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Grandfather's Inheritance - SafeDeposit - Feds want it all (self.personalfinance)

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[–]G_O_B_Bluth -34 ポイント-33 ポイント

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I don't have much help for you but I will offer the unpopular opinion that the money belongs to nobody but your grandfather. Of course the government lays claim to it because if he was born in their territory, they claim ownership of his labor.

Maybe he didn't want to fund some of the more treacherous things the government does... I wouldn't blame him. Personally, I pay taxes to avoid situations like these because if you don't pay, they will come knocking, and if you don't pay up or go into their cage, they will take you forcibly regardless of whether you agreed to their taxes or voted for them against them or not at all.

Good luck OP, I'm sorry you have to deal with this.

[–]gmz_88 15 ポイント16 ポイント

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Ain't that cute, but it's wrong.

I hope you are trolling, for the sake of our society.

If you are not kidding you need to get some basic education on how taxes work. Seriously dude, you can't be a grown ass adult and have these nonsensical world views.

[–]kowalski10 10 ポイント11 ポイント

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What did he state that was wrong?

Taxes fund the government. You are required to pay taxes. If you end up owing a significant amount of taxes and refuse to pay, you can be jailed. Personal political disagreement with a law, code or representative cannot be used as justification for failing to pay a tax.

Or maybe we're going to get into the whole 'social contract' thing which is the rationalization used, but still a rationalization.

[–]gmz_88 2 ポイント3 ポイント

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the money belongs to nobody but your grandfather.

I thought that this was the part that was wrong. The other things he/she said are technically correct i guess.

[–]heterosapian 0 ポイント1 ポイント

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It does belong to his grandfather. It will be taken by his/his grandfather's government. There is a reason why a tax return is not called a tax gift.

[–]die_civ_scum 4 ポイント5 ポイント

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Do you even know what a tax return is? It money you payed beyond your tax obligation that is given back to you because you didn't owe it to the government. It would be called a gift if they were paying you back money that you owed them.

[–]heterosapian 1 ポイント2 ポイント

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So you then ascertain that really any money one earns pre-tax belongs to the government? This is the only way you could stay logically consistent considering money payed beyond the imposed obligation is variable due to various kinds of deductions that are unknown prior to the taxed individual informing the government.

[–]die_civ_scum -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

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What do you think the word "ascertain" means?

[–]heterosapian 2 ポイント3 ポイント

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Completely unrelated and I'm not sure why I wrote that - perhaps because I commented early in the morning and English is not my first language - but thanks for the correction. I'd imagine you should be able to have understood in context that I meant something more like posit.

[–]die_civ_scum -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

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I can't really say I see a coherent point in that post. Why would all pre-tax income belong to the government simply because a portion of it is owed to it? Tax returns exist because people don't exactly calculate their end of year tax obligation and put that as 1/12 of their monthly withholding.

[–]YourShoelaceIsUntied 0 ポイント1 ポイント

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He didn't explicitly say anything wrong. His wording implies he views being part of (and contributing to) a society as burdensome. Loser probably tugs off to Atlas Shrugged.

[–]kowalski10 3 ポイント4 ポイント

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Jaded by massive corruption, maybe? I know I personally see a disconnect between tax money used for, say, Medicaid and tax money used to overthrow foreign governments for the convenience of multinational corporations.

[–]s1337m 9 ポイント10 ポイント

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you're on reddit, lower your expectations accordingly

[–]Dachstein -1 ポイント0 ポイント

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This country is something called a democracy. That's where we all collectively decide how to be taxed and what the money is to be used for. Taxes are not optional things that you shouldn't have to pay if you don't personally agree with them.

[–]That_Russian_Guy 12 ポイント13 ポイント

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That's where we all collectively decide how to be taxed and what the money is to be used for.

This isn't actually true. In a representative democracy you simply vote for the person who shares your views and hope that he will support your tax views. This often does not happen. When was the last time you voted on what percentage tax you should pay?

[–]craigiest 0 ポイント1 ポイント

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Seems like every election there's a bond issue on the ballot for schools or parks or public transportation. They never never let me vote on the stuff I'd vote against though.