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Incredible TES 6 Ideas: Weaponizing Speech (self.ElderScrolls)

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[–]Mr_Flippers 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6 日前

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[–]Mr_Flippers 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5 日前

You can't compare the Voice to swinging swords

Fine, but you can compare magic to magic; and tonal magic, which Shouts are a part of, can and have been utilised by other races. Specifically the Dwemer, Bosmer and Yokudans. Casting a ghost is a racial ability of the Dunmer, but it's not restricted to them either.

If every race can shout then why don't they?

Because they weren't taught how to, that's why it was important for Paarthurnax to teach them the Voice; the only other times that other races could have been taught would be after Tiber Septim established the Imperial College for the Voice in Markarth, which is gone by the 4th Era. Plus, how many modern day Nords do Shout? It's a skill that requires a lot of time and patience with little reward and practical use so most don't bother, they have lives to live just like every other race.

Name a Dark Elf, A Wood Elf, A High Elf, A Breton, A Khajit, A Dwarf, A Argonian A Redguard, or An Imperial that has shouted like the Nords. Just one.

Ok, Mankar Camoran.

[–]Jstcllme_Dema[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 5 日前*

Parthurnax is not the granddaddy of the Voice. He taught it yes but he did not GIVE the ability to the Nords. Kyne and her daughters blessed the Nords with the ability.

I don't know much about Mankar Cameron and I don't know if he actually shouted or not. I haven't read about it any where. But even if he did find a way, crazy cultist that he is, what makes you think everybody and their momma can just up and use the Voice? In the Skyrim main theme it even refers to the Voice as the " Ancient Nord Art". All Shouting is magic but not all magic is Shouting. Even if other races could use it it's clearly a Nordcentric thing, why would they take something culturally significant to one race and just sell it out to all the others?Why do I always find people to argue the most basic principles down to the nitty gritty?

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[–]Mr_Flippers 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5 日前*

what makes you think everybody and their momma can just up and use the Voice?

I never said that, if "everybody and their momma" applied themselves and trained to use the Voice then they could. It's not something everyone can "just up and do it" and I never said it was.

why would they take something culturally significant to one race and just sell it out to all the others?

They didn't and I never said they did. The only thing that comes close to that is Tiber Septim setting up the Imperial College of the Voice in Markarth.

In the Skyrim main theme it even refers to the Voice as the " Ancient Nord Art".

No it isn't; and to prove it, here's the entire translation of the song that includes lyrics that are cut out of the main theme.

Dragonborn, Dragonborn, by his honor is sworn, To keep evil forever at bay!
And the fiercest foes rout when they hear triumph's shout,
Dragonborn, for your blessing we pray!
Hearken now, sons of snow, to an age, long ago, and the tale, boldly told, of the one!
Who was kin to both wyrm, and the races of man, with a power to rival the sun!
And the Voice, he did wield, on that glorious field, when great Tamriel shuddered with war!
Mighty Thu'um, like a blade, cut through enemies all, as the Dragonborn issued his roar!
And the Scrolls have foretold, of black wings in the cold, that when brothers wage war come unfurled!
Alduin, Bane of Kings, ancient shadow unbound, with a hunger to swallow the world!
But a day, shall arise, when the dark dragon's lies, will be silenced forever and then!
Fair Skyrim will be free from foul Alduin's maw, Dragonborn be the savior of men!

at no point is it called the "Ancient Nord Art". edit: and here's the source

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[–]Jstcllme_Dema[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 4 日前*

You're missing the point of this entire conversation. In the admittedly rare event that these ideas are picked up on and integrated into a game, it would be restricted to Nords for the very CLEAR fact that it is a Nordcentric ability, just like Sword singing would be a clearly Redguard centric ability, just like talking to animals is CLEARLY a Wood Elf centric ability, in what way is this wrong? You can't just mix and match this shit.

The best part about this is that the devs have already set the example in Skyrim with racial traits. What do you think Battle Cry is? It's Kiai, a kenning, a shout! It's historically and culturally a Norse/Nordic technique to give oneself false courage and inspire hesitation and fear in an enemy. Who uses this in the game? A Nord. Not a freaking, High Elf.

Besides my idea for shouting in subsequent games is not a continuation of the shouting in Skyrim. It's been done and it would be unfair to just make it a staple of the entire series. It's why I said weaker, and by weaker I mean more personal effects than outright magical, to be more in line with that epic Nordic singing from the theme. To shout to intimidate, to shout for a second wind, to shout for power or speed. What the FUCK does an Elf or Khajiit look like just kiestering and copying something that is so foreign to them and is defined as a Nord art? Thats like having somebody from Ireland trying to fake a Mexican accent and just obnoxiously do stereotypical Mexican things. It's insulting. No, the other races have plenty of their own cultural and historical legends and abilities they can use their own.

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