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RIP in Peace, Rape Horse (self.TwoBestFriendsPlay)

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http://realestmatt.tumblr.com/post/91678166163/yo-matt-im-not-trying-to-be-censorship-simon-or

End of an era.

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[–]deviousshadowI Promise Nothing And Deliver Less 9 ポイント10 ポイント

Follow up from Pat

[–]PlagueOfGripes 15 ポイント16 ポイント

Glad it's not me. I'm the kind of person that will bring it up even more, to intentionally bother others if I think they're getting upset over something not worth getting upset about.

[–]a_flying_couger 5 ポイント6 ポイント

You're the best plague.

[–]mike0dudeWhen's Reboot! 11 ポイント12 ポイント

Goodbye Rape Horse , i'm flying over you~~~

[–]ripperhugmeFrom the Infraworld, David is watching 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Duh duh duh duuuuuuuh...

[–]MochachocakonZubaz 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Bum buh buh Buh bum Buh Buh

[–]Khal_Pilkington 13 ポイント14 ポイント

My mom died of a cocaine overdose when I was thirteen years old. Drug use in movies makes me uncomfortable. Do I petition for movies not to feature drug use? No. I'm personally uncomfortable with it because of my own experience, but that shouldn't detract or dictate other people, because I'm an adult and can handle life involving things that make me mildly uncomfortable for a bit.

I understand people being uncomfortable with rape jokes, I absolutely, totally do, but the fact is the rape horse jokes aren't about rape. If I remember, the horse didn't even actually rape someone. The jokes are about absurdity, about outlandishness.

What this is is people offended at the WORD rape, and I'm sorry but if the use of a word, regardless of context, can make you feel this distraught, then you're not going to have an easy time in the world.

What if someone had a father who suffered with illiteracy his entire life, and it was the source of terrible trauma? Should they stop making jokes about Woolie not being able to read?

What if someone had a brother who was killed in a highschool football game? Should they stop joking about that guy Woolie killed?

What if someone was stalked and creeped on by a person with a camera, should Matt stop zooming in on Liam's crotch?

What if someone was abused as a child by someone who, before the abuse, would announce loudly "CAN YOU FEEL THE STORM?"

This is just silly to me and it really upsets me.

Now I'll prepare for 10,000 downvotes.

[–]shiny_dunsparceThat's goin on the list 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Welcome to the overly-sensitive world of tumblr SJWs. There is literally someone in this thread that said making a joke about a rape horse in a manga is worse than a joke about a man who murdered is wife and child and then killed himself.

[–]ViruszeroDon't mistake my optimism for naivete -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Really? Someone asking politely, not yelling or demanding, but politely asking that they try not to mention it as much is being overly sensitive and makes him a SJW (which by the way is a fucking retarded term)? Matt didn't even like when they did it, but no this guys overly sensitive. Maybe instead of everyone just sucking it up about everything they can do what this guy did and try to have civil conversation about it but I guess that's being overly sensitive so I dont know.

[–]Khal_Pilkington 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Asking a performer to edit their material to suit their personal preference is being overly sensitive, yes.

[–]ViruszeroDon't mistake my optimism for naivete -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

"Yo matt, I'm not trying to be Censorship Simon or anything but, me and some of my friends have been getting super from all the rapehorse gags in the show. Like it's becoming sort of a running gag and it's hella uncomfortable for some of my friends." At what point in that sentence is he asking Matt to tell them to stop? And you know what No it's not, especially if they're as in touch with their fans as 2BFP are. As long as you're not being unreasonable with the request and you just want to say "I love what you do, this single thing though is kinda bleh to me" is voicing an opinion. People who see someone voice an opinion and say "Oh stop being so sensitive!" are dicks. We are allowed to have opinions and to voice them.

[–]Ejak2021Hey Budman 7 ポイント8 ポイント

I always cringe when I hear my roommate talk about "raping" on CS. But I always laugh at Rape Horse. It's unintentionally funny because it's bizarre and--I assume--out of the blue; not because rape is funny.

But, Matt et. al. have their own sensibilities and they also do the channel as a job (and I guess they still have Machinima). SBF is not family friendly by any means, but it seems like they've always had a mind for being PC with regards to some matters. They always point out casual racism in old games.

Pat's accidental pedo moments are the best, though. And "Bring Back Benoit" is basically the 2BF version of "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong."

It seems more like a personal line that they feel uncomfortable dancing around. As long as they don't become unilaterally PC, I expect to be a happy fan.

Edit: To add to my post: How fucking funny were The Simpsons and Futurama? And, they were way more family friendly the guys ever will be.

[–]J_G_Higashikata 5 ポイント6 ポイント

It's unintentionally funny because it's bizarre and--I assume--out of the blue

Sir or Madam, let me tell you about Berserk...it is an extremely long manga witch has some of the MOST fucked up shit ever thought up by man. The manga is filled with rape, child murder, rape, horrifying violence, rape, and murder-rape. And, at some point, a horse, attempts to rape somebody. It is not a happy time.

[–]Ejak2021Hey Budman 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I really enjoyed Grave of the Fireflies and Barefoot Gen, so I'd probably enjoy it. Eventually I'll get around to reading/watching this stuff the Zaibatsu talks about: Jojo, A Serbian Film, Dorm Invasions...

[–]NickRude 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I think this does a disservice to Berserk. There is a ton going on and sexual violence is an element to that world, but your comment makes it sound unrelenting. Berserk has many light and even touching moments as well. I just don't want to turn anyone away from Berserk by letting them think its a merciless rape fest.

[–]CC_ER 8 ポイント9 ポイント

One last time, the theme of Rape Horse. RIP.

[–]woundedonkeyBarf Party! 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Yes well fox news tells me that dark souls turns people into murderers and since I knew somebody that died once I'm going to need the super best friends to stop playing video games because it makes me uncomfortable.

I'm not trying to be a censorship stanley of course.

[–]ShoryukenFTW 7 ポイント8 ポイント

The last time they mentioned Rape Horse, it was in the podcast methinks, Matt told them pretty sternly to "stop talking about that, there is so much more to Berserk than that" and they seemed to take notice of that, because they immediately dropped it. That really struck me, because demeaning and mocking THAT ONE THING in something he clearly doesn't know much about, mostly comics, is something Matt does a whole lot. So, maybe the PC-police is not the only reason for the burial of Rape Horse, but is a valid one if it really makes people THAT uncomfortable. It's a shame though, I liked the gag.

[–]ShrubConradKenpachi-RamaSama 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Nah it was in the last part of the Bezerk playthrough when Skull knight rides up. Liam brings it up and Matt says to knock it off. I think it is cool. Too many Youtube personalities get hung up on 2edgy4me humor so it is good to see the best friends moving away from cheap rape jokes.

[–]FomorianKingAlso, you're fuckin' dead. 17 ポイント18 ポイント

An SJW on tumblr. How unexpected.

[–]SeligsuperShockmaster 5 ポイント6 ポイント

People that don't like the mention of rape. How unexpected.

[–]shiny_dunsparceThat's goin on the list 2 ポイント3 ポイント

The same kind of asshats that bullied Penny Arcade over a comic

[–]grapeykinsHitomi J-Cup 9 ポイント10 ポイント

This is the kind of stuff that sets TBFP apart from pretty much every other Let's Play I've had the (dis)pleasure of running into. Much respect, guys. I for one really appreciate that you're sensitive to the experiences of your fans rather than overprotective of a gag.

[–]TheCoffinFly[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I guess the Best Friends should stop joking about Chris Benoit to be sensitive to the experiences of fans who are victims of domestic abuse. I guess Pat should stop joking about crack to be sensitive to the experiences of fans who are struggling with substance abuse. I guess Matt should stop talking about Berserk altogether because of how much gratuitous physical and sexual violence is featured.

BRING BACK RAPE HORSE

[–]grapeykinsHitomi J-Cup 5 ポイント6 ポイント

You treat the word "sensitive" as if it's dirty somehow. Anyway, I'm not interested in your slippery slope argument. Matt decided to respect this person's request, and seemed to echo the sentiment himself. The end. And hey, should someone directly approach them on the subject of any of those other things, that's something they'll have to decide on for themselves as well. They're adults, man, they can handle making that kind of informed decision.

That being said, I think even you would have to admit the mention of Chris Benoit probably isn't quite as universal a trigger as rape.

[–]VeritableFuryPargon Pargon Pargon Pargon Pargon -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

Exactly. I'm glad both Matt and part of the fandom are aware of it. I myself felt kinda bothered when I heard it, but I didn't want to complain or point it out because I didn't want to be "That Guy." I tried doing that on a GG episode once and got chewed the FUCK out.

[–]RandomPersonaFan 8 ポイント9 ポイント

just so you know, if that bothers you, never read berserk or tenjo tenge. its a bit backwards that you got chewed out, but since its a canon part of the storyline, I can understand people defending its; its not like they pulled that joke out of their ass, its just a part of a manga they love

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    [–]RandomPersonaFan 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    oh my bad, i completely missed the GG. was just bringing those manga up because they are things the best friends have mentioned that may or may not include instances of rape

    [–]danthemanjrTHE ORIGAMI KILLER 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    It's a losing war

    There's always someone out there that has a trigger or something they get upset about. But these people are never in the wrong, they can't see why it's their fault for not moving on, being the more responsible person and not getting upset. Instead they have to fly off the handle and yell until they get their way

    I'm a bit disappointed with the best friend brigade on this. They seemed to have had a good head on their shoulders before all this. Especially when they always do what they want on their channel

    You can take a look at another youtuber called BroTeam. He had a hard time with a lot of hateful muslims when Broteam made fun of Muhammed. He proceeded to not care and continued doing what he wanted with his channel and in the end nothing changed. It was just a few radical maniacs that yelled to get what they wanted

    [–]ViruszeroDon't mistake my optimism for naivete 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Did you read the post? Like did you read any part of it? What part did he fly off the handle or yell? When did he threaten or say that he'd boycott or stop watching or anything? If you can find it i'd love to see it. He shared a distaste he had, that Matt shares btw, but apparently that's flying off the handle.

    [–]Khal_Pilkington 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    Oh for fucks sake.

    [–]ShiftyFish64 5 ポイント6 ポイント

    First time I've ever been legitimately disappointed in TBFP. To change what you find funny or what you enjoy because it offends a ridiculously small amount of your fanbase for no legitimate reason sends a bad message. We live in a culture where people feel it's their right to be offended, that it makes them somehow special, and that anyone who offends them should change who they are to please them.

    You're never going to please everyone all of the time. If people want to be over-sensitive and be offended over a simple word, then that's their problem and no one else's.

    [–]AniManga21 5 ポイント6 ポイント

    I'm gonna miss you, Rape Horse. Your theme on the podcast was the hardest I laughed in a long while.

    [–]korko 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    I think people enjoy being offended.

    [–]Drachri93Slightly Whiter Woolie 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    It's all SJWs have to get off to, seeing as how they all hate the dirty cismen.

    [–]Human_SackCharles Barkley 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    The SJWs won

    [–]grapeykinsHitomi J-Cup 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    I know a bunch of people are going to make comments to this effect, and there's always the chance you are being facetious, but come on. A person very respectfully approached Matt and asked if the Zaibatsu could tone down a joke due to their personal experiences with the subject of rape, and Matt had the basic decency to act on it. Hell, he even admitted to not being a fan of the joke himself.

    I really hope people haven't become so jaded and knee-jerk that they are confusing empathy with "censorship". Trauma triggers are actually a real thing. It's not something tumblr just made up, even if some people treat them a bit too frivolously. Matt did the good thing, guise.

    [–]ChaoticTuxedo 8 ポイント9 ポイント

    I'm a victim of sexual abuse. If they were constantly making rape jokes that they pulled out of their ass - fine, then I get it. But this is a thing that exists and I can probably count on one hand the amount of times it's been mentioned at all. They're not constantly going "lolrape" or "Hey bro, gonna rape ya, watch out!" I get being sensitive, because I want that too. But there is such a thing as being over-sensitive from time to time.

    [–]grapeykinsHitomi J-Cup 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    It's a personal judgement. You saw no problem with it, others with a similar history did. I totally respect where you're coming from considering your personal experience. I'm just saying that nobody should call foul over Matt (and Pat now, it seems) conceding that they don't feel the joke is worth the potential of impacting some of their fans negatively.

    [–]ChaoticTuxedo 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    I understand, I just hope this doesn't become a regular thing, is all. I really hate the term "SJW" like a lot of people, I just really don't want them to start constantly watching their language. I like the laid-back nature and don't want to lose that.

    And thanks for the respectfulness.

    [–]NoirMagieGateau 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    Trauma triggers are a real thing, but trigger warnings are lame as hell. I an empathetic, but you can not expect the world to cater to the abused. Simple as that. Everyone takes offense to something, and everyone has had some weird shit go down in their life. Maybe not as traumatic as rape, but smells, sights, phrases can trigger bad memories to some degree for everyone. It's stupid to try and neuter everything for the sake of avoiding one person being butthurt.

    [–]5exual_Tyrannosaurus 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Sure. But when you run a YouTube channel with literally dozens of people watching you kinda have to be a little more empathetic about these kinds of things. People come to these videos for enjoyment.

    [–]NoirMagieGateau 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    People also find any reason to complain and be happy. You appeal to the majority, not the minority. Also they "literally" have more than dozens. Unless you mean hundreds of dozens.

    [–]grapeykinsHitomi J-Cup 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    I think you are kinda taking this out of proportion. TBFP isn't "neutered" by discarding a throwaway gag, nor will the majority suffer in the absence of rape horse. Trust me. It'll be fine. Matt (and Pat) weighed their options, made a personal assessment and decided they prefer not to impact a subset of their viewers negatively if it can be helped. Some willing consideration is really not that big an imposition, and it doesn't set some kind of dangerous precedent. The guys will do whatever they feel most comfortable with.

    You know, it's not entirely unlike that time when they released their first JoJo All-Star Battle video and later amended it with some corrections to things they had gotten wrong. They really had no obligation to make those corrections, or write that public apology, but they felt most comfortable with doing that anyway. The most fundamental difference is probably that this request about toning down the joke was a lot less incendiary than the response to that JoJo video.

    All in all, my impression of the Zaibatsu is that they're a bunch of good dudes who want to do right by people. I think that's something to be commended.

    [–]NoirMagieGateau -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    No.

    [–]IounDo not taunt Happy Fun Time Pat -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    "You have to appeal to the majority" - but who is the majority? Is it people who actively like that one gag, people who don't care or don't get it, or is there a silent majority of people who winced every time the joke was made?

    [–]RieldifyEveryone's Penis Gets Big Now! 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    I give my life, not for honor, but for youuuuu

    [–]shiny_dunsparceThat's goin on the list 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Yo matt, I'm not trying to be Censorship Simon

    -but ya kinda did

    Instead of just not watching / listening to something that offends them, they ask the 'offender' to change instead. How nice of them.

    [–]chuckster_oceanTHE HYPEST GAMEPLAY ON YOUTUBE -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

    I understand the sentiment and whole heartedly agree with Matt and now Pat's actions. What I am generally curious about is where people should draw the line when it comes to humor. I mean as society becomes more open to other life styles , more people will speak out,and more people accept their true selves. These brave souls will deal with the adversity from it. Many people are sensitive to many different things, how can one( especially a bunch of dorks on the internet) make a joke which everyone can laugh at. I laugh at the Chris Beniot mainly because of how the wwe handled it. I am well aware if the atrocity he committed and it saddens me that it occurred. I wonder what humor will be like in the eventual new world of tolerance and acceptance.

    [–]Drachri93Slightly Whiter Woolie 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    I wonder what humor will be like in the eventual new world of tolerance and acceptance.

    Nonexistent.