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Two year transformation! (self.Fitness)

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[–]dellpowerGeneral Fitness 151 ポイント152 ポイント

THIS IS NOT AN ACCUSATION. Did you do a steroid cycle?

[–]Hoagie_the_bear[S] 119 ポイント120 ポイント

Personally, I have never and will never use steroids or any form of growth hormone. Not that I have anything against anyone who does, I just enjoy making a game out of "my journey" and going at a pace I can control on a daily basis.

[–]ehjay1337 71 ポイント72 ポイント

This is why I love fitness, it's you against yourself.

[–]Hoagie_the_bear[S] 32 ポイント33 ポイント

So true

[–]joleme 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Very true, unfortunately for myself.... thin minded me always loses and ends up getting sat on by actual fat minded me. :(

[–]Galeper [score hidden]

Have positive thoughts my friend. Always think positive. That halps a lot

[–]Kwizkey [score hidden]

He's on gear... That picture with the monkey says it all.

[–]xvaier 21 ポイント22 ポイント

Yes! I don't judge people who use gear, but it sure as hell feels good to see someone achieving similar aesthetics completely naturally! Way to go man, you have motivated me to actually work on my diet and not just lift!

[–]Hoagie_the_bear[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント

Can't tell you how humbling that is man, thanks again. Diet is extremely important and so many of us forget that! Let me know if you ever need anything, I'd be glad to help.

[–]xvaier 17 ポイント18 ポイント

I will definitely take up on that offer! Do you mind sharing an example daily meal plan on a cut and on a bulk? You could probably edit that into your original post!

[–]matt8hew88 7 ポイント8 ポイント

Would definitely like to see this. I struggle a lot sometimes despite all the advice out there

[–]Wanchor1 [score hidden]

chicken, chicken and more chicken

[–]detlefschrempf11 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Jw how much weight do you lift? Squat/Dead/Bench?

[–]datboy86 [score hidden]

nigguh u lying.

[–]thatslikeme 23 ポイント24 ポイント

Hijacking the top comment! I think OP owns or is affiliated with fitztar.com. Him and his sister/gf/wife (who I won't name) are registered and I can find posts by her advertising online. He also says he posts healthy meals, weekly workout routines, and supplementation advice... but then acts naive about steroids. Hmm.

[–]what_progress 14 ポイント15 ポイント

Yeah, OP is full on juicing and also full of shit. He would just come right out and say it, if it wasn't a career-killing move.

[–]thatslikeme 7 ポイント8 ポイント

Shame, I stupidly believed him for a minute

[–]goombapoop [score hidden]

Got any proof?

[–]XCGod [score hidden]

They never do. This is possible the most accusative and jealous fitness communities there is and it seems to justify peoples own failures in fitness/diet.

[–]throwwarrior [score hidden]

Prepare to get downvoted, buddy. I'm on your side though.

[–]XCGod [score hidden]

I'm OK with that. What bothers me is that I'm sure now that I will get accused when I post my progress pics in a few weeks.

[–]xvaier 4 ポイント5 ポイント

I too, am curious because if you say no it is really gonna help my motivation!

Edit: Oh, and even if you did, holy shit nice transformation man, you look fucking amazing!

[–]thekidwiththefro 13 ポイント14 ポイント

Yea and its also noting that there is nothing wrong with doing steroids safely

[–]99639 19 ポイント20 ポイント

Really? I ask out of ignorance.

[–]ReeferGladness 14 ポイント15 ポイント

Many people in the fitness world will not judge someone who uses steroids so long as they admit to it or at least do not claim to be natural. You can only get your body so far naturally and you can look like a fully trained natural after much less time if you take steroids, so there is a definite upside to taking them assuming youre not against the illegality of drugs in general.

[–]99639 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Personally I think there is no sanctuary more sacrosanct than a person's own body. The government and society should have no ability to control what I want to do to myself, aside from public health threats like quarantine of someone with something like TB. Even if I judge someone, it doesn't mean I should be able to do more than make a comment.

At any rate, I was under the impression that use of anabolic steroids lead to side effects which were unavoidable, but I don't know much about the topic.

[–]ReeferGladness 1 ポイント2 ポイント

There are many ways to reduce the effects but it is person to person. While you may have bad sides from a drug I might have no issue.

[–]99639 1 ポイント2 ポイント

In what circumstances should they be used? As initial aids or to push an already well developed body into new territory? Is it possible to maintain afterwards or do you require life-long use to keep it up?

[–]ReeferGladness 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I haven't used steroids only read up on them so hopefully someone with experience can jump in. I would recommend perusing /r/steroids for information as well.

Most recommendations from what I've read say that you should train seriously for several years, then when you are looking to push yourself to that next level, to go for it. You could use them right away and they would work but the human body builds muscle much more easily in the first years of lifting naturally so that is why the recommendation is to wait.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html

as you can see in the table, after 3-4 years steroids become much more appealing so that you can get back to the fast muscle gain you experienced in the first years of your lifting career.

You will experience muscle loss when you stop taking steroids but with proper eating and lifting you can maintain a higher weight than before you took the steroids.

Edit: If you're a middle aged man and lifting, look into TRT.

[–]connorcook13 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Controlled cycles with reasonable doses and post cycle therapy are the most efficient and safe way to make huge strength and definition gains. Check /r/steroids if you have a genuine interest.

[–]99639 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Is it possible to avoid side-effects? Or perhaps just mitigate them to low levels? I am genuinely curious, just for edification.

[–]Kwizkey [score hidden]

Depends on your genetics. Some people react intensely and badly, others come away on high dosage completely scott free.

[–]connorcook13 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Using AI's (aromatisse inhibitors) will minimize your chances for side effects during a cycle, but proper dosages are the key to avoiding side effects. Some side effects are unavoidable, but almost all are reversible or go away after the cycle or with post-cycle therapy.

[–]99639 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I was reading that sub and it sounds like these are best used to push an already extremely well developed body a little further, rather than being useful for starting off in general. Is that fair?

[–]Peb11 0 ポイント1 ポイント

that is usually the general consensus. A beginner IMHO shouldn't go anywhere near them, but once you get to more of an elite level it becomes a choice.

[–]morphotomy 0 ポイント1 ポイント

almost

So what kinds stuff ends up sticking around for life?

[–]SearchAllDayPowerlifting 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Gainz.

[–]dhosdajew 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Honestly, dude has a great body body, but doesn't really look like steroids to me. Keep in mind he primarily trained upper body, and this was over two years. But most importantly his body fat isn't alarming low nor is his muscle mass exceptionally high. I mean dude is shredded and all, but not outside the realm of natural gains.

Looks more like great training, nutrition and dedication to me.

[–]eagleshigh [score hidden]

Personally can't wait till.people tell me that I did steroids. Someone accused me last year I laughed. He said there's no way i can get that big in a short amount of time. Alls I did was eat right and go on a good lifting plan and lost fat and gained muscle. Feels good when people.accuse you of steroids use

[–]66245 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

You realize saying you did would be kind of like uploading yourself committing a crime to YouTube. He did nothing to hide his identity, even though there's nothing to indicate the DEA is going after users online, given the government's actions in the past, would it really be a surprise if they did?

Most people are going to believe what they're going to believe regardless of what a person says anyways.

[–]morphotomy 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Can't chem-test a video bro. He could be injecting saline. I can't even start to tell you about the molly/ketamine/ecstasy I see every weekend on my instagram feed.

Unless they send a guy in to get a physical sample, the video is just a performance piece.

[–]StatutoryGrape95Boxing 6 ポイント7 ポイント

You're paranoid. The DEA is too busy busting medical dispensaries to worry about kicking your door in for saying you used steroids on reddit. I doubt they could get a warrant for that anyway.

[–]fizzax 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I do really doubt the DEA cares at all, but it could really hurt him in things like future jobs.

[–]1havok 2 ポイント3 ポイント

There are plenty of valid reasons why someone may not admit to steroid use if they are using their picture and are easily recognizable. A friend/ someone they know may easily see the admittance and spread gossip about a poster.

[–]morphotomy 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Could be worried that he'll gain a following that will immediately walk away when they realize hes a technology-produced robot.

[–]timlardnerBodybuilding -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Steroids are legal in a lot of countries.

[–]66245 0 ポイント1 ポイント

OP is from the US.

[–]timlardnerBodybuilding 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Ah, fair enough.