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Palestinian Liberation is a Socialist Concern and Belongs on This Subreddit (self.socialism)

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[–]15rthughesSocialism run by the workers 27 ポイント28 ポイント

THANK YOU. Imperialism is a capitalist plague and if you don't understand why that is you need to study socialism a little more.

[–]mrwigglez 6 ポイント7 ポイント

So Russian imperialism, in the form of the Soviet Union, was an act against Socialism?

[–]UnionistDemocratic Socialist 33 ポイント34 ポイント

I would say so.

[–]mrwigglez 2 ポイント3 ポイント

What about early Kibbutz settlements in Palestine?

[–]UnionistDemocratic Socialist 12 ポイント13 ポイント

Labour Zionism was/is not socialist.

[–]yotama9 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

So, a social organization is not a socialism and the Arab monarch at the time are socialism....

[–]UnionistDemocratic Socialist 20 ポイント21 ポイント

No. Coming onto land that peasants have worked for generations and help sustain them and kicking them off to start a Kibbutz is not socialist. Labour Zionism is the idea of giving Jews preferential treatment for labour. That is not socialist.

And what does monarchy have to do with that?

[–]superiority 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Russian imperialism, in the form of the Soviet Union

Unless you're arguing that capitalism was restored in the Soviet Union in 1956 there's no way I'm taking this seriously.

[–]denversocialist 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Capitalism is not required to form and expand an empire.

[–]Zoto888Impossibilist - Anti-Nationalist 0 ポイント1 ポイント

No, it wasn't restored in 1956. It was there since 1922.

[–]bluegreensamurai -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

Uh...... Imperialism existed long long before capitalism was even invented. That is such an uninformed comment, seems like teenage angst.

[–]15rthughesSocialism run by the workers 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I'm talking about modern day imperialism, not imperialism as an idea, don't be so damn presumptuous.

[–]bluegreensamurai -1 ポイント0 ポイント

What? Modern imperialism is separate from imperialism as an idea?

Neither of your comments here make sense as written. Maybe you should clarify so we won't have to presume or try to guess your intentions.

Capitalism inspires Imperialism? OK - so does nationalism; imperialism is a fundamental enshrined part of Islam so not sure why a socialist would support Palestine in any way. Palestine is as nationalist and capitalist as Israel!

How do you explain the modern imperialism of the USSR and China of the late 20th century, socialist states that took land from other peoples?

Would you support the expansion of a socialist state, an imperialist country freeing the people of the world from the yokes of their capitalist leaders?

[–]15rthughesSocialism run by the workers 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Alright I didn't want to reply to you but I'm bored and have nothing better to do.

Imperialism is not one solid, set in stone ideology. Like most ideas, over a few centuries, they change and take on new meanings. Today's imperialism comes from the push for globalization by capitalists.

Imperialism also isn't just a nation running in to take over another one (even though that's exactly what's going on in Palestine by the way, thought that was obvious) it can also be like what's going on in underdeveloped nations by the economic superpower of the United States. Thailand, Mexico, India, all of these are completely locked under the boot heel of capitalist led globalization.

I think that puts this issue to rest.

[–]JebusGobson 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Imperialism is not one solid, set in stone ideology.

Then why call him presumptuous when he points out that there has been imperialism, one way or another, long before there was capitalism?

You're directly contradicting yourself...

[–]15rthughesSocialism run by the workers 0 ポイント1 ポイント

What the fuck are you talking about? All I was saying was that I wasn't claiming that capitalism invented imperialism.