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HISD schools enrolling immigrants from Honduras (khou.com)

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[–]sinsemillas 19 ポイント20 ポイント

Oh boy, here we go...

[–]slabman 11 ポイント12 ポイント

You know what pisses me off? When people conflate the word "immigrant" with "illegal immigrant". I swear, it's like nobody ever reads anything before getting on their goddamn high horse and spouting off misinformed rhetoric.

[–]Choppa790 10 ポイント11 ポイント

How about refugee, cause that's really the appropriate word here? They are fleeing violence fueled by American's and their drug addiction.

[–]thikthirdMontrose 7 ポイント8 ポイント

yes. we have laws specifically designating minors from non-contiguous north american countries who cross the border unaccompanied by an adult as a refugee. these are not immigrants.

[–]viper3b3Katy 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Signed into law by that liberal George Dubya Bush. Thanks Obama!

[–]Swordsteel 8 ポイント9 ポイント

I think its great these kids have opportunity

[–]Gingaskunk 13 ポイント14 ポイント

Wow how cool is that? They help these folks with some essentials so those kids get as close to a good shot at starting life as possible, awesome!

[–]supremeMiloThe Heights 4 ポイント5 ポイント

I think the kids should be allowed to enroll in school if the federal government is going to allow them to be here, however the federal government should pay for it, not HISD.

[–]shambahlah 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Great. Meanwhile, ROE is harassing the SHIT out of us over our legitimate residency within their district. They have even come over to inspect our house! Invasion of privacy much?

[–]jmarcopolo 3 ポイント4 ポイント

That's great that these illegal immigrants came here seeking opportunity; however, the immigrants who are waiting in line to get over here legally are being royally screwed. Illegal immigrants should not be receiving preferential treatment over those who are trying to get here by the books. Bad form.

Edit: not being sarcastic about seeking opportunity. That is honorable, but the way they stole opportunity from those who deserve it is wrong.

[–]TheGoat_NoTheRemoteMontrose 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I don't think these immigrants are necessarily stealing spots from people who are immigrating legal and through the specifically designated immigration channels.

But this is why many, including myself, believe that the immigration process should be completely overhauled and streamlined. I know friends who had been in the country legally for 20+ years that only just recently were granted their citizenship, which to me, is messed up. We are a country built on the backs on immigrants and we should not be making it incredibly difficult for people who are wanting and willing to work hard to legally immigrate here.

[–]9371 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Desire and hard work aren't the only things that matter though. They need to bring a skill of some sort, not just a work ethic. We can't just let everyone in that says they want to be here.

[–]bunnymud 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Are these immigrants that went through the proper channels or illegal immigrants? If they are part of the Obama Border Crisis Summer Bash 2014 I see no reason our dollars should pay for them.

What so ever.

[–]poptamalePearland 12 ポイント13 ポイント

Wait wait wait wait wait....wait...

You can't possibly be speaking on the "trafficking victims protection act" which was signed under bush in 2008 right? The law that states illegal alien children must be transferred to the office of refugee resettlement within 24 hours of setting foot on US soil or as reasonably as possible.

It's almost like...Obama's just obeying a law that predates him. Just because something becomes a hot topic today doesn't mean it hasn't been going on for a while now.

[–]canisdormit 13 ポイント14 ポイント

You do realize that whatever we do, it's our tax dollars doing it? Why not educate them? You afraid they'll outshine your snotnosed rugrats?

[–][deleted] 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Tax dollars aren't an infinite resource. As much as people want to come to Houston, others have no problem leaving when taxes get too high. The way immigration is set up now, it's a moral hazard. There's a lot of incentives to come take advantage of things like free education but little incentive for people to not overburden the system.

[–]canisdormit 0 ポイント1 ポイント

It's not overburdening the system. Especially when it's children who can live a long, productive life paying taxes. That's actually a net gain in tax revenue.

[–][deleted] 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I hope so. In the long term investing in education is good, but at $10,000 per student per year that has to be paid each year there's a point where she short term effects aren't worth it.

[–]canisdormit -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

And where do you get this $10k a year? I think you might be pulling shit out of your ass. My tuition and housing at an accredited university here was less than that for a year.

[–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Does that shock you? $10,000 per student is in the ballpark of what education costs per student per year. In New York or DC it's twice that. For universities, many of them are heavily subsidized by the state as well. It's why Baylor costs twice as much as A&M. For funding, about 70% of HISD funding comes from local taxes.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html http://www.houstonisd.org/cms/lib2/TX01001591/Centricity/Domain/22921/Budget_BasicsRd2_rev022113b.pdf

[–]canisdormit -1 ポイント0 ポイント

That's all well and good, but your link doesn't give the price per student per year, so in that regard, it's useless.

And we are talking about mostly k-12, not university.

[–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

This says basically the same thing. K-12 spending per pupil by state is a pretty common statistic. It's been the crux of the argument that school funding isn't the problem for years. The way that many of the worst performing schools are the best funded while some of the best schools in similar communities get less than half the funding.

http://febp.newamerica.net/k12/rankings/ppexpend

[–]canisdormit 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Nice, so Texas (2010) comes in with an average of $11,100 *"Per-pupil spending—which includes funding from federal, state, and local sources" per year.

$144,300 per pupil per high school education.

$30,229 per year earnings of High school Diploma only (25-64yr olds) *U.S. Census Bureau, 2008-10

$4,115 per year in federal income tax.

So, 35 years to pay enough federal income tax to pay for a high school education, be an average student, and get an average GED job. But this also means $913,990 in spendable income over the same time period, per person.

I imagine some of that's going to go to rent or home ownership, vehicles, food, clothing, everything else people use/want that causes job need and more taxes (sales, state, local).

35 years the high school diploma pays for itself in taxed income etc. So then you get another 11 years of work. It's fucking unreal how much money we lose by not educating the damn illegals!

[–]OsbyTexasThe Heights -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

You don't want tax dollars going to people who have come here illegally and have never contributed to our tax system. you god damn racist!

[–]moleraticalSpring Branch 2 ポイント3 ポイント

If you want people to contribute to the tax system, one of, if not the, best way to do so would be to provide an education. These are small children, their fully American classmates have yet to contribute to the tax base as well. Contributing taxes is not a pre-requisite for an education.

[–]JuanIgnatowski 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I'm still trying to figure out how tens of thousands of "children" made their way to our border "on foot" and by themselves.

[–]wyattthomasMontrose 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Evidently there is some train involved...Beast they call it? Something of that nature.

[–]r56University of Houston 0 ポイント1 ポイント

The boardwalk beast

[–]JuanIgnatowski -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

The whole thing is very odd and smells rotten. Thousands of children just don't make a 1200 mile trip through Mexico by themselves and show on the border unannounced. Somebody set this up and its probably another Wag The Dog event like everything else.

[–]wyattthomasMontrose 0 ポイント1 ポイント

No idea--just sharing some info that I grazed across the other day. I'm sure its goes well beyond one train and one reason why these families *would suddenly pick up and make such a large journey.

[–]LonghornWelch -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

Obama is intentionally publicizing a loop hole in the law to flood the border, putting our national security, public health, and sovereignty at risk, as a negotiating chip to get his long sought immigration reform plans passed - ultimately for the purpose of changing the composition of the electorate sufficiently to allow the Democrats control of the country for the foreseeable future.

If you do not see this, you are a fucking moron and need to wake the fuck up. You stupid bleeding heart liberals are allowing this country to be destroyed from the inside out.

[–]thechapattackGalleria -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Glad to see so much racism alive in this sub. Jesus Christ