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[–]brettkin 13 ポイント14 ポイント

Remember when everyone believed in science and we went to the moon? Pepperidge farm remembers.

[–]backnblack92Moderate Conservative 11 ポイント12 ポイント

This just makes me sad.

I wish we'd go back to the moon. Whatever happened to the plan to establish a moon base and use that as a jumping point to get a man on mars

Apollo 11 had less computing power than the phone I'm using to type this up

If we actually put forth the effort, I believe we can get a guy on mars by 2020. We have to at least be close to having the technology by now, it's just figuring out how to keep the astronauts bodies from degrading and getting hit with radiation during the trip

They'd just rather bicker than actually build something we can be proud of.

We fronted $50 billion of the $100 billion price tag for the ISS (the other $50 billion came from all the other member nations combined) yet we can't even get up to it by ourselves anymore without asking for help from somewhere like Russia to let us hitch a ride, or hope SpaceX gets their shit together to let us tag along.

Four days ago was the 45th anniversary of the moon landing. Kennedy gave his We choose to go to the Moon speech in 1962 and in 7 years we were there.

Anyone that says a space race has no practical value needs to sit back and really look at all the tech and advances that have changed the world that were developed because of the space race.

We can land a SUV sized rover on the red planet. We can keep another rover, that was only supposed to have a mission of 90 days, keep going for 3833 days (and counting). We can plan missions to asteroids. We can put giant stations in space. We can put a man on Mars within a few years if we actually tried.

But they'd rather bicker =/

[–]FlapJackPete 11 ポイント12 ポイント

And yet every year, NASA's budget is cut more and more.

I am 100% pro-science and pro-NASA. NASA has invented a lot of the technologies we use today due to the advancements that they had to come up with for these amazing feats.

An investment in NASA has positive returns for the rest of the economy with these technological advancements.

[–]ericcanton -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Shit. If only there was another to get up there. If only there were private businesses that could do this and funding NASA wasn't the only way. Oh wait...

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

NASA has turned their interest towards proving that global warming is something we should be concerned about. I'm pretty happy their budget is being cut if that's the shit they're going to push on us.

The privatization of the space industry is a better plan anyways.

[–]ReasonableUser 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I'll thank OP for this literally equivalent juxtaposition!

It's refreshing!

Awesome. Thank you!

[–]ColonelDimak -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

I don't understand this. How is President Obama responsible for a failed hard drive?

[–]franktacular 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Believing 7 hard drives "failed" at the same time is naive. All the evidence points to the fact that it is a coverup. The fact that the IRS now wants to permanently destroy 7000 more drives just furthers that point.

Even if it was just seven actual failures, Obama isn't responsible for making sure all the parts of every IRS hard drive work, but he is in charge of appointing the head of the IRS. If Lois Lerner can't competently run an organization where data is maintained (especially one that requires taxpayers to maintain 7 years of prior data) then it is Obama's fault for appointing someone who is incompetent.

[–]ColonelDimak 0 ポイント1 ポイント

"In January 2006, she was selected as Director Exempt Organizations." She wasn't chosen by anyone associated with President Obama's administration to run that department.

And again. HDD's fail all the time, often at around the same time due to regular usage and being at the end of the products life. Unfortunately I don't have the manufacturer make/model, manufacture date, usage data, and knowledge of the end users of these failed HDD's to offer a more in depth analysis of why they would have failed.

So far I haven't found any evidence of a coordinated effort to destroy these e-mails or hard drives, if you have sources I would really appreciate you sharing them.

[–]franktacular 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Good catch on her appointment time.

I don't think there is any direct evidence. Normally I hate to rely on "theories" and appreciate your need for direct evidence. However the likelihood of seven drives failing at the exact same time is very unlikely imo. Even if the time period is the same, the number of read/writes is certainly not the same, so their "life cycles" should not be considered to have ended at the same point.

I haven't found any direct evidence (aka smoking gun) that directly proves this theory either. However, with all the evidence that is coming out, it is becoming increasingly difficult to believe this was a coincidence. The fact that the IRS is actively trying to permanently destroy records adds to my suspicion.

[–]ColonelDimak -1 ポイント0 ポイント

If these was a home user, I would agrees that 7 drives failing is improbable, but this is an enterprise level organization and losing 7 HDDs simultaneously in an organization the size of the IRS isn't just probable it is expected and since I can't find anything to suggest the only people who lost drives were those in the Exempt Organizations unit I'm going to have to go with Hanlon's Razor.

As for the 75,000 drives they are trying to destroy, that is a good thing. This request looks to be aimed at older HDDs from machines that are being retired/end-of-lifed. You don't want old IRS hard drives going for sale on Ebay or some other site full of personal data on american citizens. If you want to see why having any devices storing data being sold on Ebay and other random sites is bad look at this, http://www.pcworld.com/article/2455780/aloha-pointofsale-terminal-sold-on-ebay-yields-security-surprises.html. That is a point of sale machine with enough data for me to steal your identity, now imagine what type of personal data is on the HDD of an IRS employee.

[–]chabanaisFortis est veritas[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Who is the boss of the IRS?

Obama.

Who is the boss of Obama?

American citizens.

[–]ColonelDimak -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

So then me and you are the real reason the IRS lost those e-mails and we should be held accountable.

But seriously hard drives fail all the time, how was anyone supposed to have predicted that?

[–]chabanaisFortis est veritas[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Emails are stored on servers, not the desktop.

Government explanation not factually believable.

[–]ColonelDimak -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Ahahahahahaha, that is cute. The IRS allowed employees to store only 500 megabytes of e-mails on the exchange server. This resulted in the vast majority of e-mails being stored on the local hard drive which failed.

Now of the e-mails stored on the server, they were backed up to a tape drive for only six months and by the time this investigation began they had be reused for more recent back ups.

So again how was anyone supposed to predict a HDD failure?

[–]chabanaisFortis est veritas[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント

The IRS did not follow the law:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/23/politics/irs-e-mails/

[–]zejjez 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Of the people who had a connection to those emails, 25% had their hard drives "fail". I get that they fail, but that's not what happened here. They flat out destroyed evidence and everyone knows it.

[–]ColonelDimak -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Can you provide any evidence of a coordinated effort to destroy these e-mails? And provide a source for the 25% failure rate?

All I'm seeing in this is a very poorly run and underfunded IT department.