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[–]BeyondSight 148 ポイント149 ポイント

We should do our Congressmen that accept bribes as well.

Edit: Fuck it, I'm all in. FUCK THE NSA.

Yeah, there are definitely certain congressmen who's throats I would slit if I had the chance. And if you saw their list of crimes, you'd fucking agree with it.

edit 2: Thanks for the gold. We just need to collectively unleash our passion.

[–]vertigo1083 110 ポイント111 ポイント

History calls this a "revolution".

There was a really, really excellent novel that was about this concept, exactly. It's called *"Term Limits", by Vince Flynn. (RIP)

Former Special Forces start offing congressmen who are driving this country into the ground. Great stuff.

*I do not support the killing of US officials, YOU HEAR THAT, NSA?

Edit: The book

[–]conquer69 81 ポイント82 ポイント

Modern history would call you a terrorist.

[–]ryanhadaway 51 ポイント52 ポイント

"What are you some kind of mad man"

"No but I'm sure they'll say I am"

Edit : I got the quote wrong but close enough

[–]YouPickMyName 29 ポイント30 ポイント

Evey Hammond: Are you, like, a crazy person?

V: I am quite sure they will say so.

[–]ryanhadaway 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Close enough :P

[–]sheik790 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Evey Hammond: Are you, like, a crazy person?

V: I am quite sure they will say so...

[–]xisytenin 41 ポイント42 ポイント

V for virgin

[–]YouPickMyName 16 ポイント17 ポイント

Annonymoose.

[–]frogger2504 2 ポイント3 ポイント

What is this from? A really quick Google search turned up nothing.

[–]YouPickMyName 7 ポイント8 ポイント

It's meant to be from V for Vendetta. I posted the actual quote in response.

[–]ryanhadaway 2 ポイント3 ポイント

V for vendetta also kinda got the quote wrong

[–]big_cheddars 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Ooh, now there's a good quote.

[–]killbabies 11 ポイント12 ポイント

George Washington was a terrorist. Why didn't he go through the proper whistle blower channels for king George?

[–]themanbat [score hidden]

George Washington wasn't a terrorist. A terrorist attacks non combatants in an attempt to terrorize the populace and gain political capital. George Washington attacked what at the time was considered to be the finest military in the world, and kicked their asses. If George had sailed to England and started blowing up civilians, then you could talk terrorism.

[–]grizzdo [score hidden]

Guess those tories who fled to Canada don't count as terrorized non-combatants then eh

[–]Fraktyl 28 ポイント29 ポイント

History books are written by the victors. I'm pretty sure the British considered us terrorists when we had that little Revolution 250 years ago.

[–]SheeEttin 46 ポイント47 ポイント

One side's terrorists are the other side's freedom fighters.

Well, most of the time. Some groups are just extremist assholes.

[–]TheKingOfToast 31 ポイント32 ポイント

The definition of terrorists has been changed over the past 13 years.

When we became "freedom fighters" we were rebels, not terrorists. We had no desire to just cause trouble and insight terror. However, now terrorists has become such a buzz word that it's come to represent anyone that opposes the US or any establishment.

[–]mbf2 12 ポイント13 ポイント

Which is why no one takes the word seriously anymore and it has lost its power.

[–]FAP-FOR-BRAINS 1 ポイント2 ポイント

threaten to kick your neighbor's ass for playing his shitty music too loud at 2 in the morning? "Terroristic threatening".

[–]isobit 6 ポイント7 ポイント

There are extremely few terrorists who terrorize just because they kinda like it. Those would be kind of like the crazed serial killers you see from time to time, but mainly it is the only way an oppressed minority can fight a modern war machine. It's political in nature, they have a political agenda, they don't blow themselves up just because they have an autoexplosive fetish.

[–]octopornopus 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Why can't we just fight a gaggle of David Carradines?

[–]taizenf [score hidden]

Its simpler than that. The definition of terrorism has changed. It is now with us or against us. Us being the establishment.

That means any person to stand up, speak out, and exercise there free speech rights can be categorized as a terrorist. The Steven Harper government in Canada named several non violent, non destructive, environmentalist groups as terrorist organizations as they opposed the building of a oil pipeline that the establishment wants. You can see how frustrated they are getting now as the public consultation process is just meant to be for show (much like most elections) with the end result being the establishment gets what it wants.

m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2012/01/24/pmo_branded_environmental_group_an_enemy_of_canada_affidavit_says.html

m.thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/05/19/Harper-Ruin-Path/

[–]Bluest_One [score hidden]

In the UK, we don't brandish around the word "terrorist" quite so much. But we (and by we, I of course mean the police and establishment) do use the word "extremist" (which I believe is also somewhat popular in the US).

The police will frequently label people who attend demonstrations (exercising their democratic freedoms) as "domestic extremists", from pensioners who like to sketch such protests to politicians and compile secret dossiers on them.

[–]Sean13banger [score hidden]

I wish that I could remember what the book was called, but it was journalistic entries from a British Officer during the Revolutionary War (real excerpts) that described us as "insurgents" or "participating in an insurgency", so bnot too far off of terrorists.

[–]Aassiesen [score hidden]

the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

That's what you get when you google the definition of terrorism and by that definition anyone can be a terrorist so long as whoever they're fighting doesn't authorize the 'terrorists'.

[–]john-five [score hidden]

terrorists has become such a buzz word that it's come to represent anyone that opposes the US or any establishment.

Heck, Hillary has been saying that people that politically disagree with her "terrorize" the populace. That's intentionally fuzzing the word.

[–]stalinsnicerbrother 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I don't think we did actually. Traitors maybe, but not terrorists.

[–]fuckusnowman 12 ポイント13 ポイント

Considered? As in the past tense?

We're just biding our time before we reclaim our rightful land lost during the Treasonous War of the Persecution of our Noble Tea.

[–]Gaywallet 0 ポイント1 ポイント

What's that? I cant hear you over the sound of me tea-bagging the Thames.

[–]Barsam37 [score hidden]

You'd be interested in knowing the majority of the British people supported the revolution because it was British earning rights not Americans, we have brochures and ads for fairs advertising why the Britons in the Americas deserved the revolution.

[–]slayer1am 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The only excuse for rebellion is if you win.

[–]FAP-FOR-BRAINS 1 ポイント2 ポイント

the Founding Fathers were considered such.

[–]NuclearStudent 0 ポイント1 ポイント

No, just a reactionary.

[–]excommunicated [score hidden]

I'd call them sheltered children. Preaching their injustice in a thread about a society that protects a serial rapist while damming his victims.

We have our problems, but they have no idea what injustice is.

[–]swicken [score hidden]

Only if you lose.

[–]FreshCrabMEAT 60 ポイント61 ポイント

What the hell is up with this thread?

So America could pass simply campaign finance restrictions, but that sounds super booooooring and nerdy, so fuck that. WHAT GOOD IS POLITICS ANYWAY IF I CAN'T SATISFY MY RAGING BLOODLUST AROOOO

[–]Poogans 28 ポイント29 ポイント

THE STREETS OF DC WILL RUN RED WITH BLOOD (because other ways to get political reform aren't nearly as badass)

[–]FreshCrabMEAT [score hidden]

I'M LITERALLY EATING A JUNIOR SENATOR RIGHT NOW.

[–]Falcrist 11 ポイント12 ポイント

America could pass campaign finance restrictions

I disagree. Such restrictions will never be passed under the current regime.

[–]ICarMaI 12 ポイント13 ポイント

If they had the morals to pass campaign finance restrictions this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

[–]FreshCrabMEAT 10 ポイント11 ポイント

they literally passed one in the 2000's - McCain-Feingold. It was struck down by the Supremes. Obviously many politicians do agree with campaign finance restriction, but because "campaigning very hard, choosing candidates, lobbying and perstering congressmen" isn't as sexy as "KILL ALL THE MOTHERFUCKERS", that has effectively been erased from memory.

[–]DoubleCMahoney 15 ポイント16 ポイント

...If they had the morals to pass campaign finance restrictions we wouldn't want to slit their throats...?

[–]abide1187 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Yup, that tracks to me... not sure what part of this does not make sense...

/s

[–]ICarMaI 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Because I'm the one who said that, right?

[–]john-five [score hidden]

Reductio ad absurdum

[–]Poogans 1 ポイント2 ポイント

[–]NuclearStudent 1 ポイント2 ポイント

If over a third of people bothered to vote in local elections and they explicitly say a campaign reform bill will win their vote, then yes, yes it would pass.

[–]imaginativeintellect [score hidden]

I 100% think campaign reform and term limits would totally change the politics of our nation for the better, (and is the best alternative to any kind of revolution) but I doubt the people who benefit from it will make laws that end it from happening.

I don't want a bloody revolution, but nonviolent protest in large enough numbers CAN change things. As FDR said:

Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country.

Don't be passive aggressive as a citizen. Actively work and speak out to get the government you want. Unfortunately, we live in one of the most distrustful times in human history. We don't trust the people around us. It's an us vs. them mentality, and it's stopping us from coming together as a group--whether a nation, a state, or even a community--to work to achieve what is important to us.

[–]99639 [score hidden]

So America could pass simply campaign finance restrictions

Yeah like that will happen. You are expecting the guilty to indict themselves?

[–]FreshCrabMEAT [score hidden]

It's happened before, it'll happen again.

[–]99639 [score hidden]

When did it happen?

[–]FreshCrabMEAT [score hidden]

2002 - the McCain-Feingold act. Written to eliminate soft money, till it was gutted by the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision. That's five GOP appointed judges vs. four Democratic judges.

[–]99639 [score hidden]

Not sure why you're so optimistic. I don't think you have any right to be. I doubt any future bill with real teeth will get passed. Besides, it's not the only source of corruption.

[–]fuckusnowman 19 ポイント20 ポイント

The Amazon reviews disagree that is a "really, really excellent novel":

1) Adequate production values and a serviceable reading by James Naughton cannot save this audiobook from a truly awful story that tries to pass off a rightist political manifesto with Fascist underpinnings as an entertaining thriller. The silly plot focuses on our hero, a macho U.S. Congressman, who punches out the National Security Advisor in the President's presence, spouts that slain U.S. Congressmen got what they deserved, calls Congressmen who oppose his agenda "pansies," and, finally, joins a plot to kill another Fed with assassins who just happen to include an old Marine buddy and the Congressman's own grandfather. The assassins are all just good Americans, demanding at one point that the President sponsor a crime bill, of all things, or else! They are noble reformers, with a dirty job to do, rubbing out corrupt politicians. This reactionary diatribe is not recommended.

2)An underwhelming first technothriller originally self-published. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter,'' says Michael O'Rourke to his girlfriend, thus justifying the triple murder of a US senator and a pair of congressmen. They didn't deserve to live, he further insists, guilty as they were of mismanaging their country's business. In fact, virtually all politicians--Republicans and Democrats alike--are similarly guilty. Still, the assassinations are meant not merely as punishment but as a warning. Politicians had better shape up, be upright, set aside partisanship, and balance the budget. Or else. Young Michael, the hero of Flynn's dismal fable, is himself a congressman--the exception that proves the rule. He's sore at his government and has his reasons. His parents were killed in an automobile accident; the driver of the other car, it turned out, was a drunk, a repeat offender, who should have been off the streets, in jail. Due to the aforementioned mismanagement, however, the government can't build enough prisons. Nor is this mismanagement accidental; rather, its the inevitable result of self-serving cabals and wicked conspiracies. And as a variety of the aforesaid cabals maneuver to stop the terrorists, Michael finds himself caught squarely in the middle, very much on his own. While there are conspiracies galore here, much of the novel has an undercrafted feel to it: one-dimensional types, clumsy, often careless writing. (Flynn's heroine has big brown eyes''; afreedom fighter'' has ``bright blue eyes''--information delivered frequently, each time as if newly minted.) At length, the cabal is thwarted, the once misunderstood terrorist vindicated. You're not going to believe what's on this, Michael says, handing over the tape that reveals the depth of the conspiracy. He's right. A sure-fire hit for readers who share Flynns political outlook--the government as ogre.

[–]topdeck55 15 ポイント16 ポイント

Vince Flynn was a frequent guest on conservative radio so I'll assume there is a political divide in readership.

[–]knoblauch 6 ポイント7 ポイント

If you get off on vigilante justice and pretend you're a Navy SEAL when your parents let you have the house to yourself, this is an EXCELLENT novel.

[–]ARGUMENTUM_EX_CULO 7 ポイント8 ポイント

I noticed I saw less indictment of his writing and more butthurt over his perceived political beliefs.

[–]doughboy011 0 ポイント1 ポイント

It was a simple book, but very entertaining.

[–]DaManmohansingh [score hidden]

As an Indian who has often wished somebody would systematically off some of the more corrupt and venal politicians in my country, I quite enjoyed the book. I honestly did not pick up on any political agenda.

As pulp fictiony action thriller with a serviceable plot, it works. Have read it twice and enjoyed it both times.

[–]nametheoccupation 4 ポイント5 ポイント

you know what? one day you're going to realize that your worst nightmare is coming true. no, not that the nsa is spying on you. even worse: no one gives a shit about you. you can talk about revolution and killing people from the safety of your computer all you like; that's easy for you to do.

[–]TheyFoundMyOldOne [score hidden]

Remind Me! 1 day

[–]boredguy12 1 ポイント2 ポイント

books, art, and music are more important and relevant than you think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqC_Gma221M

[–]Zagrobelny 1 ポイント2 ポイント

From Library Journal: Adequate production values and a serviceable reading by James Naughton cannot save this audiobook from a truly awful story that tries to pass off a rightist political manifesto with Fascist underpinnings as an entertaining thriller.

Sounds great!

[–]mrbooze 6 ポイント7 ポイント

History calls this a "revolution".

Or sometimes "an election".

If you keep re-electing corrupt officials, then you deserve corrupt officials.

[–]fabio-mc 27 ポイント28 ポイント

Here is a little nit pick about Brazilian government:

Some years ago, we elected a clown to the position of senator. Literally, he was a television clown before being elected. And now he is one of the most hard working and less corrupt of them, while we have some of the older politicians in this country being re elected while we know they are just a bunch of corrupt assholes who miss half of the days of work and know very little about a lot of important subjects. Moral of the story: Elect clowns, they do a better job as politicians than politicians themselves.

[–]15thpen 3 ポイント4 ポイント

[–]FreshCrabMEAT [score hidden]

Or not. Italy tried that route with Beppe Grillo and he turned out to an odious populist shithead.

Link to the Brazillian senator?

[–]fabio-mc [score hidden]

I'd love to link some of his feats in the congress are in portuguese. He is known by the name "Tiririca" and was nominated for a prize as one of the best congressman in 2012, he never skipped any day of work (something very common here, given that only 9 people of the whole congress did this) and if memory serves, he also tried to get involved in the education committee of the congress because he lacked education during most of his life and he wanted to change how badly treated the public education here in Brazil is. He was also never accused of being involved in any crime or corruption during his time in the congress. For now, he is not that big in the political life here, but he surely shows more dedication than most politicians here.

Funny thing is, another TV personality, a man who participated in a Big Brother reality show was also elected, and he is one of the most prominent members of the congress in the fight against homophobia, racism and sexism in the congress, his name is Jean Wyllys. And Romario, the ex-football player was also elected and he is also doing a terrific job, he was one of the people who fought against Brazil hosting the world cup due to how Fifa handles the world cup and all the corruption and waste of money that this brought.

[–]FreshCrabMEAT [score hidden]

Actually (I don't speak Portugese) they sound like pretty good people from their Wikipedia profiles.

Do you like Dilma by the way? I like foreign elections, and the upcoming Brazilian ones look interesting.

[–]fabio-mc [score hidden]

To be sincere? I kinda like her. But thing is: I just don't have much to complain about her. Her time as a president was really calm and stable, nothing that happened by her decision would be different if someone else was the president at the time (I mean, if she does a bad decision people jump on her neck, but the candidates these people like would have probably done the same thing if they were president). She also made some advances in some aspects of the society that I think are very relevant, like same-sex marriage that happened in her term, her government tried to push some anti-homophobia campaigns in schools but was shut down by the evangelist group in the congress, and also some changes in taxing and prices of essential products.

Her worst controversy relates to the project of a dam that would destroy part of a forest to generate more energy to a huge part of the country, and to be real, no president would have handled that differently, because there is little to do in these cases, your hands are tied by several factors. In the end, I'd vote in Dilma if there was no one better available, she had a good term and I wouldn't mind if the next 4 years were this stable.

[–]vertigo1083 11 ポイント12 ポイント

I don't know of any countries who routinely kill their officials when their terms are up, and elect new ones.

[–]David-Puddy 4 ポイント5 ポイント

no, but i love the concept.

like for a book, or a d&d campaign or something

[–]beerob81 4 ポイント5 ポイント

They are generally good at garnering easy votes because they have the corporate funding. It's the corporations that are responsible

[–]mrbooze 3 ポイント4 ポイント

They are able to garner corporate funding because they are good at getting people to vote for them.

What Levitt’s study suggests is that money doesn’t necessarily cause a candidate to win — but, rather, that the kind of candidate who’s attractive to voters also ends up attracting a lot of money. So winning an election and raising money do go together, just as rain and umbrellas go together. But umbrellas don’t cause the rain.

http://freakonomics.com/2012/01/12/does-money-really-buy-elections-a-new-marketplace-podcast/

[–]drunkenvalley 9 ポイント10 ポイント

Who are "you" in this? And do you not realize how ridiculous the election process is as far as many positions go? Gerrymandering has caused a real shitfest of problems.

[–]mrbooze 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Gerrymandering just puts one party in power. If "you"--the electorate--keep re-electing corrupt officials exclusively because they are in your chosen party, then you still deserve corrupt officials.

It is entirely possibly for a gerrymandered district to elect someone from another party, if the electorate gave enough of a shit to do so.

[–]skids1971 0 ポイント1 ポイント

This Is why I hate that people align with a certain party. Vote with your head, not because its a blue guy or red guy. Stupid commonfolk

[–]raihder 2 ポイント3 ポイント

The type of people that join politics are mostly all the same though. If they weren't when they joined they end up being corrupt. Everything should be decided by us, we dont even need politicians all we need to nation wide votes on things.

[–]garytencents 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Oh tell another one! No stop my tummy hurts!

[–]Byarlant [score hidden]

You know that sometimes you have to choose between plague and cholera? You don't really have a choice. And don't get me started on being a candidate yourself if you want things to change, did you see how much money you need for a successful campain nowadays?

[–]Gfdbobthe3 [score hidden]

We're stuck in a two party political system. The party elects and supports candidates which is how they get the support they need to be elected. The problem is that not every one completely agrees with one party or the other, while some few almost completely agree with a "third" party which screws them, since if you aren't a democrat or republican (in most cases) you have no chance of getting what ever position you're trying to run for.

[–]couttsphotog 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Technically it would be a revolt unless successful, then it's considered a revolution.

[–]360_squirt [score hidden]

Are you actually scared after writing what you did?

[–]dyangcheng [score hidden]

I have a great movie idea about this. A group of special forces-esque people take over the Whitehouse and lock it down while congress is in session. Representives are taken to "court" and the trial is held publicly on C-Span. They are forced to reveal all their dirty secrets and then get offed one by one. Of course, the public goes bat shit insane and riots happen all over the US. Without a functioning federal government, individual states start to mobilize their national guard to curb the unrest but fail to do so. Similar instances of takeover happen in the capitals of US. We are now in anarchy.

[–]lawrnk [score hidden]

Fucker! He died? I haven't read the latest book!

[–]twelveparsex [score hidden]

A revolution won't happen in the US or in China so long as the government can keep the masses fed, educated and employed. There is simply too much to lose if the revolution either gets crushed or the system that replaces it is no better than the old one.

[–]A_GIANT_DONG 33 ポイント34 ポイント

Tin foil hat level: stapled to head

[–]BrknArmsJlyRnchrCmBx 10 ポイント11 ポイント

Yeah, there are definitely certain congressmen who's throats I would slit if I had the chance.

first of all, no you wouldn't, second of all, this is the stupidest thing i've ever read

[–]lebraveconspiracy 11 ポイント12 ポイント

[A billion citations needed]

[–]veive 4 ポイント5 ポイント

If you're going to do something about a congressmen vote against them in a primary election.

[–]curry_in_a_hurry 13 ポイント14 ポイント

is this a troll post? the score is hidden for me

[–]gradstudent4ever 33 ポイント34 ポイント

Uh...you're seriously comparing corrupt elected officials to an entire justice system that ignored and facilitated a murdering serial rapist? You think the voting public is as helpless against shitty elected politicians as those women were in their situation?

You're either a crazed Teapublican or a troll trying to make those people look bad. But I gotta say, dude, those people do not need your help to look like frothing morons. Relax.

[–]dekmansh 11 ポイント12 ポイント

This. How the fuck did this turn into some bullshit about 'Murica.

[–]MAGICELEPHANTMAN 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Welcome to reddit.

[–]ohyeahreallyyeah [score hidden]

Where anywhere in that crazy-ass comment did it make you think he was a Republican? Or is that just short-hand you've got for "crazy?"

[–]gradstudent4ever [score hidden]

Teapublican. Not the same thing!

[–]sir_snufflepants 18 ポイント19 ポイント

This list is laughable.

Go back to watching V for Vendetta.

[–]nametheoccupation 5 ポイント6 ポイント

lol so brave

[–]jsmooth7 7 ポイント8 ポイント

Yes let's brutally murder our democratically elected government representative. Then we'll definitely get better people in power. Yeap yeap yeap. Good plan.

[–]utilsucks 28 ポイント29 ポイント

Our congress controls the most powerful country and by extension effects the lives of our ENTIRE PLANET. They are LITERALLY more harmful to us than Hitler

Until the American government LITERALLY starts building gas chambers and killing minority groups by the millions, you are LITERALLY wrong.

[–]Poogans 11 ポイント12 ポイント

No, you don't understand. The American government affects ME. That makes it far more insidious than even the worst historical examples, since those actually didn't directly affect me.

[–]FAP-FOR-BRAINS 2 ポイント3 ポイント

nobody is being blocked from voting, religion is not promoted, the rich do occasionally go to jail (Madoff), sexism is not promoted, but all the rest is pretty true.

[–]kung-fu_hippy 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Sometimes you have to think about what kind of world you want to live in. I don't particularly want to live in a world where the laws are decided by who has the most money. But I really don't want to live in a world where the laws are decided by who has the most knives.

Among other things, money buys more knives.

[–]Freddit- [score hidden]

The vast majority of your post is complete bullshit.

Most laughable example, less rights for women.

Women have never in history had as much rights, freedom, and power as they do today. And (despite what you see in the news) it's always getting better.

[–]Samonuh 45 ポイント46 ポイント

Why are so many redditors so blood-thirsty? Get help.

[–]unclefisty 18 ポイント19 ポイント

Its easy to act tough behind a keyboard plus there are all kinds of people on the internet.

[–]Cimeas 14 ポイント15 ポイント

Guess what happens when bored middle class white kids who have never suffered crave excitement and action in their lives? This.

[–]DatPiff916 [score hidden]

Yes and Aurora theater and Sandy Hook and UC Santa Barbara...

[–]thecoffee 17 ポイント18 ポイント

Its easy to sit in judgement of a stranger. Even easier to hope someone will do the deed for you.

In both cases change won't cost them anything.

[–]ademnus 10 ポイント11 ポイント

Yeah when a stranger advocates murder, its really easy to sit in judgement.

[–]OKfour 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Just angry at murderous rapists who throw acid into people's faces and the shitty system that is supposed to stop them but instead lets them go, leaving vigilantism as the only feasible option in a world that reeks of anarchy. No big thaaaaang...

[–]Samonuh 24 ポイント25 ポイント

I wasn't commenting on that. I was commenting on /u/BeyondSight's desire to kill Congressmen.

[–]mekamoari 9 ポイント10 ポイント

He's sure that going on a killing spree in Congress is going to magically solve his country's problems. It's just sad.

[–]OKfour 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Oh. Well, never mind then. Yeah, the things he has listed deserve incarceration and a ruined life, not murder.

[–]Samonuh 1 ポイント2 ポイント

incarceration

I agree with that.

[–]ApplicableSongLyric 0 ポイント1 ポイント

So killing one group of people is okay and another is not.

Alright.

[–]Samonuh 5 ポイント6 ポイント

No, but arguing about the case described in the title of this post would involve a much longer discussion which I personally don't care to get into. It's complicated because the judicial system in that area of the world is so corrupt that trying to seek justice outside of vigilante methods is borderline impossible.

[–]FishFloyd [score hidden]

Pretty much. I'd probably be more okay with somebody massacring SS men then, say, a bunch of nuns.

How about yourself?

[–]FreshCrabMEAT [score hidden]

The idea of justice systems is to end the need for vigilantism. The fact that India had to resport to this is a blow to its Justice system - it's sad all around.

[–]mrbooze 4 ポイント5 ポイント

We do investigate and prosecute bribery. Or at least we used to.

[–]beerob81 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Well now they just wrap bribes in nice little campaign donations...

[–]NuclearStudent 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Sources for a few of those? More specifically-

They poison us Take away our property through fraud Turn us into Wage Slaves Compromise the educations of our children Farm us as consumers for profit Pardon the rich for heinous crimes Promote religion Promote sexism Promote racism They block people from voting. Various war crimes, including, chemical weapons against our own population, war profiteering (there's a big bloody difference between immoral war profiteering and murdering friendlies), the murder of our soldiers for personal profit

I have not heard the good word from the NSA, but I need a source on about two thirds of these things.

[–]IamMNightShyamalan 5 ポイント6 ポイント

  • they raped her
  • they murdered her
  • they killed her children

[–]TownIdiot25 21 ポイント22 ポイント

  • promote religion

The fedora is strong in this one.

[–]snakemistakes 11 ポイント12 ポイント

Really? You think we should be cutting people up for accepting bribes. That's an entirely new level of extremist.

[–]urinella [score hidden]

NSA marked him as extremist². Now he's on the same list as Miley Cyrus, Ron Paul and Pope Francis.

[–]logrusmage 3 ポイント4 ポイント

...unless you severely tighten the definition of bribe you'd end up killing our entire governing body.

[–]sirtophat 11 ポイント12 ポイント

They poison us

How?

Take away our property through fraud

What are you talking about? There's eminent domain but that's not really abused

Turn us into Wage Slaves

As opposed to communism right? We're not ready for communism yet, capitalism's going to have to stay for a while

Compromise the educations of our children

Maybe? I don't really think common core is that bad of an idea

Criminalize citizens

Yeah

Terrorize our population

When's the last time you legitimately felt "terrorized" by our government? The hell?

Farm us as consumers for profit

Yeah, I hate our extremely low tax rates compared to other first world countries too

Pardon the rich for heinous crimes

The wall street stuff maybe but nothing like murder

Promote religion Promote sexism Promote racism

..

They monitor, and spy on our own citizens.

That's the NSA, not congress

They remove our power to fight back, mainly through gun restriction

You're delusional if you think you have a chance against our military equipment with ANY gun you happen to own

They block people from voting.

Never heard of this happening

Various war crimes, including, chemical weapons against our own population, war profiteering, the murder of our soldiers for personal profit

this also sounds stupid

[–]emdavid3 [score hidden]

Yeah "Using chemical weapons against our own population" that's bat-shit crazy right there.

[–]wowitsnick [score hidden]

While I agree with you on most of these points, I wonder what experience you have with the common core. I am not a teacher, I have only spoken with teachers and education students, but the consensus seems to be that it is at best a nice but naive idea that is being implemented wicked poorly.

Also do you not view requiring an id for voting as an attempt to block lower income voters and voters with disabilities from voting. I know that the laws are introduced as a means to lessen voter fraud but that hasn't been an issue since bleeding Kansas days of the 1850's.

[–]sirtophat [score hidden]

I've seen earlier-grade common core math. Most people look at it and think it's ridiculous; the number-sentences and everything seem pointless and long-winded. But I think it's good that it tries to make the students think about what's going on and understand the meaning of what they're doing instead of just memorizing multiplication tables or whatever. This will make higher math easier to deal with and lead to more reasoning about problems. Besides this it is apparently being implemented annoyingly but I don't know how bad it is exactly.

Do you normally not need a social security card, license, or state ID to vote? I always assumed you did. Why would lower income people not have a social security card or state ID? Nobody claims it's oppression when you need an ID to buy cigarettes or take out a loan. Or is this some separate ID just for voting such that the means of getting it would be difficult for a poor or disabled person?

[–]blu9987 [score hidden]

No, it's a normal ID/DL... I have no idea what that guy is on about. Not requiring identification is just stupid.

[–]fridaygls [score hidden]

You've never heard of Florida's piebald voting machines? Haha yeah... Florida's pretty great.

[–]Dolewhip [score hidden]

From your post history you look like a seasoned complainer, but what are you doing to stop any of this?

[–]BeyondSight [score hidden]

  • Collecting information
  • Studying encryption and developing my own privacy applications
  • Consulting with other programmers developing encryption applications
  • Raising awareness
  • Promoting safe but prominent gun rights
  • Making lists

[–]FreshCrabMEAT 6 ポイント7 ポイント

You think India is the world's most powerful country?

also lol at "more harmful to us than Hitler". Even the BJP and INC at their worst aren't massacring entire ethnic groups. Grow up.

[–]Metuu 4 ポイント5 ポイント

He's talking about the US...

[–]FreshCrabMEAT 8 ポイント9 ポイント

oh lol then he's even more ludicrously misinformed, stupid and hyperbolic

Also, I wish the mods made in a bannable offence to shoehorn the US into every thread about world politics. Are Redditors so insular they cannot comprehend life outside their own bubble?

"AP: Corruption endemic in Latin America, Africa and rest of developing world

Comments: That's nothing compared to the US, remember SOPA!!!!??!?!?!"

etc.

[–]Metuu 4 ポイント5 ポイント

I totally agree.

[–]Metuu 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I hope you are a troll and aren't serious... Treason? Good luck, you just ended up on someone's watch list.

[–]extremeftw 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Lol.

That is one of the most pathetically stupid things I have ever read on this website. You should consider visiting /r/conspiracy, you would be a perfect addition to the extremely intellectually stimulating folk there.

[–]Wallabee_Kingpin [score hidden]

So, are you saying that the number of offences listed have not taken place? Which ones specifically?

[–]cantbeserioushere 3 ポイント4 ポイント

You're the #5 comment on my page actually, and I read the word "hitler", that was really fast, even to Reddit standard. Bravo.

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[–]themanbat 10 ポイント11 ポイント

Jesus. Have any corporations thrown you or any of your family members into a concentration camp or oven lately? Grow up.

Edit - First off. Beyond Sight in his edit removed his statement that congressmen had done more to hurt us than Hitler. So if anyone wonders why I'm talking Nazis that's why I'm talking Nazis.

Second. I'm not telling him to grow up because of his political opinions. I'm telling him to grow up because he's openly advocating for murder and the violent overthrow of elected representatives. Here's a better idea. If you don't agree with them, protest, campaign and vote them out of power! There's a new election every couple of years you know. Oh wait... That sounds like too much work? It's supposed to be hard you ignorant motherfuckers. If you genuinely believe that murder is the better route just because it's easier, fuck you. You deserve to end up in jail.

[–]15thpen 12 ポイント13 ポイント

I don't know BeyondSight's politics so I can't speak for them. And by the looks of it he is a bit farther to the left than me, but BeyondSight does bring up some good points.

I'm about as libertarian as you can possibly get but I'm worried when I see corporations in bed with the government. When people get locked up in private prisons for victimless crimes, there's something wrong. I have nothing against (free market) capitalism but when private prisons are spending millions on lobbying to ensure that laws are favorable to them - that's not free market capitalism. Your tax money goes to the company that runs the prison which then pays lobbyists to make sure that a steady supply people of keeps flowing into the prison.

So, no, Americans aren't being thrown into ovens, but they are being thrown into private prisons over victimless crimes.

[–]phil_1991 7 ポイント8 ポイント

That's your benchmark? What's your point exactly? He just listed points that have been allowed to happen under what is, ostensibly, a democratic society. When a government gets away with this stuff without accountability it is serious cause for concern, why would you defend those indefensible actions? Because your country hasn't committed a holocaust? Are you fucking kidding me? You should ask for better from the people who are paid to represent you. Shame on you for setting your standards so low.

[–]Pointer1VB 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Again, the original post talked about slitting the throats of politicians, not asking for better. Saying we shouldn't murder politicians is not defending politcians from their actions.

[–]gmarvin 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Except 90% of the things he listed don't actually happen... "Poisoning us"? "Terrorizing the population"? "using chemical weapons against our own population"? Are you kidding me? What fantasy novel is this guy living in? And why the hell is "promoting religion" listed as a bad thing? It's obviously just some teenager trying to be edgy, not realizing that he looks like a total idiot.

[–]phil_1991 [score hidden]

Yeah there's a lot of hyperbole there I agree. But it's not too far off, once you take out the highly subjective and edgy angry young man bits. Also as a Brit the acess to gun control thing made me shake my head a bit, but that's just a cultural thing, we don't see easy access to mass murder devices for all as a human right.

The government did poison it's own citizens in Tuskegee with syphilis for 40 years until 1978. They also monitor all your communications illegally. How about Japanese internment? US government has a checkered past with it's relationship to it's electorate, especially anyone who's not a white middle class male.

How about poisoning and and burning civilians, including many, many children abroad while they illegally invade foreign nations? Or destabilise sovereign states in a covert coup in chile? Or greatly contribute to the Mexican drug trade? Or subsidising Israel even though it's illegally occupying the West Bank? Or consistently fucking with Cuba any way they can? Or venesuala?

Wage slavery is a concept subject to interpretation depending on how you see labour value theory and capitalism. 'imposing' religion on citizens depends on how you think people are interpolated and indoctrinated in society. You can't legitimately say that stuff is inexcusable because a lot of people are pretty happy about the system so it's just that guys opinion. But the other stuff is fact. And it's all the worse because it's a democracy doing it because people, especially Americans, don't tend to be critical enough of their government given the crimes they've committed, in my opinion. Which is why it really pissed me off that the guy was fine with his countries behaviour specifically because they havnt committed a holocaust

[–]OneMoreCraft 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Yep, the office.

But seriously, what is with this disgusting attitude of "we're not being thrown in death camps yet so you have no reason to protest!" It's almost as if you dumbasses want it to get to that point.

[–]Pointer1VB 13 ポイント14 ポイント

we're not being thrown in death camps yet so you have no reason to protest

Umm, protesting versus...

Yeah, there are definitely certain congressmen who's throats I would slit if I had the chance.

are two very different things.

[–]Poogans 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I swear there's some reality disconnect going on here. Am I being fucked with? How can people defend shit like "I want to kill politicians" with statements talking about protesting.

"I'M SORRY, I CAN'T MURDER? I THOUGHT A LITTLE SOMETHING CALLED THE FIRST AMENDMENT STILL MATTERED IN THIS COUNTRY."

It's fucking bonkers.

[–]emdavid3 [score hidden]

"The government read what I posted on Twitter, guess it's time to fucking kill everyone then"

[–]Cimeas 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Protesting is fine, extrajudicial assassination is not.

[–]I_RARELY_RAPE_PEOPLE7 0 ポイント1 ポイント

He is grown up. He knows whats bullshit and speaks his mind without fear.

I mean, if we should bottle up our emotions and thoughts and let things consistently be controlled by those above us and treated like cattle, by all means let me know.

[–]Wallabee_Kingpin [score hidden]

Not me personally, but many of them do rely on forced labor of some sort (sometimes known as slavery)

[–]imaginativeintellect [score hidden]

Is the standard for government decency so low? Well, our representatives are basically bought into congress by corporations or billionaires and thus caters all their policies towards the rich, but hey, at least they're not literally 1940s Germany!

Our government is nowhere near as bad as WWII Germany, but it has major problems that are serious and shouldn't be brushed aside. Just because the person who wrote the comment worded it poorly (sorry it was a little melodramatic at times despite hitting valid points) doesn't mean the entire argument loses validity.

[–]Arriettys_mom 4 ポイント5 ポイント

You're now on a list, probably. Nice knowing you :(

[–]bloodraven42 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Chemical weapons against our own population? They poison us? Oh joy, you're one of those anti - vaccination people aren't you? And you believe in chem trails and fluoride. And you think the NSA is running all those operations? Yeah, you're definitely not the kind of person I want with any power.

[–]sirtophat 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Believe in fluoride? How do you not believe in fluoride

[–]wowitsnick 4 ポイント5 ポイント

He is refering to the tin foil hat belief that flouride is a poison in the concentrations that you would find in drinking water.

[–]nalydpsycho 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Ive seen it. It exists.

[–]Obi_Kwiet 0 ポイント1 ポイント

My precious bodily fluids!

[–]15thpen 2 ポイント3 ポイント

How would you describe yourself politically?

[–]SombreReptile_ [score hidden]

2edgy4u

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[–]Bainshie_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント

This subreddit is amazing :D

[–]fishtankguy 0 ポイント1 ポイント

6 seconds later Knock knock, "Hello Sir, what was you were saying about slitting throats?"

[–]MaxMouseOCX 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Freedom hu? It's a helluva thing.

[–]diffymanglehop 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Taking bets on how soon we'll hear about u/BeyondSight again.

[–]serious_sarcasm [score hidden]

Well, the DCF has been accused of forcing (or turning a blind eye to) foster children into the "sex trade".

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/08/13/child-sex-trafficking-and-the-oklahoma-state-government/

A few years ago I remember an ex-CIA agent whistleblowing human trafficking in America. I couldn't find anything about what came of it.

[–]BeyondSight [score hidden]

added to the list, thanks

[–]oblivious_drawguy [score hidden]

Fuck yeah! You first.

[–]Frankie_Hejduk [score hidden]

Easy there, Shadow the Edgehog.

[–]Driscoll32 [score hidden]

ow the Edge

[–]koji8123 [score hidden]

Promote sexism (less rights for womins) Whoops. Had me up to that point. We all know women have it easier in almost all rights-aspects. I mean, from lighter sentencing to bully tactics and even persuading police to arrest men regardless of a fair investigation or due process based on unfounded evidence just because of a claim of rape.

Inb4 MRA. I'm not. Both MRA and feminists are losers. Both think they fight for equality but only work together amongst themselves to better their own gender

[–]lead999x [score hidden]

When it comes to disclosure the government demands much from business but gives little to the public itself. Who audits the treasury the government, but for public companies the audits are done by external audit firms. If the government wants disclosure it can't hide behind fucking security clearance itself. I don't want to have to pay taxes and then when ask what the money is used for be told "it's classified" and later find out that money was used to violate the constitution. Congress needs to reign in the NSA or shut it down altogether. The law is the law and the government especially the military and the NSA and CIA are not exempt from it. As JFK once said "Americans are free to disagree with the law but not to disobey it." That goes for the executive branch of government as well.

[–]bcmonke [score hidden]

Well, when you put it like that. .

[–]lowllow [score hidden]

I stopped reading after you pointed out things that are complete bullshit. Sexism isn't really an issue. You don't want to be a consumer farm, buy less, bike more. Granted, you're always have to consume something, you can cut back your footprint considerbly. Oh look, you're probably on your phone or computer using the internet that you paid for. Nobody made you buy this this. And racism, although still rampant between individuals, as a whole, it's non-existang against blacks, if that were the case, the treyvon martin case would of turned out differently. They actually went to court and gave it a fair trail. Gasp! The horror.

[–]redlightsaber [score hidden]

Not saying you're wrong, but do you have a source on the android backdoor thing? I'm genuinely curious (and concerned) given that a) I have an android phone, and b) I thought this would have been extremely hard given it's open source nature (at least for people who use non-commercial ROMs).

[–]BeyondSight [score hidden]

Google has progressively been closing the "open source" nature of android for awhile, at least in most of the mobile market. I personally keep my phone rooted, and it's been progressively more difficult.

Also, while I'm searching for it, I don't have direct evidence. On the other hand, nearly every medium is compromised in security. So even if they don't have an android back door, they certainly have access to your phone company/internet company, emails, lack of encryption on your phone, and so forth.

[–]urinella [score hidden]

That's the spirit!

[–]BeyondSight [score hidden]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[–]PleaseRespectTables [score hidden]

┬─┬ノ(ಠ_ಠノ)

[–]Amusaru [score hidden]

I love you.

[–]BeyondSight [score hidden]

I love you too. ಥ_ಥ

[–]SweetPrism [score hidden]

This is amazing. This...is the voice I wish I had, but don't.

[–]eatshitanddienow [score hidden]

So much angst.

[–]Firadin [score hidden]

At this point I'm just hoping this post is being ironically upvoted

[–]Sean___ [score hidden]

you are an absolute 100% thorough bred idiot. everyone is now dumber because of your post. may god have mercy on anyone that come across your moronic list of bludgeoning assumptions of which you deem kill worth offenses. jesus, fucking, christ.