider, but I would refer to it's venom, as a Spider's Poison). I'm Australian, so I thought I'd just share my speech pattern, I'm curious to see if anyone else does the same.

Though in my opinion, poison is a more generic way of referring to a venom. A venom is always a poison, where as a poison isn't always a venom.

[–]halfsleeve 19 ポイント20 ポイント

Venom is black metal poison is glam they are very different indeed

[–]Drigr 0 ポイント1 ポイント

(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞

[–]verifiedname 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Sing it, brother. I got into an argument with someone over "use" vs "utilize." They're synonymous, people! Just because you had an embittered professor flunk students over a wording pet peeve does not make it a grammar rule!

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    [–]ODzyns 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    UK here, It's poisonous, if something is brightly coloured its more likely to be poisonous. If it bites you and you die it's poisonous, if you bite it and you die it's poisonous. Snakes have venom that is poisonous.

    [–]CAPTAIN_DIPLOMACY 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Toads are poisonous because when you consume them their toxin laden skin poisons you. Snakes are venomous because they inject or spray you with venom which is poisonous. The snake itself is not poisonous. People could bite snakes all day long and feel no ill effects unless they ruptured the venom glands its only when the snake bites back that you're in trouble. Say a cat was infested with parasites you wouldn't call the cat a parasite its still a feline. Just because a snake is capable of poisoning you with venom doesn't make it poisonous its venomous because it carries venom which is poisonous.

    [–]ODzyns 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Its still called a poisonous snake if it can poison you. You acted like you speak on behalf on what the whole UK calls venemous and poisonous.

    We got taught of its bright its a sign it could be poisonous.

    [–]CAPTAIN_DIPLOMACY 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    No sorry I thought that was an accepted shorthand redditism for "im from the UK and..."

    [–]moonra_zk 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    Oh, wow, didn't knew countries had reddit accounts now!

    [–]HatchetToGather 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    Yugoslavia here. We've all had accounts for awhile actually, we just don't like to talk about it much.

    [–]xFoeHammer 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    didn't knew

    Oh god, are you to start a grammar Nazi war?

    [–]makeitcool 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    That's actually a pretty neat distinction. Easy to understand.

    [–]singhapura 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    http://www.birdandmoon.com/toxic.html

    [–]R4phC 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    Irish here, we just call them all crows

    [–]baddroid 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Not sure how it got into Reddit-slang to get so pedantic about this non-existent distinction

    Yeah I had this nonsense the other day from someone.

    I also pointed out that "venom" is just a Latin word for "poison".

    [–]rmxz 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    Both come from Old French - and French got both of them from Latin for stuff one would drink:

    Poison Old French poison, puison (12c., Modern French poison) "a drink," especially a medical drink, later "a (magic) potion, poisonous drink" (14c.), from Latin potionem (nominative potio) "a drinking, a drink," also "poisonous drink" (Cicero), from potare "to drink" (see potion).

    Venom: Old French venim, venin "poison; malice," from Vulgar Latin *venimen (source also of Italian veleno, Spanish veneno), from Latin venenum "poison," earlier (pre-classical) "drug, medical potion," also "charm, seduction," probably originally "love potion,"

    [–]baddroid 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Venenum probably from "Venus" for love potion - and yet the Venom pedants claim "poison" now means only a poison that you drink.

    [–]ProfessorSarcastic 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    The distinction isn't non-existent, it just isn't as strict or widespread as some people would like it to be. Venom is a more precise term for it, but calling it poison isn't wrong either.

    [–]element114 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Seems that venom is a specific subset of poison

    [–]treatmewrong 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    You rather selectively copied the definition of venom. The full reading gives a rather different impression: "poison that is produced by an animal (such as a snake) and used to kill or injure another animal usually through biting or stinging."

    Let's look at an authoritative English dictionary like the OED, for a slightly more discerning definition.

    poison, n.

    1. a. Material that causes illness or death when introduced into or absorbed by a living organism, esp. when able to kill by rapid action and when taken in small quantity; a substance of this kind. Also (esp. in early use): a drink containing such a substance.

    venom, n.

    1. a. The poisonous fluid normally secreted by certain snakes and other animals and used by them in attacking other living creatures.

    So, venom is poisonous, but poison is not venomous.

    On to /u/Nailclippers' correction of /u/WhiteEternalKnight's comment.

    Proof that poison is an effective method of birth control.

    This statement is correct [semantically, that is - we should disregard the real world implication, of course], whether referring to a venomous or poisonous creature.

    Proof that venom is an effective method of birth control.

    This statement is semantically correct when referring to a venomous creature, but not when referring to a poisonous creature. Since a rattlesnake is quite irrefutably venomous, /u/Nailclippers' correction, whilst pedantic, stands justifiable, and is no slang of any kind.

    A beautifully illustrated explanation of the difference between the adjective forms is here. For the noun forms, venom is a subset of poison - this is very simple.

    [–]rmxz [score hidden]

    For the noun forms, venom is a subset of poison - this is very simple.

    Not quite.

    Some venoms - like ant stings - are not really poisonous at all, since all they do is make a mild itch.

    From your definitions:

    • Venom = chemical animals make for attacking.
    • Poisonous = stuff that can cause illness or death.

    Neither set fully contains the other.

    [–]waltduncan 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    A dictionary doesn't dictate what is scientifically accurate.

    EDIT: Which is to restate, it is venom, not poison.

    [–]RDandersen[🍰] 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    Nope, that's true. But it does state what is linguistically correct and while there is a valuable distinction between the two terms, scientifically speaking, they are colloquially interchangeable.
    So unless you are writing an essay on squamatic defense mechanisms, correcting someone's use of "poisonous" in an every day conversation, like this one, is not only wrong, but also kind of dumb.

    [–]Envious_of_Apathy 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    YOU'RE KIND OF DUMB...... nah, actually that was really well worded and pretty informative... keep up the good work.

    [–]StickmanSham 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Are you /r/Unidan's replacement?

    [–]raverblades 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    The real question is between this Poison and this Poison and this Poison

    [–]Scarecrow398 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Australian here, most people don't give a fuck between the two.

    [–]KevinSays- -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

    /u/Nailclippers just got educationally bitch slapped.

    Who wants to challenge the champ next? /u/rmxz.

    [–]dudley-heinsbergen -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    Yes snake venom is poisonous, but it is still venom. It is correct to state a snake contains venom and incorrect to say a snake is poisonous. Venom is delivered to the bloodstream whereas poison is digested.

    [–]Mr_Fasion -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    First off it's not reddit specific slang. And second, just because everyone refers to it like that, doesn't mean it's right.

    Go talk to a biologist.

    [–]aoxo -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    If it's injected (by an animal) its venom, if it's injested it's poison.

    [–]FoppaSmash -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    Venom and poison are both toxins produced by an organism, but venom is injected, while poison is ingested.

    [–]Kraigius -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    It's the scientist definition. The same reason why Theory in a language doesn't mean the same as the Scientist definition of Theory .

    It's not from an elementary school vocabulary list, and it's not wrong.

    [–]dieorlivetrying -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison "The fields of medicine (particularly veterinary) and zoology often distinguish a poison from a toxin, and from a venom. Toxins are poisons produced by some biological function in nature, and venoms are usually defined as toxins that are injected by a bite or sting to cause their effect, while other poisons are generally defined as substances absorbed through epithelial linings such as the skin or gut."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom

    Yes, I understand that language is shaped simply by what people say, but "Perhaps some elementary school vocabulary list that lots of people had to memorize listed it that way." is an asshole's comment.

    It's clearly defined as different in veterinary medicine and zoology, so saying it was some "elementary school vocabulary list" negates all of your sources and research, considering you apparently either cherry-picked your info, or failed at researching it properly.

    Maybe you fell on your head in elementary school.

    [–]NectarofNuts 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    potato potato

    [–]jokmundoore 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    Your girlfriend my girlfriend

    [–]ImBoredCanYouTell 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    Gold jacket, green jacket, who gives a shit?

    [–]waltduncan 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    That's pretty sick, Chubbs.

    [–]Lexiclown 10 ポイント11 ポイント

    Never go full potato

    [–]Rubix89 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    PO-TA-TO...

    [–]Woodsie13 9 ポイント10 ポイント

    Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew

    [–]CCMSTF 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    http://i.imgur.com/tjNG79x.jpg

    For those that do not know(e):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI

    [–]Mumblix_Grumph 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    Is full potato OK?

    [–]freelollies 10 ポイント11 ポイント

    Just the tip

    [–]awfully_timed_gimli 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    and MY axe!

    [–]nom_de_chomsky 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    You never go self-potato.

    [–]NoMoreLurkingToo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    rather: potato potαto

    [–]Consequence6 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Poison can be venom, but venom definitely is poison.

    [–]RufinTheFury 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    We have a new /u/unidan!

    All praise be to /u/WhiteEternalKnight!

    [–]WhiteEternalKnight 11 ポイント12 ポイント

    Time to make five more accounts and get started!

    [–]RufinTheFury 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    My hero! Just make sure to constantly gift your own posts with gold. It encourages people to upvote em just cuz.

    (no seriously, in unidan's admission of guilt he gifted himself gold on an alt account and got almost 400 upvotes before getting downvoted) /s

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    [deleted]

      [–]RufinTheFury 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Well him gifting himself was a joke (should have /s'd) but he does have 4x gold on the post and had 400 upvotes before we neg'd him. And the first gold popped up seconds/minutes after he made his post.

      The cult of personality is real.

      [–]Funky_cold_Alaskan 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      How do you know he gifted himself with one of his lays? Did I miss a big piece of this insanity??

      [–]RufinTheFury -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      It's mainly a joke that he did it. The reason we started saying that he did it himself is because it popped up literally seconds/minutes after he made the post.

      Probably should have added /s

      [–]Nulono 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      What happened to the old one?

      [–]RufinTheFury 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      Shadowbanned for using 5 alt accounts to downvote people that disagreed with him and upvote his own posts.

      http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2c5cxa/unidan_shadowbanned_after_jackdaw_kerflufle/

      [–]LastRedCoat 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      I don't get it. Was he shadowbanned from all reddit or just certain subreddits?

      [–]RufinTheFury 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      Everything.

      When you are shadowbanned, all your submissions & comments are automatically treated as spam and will not show up to anyone else.

      Along with that, when you're shadowbanned your main account page is permanently deleted. It won't show up as [deleted] when you search for /u/unidan, it'll be a 404. It's permanently dead.

      [–]PointOfFingers 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      it's permanently dead

      They killed Unidan in the real world? Wow the admins on Reddit are brutal.

      [–]sfurbo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Isn't the "shadow" in shadowban due to the inability of the banned entity to find out they are banned? Doesn't deleting the account page ruins that?

      [–]ulkord 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Pretty sure it can be restored. I was once unshadowbanned

      [–]obsidianchao 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      This might be the best Reddit drama I've ever seen.

      [–]BRBaraka 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      shadowbanned

      used multiple accounts to manipulate votes

      /r/SubredditDrama/comments/2c5cxa/unidan_shadowbanned_after_jackdaw_kerflufle/

      [–]I_love_hate_reddit -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      every fucking time!!