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[–]Quetzie 5 ポイント6 ポイント

This is a bit skewed. Liberals don't think Christians are inherently violent and Muslims are inherently peacefull. The problem is the media tends to stigmatize Muslims as being violent and Christians as peacefull.

Liberals just think Christians are not quite as peacefull as portrayed and that Muslims are actually more peacefull than portrayed.

At the end of the day, both are just people from different cultures but all following the Arbrahimic God. And people in general are quite peacefull if given the opportunity, at the very least ordinary Muslims aren't that much more violent than ordinary Christians. That is why this critique comes about, to adress a skewed view sensetionalized by the media.

Lastly, I've never personally been aware of liberals criticizing Christians for being violent. Christians are often criticized for being hypocritical, perverted and ignorant, but violent is not a recurring stand alone critique, unless Christians are overtly critical about the connection between violence and religion in other religions except their own.

[–]SympatheticDevil 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I think it really sucks how the entire Muslim religion has been ostracised by a lot of people because they think all Muslims are like the extremists they see on the news. They don't realise that they've been given a skewed view because of course no headline is ever going to read "Peaceful Muslim man condemns all extremists and wants us all to co-exist".

I fully agree that the militant Muslims are some of the worst people on the earth, but thinking it applies to all muslims is like hating every Christian based on what you've seen from the Westboro Baptist Church. What's even worse is that some of the more tabloid media sources (In the UK atleast) have started targeting all Muslims, denouncing halal slaughter as torture, shaming restaurants that use halal meat and claiming that Muslims get special treatment from banks if they're living under Sharia law. This isn't aimed at you OP or anyone else on this sub, just ranting about uneducated public opinion.

[–]lo_there 4 ポイント5 ポイント

The problem is that many surveys conducted of Muslims communities show a significantly large number of Muslims support violence. Now I know many Muslims act peaceful, but they capitulate to the violent side of Islam, and that is unacceptable. When Muslims start coming together and actively doing something to stop the violence in their own religion they'll begin to get some pity. Until then, they don't deserve any sympathy for how they're viewed.

[–]EdwardKA 4 ポイント5 ポイント

The top poll result for the acceptance of violence by religion (according to Google) is a Gallup poll. It found no significant prediction of the acceptance of violence against civilians by religion or religiosity, but did find the USA and Canada were significantly more tolerant of violence against civilians than the rest of the world. Which studies were you referring to? Could you provide a link?

[–]AlephNeil -1 ポイント0 ポイント

That survey deliberately ignores an obvious confounding variable, which makes it propaganda as far as I'm concerned.

One of the first images conjured up by the phrase 'military attacks against civilians', in this day and age, is attacks by western, typically US armed forces against nominally 'civilian' terror suspects in the Muslim world. So obviously people who view those particular attacks as ethically defensible will feel compelled to answer 'yes' to the survey, whereas people who feel themselves more likely to be on the receiving end of such attacks will take the opposite view. Regardless of their substantive views on the permissibility of violence.

(I bet if the survey had clarified that the 'civilians' in question were peaceful (i.e. they were not planning violent attacks against anyone, not planting IEDs, not kidnapping or beheading anyone etc) then you'd find that the anomalous US result disappears.)

EDIT: No, I didn't answer your question - I'll leave that to others - but I won't let the dishonesty of that survey go unremarked upon.

[–]MiyegomboBayartsogt -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

The problem here is when Mohammadans get freedom to act they all to often act horribly. The first thing a "Moslem state" does is impose a terribly intolerant rule that puts a filthy fascist sandal in the face of females forever. Then the churches are burned, monuments destroyed, nonbelievers are forced to convert or are murdered. Muslimans across the planet are guilty of the most barbaric behaviors imaginable. See the recent mass graves in the proud new Islamic state in northern Iraq. See also Pockistain or Saudi A-Rabia or Iran, etc., etc.

Sure, the odd Moslem may make a peep about peace, but he is immediately followed by a mob of mad murderers. Islam all too often acts out a self righteous, self hating, self pitying orgy of hate. The news everyday is filled with Islamic horrorshow. There is good reason Mohammadans are feared and loathed.

Clearly, if we look at the facts, problem with Islam isn't fundamentalist Moslimans. The problem with Islam is the fundamentals of Islam. Rather than criticizing the people who read the reports of the religion of repression, reform the religion. Islam is responsible for its own nightmarish public relations. This writer is generally religiously tolerant. I look on with disgust when proud Moslims blow up ancient Buddhist statues. Moslimans hate modernity, but they also hate the past. Most Moslimans are proud to be violently intolerant. Proud to brag no belief can coexist with the small-minded Mohammadan. Until this pervasive climate of arrogant hate changes, you have your work cut out for you.

[–]Klangdon826 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

Classic!