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Right-wing activists vandalize art gallery which was exhibiting paintings by Pakistani and Indian artists. (mumbaimirror.com)
submitted 11 ヶ月 前 by just_somebody
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[–]chamaar -10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
The money made by Pakistani artists in India is taxed by Pakistani government to finance terrorism and murder of Indian jawans and civilians. Those who help them earn crores have blood of Indians on their hands. Those who support their entry into India, are unwittingly (or knowingly !) financing Pakistan's policy of bleeding India by a thousand cuts.
Now, I don't expect these Indian "artists" to pick up guns and invade Pakistan. But is it too much to expect that they show some empathy with victims of Pakistani terrorism by boycotting Pakistanis till that country takes some actions against warmongers like Masood Azhar, Syed Salahuddin and Hafeez Saeed ? Of course, Pakisan may find other sources to finance its insidious acts, but is it too much to expect that these "Indian artists" make financing harder rather than easier ?
[–]GreyGoda 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前*
You buy a few American and / or Chinese Goods.
Both countries provide aid Pakistan.
Pakistan spends money on Terrorism.
You are funding terrorism.
Corollary: more than a 100 million Indians are funding terrorism.
EDIT: typo
[–]gcs8आम्ही देवा, अंबेचे गोंधळी, नाचतो अवघ्या भूमंडळी.. 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Corrolary
Did you mean 'corollary'?
[–]GreyGoda 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
fixed. thanks.
[–]chamaar -9 ポイント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Indeed we are.
Just because my killers are financed by three sources, doesn't mean that I should be apathetic towards cutting off its source of funds from the fourth source.
US and China fund Pakistan because they think Pakistani Army is professional and serves their interests. Indian government strengthens that perception by dealing with Pakistani State. This perception needs to be destroyed so that US/China doesn't feel that their interests are served by Terrorist Army. This can be achieved by various covert and overt means. But for this we need a government with strategic vision and not one whose policy is based on craven inaction.
[–]GreyGoda 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Well advocate the Indian government to do that.
But you come off as a hypocrite when you say art needs to be destroyed while you can't part with your smart phone or a desktop or a laptop that you are reading this from.
[–]chamaar -7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
art needs to be destroyed
Er .. Where did I say that ?
I want Pakistani artists not to make money off Indian citizens, as that money will be used by Pakistani State to fund terrorism against India. They are free to make and sell their art in Pakistan. If they feel too unsafe to do that, they should renounce their Pakistani citizenship and petition any foreign governments [including India !] for refuge. Such defections will serve Indian interests.
[–][deleted] 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
lol...how must it be to live with so much hate and stupidity
[–]chamaar -6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
I am full of hatred and stupidity for tightening any sources of revenues of Pakistani government, whilst you are an "enlightened moderate" [in Musharraff's mould] for admiring Bakistani Fart when Indians get killed. I prefer to be former rather than latter.
[–]ChocoSouth 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
I am full of hatred and stupidity for tightening any sources of revenues of Pakistani government,
By continuing to hate against Pakistan, you are helping keep the Ind-Pak stand-off alive. This is helping Pakistani Govt justify taking the US aid and using it against India.
Now please, /u/chamaar stop helping fund terror against India!
[–]rsa1 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
By continuing to hate against Pakistan, you are helping keep the Ind-Pak stand-off alive
Exactly. It is somebody who hates Pakistan on Reddit that keeps the stand-off alive, not Pakistan sending boatloads of terrorists to India with instructions to massacre innocent civilians.
[–][deleted] 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
enlightened moderate
no man, I am just an average and normal guy, nothing enlightened about me. You are an abnormal, an outlier..very few have so much hatred, stupidity and bigotry in them.
I think I am far more representative of a mango aadmi who empathizes with those killed by Pakistani terrorism. Sir, your kind which enjoys sipping chai with Pakistani friends in air-conditioned fart-galleries represents the parasitic "intellectual" class.
[–]gcs8आम्ही देवा, अंबेचे गोंधळी, नाचतो अवघ्या भूमंडळी.. -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Says the guy whose comments here are mostly angry one-liners and profanities :D
[–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
lol am I really supposed to debate that garbage? Is that even supposed to be taken seriously?
[–]durachari -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
No sir only liberal seculars are sane and need to be taken seriously. All other view points are garbage, idiotic, bigoted, narrow, jingoistic and communal.
No not at all. All points of view, conservative, right wing, left, liberal- all are important in a democracy.
But blatantly idiotic, bigoted, narrow, jingoistic and communal points ARE idiotic, bigoted, narrow, jingoistic and communal-- doesn't matter if left, right, liberal conservative whatever.
[–]durachari -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
How do you decide which is which?
[–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
well..look up the definitions? You have google, search for Jingoism, narrow, bigoted. If you still don't understand, I will elaborate on my opinions (which for some reasons you care deeply about, when there are so many discussions already down there in the comments).
[–]durachari -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Please explain your opinion keeping in view the current scenario that is playing in the country.
why? Go through my comment history to see my opinions on things. This is not some court where I have to explain myself to all the butthurt people.
[–]just_somebody[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Indian movies also run in Pakistan's cinemas. For example, Chennai Express is a superhit in Pakistan, and earning crores of rupees for some Indians. Source: http://www.dawn.com/news/1035477/chennai-express-rocks-karachi-box-office
And some of the tax from this money will go towards financing the Indian army and our fight against terrorism. So, we benefit too.
[–][deleted] 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Recently their censor board which is supposedly made of artists banned one film for one stupid reason: a Muslim girl cannot marry Hindu boy.
[–]chamaar -8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Pakistan is not doing India any favors by allowing these films to be screened. I will be glad if Indian films get banned in Pakistan, because:
It will encourage Indian producers to not finance those scripts which pander to Pakistani sensibilities. Films like Border will never be superhit in Pakistan. I will be glad if Indian films serve as vehicles of propaganda that serves Indian interests rather than Pakistani one.
It will dry up another source of income for Pakistani government - Pakistani distributers and cinema owners who make money through these films.
Finally, it is a well known fact that a certain section of Mumbai film industry is in cahoots with D-Company. It is this section that makes most money off the pappi-jhappi kind of films that become superhit in Pakistan. It is this section and their gangster friends in Krachi and Dubai who will be affected most if Indian films are banned in Pakistan.
TIL Chennai Express panders to Pakistani sensibilities.
Seriously, ever heard of soft power? The more of our culture we can export, the more knowledgeable and understanding the average Pakistani becomes about India. And the more that happens, the less likely he is to support hardline anti-India activities--either from the state, the military or "non-state actors".
Also, exports = foreign exchange = narrowing CAD = stabilised Rupee value.
[–]diamondjim 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Chennai Express should be treated as war against the country.
[–]durachari -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
How much is the earning considering the fact that they have hardly a handful theatres to screen the movies. The movies are mostly pirated. Hindi movies if I am not wrong earn most by selling
Overseas rights to countries with huge or significant Indian diaspora.
Music rights to channels and labels
Distribution and telecast rights to satellite channels
Movie screenings in India.
[–]just_somebody[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
You could be right, but I think the earnings would still be significant.
[–]durachari 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
No the earnings are minuscule compared to what they earn in India and elsewhere. According to Tribune.pk dabangg earned 8 crores, race2 earned 6 crores, don2 earned 8 crores, all figures in paki currency.
These amounts barely means anything to the bollywood banners.
If these amounts were not meaningful to the Bollywood banners, they wouldn't bother working with distributors in Pakistan.
Since they do make the effort, I guess the money does matter to them.
Compare their earnings in India and elsewhere and you will see that it is not in any way significant. The logistics of maintaining distribution channels in a country like Pakistan when the remuneration is not proportional does not make sense.
Also Pakistan is the place where the pirated master print for most Hindi movies originate. So not only are the film industry not making much money out of them they are also exposed to instant piracy. Any industry will be deeply averse to this situation but curiously bollywood isn't.
[–]LundCommentHaanKiNa 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Haan.
[–]satanic_warhamsterAmma naanu sale aadhe 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
This novelty account has a future.
[–]chandiPrasadBoomBoom 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
If these artists support terrorism, I would support your point of view, but these people are most probably against Talibanis and Islamists. If they come here and support Pakistan's Kashmir policy, I will support your point of view, but that is just not the case. If they are treated well in India, they will go back to Pakistan and be brand ambassadors for India and a Veena Malik or a Rahat Fatah Ali Khan is only going to undermine the Islamist case in Pureland.
Now if you were talking about the like of Pakistani cricketers, I will tend to agree with you. But artists is a whole different story..
[–]just_somebody[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
Now if you were talking about the like of Pakistani cricketers, I will tend to agree with you.
Can you please explain the reason behind this? If artists can be brand ambassadors, surely cricketers can be too? What is different in this case?
[–]chandiPrasadBoomBoom 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
They are uneducated louts. Artists are a lot more sophisticated and usually have more delicate sensibilities. Cricket is a lot more "Gladiatorial" and there is a lot less room for sensible people. Hence you get "Bhadwe ki nasal", "Hinduo ka dil chota hota hai".. spouting Afridi and some other nobody talking about "Hinduon ki Jehaniyat".
Ahl e Hadith has made deep inroads into the Pakistani cricket team. Imran Khan started the craziness with the Sajda on cricket ground after winning, Inzy and Saeed Anwar one upped it with their Ahl e Hadith idiocy/proselyitization and now, its difficult to know who is a crazy and who is sensible. For someone sensible, an Akram or a Raza, I guess its OK. But the current crop is full of idiots.
Thanks for explaining your point of view.
[–]durachari 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
What about paki singers, actors and various other jokers? How can the film industry fucks be friendly with them when they are killing our citizens. I know the paki artists are not the ones doing it. But our film industry has significant influence and are like the unofficial ambassadors of our culture. And they should act the part. We do not have a dearth of talent here, than why call morons from across the border.
[–]rajsin 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
You are STUPID!, You are STUPID!. Don't forget... YOU are STUPIIIIDDD!
[–]monsieur_ripley -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 11 ヶ月 前
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