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[–]MrSnippets 12 ポイント13 ポイント

the tumblr-style 'feminism' has latched onto the movement like a parasite. it's not empowered people fighting for equal treatment, it's just teenagers and obese people bitching about how the world owes them everything.

besides feminism itself, they've run the concept of transgender, otherkin and triggers into the fucking ground. it's so bad that 'feminism' has morphed into a bad word!

these people have done nothing worthwhile for the movement. they use it as their own personal dump, insulting and attacking anyone who doesn't conform to their shitty views. they're no better than the people they despise.they've become the bullies they hate.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント

I completely agree. It's reached the point where even I, a lifelong feminist, scoff and roll my eyes when I hear the word "feminism."

"Bully" is thrown around so quickly these days, meanwhile as you point out the ones throwing it around most are the biggest bullies of all

[–]soldierspoem 23 ポイント24 ポイント

It's also a kind of sad reality that you've had to frame this as a confession to be able to articulate this sort of mentality without being vilified by the tumblrinaction-esque masses.

I happen to agree with this basically 100%, so please don't be discouraged from this attitude because of those loud tweenagers desperately trying to establish themselves as social justice heroes.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント

That's the part the bothers me most there's no room for discussion anymore. If someone wants to disagree with me on any issue I welcome it. If you make good points, maybe I'll change my mind. If not then at least I've seen it from your point of view and can strengthen the argument for my own views.

Social justice types have no logical rationale for their views so they just stick their fingers in their ears and ignore anyone who doesn't agree with them.

I'll never be discouraged from passionately defending equal rights for all. I suppose I just needed to vent because I don't think many in this movement realize or care how detrimental it is to the very causes they claim to be fighting for.

[–]wobbly-wibbly 5 ポイント6 ポイント

The fact that modern "feminists" ( I hate calling them that because it ruins the term) have no desire for open conversation is so infuriating to me. I once went on one of the subreddits for feminism and tried to respond to one of the posts with questions about their stance and alternate views and was immediately attacked from all sides. Feminism is important to me, but calling myself a feminist becomes harder and harder the more these kinds of people ruin the movement.

[–]soldierspoem 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Exactly; so many of these loud people just hide behind their self-justified mask of "I'm more open minded than you so I'm right and you're an evil oppressor!" which means that they just completely shut themselves out to any other viewpoints whatsoever, assuming that we're the ones not worth a reasonable discussion with.

They really don't realise how much this over abundance of label-creating and pandering to ludicrous ideas damages public view of the more prominent, actually oppressed minorities trying desperately to fight their corner.

[–]captainramen -1 ポイント0 ポイント

[–]tattooedjenny 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Feminism should mean wanting women to have the right to make their own choices, about work, marriage, motherhood, etc. Some of these alleged feminists have twisted it into meaning that if you make any choices that they disagree with, you're not a feminist, which is absolutely asinine.

I chose to have kids, and I chose to get married. The whole point of actual feminism is to allow me to make those choices, and allow another woman to make their own choices.

I am wholeheartedly a feminist, but not this bastardized, Tumblr-ized version of feminism that squawks about how I'm not a feminist because I had kids and shave my armpits. That's the same brand of bullshit rhetoric that kept women from being able to vote for so long, just wrapped in a different packaging.

People, regardless of gender, should have the right to make their own life choices, not just choices endorsed by hypocritical snobs who think their choices are the only acceptable ones. That garbage isn't feminism-it's just sociopolitical posturing.

[–]scottevil110 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I believe my biggest problem with feminism is that sadly, a lot of the women I encounter simply do not have the resolve that you have to maintain your own identity.

They've been convinced by the 'extremists' that if they aren't on board with calling themselves a victim in everyday life, then not only are they a bad feminist, they're a bad WOMAN. So otherwise very measured, intelligent women, I now see posting the daily rant of the day about how some man oppressed them by having a job. Like it's some kind of obligation to the gender.

So I applaud and thank you for not letting them get to you.

[–]AudreyDeux 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I'm frankly glad that feminism that would only cater to white middle/upperclass, straight, cis gendered, able-bodied women is in the past. So long and good riddance.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

What are you talking about? When has feminism ever been restricted to middle and upper class white straight women?

[–]BabalonRising 5 ポイント6 ポイント

It isn't just shrill "social justice" types - people from all sorts of ideological backgrounds have bought into professional victimhood.

In actuality, it is a form of aggression for people without the stones for dominating others more overtly. Because that is the intent - social dominance by way of being as pitiable as possible.

Whether it be right-wing churchies who are part of the mainstream (but don't get everything they want), through to first world middle-class white women (who in certain age brackets are now doing better than men!) - they all want us to weep and adore before them, at their imagined crucifixion.

It's pathetic. But apparently that is the point.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

You make a very good point. The victim mentality is spread across many different groups. I suppose the reason it bothers me more with those in the equal rights movements is because we used to be the logical ones. Now we're reaching the same levels of insanity and even surpassing some of the other "victim" groups

[–]Yoda7 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Maybe "we" weren't as logical as we thought we were.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Treating everyone equally and guaranteeing equal legal rights for everyone regardless of race, gender or sexuality seems pretty logical to me. The whiners and those seeking special rights still existed but they weren't taken seriously.

[–]Yoda7 0 ポイント1 ポイント

What changed then?

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

See my original post.

[–]oconnor15 5 ポイント6 ポイント

as a fellow feminist who feels the same way, thank you for speaking out

[–]socrates115 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I think you are letting yourself be bothered by small time BS, its like people who get all angry about people scamming welfare when it helps the majority of people on it.

Those tumblr people are a small portion of it. Its never really changed either I mean if you look back to the 70s and 80s and 90s they had radical feminists back then as well. I mean look at "Married with Children" to see an example of spoofing of them.

Yes there are annoying people in the movements, but I dont think they are anywhere near the majority. People just like to get righetous and angry about stuff. "Radical feminism" and that otherkin bullshit on tumblr doesnt really affect my life in any meaningful way. Im sure it doesnt for the majority of people who say they are annoyed by it. Yeah its annoying but it doesnt really affect your life and its giving them a bad image of feminsm and equal rights movements as a whole. That is I guess the shitty part but thats more on people getting all angry. I have never heard of that bullshit anywhere but reddit really. Im on tumblr and Ive never seen shit like that. And honestly there are no real counter arguments to gay marriage. You dont have to give the stupid side equal time. There should be no equal time for people who think evolution is a "theory". All the stuff you are pointing out is stuff you saw on reddit or the internet. Maybe you need to get off the computer a while and talk to real people and ask them about this stuff. Its a vocal minority that can easily be ignored.

and from reading more of what you said I have to be honest Im getting a real r/asablackman vibe off of this.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

It's not just tumblr. Look at the yesallwomen thing, that was all over the place. Or trash sites like buzzfeed or gawker which unfortunately some people take seriously.

As for what I said about gay marriage, I personally support it and don't see any logical reasons against it, but I was making the point that shouting someone down doesn't accomplish anything. I've personally changed several people's minds about gay marriage when the topic has come up, simply by having a civil conversation with them and discussing the issues. Apparently it's necessary to mention those have been real life conversations. You know, off the computer.

[–]Real_Velour 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Well written. A good read. I couldn't find anything to disagree with really you are right on the money.

[–]bidane 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I completely agree with you. As an LGBT person (specifically B) I worry that these radical nonsense-spewing social justice warriors are only going to set us back. People of all sexualities should have equal rights, but when we are lumped in with folks that claim to have several otherkin headmates that non-binary, I think the people that are on the fence in regarding to acceptance of minorities are just going to brush it off as ridiculous ranting from teenagers that are mentally ill. Not to mention the white, middle-class, ugg-wearing, tumblr-posting, daddy's-money-spending, Starbuck's-drinking girls crying about how opressed they are, living in a first world country with their biggest worries being about the color of their new dress.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just tired of these people hijacking movements that were truly fighting for equality, and turning them into sexist and racist clusterfucks that scream oppresion whenever they are faced with a problem.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I couldn't agree with this more. I also fall under the LGBT umbrella myself and these are the types of things that turn off those who are on the fence. I've been accused of lying whenever I've used this example, but I can think of minimally 5 people off the top of my head who held what you could call bigoted views and changed their mind after I had a civil conversation with them, answered their questions and explained where I was coming from. That doesn't happen when an otherkin with headmates who created their own sexuality stomps their feet and screams at someone what "cis scum" they are. That just sends those on the fence running even further away

[–]daylight 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Feminism is such a loaded phrase nowadays only because it encompasses so many viewpoints and waves.

Look at feminism like a religion. Yes, there are extremists, but does that completely undermine its value to you?

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント

That's my point, feminism has become like a religion or cult and it's being controlled by the extremists.

Take the Republican Party for example. Republicans used to stand for limited government, limited spending, and basically just keeping the government out of our lives. Along came the tea party and religious extremists and they took control of the party. The same can be said for the democrats and the extreme left. Or Christianity and the gay bashers.

People who used to associate themselves with those groups have been running away in droves since the extremists took control. The same is now happening with equal rights movements.

Feminism and equal rights should not be treated like or thought of like a religion. If there's anything that should encompass every part of society, it's equal rights. Instead the extremists are multiplying and pushing the rest of us out

Edit: and beside pushing us out, they're making it infinitely more difficult for us to make any headway because now were not only metaphorically fighting against the real bigots of society, were fighting against those who claim to want the same thing as we do

[–]daylight 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Your example works for the Republican party, but no one can really "take control" of feminism. In this internet age, everyone virtually has an equal voice on issues like feminism. We are only seeing more misinformed people discussing it because more people are discussing it in a global forum.

Also, feminism definitely should not be treated like a religion, I only meant it to contextualize the extremist example.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント

The popular view of feminism and equal rights movements are that they all fall under the same umbrella. Whether that's true or not is irrelevant as that's how we're seen by the general public. When you have the extremists front and center, the extremist views represented in the media, and these public witch hunts, it gives the impression to the general public that that's how we all are. The logical voices are drowned out in favor of the extremists, turning off those who may agree with us but don't want to participate in the lunacy.

As for the internet, more and more feminists and equal rights groups are turning into circlejerks. Any view or opinion that differs even slightly from the majority is shouted down/blocked/banned and the like. This again gives the impression that we're all extremists and it encourages the cult-like view that anything we disagree with must be automatically dismissed and that we should only surround ourselves with people who agree with us entirely

[–]init2winito1o2 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I have a new word for you. Egalitarian. throw it around a little bit. try it out, see how you like it. If you aren't satisfied with the results you can bring it back within a lifetime and try out a new one.

[–]LukeRhinehart34 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Thank you for this post

[–]captainramen 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I'm for equal treatment of people regardless of the color of their skin. Does that make me a civil rights activist? If it were 1950 then yes. But today? Today's civil rights activists seem to be about corporate slave reparations or similar nonsense. The movement has left you behind because it (largely) succeeded, yet still needs to exist.

This seems to be a bug (feature?) of our american culture, specifically the obsession with the individual. I'm unique! I'm my own boss, man! I'm a special snowflake (no, you're not). No one wants to conform. I'm afraid it's only going to get worse as time goes on.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

You make a valid point. A few years back I probably considered myself more a civil rights activist, feminist, gay rights activist, etc. more than I do today. I still hold all those same beliefs, but as you pointed out these movements have been succeeding and continue to succeed. I suppose that may be part of what drives me crazy about the victim mentality. We've been winning, the general public largely agrees with equal rights for all and the courts are catching up. How are you a victim?

The funny thing is, by everyone proclaiming themselves these special little snowflakes, they're not so unique anymore. They're conforming.

[–]terrortot -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

thank you for this rare bit of sanity.

Twenty years ago I could call myself tolerant and a liberal. Now I am more humane and thoughtful of my fellow man, and yet I find myself fighting against a rising tide of foolishness.

[–]Drunky_Brewster -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

You are not a feminist and you're not complaining about feminism you're bitching about human rights.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

By today's standards, you're right I probably wouldn't be considered feminist because I don't see myself as a victim.

As I said in the title and explained in further detail in my post, I'm disgusted both with modern feminism and social justice in general.

I'm not sure I follow your claim that I'm bitching about human rights. Care to elaborate?

[–]specialsnowflake6 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I used to be part of the tumblr feminist group. and then I grew out of it. I agree with you 100% and being just graduated high school (middle class - upper middle class, pretty shelter from actual social issues) I can day that this mentality is very popular among students. In our classes we learned about classism (there are actually people who don't know anything about it other thanthe 1% is evil) and they don't care about it once they know they're part of the oppresing group.

I hope this can bring some comfort that there are girls out there that think like you and me and hopefully the others will learn to grow out of it as soon as they face the real world

[–]junior457 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I agree completely with the point of your message. My only comment or question is as a self professed member of these "groups" which you no longer feel comfortable in, which you belonged to for years, doesn't that mean you are somewhat responsible for what this has become? Perhaps it wasn't your intention but if you have been member or participant for so many years, did you not participate in what spawned this? Just curious into your perspective on that.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I generally like to think of myself as an independent thinker and not part of any group mentality, it was just the best way I felt I could articulate myself. But I held and hold most of the same viewpoints as many of the moderate and logical equal rights proponents.

I don't think I personally participated in what it's become today, if I did I'd take responsibility for it. I've always been very vocal, even pre-social media, about how counter productive the extremist views are, how we should try to change minds rather than name call and shout people down, and how important it is to consider all viewpoints. A few years ago I could have civil conversations about it but recently it's just fallen on deaf ears and I'm dismissed as a bigot.

[–]junior457 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question. If you don't mind a follow up question can you share for me your personal view/opinion of the recent Hobby Lobby decision.

[–]Myvagisnotoppressed[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

No problem. As for the hobby lobby thing, personally I think contraception should be covered by insurance particularly when it's prescribed by a doctor. From a legal standpoint though, it's important to protect the choices of private businesses and people's religious beliefs, whether I agree with it or not. We have the choice whether to frequent those businesses, and I choose not to

[–]BeatMastaD 1 ポイント2 ポイント

That's like saying that every US soldier is responsible for US foreign policy.

[–]junior457 0 ポイント1 ポイント

First nobody is saying anything, it was a question that was asked, not a statement.

Second your analogy makes no sense. Being a member of a movement for several decades as the OP states, is nothing similar to being a soldier. I fail to see any parallel between the two.

[–]BeatMastaD 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Just because you don't understand the parallel doesn't mean it's not there. just because someone is involved in a movement doesn't make them responsible for every action of the movement.