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Boston Bombing Possible False Flag? (imgur.com)

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[–]callmesnake13 80 ポイント81 ポイント

This "crisis actors" thing is the most harebrained horseshit in the history of conspiracy theories. It is literally one inch away from "holographic moon" theory. People who talk seriously about things like crisis actors make it so much easier for sane people to dismiss actual, verifiable conspiracies.

[–]shmegegy 5 ポイント6 ポイント

The mainstream news reported on Urban Shield saying they used amputee actors from Strategic Operations in their hyper-real first responder inoculation training. It's plain as day that they do use them for drills, in Boston. Care to reconsider?

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

Urban Shield saying they used amputee actors from Strategic Operations

They do this shit in all kinds of training and it isn't even remotely a secret. Before my friend got into the prop union in LA he helped stage a fake IED bombing for training marines complete with a fetus bursting out of a pregnant woman. He's about the least top secret guy in the entire world. So no I don't care to reconsider because you're the one making the psychotic leap here from "the government uses sophisticated training scenarios" to "the government stages tragedies for _____". Give me some actual documentation - not youtube videos, not some paranoid nerd's photos with big crazy colorful circles and arrows. Give me something, in print, that proves this is happening.

[–]sterling_mallory [score hidden]

The mainstream news reported

Funny how the mainstream news seems to only be a credible source when it suits people's purposes.

Care to reconsider?

No. Stop disrespecting people who experienced a traumatic event.

[–]Baumannslegs -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

The shills really love attacking the crisis actor theory. Looks like we've hit another nerve.

[–]purplepansy11 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Oh yeah, you've got them now.

[–]Baumannslegs -1 ポイント0 ポイント

It's interesting to see what brings the brigades out.

edit: its to it's

[–]purplepansy11 [score hidden]

It's

[–]Baumannslegs [score hidden]

Edited. I'm sure glad you caught that.

Seriously though, if you have a spare minute, you should look at some of the work done by David Mcgowan on this topic. He's not delusional or an idiot, he writes intelligently and concisely and has put together a pretty destructive criticism of the official narrative.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr114.html

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

It's not brigading, I subscribe here and read most of the stuff. The crisis actor theory is one that I just find particularly obnoxious and not even amusing like some of the other stupid ones. It's callous and idiotic and you should be ashamed for being party to something so absurd.

[–]Baumannslegs [score hidden]

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr114.html

Here, David Mcgowan has put together what was my introduction to the crisis actor theory as a real possibility. Before that I believed it was troglodyte nonsense as well. In Mcgowan's work, as well as a few other mediums, I have now seen compelling evidence that has convinced me crisis actors were used at the bombing.

[–]sterling_mallory [score hidden]

It's actually the people who genuinely believe in truth and transparency, and hate that conspiracy theorists all get lumped together whether they believe in something legitimate or they believe the world is secretly run by subterranean alien lizards. The crisis actor theory is pretty much on par with subterranean alien lizards, and it makes rational conspiracy theorists look bad.

[–]Lhabs 12 ポイント13 ポイント

Exactly. I was getting into this shit actually starting to maybe just maybe think there was some truth to it and then I saw the fucking actor shit. I mean I can distinguish that those are different people pretty easily. Its a shame because it completely discredits the persons opinion considering if they believe that then they must not have very good discernment.

[–]callmesnake13 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Just think about the logistics of our stupid, ineffective, boring government getting hundreds of actors and faking something like that in front of thousands of people. And somehow nobody blows the whistle. America is fucking horrible at espionage and always has been.

There's one solidly shady thing about Boston, and it's that friend/accomplice getting killed while essentially in custody in Florida. Focus entirely on that, and don't bother making up X-Files garbage.

[–]tinyroom 3 ポイント4 ポイント

they don't need "hundreds" of actors.

just a few for "good"/shocking photos

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

They need a handful of actors and then entire cities worth of people who are willing to lie in order to go an absurd length to achieve very little for the government. You want this to be true so badly that you're believing something that would A) be impossible to pull off, and B) not even be worthwhile to pull off were it possible.

[–]tinyroom [score hidden]

no, nobody is claiming they need to fake the whole thing.

The crisis actor is simply about getting "shocking" photos. They don't need more than a couple actors

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

These "staged" shocking photos are happening in the middle of a bunch of people where an explosion just happened in a crowd of people in an era where everyone over the age of ten years old has a camera. What you're suggesting is ridiculous.

[–]tinyroom [score hidden]

There is obviously the possibility of genuine victims being photographed, but if you were the editor of a newspaper magazine would you chose a picture of someone just a bit stressed or one where the victim is crying and desperate?

Notice how the magazine editor has no connection with the "conspiracy" itself, but if you are planning a false flag attack, you need it to have maximum coverage and grab the attention of the population as much as possible.

Planting a few actors to increase the shock value is only logical.

If you can't understand the notion that an attack with very few/no casualties wouldn't make as big as an impact as another with plenty of people, then we aren't having the same conversation.

[–]Coheebuzz 2 ポイント3 ポイント

And why do you think the pentagon employs 3.2 MILLION people? Or that's also a lie because it's logistically impossible?

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

Are you actually retarded? I don't want to argue with you because I'd feel bad. Walmart employs 2.2 million people, imagine the conspiracies they could enact! Oh wait, they are! They just are boring ones involving legislature and not cloak and dagger X-Files shit.

[–]oblivioustoobvious 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Thinking the government is too incompetent is a fallacy. Especially when the government has shown organized competence (Manhattan project, moon landing).

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

It's also a fallacy to equate what we're imagining here to those two examples. There are scores of very public failures of United States espionage that aren't one hundredth as sophisticated as what is being suggested here.

[–]stephen89 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The government is far from stupid, ineffective, and boring. The fact that you think that means they are doing what they do best, lie to the people.

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

Yes, yes, they are. One of the biggest failures of many conspiracy theories is that they require the government to be conveniently hopeless or massively sophisticated in order to further the theory. In this case we've apparently decided that the government is sophisticated enough to hire hundreds of crisis actors (and related administration, logistics, etc.) who all keep secrets perfectly. At the same time it's not quite sophisticated enough to get different ones for multiple crises in order to withstand fucking youtube scrutiny, or do some basic special effects makeup to make the old lady bloody. Use your head. There are plenty of conspiracies at work with actual, tangible, documented evidence out there. They just aren't as exciting or complex to keep you guys interested or feeling secure in your paranoid world view. We should focus on those.

[–]stephen89 1 ポイント2 ポイント

1) No you can't tell they are different people easily, the lighting and angles are different, they are pretty damn similar and could very easily be the same person.

2) Having one invalid point in an argument and debate does not instantly negate your whole argument.

3) Why are you trying so hard to disprove this? Do you trust your government so much?

[–]daybreakx 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Thank you! I actually stopped being an avid conspiracy theorist after this one incident in LA, where the police stormed LAX and shut it down to deal with a "terrorist" threat. They interviewed this one man at the scene (on multiple news shows) and the internet quickly realized it was identical to the man interview on 9/11! Such great work!

However that man was actually my brothers teacher in Los Angeles at an art school and a good friend to him. And has never been to New York in his life. After that though people were CONVINCED, they tracked him down, found his address and phone number. Then began harassing him AND his family constantly. Sending death threats to his "fake wife" and threatening to raid his home. For an entire week he was continually attacked until the internet got bored of the entire event and moved onto something else...

The poor guy (which my bro said is one of the nicest teachers he's ever had) missed his flight and got attacked, for what?!? That day made me realize how fucking insane the internet police can be and how damaging these bullshit accusations can be. I still question things, but I'm done reacting to these conspiracies in such dramatic ways.

I wish people would just THINK before reacting.

Tldr; LAX bomb scare bystander falsely accused of being also at 9/11. Was close friends with my brother, harassed by internet for a week. Made me hate radical conspiracy theories.

[–]tinyroom 0 ポイント1 ポイント

it's no different than disasters drills they perform constantly, there are plenty of videos, here's an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAkuQLViqb8

they can even "fake" full riots, as seen here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbFSVh1mmiw

So why do you claim getting a few actors for "shock" images to be so ridiculous to the point of comparing to "holographic moons" WTF??

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

it's no different than disasters drills they perform constantly, there are plenty of videos, here's an example:

Except it is being done in full view of the public to achieve goals that are spurious at best, and don't actually require this conspiracy to be achieved. You need to get out more if this doesn't sound unbelievably crazy to you.

[–]tinyroom [score hidden]

Yes, the existence of actors are unbelievably crazy! They only exist in honest film locations!

Sorry, how stupid of me.

[–]Coheebuzz 1 ポイント2 ポイント

You condescending pricks are the ones who make the existence of crisis actors and false flags possible. "How can i be fooled, am too smart for that"

LOL.

[–]Look_At_That_OMGWTF 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I always think that those really crazy conspiracies are people hired by the government to discredit the ones that could be possible.

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

That sounds far more likely - hire one guy to make a stupid youtube video and watch everyone take the bait.

[–]Mightyskunk -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Wait a sec. Holographic moon? Where do I buy one of these?

[–]tinyroom -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Interesting why would you compare crisis actors to holographic moons.

They are not "one inch away" from each other.

In fact its VERY PLAUSIBLE that actors could be used for "shock" images that are printed on the news and get an emotional reaction from the public

[–]callmesnake13 [score hidden]

In fact its VERY PLAUSIBLE that actors could be used for "shock" images that are printed on the news and get an emotional reaction from the public

No it isn't, because there's absolutely nothing to be achieved from it.

[–]tinyroom [score hidden]

Yea, shocking images to make a compelling news page to keep the population distracted is indeed "nothing".