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/r/Metanarchism roundup 7/9-7/10 (self.Anarchism)

submitted by APartOfSomething

So there are a lot of problems with the way moderation is conducted on this sub. I think everyone agrees with that.

A lot of this is due to the relatively small number of people who participate in the /r/metanarchism subreddit discussing rule changes, ban proposals, etc. This sub has become a dump of bickering, bitterness, and embarrassment. Factions playing gotcha games, political opponents try to ban eachother, personal attacks, even users PHOTOSHOPPING FAKE PMs to get eachother banned.

So partially to shame the worst examples of abuse, and partially to get more level-headed and well-meaning people involved with how this sub is moderated, I figure it would be useful to start doing roundups of the activity on this subreddit's moderation page. So here you go! A roundup of the last couple days activity!

Aaaaaand that is it for the last day and a half or so.

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[–]Cream_Dream 10 ポイント11 ポイント

Still happy I de-modded myself all that time ago. Y'all mothafuckaz need Jesus.

[–]APartOfSomething[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント

ahhaah

[–]All-the-post-leftist 0 ポイント1 ポイント

i'm already jesus tho

[–]narrenburg 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Woah woah woah. Is this the kind of shit that goes on? In mah subreddit?

What is wrong with us?

[–]A leftist litany of lethargy on a lampost; streetlight manifestoSachyriel 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Wow did you get lost on the way to /r/subredditdrama ? Joking, but then I didn't get the first one; it was a bit of silliness but when contrasted with the other parts it seems out of place. However you're reporting and it only seems like off-handed judgement, got any sort of opinions on the things you're telling us and any suggestions?

[–]APartOfSomething[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I did them in chronological order. And that one was first. Thought it was worth mentioning because it was so silly, and has been the most popular post lately.

Opinions/Suggestions? I think that we should put more emphasis on maintaining a comradely environment in these threads. Lots of the discussions devolve because everyone is a hothead and escalate arguments to meanness pretty quickly. Also, there are a very few people involved with meta, and those who are post obsessively (me too sometimes tbh). Some users have factions that back eachother up, everyone is vying for for power over the discussion, its a mess. Get more people involved. Its my hope that we can drown out a lot of the ridiculousness. Get some fresh blood in there to call out the shenanigans without accusations of factionalism.

[–]A leftist litany of lethargy on a lampost; streetlight manifestoSachyriel 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Get some fresh blood in there to call out the shenanigans without accusations of factionalism.

Does that mean more mods or just more people from r/@ staring at them and judging them?

[–]APartOfSomething[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント

IMHO, less mods, more accountability.

I think we should have 4 or so solid, accountable, and transparent moderators. The moderators are selected/unselected via vote threads. More people should participate. I also think that abuse of meta should be more frowned upon.

[–]WhatMovementWhere 3 ポイント4 ポイント

If this is something you can commit to doing periodically, I think it'll be a tremendous help.

I for one never check meta and really only have a reddit account to post on here so a round up like this will definitely keep more of us aware of what's going on and involved in meta issues.

Thanks for the post.

Ps: "PM gate". I loled.

[–]APartOfSomething[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Im gonna try to every few days or so.

Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it.

[–]-faggoti_shall_be_released 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I think this is a great idea. Maybe you can make The Meta Roundups stickied posts?

[–]APartOfSomething[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

If we wanted to do that, I'd probably editorialize a little less.

Did this one casually so that people could find it a little more accessible.

[–]hex_m_hell 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I'm just trying to understand the thought pattern behind someone faking a PM to get someone else banned from an anarchist sub. "I'm an anarchist, but if you disagree with me I'll manipulate power structures to silence dissent." Wat.

[–], anarcho-satiristRednBlackSalamander 11 ポイント12 ポイント

Some people don't see anarchism as "freedom and equality for all," but as "categorize everyone as either oppressor or oppressed, and then grant absolute power and infallibility to the oppressed, because an eye for an eye." On the internet, we call this annoying. In the real world, we call it a reign of terror.

[–]hex_m_hell 1 ポイント2 ポイント

When was the last time someone told you that you're awesome? Cause that was damn well put.

I've been reading "The Lucifer Effect" and it's really interesting. Depersonalization allows oppressors to carry out and justify oppression without feeling bad about it. It allows people to mindlessly murder, torture, rape, etc. Depersonalization is the primary mechanism that maintains the capitalist system, racism, patriarchy, and all other systems of oppression. We, as humans, are all prone to it. Not only are we prone to it, we have to use it in order to cope with the abject horror of modern life.

Reading as Zimbardo quotes perpetrators of the Rwandan genocide, or Chomsky talking about children being murdered in front of their parents by US trained death squads in Guatemala, makes me angry to the point of tears. I think about those who orchestrate the systems of terror, and I hate them. These sociopaths, the remorseless monsters take normal humans beings and turn them in to agents of terror by creating the illusion of a non-human enemy. The bankers, the politicians, the generals, the leaders of the world must entirely lack the core thing that makes us human: empathy. If they can willfully orchestrate the systems that turn humans in to terrorists, they cannot actually be human. I want to line these sick fucks up against the wall and shoot them all. It's not murder, it's putting rabid dogs down in order to protect the rest of us. They aren't human, they're a disease.

And the circle is complete. The oppressed become the oppressors by dehumanizing the "other." The oppressor becomes an inhuman enemy who can be justifiably killed. The terrorized become the terrorizers. My gut reaction, my anger, has made me in to the very thing I hate. I have become the embodiment of thing I stand against.

So long as there is an "us" and a "them," we have failed. They, the oppressors, are victims of the same system as the oppressed. If we really wish to dismantle systems of oppression we must first recognize that all systems of oppression rely on depersonalization, and we must recognize that in ourselves.

[–]limitexperience 0 ポイント1 ポイント

And the circle is complete. The oppressed become the oppressors by dehumanizing the "other." The oppressor becomes an inhuman enemy who can be justifiably killed. The terrorized become the terrorizers. My gut reaction, my anger, has made me in to the very thing I hate. I have become the embodiment of thing I stand against.

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

I agree with your post, which is one of the reasons why I am skeptical of identity politics.

[–]7million -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

Proposal: make RednBlackSalamander mod

[–]asexy_tiems 3 ポイント4 ポイント

counterproposal: ban internet.

[–], anarcho-satiristRednBlackSalamander 0 ポイント1 ポイント

:(

[–]asexy_tiems 0 ポイント1 ポイント

:D

[–], anarcho-satiristRednBlackSalamander 0 ポイント1 ポイント

ಠ_ಠ

[–]asexy_tiems 0 ポイント1 ポイント

:P

[–], anarcho-satiristRednBlackSalamander 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Not interested. But thank you, I appreciate the thought.

[–]exiledarizona 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Or, the even more rich "I'm a militant queer/trans person and will use the word faggot in a negative context to get someone banned."

Also, the thought pattern is either complete lunacy or for the purpose of disruption.

[–]TheCircleJeerkals 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Sooooooo anarchism is dead?

[–]reaganveg 1 ポイント2 ポイント

This gives a false impression. The proposal to ban /u/ushankaadmirer was in response to the nomination thread.

Also, I really don't know why you'd say "/u/reaganveg and /u/volcanoclosto have a deep and ongoing conflict with eachother." /u/volcanoclosto has a deep and ongoing conflict with everyone except for a very small group. And to me, the collection of dishonest abusive users is almost indistinguishable.

The vote is currently split amongst the usual lines, with /u/all-the-post-leftist , /u/volcanoclosto , /u/voltairinede , and /u/ihateusernamesalot on the oppose side, and /u/reaganveg , /u/nlb2 , /u/fake_sjw and others on the support side.

I think it is a deep mistake to think that these "usual lines" are in any way analogous (as if me, nlb2, and fake_sjw are somehow affiliated).

[–]APartOfSomething[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I'm not gonna debate any of that, but I think being objective-ish in these is a good idea. Admittedly (and obviously if you look at my comment history) I agree that /u/volcanoclosto 's toxic comments are a real problem and hurts the sub. Also, /u/ushankaadmirer was being shitty too any way you cut it.

I'm just trying to make everything hyper visable for those who might care. To a degree, the troublemakers should be obvious.

[–]reaganveg 0 ポイント1 ポイント

The point I was raising with /u/ushankaadmirer had to do with chronological ordering. Your post suggests it happened in the order opposite from the real one.

[–]APartOfSomething[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah.

The /u/ushankaadmirer thread happened the day before, so I was just referencing it to give context to the /u/volcanoclosto thread. I getcha though. Totally was a retaliation thing imho.

[–]SPⒶCE MONKEYVindalfr 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I didn't even get a chance to cast my wild card vote.

[–]SPⒶCE MONKEYVindalfr 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Man, just when things were about to get good, I had to disappear for a bit.

Part of me is sad that I didn't get a chance to stir the pot a bit more, but the other part is glad that the absurdity of that place is getting recognition.

[–]asexy_tiems -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Oh hell r/@ is an absurd place any old how, can't imagine how meta would be any different.

Edit: also just checked out meta. Goddamn but peeps be bad about transphobia here. Did I seriously just see a thread where people were opposing the ban of someone who called a trans person "it?"

[–]unreasonable_anarchy -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

long live unreasonable_anarchy!

long live stirner_sniffed_dope!

[–]rebelsdarklaughter 0 ポイント1 ポイント

viva stirner_sniffed_dope!

[–]thisisarecountry -1 ポイント0 ポイント

^ this