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Can anyone explain the logic behind the "No Op./Ed. Analysis" rule in /r/news and /r/worldnews?[META] (self.undelete)
submitted 1 日 前 by worthless_meatsack
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[–]cojoco 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 1 日 前*
So that the /r/news mods can delete any submission by Glenn Greenwald that they don't like.
* edit to specify subreddit
[–]totes_meta_bot 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 9 時間 前
This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.
[/r/conspiracy] It was a bad day to be bipolarbear, caught lying about redirecting articles about Glen Greenwald out of r/news and once again claims ignorance despite evidence to the contrary
[/r/NSALeaksBot] It was a bad day to be bipolarbear, caught lying about redirecting articles about Glen Greenwald out of r/news and once again claims ignorance despite evidence to the contrary
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[–]duckvimes_ -43 ポイント-42 ポイント-41 ポイント 8 時間 前*
Oh look, the /r/conspiracy brigade has arrived.
Edit: thank you for proving me right. -10 on this comment, posted after the xpost.
Good lord you guys are blatant about your brigading.
http://redditlog.com/snapshots/839381
http://redditlog.com/snapshots/840873
[–]aleeum 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 5 時間 前
You just insulted a group of individuals without adding anything to the conversation. That's why I downvoted you.
[–]duckvimes_ -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 1 時間 前
Well? Still waiting for an answer. And 17+ angry morons later, I still haven't gotten one. How is "the /r/conspiracy brigade has arrived" an insult?
[–]aleeum 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前
That statement requires the assumption that we blindly follow the mass.
[–]duckvimes_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 55 分 前
On /r/conspiracy? That's a pretty accurate assessment.
What I said is not an insult, though.
[–]duckvimes_ -20 ポイント-19 ポイント-18 ポイント 5 時間 前
You just insulted a group of individuals
You seriously think that what I said counts as an insult?
[–]BipolarsExperiment 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4 時間 前
it's not a brigade if we're already here and then you post your usual asshollery. That's just called being dumb.
[–]KittyGlitterSparkles 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前
I tried to mug a cop and got shot. Waaaaaah.
[–]duckvimes_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 54 分 前
TIL calling /r/conspiracy out on its brigades = mugging a cop
[–]KittyGlitterSparkles -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 53 分 前
For God's sake it's not a brigade if conspiracy posters are already subbed here.
[–]BipolarsExperiment 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前
he might want to add a second edit to his post now that he's -32 lol
[–]duckvimes_ -6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 4 時間 前
Yes, it kind of is.
Come on. You accuse us of brigading for posting screenshots of someone's submissions in a sub of 300 people, but you think that posting a direct link to a comment in a sub of nearly 300k people isn't brigading? You are so incredibly full of shit.
[–]BipolarsExperiment 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 4 時間 前
It's NP linked
You posted something that had nothing to do with this thread and were downvoted accordingly.
Case closed.
[–]duckvimes_ -6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 3 時間 前
I posted a reply to totes_meta_bot and got downvoted by the angry conspiracy theorists flooding in from your post, you mean.
[–]BipolarsExperiment 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前
I know it's tough, but try not to play dumber than you normally do...
When all else fails, personal insults. Very nice.
[–]duckvimes_ -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 3 時間 前
Very nice post you dedicated to me, by the way. Nice to know that fighting racism and anti-Semitism means I support genocide.
You should put forth as much effort into fighting apartheid and genocide
[–]sean_los_Armas 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前
wow asshole
[–]riverbottom 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6 時間 前
Brace yourself for perceived "racism"!
Are you guys still using that old worn-out line? Why, of course you are! You have very little else.
[–]duckvimes_ -15 ポイント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント 6 時間 前
Are you guys still using that old worn-out line?
What, calling racist people racist? Is that a problem?
[–]riverbottom 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 5 時間 前
Blanketing entire groups of people with the label "racist" because of the actions of a very few? Yep, that is a problem.
Keep in mind that opponents of /r/conspiracy have purposely posted links with racist titles/themes to the sub, and then vote-brigaded them to the top to give the false appearance that the whole group is racist. And they've been caught red-handed. I'm sure you're familiar with this, you've probably engaged in it yourself.
[–]duckvimes_ -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 4 時間 前
My comment had absolutely nothing to do with racism.
From our rules/welcome page:
Note that when we say, "/r/conspiracy is racist," we do not mean that literally every poster/comment/submission in /r/conspiracy is racist.
Reading comprehension is so hard.
Keep in mind that opponents of /r/conspiracy have purposely posted links with racist titles/themes to the sub
Yes.
and then vote-brigaded them to the top to give the false appearance that the whole group is racist.
Nope.
And they've been caught red-handed.
You mean, willingly posted about it.
I'm sure you're familiar with this
Obviously I know what BPB did.
you've probably engaged in it yourself.
Nope. Don't need to, there are already plenty of real racists.
[–]riverbottom 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前
Didn't need to, as it is already implied. Any fool who believes in "/r/conspiracy brigades" and frequents shitsubs like /r/conspiratard and /r/subredditdrama very likely also believes all of /r/conspiracy is full of racists. The idiocy goes hand-in-hand. Perhaps you're an exception to this rule, but I doubt it.
From our rules/welcome page
Given the fact that I couldn't possibly care any less about shitty subs like /r/conspiratard and /r/subredditdrama, it is highly likely I've never read the welcome page of such subs that I actively avoid. So it has little to do with reading comprehension. Can you comprehend that?
(By the way, putting a little note on your welcome page that says "Just because we call all of /r/conspiracy racist, that doesn't mean we think they're all racist!" is pretty fucking absurd. Sorry, but that doesn't excuse your bullshit.)
Yep. Only a fool would think that a power-user like BipolarBear0 works on shit like that all by himself, entirely independent. But, agree to disagree. You can continue to contend that /r/conspiracy members upvoted BPB's bullshit link; I will continue to contend that he organized brigades to upvote it so he could turn around and say "See my little experiment? I was right!".
That's how it went, according to Bipolarbear0. But who's going to believe that asshole? "Hey look guys, I ran an 'experiment' to deceive people! But you can totally believe my explanation and reasoning for it, because I'm honest and truthful!". That's laughable. Sorry, but nobody believed a fucking word he said in his defense.
Like who? Can you name more than 5? There are 238,000 subscribers in /r/conspiracy. Surely you can make me a nice long list of proven racists. I'll be waiting. (But please make sure they're not just sockpuppet accounts from members of conspiratard or subredditdrama, posting bullshit to make the other 237,999 subscribers appear "racist". Good luck.)
[–]duckvimes_ -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 2 時間 前
Wait. Are you actually saying that /r/conspiracy never brigades?
[–]riverbottom 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前
I can't control or monitor 238,000 subscribers, and I'm not going to say there has never been vote brigading. However, I laugh at statements like yours that say "here comes the /r/conspiracy brigade!" just because your shitcomment had hit a whopping -10.
Wow. Some brigade.
Now your comment is much lower than -10, because you keep saying dumb shit. It isn't a brigade, it's just you earning downvotes.
[–]Laura_Poitras 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 5 時間 前
ah yes, thinking critically is bad.
/u/duckvimes_ , whats your opinion on operation mockingbird and its relavance today?
[–]duckvimes_ -7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 5 時間 前
L_P (or rather, letsownthenwo), can you comment on why you have created dozens (literally dozens) of sockpuppets and alt accounts to staff /r/LimitedHangouts, and why you've been shadowbanned on more than half of them?
[–]Laura_Poitras 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前
;)
[–]duckvimes_ -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 3 時間 前
Not much of an answer.
[–]duckvimes_ -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 5 時間 前
Oh, and are you saying that racism is "thinking critically"?
I mean, you're not wrong. It's thinking "critically" (read, negatively) about everybody with a different skin color or religion.
[–]BipolarBear0 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 2 時間 前
Yeah, I wondered why the vote counts suddenly sunk from -1 to -35 in the span of almost an hour.
[–]BipolarBear0Smeels 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前
Because you touch yourself at night.
[–]BipolarBear0 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 2 時間 前
Probably.
[–]duckvimes_ -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 2 時間 前
Ain't /r/conspiracy brigades great?
Hey, could be worse. When they brigaded me in /r/worldnews, I went from something like +130 to -80 (from memory--but it was close to that).
My favorite was when a two-week-old post I had submitted to /r/ideasfortheadmins suddenly went from +15 to -300 in hours. They don't even hide it.
Haha, I remember that one. Every other post had 1-2 replies (if any); yours had something like 50 child comments.
You should send this one to the admins if you haven't already, by the way.
[–]BipolarBear0 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1 時間 前
It's strange, for some reason the admins are ignoring me. I had to report a comment containing my dox five times over five days before the comment was ever nuked (and they still didn't respond to me), and my last report about a user ban evading in /r/news was completely ignored. Although a few months ago when I reported the brigade of that /r/needamod thread they responded, so I don't know.
[–]duckvimes_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 32 分 前
http://i.imgur.com/Q2L5Gzi.jpg
[–]BipolarBear0 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 31 分 前
Thanks, man.
That's...odd. Well, so much for /r/conspiracy's theory that you literally work with the admins.
[–]worthless_meatsack[S] -7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 23 時間 前
Well, fair enough, it is within their rights.
[–]cojoco 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 23 時間 前
It being within their rights, and it being "fair enough", are two completely different things.
It is not "fair enough".
[–]EightRoundsRapid -9 ポイント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント 23 時間 前
We remove opinion though, not news, as per the rules. And we don't do any automod filtering, so I think saying we "remove things we don't like" is unfair and more than a little inflammatory.
[–]cojoco 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 22 時間 前
It's pretty conspicuous when the mods of /r/news delete a news article by Glenn Greenwald containing his original analysis of Snowden's material, yet they allow a shitty blog post which summarizes that article.
The number of undeleted submissions from FirstLook is paltry.
[–]EightRoundsRapid 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 22 時間 前
I don't subscribe to/follow /r/news, so I don't know what happened in that instance. We will remove opinion and analysis pieces, regardless of who they written by and which outlet published them.
[–]cojoco 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 22 時間 前
Ah, a misunderstanding.
I was specifically talking about the moderators of /r/news
Ah, a misunderstanding
Story of my life.
[–]Canadian_Infidel 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 17 時間 前
Then reddit's owners are going to make changes. This is going to cause problems for them. Unless they are in on it.
[–]BipolarBear0 -45 ポイント-44 ポイント-43 ポイント 22 時間 前
The rule has been in place for years before Glenn Greenwald was known by anyone outside of the journalism industry. So unless we had amazing foresight, you're an idiot.
[–]moving-target 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 5 時間 前*
Dude, reading down your comments, and responses, and lies, and shit you've done to censor has been noticed by a lot of people. All of reddit in fact, and for a while. So either you truly are paid by some PR firm to censor anything damning to the United States Security Apparatus, which is damn obvious looking back now, (since ironically it was Snowden who broke the story of astroturfers on reddit, then Glenn who called you assholes out in a reddit AMA for censoring) or you truly think you are smarter than we know you are.
You have been censoring. You and a few of your MOD friends have been actively destroying our ability to organize properly and communicate important information. Censoring articles, hiding behind rules you just invent as you go, removing posts with thousands of comments that could have been read by so many others, redirecting articles about the NSA to other smaller subreddits where fewer and fewer people can see that information, and reddit has suddenly wholesale removed all the news subreddits from default. Is there some sort of hat I can wear to ward off coincidences? Any active user on reddit for more than two years has noticed it, and you can't hide behind ignorance of the matter.
[–]BipolarBear0 -11 ポイント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント 4 時間 前
And tell me, what exactly have I done "to censor"?
[–]moving-target 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4 時間 前*
Holy shit you're scary. I am exceptionally intimidated by your request for information already in this thread, and what amounts to a year or two of observations by Reddit as a whole.
You know what? You and your mod friends have done nothing wrong. I take everything back and so does reddit. We have all been hallucinating. In fact, I bet if you get ahead of this thing you can win some sort of science award for discovering mass hallucinations on reddit. I mean imagine that, tens of thousands, millions of people all seeing the same text and patterns, and articles disappearing, and lies, and watching you being caught, and playing ignorant, and the mass censoring of NSA and Snowden articles across all of reddit! Look at me I'm rambling I must be insane. None of it has actually happened! It's all been some sort of weird collective dream. You hear that everyone? He and his mod friends have done nothing wrong. Autobots Roll Out!
[–]BipolarBear0 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 4 時間 前
So you can't tell me what I've censored, then?
[–]SomeKindOfMutant1 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 21 時間 前
Why did you guys try to push all NSA/PRISM/Snowden submissions to /r/inthenews?
http://i.imgur.com/zhn07RX.png
[–]BipolarBear0 -36 ポイント-35 ポイント-34 ポイント 21 時間 前
We didn't, NSA/PRISM/Snowden submissions have been posted to /r/news in droves since the initial story broke -- and if that screenshot is legitimate, which I doubt it is, it took place before I became a moderator, so I couldn't answer regardless.
[–]SomeKindOfMutant1 38 ポイント39 ポイント40 ポイント 21 時間 前
if that screenshot is legitimate, which I doubt it is, it took place before I became a moderator, so I couldn't answer regardless.
All of what you just said there is false. Let me break it down.
This is one of the images of /r/news captured by the wayback machine on July 15, 2013:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130715125244/http://www.reddit.com/r/news
The formatting is different on the web archive, but you can clearly see in the sidebar a section for that says "submit nsa/prism/snowden article" and if you hover over the text, you'll see that it re-directs to the /r/inthenews submission form.
You'll also note that you're listed as a moderator. This is because you were added to the /r/news moderation team on June 14, 2013, 31 days before the screenshot in question.
[–]TheGhostOfDusty 22 ポイント23 ポイント24 ポイント 18 時間 前
This kid lies like he breathes. Good work shining a light on it.
[–]SomeKindOfMutant1 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 18 時間 前
Thanks. He's really bent out of shape about being called out on the--shall we say--inaccuracies in his narrative.
[–]rhorama 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 13 時間 前
It looks like it worked too, considering the 7 NSA/snowden articles on the front page.
[–]BipolarBear0 -37 ポイント-36 ポイント-35 ポイント 21 時間 前
Ah, I see. So in that case, I don't remember it. Regardless, it's irrelevant in any case now, a year later.
[–]SomeKindOfMutant1 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 20 時間 前
It's directly relevant...did the mod team of which you were and are a part attempt to drive NSA submissions from /r/news to /r/inthenews? And if so, why?
It seems very strange to try to divert NSA stories to smaller subs when advertising /r/restorethefourth on the /r/news sidebar and, ostensibly, engaged in work as a pro-privacy activist.
[–]Teabaginz 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 5 時間 前
Restore the fourth was compromised on day 1
[–]BipolarBear0 -31 ポイント-30 ポイント-29 ポイント 20 時間 前
Don't know, I wasn't even tangentially part of the discussion when it happened (which should be obvious given the fact that I had no idea that it happened). In that sense, I can't tell you why, nor can I tell you how. And although I'm a proud supporter of your humble quest to drudge through 11 months and 25 days of screenshots from the front page of /r/news in order to feel oppressed at something, I'd rather you direct your point-blank retarded accusations where they're deserved, not at some guy who was barely a moderator when something happened almost a year ago.
Why don't you go ask your friend and fellow mod douglas why /r/news attempted to suppress any and all NSA submissions? If you were moderating /r/restorethefourth one would think you might notice minor details such as the policies directly related to that movement in the largest subreddit you moderated.
[–]BipolarBear0 -21 ポイント-20 ポイント-19 ポイント 20 時間 前
Hell if I know whether even he put that on the sidebar. You know we have more mods than him and myself, even if we are the easiest targets.
Instead of blindly flailing your arms around and trying to find something that fits, you could display the same drive and commitment you had when looking through /r/news' front page on Web Archive and go back through our submission histories to find all of the dozens of NSA & Snowden articles he and I have submitted to multiple subreddits -- but why would you if you can't whine, scream, and beat your fists about it?
[–]0x_ 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 10 時間 前
Don't know, I wasn't even tangentially part of the discussion when it happened (which should be obvious given the fact that I had no idea that it happened).
Its not obvious, and i have some insight into the way some defaults mod teams work in tiers, based on certain roles/privileges, or there being separate subs where mod discussion takes place, in some examples i've read about over the years...
[–]Speculum 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 15 時間 前
Haha.
[–]BipolarBear0 -10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 15 時間 前
Is this funny to you, or do you have any proof that I was part of the discussion?
[–]Canadian_Infidel 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 17 時間 前
You guys must have meetings to discuss and plan your bullshit statements.
[–]BipolarsExperiment 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 9 時間 前
They do, on IRC
[–]BipolarBear0 -19 ポイント-18 ポイント-17 ポイント 17 時間 前
Do you have any evidence whatsoever to suggest that (whatever statement, I can't actually tell what you're referring to) is bullshit?
[–]Speculum 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 15 時間 前
Evidence: So far everything I read from you is bullshit.
[–]tentimesnothing 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 13 時間 前
I read it too. This guy is compromised.
[–]BipolarBear0 -14 ポイント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント 15 時間 前
And do you have any proof whatsoever that "Everything you've read from me" is bullshit?
[–]hollanug 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 7 時間 前
More proof: keep commenting
[–]BipolarBear0 -8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 5 時間 前
And how is that proof in any regard?
[–]hollanug -13 ポイント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント 7 時間 前
Fuck off you stupid fucking jew. You got served this day
[–]archonemis 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 7 時間 前
It's okay to get snippy at someone for being a douche.
It's not okay to get snippy at someone for being a jew.
[–]hollanug -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 7 時間 前
He is a jewish douch. And its not ok to get snippy at someone for being Muslim.
[–]archonemis 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 6 時間 前
It's not okay to get snippy at someone for being Muslim either.
I agreee with that.
My only point is that one must be consistent.
You can only get upset at someone for doing something bad.
[–]cojoco 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 21 時間 前
So unless we had amazing foresight, you're an idiot.
It's pretty plain when the rule is applied so subjectively.
[–]BipolarBear0 -24 ポイント-23 ポイント-22 ポイント 21 時間 前
It's pretty plain that we had amazing foresight, or it's pretty plain that you're an idiot?
[–]cojoco 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 21 時間 前
You're better than this.
[–]avengingturnip 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 8 時間 前
No, you are wrong. BpB is not better than this.
[–]BipolarBear0 -20 ポイント-19 ポイント-18 ポイント 21 時間 前
And you're smarter than this, usually.
[–]cojoco 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 20 時間 前
You replaced a link to GG's story on The Intercept with a link to a blogspam posting on theexaminer.com, a website so shitty that reddit sends it straight to the spam filter.
http://www.reddit.com/r/RedditCensorship/comments/1zc8o8/do_you_remember_the_examinercom_link_that_the/
[–]0x_ 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 9 時間 前
You replaced a link to GG's story on The Intercept with a link to a blogspam posting on theexaminer.com, a website so shitty that reddit sends it straight to the spam filter. http://www.reddit.com/r/RedditCensorship/comments/1zc8o8/do_you_remember_the_examinercom_link_that_the/
Now that looks fishy as fuck. I can see where all this tinfoil fallout is from.
[–]ShellOilNigeria 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 5 時間 前
At least you realise such.
[–]0x_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前
Ha! Implying only a total ignorance of the existence of bad modding (ever!) could possibly be why someone would just go on an offensive calling out conspiracy nutjobs ruining a subreddit.
Knowing of examples of bad modding is no fucking excuse for throwing all integrity out the window and acting like a brainless mob.
[–]BipolarBear0 -16 ポイント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント 20 時間 前
I didn't make any actions whatsoever in regards to The Intercept, actually. I approved a post on the story, yes, but I most certainly didn't remove anything whatsoever relating to The Intercept, First Look, or the GCHQ story in general. So no, try again.
[–]cojoco 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 20 時間 前
I most certainly didn't remove anything whatsoever relating to The Intercept
By "you" I of course meant "the mod team of /r/news".
I recognize that you were not the mod who specifically did this action, but you are the mod that generally turns up to defend it.
[–]BipolarBear0 -18 ポイント-17 ポイント-16 ポイント 20 時間 前
Do you recognize that? Because it seems to me that you're directing a very specific and very inaccurate accusation at me specifically. If I did something you dislike that you want to bitch about, make sure it's actually something I did.
[–]kit8642 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前
That's funny, I remember Glenn Greenwald being all over r/news before you were even a mod:
u/bipolarbear Joined 2 years ago
5 years ago: The Anthrax Back-story: Glenn Greenwald recaps the anthrax story from 2001/2002 and ABC's complicity in linking it to Iraq and 9/11
4 Years ago: Glenn Greenwald takes on Jeffrey Goldberg for the lack of quality in Jeffrey's journalism and absolutely destroys him.
3 Years ago: U.S. teenager tortured in Kuwait and barred re-entry into the U.S. - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
3 Years ago Glenn Greenwald on Gitmo leaks: "Those condemning these disclosures…are saying…it would be preferable if the evidence showing the extreme injustice of continuing to imprison people there without so much as charging them with any crimes continued to be concealed."
3 Years ago Glenn Greenwald: Bradley Manning could face death: For what? “Those who reveal truths which most people would prefer to ignore are typically hated, and are often those most severely punished.”
[–]BipolarBear0 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 4 時間 前
Yes, because he was (and still is) a news commentator who, at that time, wrote for Salon. But he wasn't known by name to anyone outside of the journalism industry. It could've been Michael Kelley, or David Brooks, or Maureen Dowd, and the difference would be negligible.
[–]kit8642 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前
I knew who he was at the time and I'm a college drop out who works for a paving company.
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/d7t2n/glenn_greenwald_lawsuit_challenges_obamas_power/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/gkv39/glenn_greenwald_the_most_uncounted_cost_of/
[–]BipolarBear0 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 3 時間 前
And I did, too, but I also lived in the real world and understood that to the vast majority of human beings in the world, Glenn Greenwald was unknown.
The rule has been in place for years before Glenn Greenwald was known by anyone outside of the journalism industry. But he wasn't known by name to anyone outside of the journalism industry. And I did, too, but I also lived in the real world and understood that to the vast majority of human beings in the world, Glenn Greenwald was unknown.
The rule has been in place for years before Glenn Greenwald was known by anyone outside of the journalism industry.
But he wasn't known by name to anyone outside of the journalism industry.
I also live in the "real world", and I think it would be safe to say that the vast majority of the human beings in the world today don't know who Glenn Greenwald is. I would be surprised if 5% of china knew who Glenn Greenwald is. But that's besides the point, we're not talking about the world, we're talking about r/news.
[–]BipolarBear0 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 3 時間 前
/r/news is and has always been representative of the world -- which is itself outside of the journalism industry. It's not and never has been a niche subreddit populated by people in the know about all the various columnists for various blog sites, it's trafficked by regular humans in regular professions who want a source for news aggregation. This has been true before it became a default, and it's especially true today.
[–]kit8642 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前
Sounds like you're contradicting your earlier statements. When r/politics was a default GG was constantly on the front page. All of these posts below were on the front page and their all 6 years old. The NSA might have made him more popular, but the people on reddit knew who he was.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6bc2c/tucker_carlson_unintentionally_reveals_the_role/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6l8oi/cnnabc_reporter_corporate_executives_forced/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6cddz/time_magazine_invents_facts_to_claim_that/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/64c6x/glenn_greenwald_911_commission_our_investigation/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5zy9x/glenn_greenwald_on_the_ron_paul_phenomenon/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/63fnk/glenn_greenwald_media_hostility_toward/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6lq0x/newest_mccain_official_president_has_near/
[–]BipolarBear0 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 2 時間 前
The people on reddit upvoted the submissions, not the columnists. Considering that /r/politics received upwards of 1,000 submissions a day when it was a default, I have no doubts that nobody knew or cared who Greenwald was during that timeframe.
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