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Not to the person with religious beliefs. Hobby Lobby believes that life begins the moment an egg is fertilized by a sperm. Their right to believe this and to live their lives and conduct their business in accordance with that belief is specifically protected by the Constitution. It's the very first amendment. The drugs they don't want to pay for interfere with the egg, post-fertilization, so in their minds it interferes with a life.

But really, all of that is moot. If Hobby Lobby believed that taking ella caused someone to be possessed by Satan, the outcome of the case would have been the same. Science is an irrelevant distraction in the Constitutional question of whether certain companies should have to act against their religious beliefs, in a limited set of circumstances.

It's not Hobby Lobby's fault this was a case. This kerfuffle is the result of bad legislation that was rushed though congress, without bi-partisan or even popular support, passed in the dead of night and without being thoroughly understood by its very authors ("We'll have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it.") Maybe if Democrats were actually concerned with people's ability to access affordable health insurance, instead of just trying to secure more power for the State, Obamacare could have been viable and successful.

[–]TheOriginalShummy 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間前

Way to partially quote me and not understand science. I said science trumps religious belief ON HOW A DRUG WORKS. You are, and they are, flatly wrong that the drug's primary mode of action. It (elle, plan b, iud, etc.) prevents fertilization. This is medical fact. News flash, the egg isn't fertilized moments after copulation. Moreover, if you, or they, are going to argue that implantation interference is against your religion even if it is a minor, secondary mode of action, then you (they) are being hypocritical. 10 of the other 16 contraceptives ALSO inhibit implantation as a secondary mode of action. This isn't hyperbole. It's medical/scientific fact. The modes of action on listed right on the manufacturer's websites for these other 10 drugs. So again, I maintain my stance that science trumps religious beliefs on how something works.

[–]robotoverlordzReagan Conservative 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間前

It (elle, plan b, iud, etc.) prevents fertilization.

And they can also prevent implantation. And, apparently, there's a lot of debate on just how often that happens with Ella.

Look man, don't come at me with attitude. I know how pregnancy works. My point (and the SCOTUS') is that none of that matters. You want Hobby Lobby to pay for Ella or Plan-B, you convince them that implantation is required for conception and that, even naturally, it does not occur 100% of the time. Maybe they'll be swayed by that argument, but if not, that's just too bad. Because what you don't do is order them, under penalty of law, to violate their consciences and act against their beliefs.

Again, maybe if the Left wasn't so aroused by controlling other people's lives, we'd have a lot less of this horrible, messy legislation that should never have seen the light of day in the United States of America.

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