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[–]zombient 146 ポイント147 ポイント

M'lady

[–]Analbox 65 ポイント66 ポイント

http://i.imgur.com/RG3Jwu7.png

[–]spielbug -1 ポイント0 ポイント

That lady has a man-face.

[–]PERSECUTED_MAN 115 ポイント116 ポイント

M'false rape accuser

[–]OffensiveTroll 19 ポイント20 ポイント

10/10

[–]berserker87 55 ポイント56 ポイント

Wow that perfectly sums up a lot of redditor's view of women.

[–]PERSECUTED_MAN 30 ポイント31 ポイント

I wonder why.

[–]berserker87 59 ポイント60 ポイント

Lack of exposure to actual women due to being an undersocialized internet dweller + misguided availability heuristic provided by /r/mensrights and tpr.

EDIT: There are less than 8,000 "unfounded" allegations of rape a year. There are a lot of reasons for an accusation to be considered "unfounded," some percentage of those allegations are the "false accusations" that PERSECUTED_MAN is talking about.

So when he says "I wonder why" a lot of redditors view women as "false-rape accusers," I'm left to speculate. I have idea why someone would view half the population based on something that .004% of the population may have done. Ask PERSECUTED_MAN.

[–]heytheremare 1 ポイント2 ポイント

If I had gold to give you, man you earned it.

[–]spazturtle 1 ポイント2 ポイント

There are less than 8,000 "unfounded" allegations of rape a year. There are a lot of reasons for an accusation to be considered "unfounded," some percentage of those allegations are the "false accusations" that PERSECUTED_MAN is talking about

That's not include the people who got convicted after being falsely accused.

[–]berserker87 0 ポイント1 ポイント

How many?

[–]masterof80smetal 1 ポイント2 ポイント

So what you're trying to say is that, if said man is accused of multiple scenarios of "rape" (that never happened) and gets 20-30 years possibly life in prison over something that never happened, and yet the woman found guilty of lying is only getting 3.5 years max despite making the entire thing up? I don't care who you are, that sounds really, really like a load of bullshit.

While i agree, MRA is a little odd sided some-times, there is certain truth points to their arguments.

[–]PERSECUTED_MAN 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I think you'll find that most of us are normal guys. For example, I'm happily married, have a great job and hold a leadership position in my homeowners' association.

[–]nope_nic_tesla 17 ポイント18 ポイント

hold a leadership position in my homeowners' association.

I would not brag about this.

[–]ith 6 ポイント7 ポイント

When I think of HOAs being "social" in any way, I have an image of a group of people talking about how to fuck with the people under the rule of the HOA - kinda like a Nazi planning party or something.

"House 4132 has grass that is 4.24 inches tall - .24 about the max height. Steve - go break his legs and insult his wife."

"House 4215 has had a car parked in front of their house and not in the driveway for TWO DAYS. Sol, go torch the car, fine them, and push their kids over."

"Lauren, Go down the block to house 4351 and tell them to tear down their fence. I know it matches BOTH of their neighbors, but we banned privacy fences in this neighborhood after his neighbors built them, so even though it matches and looks fucking great, it must be taken down. Give him the manual on the lame 3.5 foot slat fence that won't keep anything in or out of their yard."

"Lastly, Gregory... Please go to house 4320 and kick them in the shins because, fuck them. I don't like how they look at me."

That being said, I understand what they are for and do prevent people from letting their property go to hell in a hand-basket, making the rest of the neighborhood look like shit in most cases, but come on, some HOA rules are just fucking ridiculous.

What was the topic again?

[–]PERSECUTED_MAN 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The purpose of mentioning that was to countervail berserker's notion of us being undersocialized Internet dwellers, not to brag.

[–]soMAJESTIC 3 ポイント4 ポイント

I thought it was a joke

[–]nope_nic_tesla 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I have to say, that is the kind of example one would use of how socialized they are if they were in fact undersocialized Internet dwellers.

[–]Hysterics7787 0 ポイント1 ポイント

And I'm just sitting here laughing at all of your guys jackass comments.

First men are generalizing about women, then women are generalizing about men, and then fuck it this is retarded I'm out.

Get your head out of your ass. Everyone is an individual.

[–]PERSECUTED_MAN 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Why?

[–]fibonaccipretzels 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Yeah, but now it's screwing up the convenient idea that all these men fit in a fun little stereotype, like all women who show cleavage are whores who fucking want it hard.

Can't we all be individuals who aren't sterotypes?

[–]HDinSoFla 7 ポイント8 ポイント

Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way, doesn't mean they are a certain way. But ladies understand, that shit is fucking confusing.

[–]Toof 1 ポイント2 ポイント

They don't want your dick, just your attention. Well... not your attention. That guy's. That one over there, the one who is talking to a bunch of women already, and she needs to stand out among the other women and her friends.

[–]john-five -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

It's a good thing. Dudes on the HOA mean there are fewer stereotype soccermoms on the HOA.

[–]Djburnunit 2 ポイント3 ポイント

oh for christ's sake.

[–]dan_legend 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Shh, his baseless generalization of your baseless generalization must be held on a pedestal.

[–]MaiPhet 0 ポイント1 ポイント

You definitely sound like a persecuted man

[–]daimposter -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Are you defending mensrights? A place that is a circle jerk of bashing on women????

Top links all-time:

1. Women and their fucking double standard, amirite?

2. Women don't believe guys can raise a child, amirite?

3. Women with all their false rape accusations, amirite?

5. Women think only men can be abusive, amirite?

It's a circle jerk that breeds a little sexism from it. It's like imgoingtohell --- it might not be meant for racist and sexist people, but it filled with racist/sexist users and their circle jerk. When I first started actually using reddit, I would check imgoingtohell. After a few months, I realized that they weren't just joking, many were actually fucking full on racist (comment history showed more proof). The nail in the coffin was some comic with full 1920's blackface style characters acting stupid and stealing shit ---- and there was no joke. It was highly upvoted.

[–]blazinganj 1 ポイント2 ポイント

All of those links you just provided pretty thoroughly debunk the claim you were trying to support with them. Those are great examples of some of the issues men are facing in today's society.

Every group has a few bad apples and the Men's Rights subreddit is no different, however most of the people that are there just to bash women get downvoted. Sure, men have it easier than women in some ways, but they also face a number of issues that women do not face. Just because men, as a whole, may be better off than women (which is debatable in itself), it does not mean that there are no disadvantages men face.

There are real problems that need attention in today's society and the goal of MRAs is to draw attention to them, not to just bash women. Something that the radical feminist and SJW-types seem to fail to realize is that it doesn't have to be "us vs them" all the time. In fact, rational feminists and MRAs are usually working toward the same goal, the egalitarian goal of equality for everyone, regardless of their sex.

To stereotype everyone who recognizes these issues and works to remedy them as women-hating neckbeards is just being willfully ignorant, petty, and stupid. It is a one of the biggest circle jerks on reddit and the internet as a whole, so if you have a problem with circle jerks then maybe you should stop participating in them.

[–]Djburnunit 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I am seriously suggesting you format big blocks of text for the reader's benefit.

Paragraph breaks facilitate comprehension, and make it more likely a reader reaches the conclusion of your comment – which is worth reading.

[–]blazinganj 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Yeah, I'm bad about that sometimes, I'll edit it.

[–]daimposter -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Those are great examples of some of the issues men are facing in today's society.

Yeah, men have it so rough in today's society. And so do whites, right? Whatever the intention of the sub, it just attracts a lot of sexist people and then that will then shape what gets upvoted and downvoted.

Every group has a few bad apples and the Men's Rights subreddit is no different

Yet, when many sexist comments are posted, I look at their comment history and often see mensrights. I'm also starting to see a lot of theredpill.

Just because men, as a whole, may be better off than women (which is debatable in itself)

Yup, you do have that "poor males in today's society". And interestingly enough, I just looked at your history, and YUP.....imgoingtohellforthis is there as well. I just finished saying both mensrights and imgoingtohellforthis are red flags for sexist people. You're also a regular on tumblrinaction --- another place that draws a lot of scum....lots of sexist guys that want to make fun of SJW's or whatever you guys call them.

You have a shit ton of redflags. We won't come to an agreement. You might as well subscribe and contribute to a sub where you talk about how white people have it harder than minorities in today's society. Sure, you may have posts that is factually correct about a black person that committed a crime on a white person --- but the place is going to have a negative effect on any race relation discussion and will be come a circle jerk about how "blacks (or hispanics) are terrible".

[–]blazinganj 1 ポイント2 ポイント

You're an idiot. None of your long response is actually anything more than just your prejudiced opinion. Your default argument is "men have it better than women so there can't possibly be any issues that are worth examining" and that is just being willfully ignorant out of spite. You're the type of person who can be presented with any amount of evidence that is contrary to your opinion and you'll still cling to your opinion. You don't want to see things from any perspective other than your own because then you'll realize that your rhetoric is based on prejudices and not fact. You'll realize you are wrong and you're too arrogant to accept that.

[–]ProN00b 0 ポイント1 ポイント

So are all feminists tumbler feminists then?

[–]daimposter -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

I have no idea what you just said or are trying to say. It seems like something from tumblrinaction.

[–]ProN00b 0 ポイント1 ポイント

So if a feminist is a manhating woman who just want more rights for women and less for men, does that somehow make all feminists like her? That's the logic you seem to support.

[–]berserker87 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Who is "most of us?" Dudes that refer to women in general as "false rape accusers?"

Oh shit, so you're one of them.

[–]PERSECUTED_MAN 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I mean most of the mra/rp guys.

[–]berserker87 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I feel like you're doing "most of the mra/rp guys" a disservice by equating "most of them" to people that refer to women in general as "false rape accusers."

Around 90,000 people a year report being raped in the US.

Let's say every single one of them is a woman.

8% of rape accusations are said to be "unfounded."

Let's say every unfounded accusation is a false accusation.

That gives us 7,200 false rape accusers a year.

There are ~161,000,000 women in the US.

7,200/161,000,000 = 0.00004472049

[–]ProN00b 1 ポイント2 ポイント

That is very unclear what unfounded means.

[–]Iberollinantrollin -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Not all women

[–]ProN00b -1 ポイント0 ポイント

So you the same kind of person who refers to all feminists as men hating feminazis then?

[–]PERSECUTED_MAN -1 ポイント0 ポイント

They pretty much refer to themselves as such.

[–]RobAgreez -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Wow, that was a lot of adjectives and adverbs

[–]Steel_Pump_Gorilla 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I honestly think that most redditors don't think that, despite the existence of those subs. Plus every comment bashing those subs tends to get upvoted and agreed with in the defaults.

[–]Zenodice 0 ポイント1 ポイント

this post literally raped me.

[–]Theige 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Less than 8,000 reported

[–]DuchessofYanks 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Can you show where you got your stats from? Not trying to be confrontational just interested is all.

[–]berserker87 0 ポイント1 ポイント

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/1996/96sec2.pdf

Most of the studies seem to suggest somewhere between 2-8% are false accusations. That's what the FBI suggests.

[–]BadPunsGuy 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I'm not saying you're wrong but show a source. It's obviously wrong to treat all rape accusations as false, but it is also wrong to treat the accused as guilty especially when there is no evidence and it is just someone's word versus the other. The problem comes from when people have their lives ruined from a false accusation through things like the news even though there was no trial yet. All people should be treated as innocent until proven guilty, that means that the accuser and the accused should both be treated as innocent until they go to trial and then it can be determined who the victim is.

[–]berserker87 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I posted some sources elsewhere.

but it is also wrong to treat the accused as guilty especially when there is no evidence and it is just someone's word versus the other.

Then don't do that. Argue against that. I agree that false rape allegations are terrible, but we're talking about a very small number of people doing this.

The issue with a lot of the MRA arguments aren't that we shouldn't get out the pitchforks before someone has had their day in court, the MRA arguments are that there is an epidemic of women lying just to ruin men's lives. They're arguing that rape accusations shouldn't be taken seriously because the bitch could be lying. Rape victims have a hard enough time reporting it, because they know they're going to be subjected to all kinds of awful horseshit.

The mindset shouldn't be that he's automatically guilty, and it shouldn't be that she's probably lying. The problem with the MRAs are that they're swinging way too far into the "she's probably lying" side. Their argument minimizes or invalidates the tens of thousands of real rape victims to protect the few hundred victims of false accusation.

The problem comes from when people have their lives ruined from a false accusation through things like the news even though there was no trial yet.

That's also the explanation for the perception that this is a much bigger deal than it actually is. The hundred thousand people who actually are raped don't make the news, but the one person that lies about having been raped does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

[–]ashnico 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I would like to have super consensual sex with you berserker87.

[–]Paincer 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I guess it's just their way of, "getting back" at women, particularly femi-nazis who belittle all men and insist that they[women] are the superior gender.

[–]Slight0 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Well, this turned into a feminist circle-jerk quickly.

[–]ProN00b 0 ポイント1 ポイント

How do you count an unfounded rape accusation? Given how hard rape is to prove, the number should be much higher.

[–]JarlaxleForPresident -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

I dont know, just about every chick ive met claims some sort of rape or sexual abuse in their past. Some dude out there is just raping chicks willy nilly

[–]blazinganj 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife!

[–]opinionsatwork -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

I assume you're a woman, so here's .77 of an upvote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/gender-wage-gap_n_3941180.html

[–]lordmadone 0 ポイント1 ポイント

The fact that this myth is still perpetuated, even by the administration, shows how long it takes for truth to get around:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472

http://billmoyers.com/2014/04/08/debunking-the-myth-of-a-mythical-gender-pay-gap/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/

and lots more where that came from.

[–]berserker87 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I'm not a woman or a feminist. There's a difference between being a woman, and calling bullshit on a hyper-sensationalized MRA talking-point.

I assume you're a bit of an imbecile.

[–]Daveaa005 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

*fewer than 8,000

[–]daimposter -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Those guys are mensrights actually think they aren't sexist so prepare for an onslaught.

[–]berserker87 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Judging by all the new "controversial comment" crosses, this thread appears to be a battleground.

[–]6-21-3-11-21 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

How about not all of reddit has the same view of a single sub, PERSECUTED MAN sounds like a troll account (actually is, check his posts), and you're prejudiced? measure your words before judging people.

[–]ProN00b -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Because men are evil duh.

[–]Twise09 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Cuz we a bunch of ladies men?

[–]okreddit545 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

strong username to comment ratio

[–]mainstreaminghipster 0 ポイント1 ポイント

And my axe!

[–]EBeast99 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Khaleesi.

[–]TheFerricGenum -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

I'Faith