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I'm actually Tupac. (i.imgur.com)

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[–]TheCoachMcGuirk -16 ポイント-15 ポイント

How is this different from Dave Chappelle or Eddie Murphy putting makeup on to look like white people and doing sketches? Other than the fact that Chappelle and Murphy were funny when they did this. I don't see why people freak out about blackface when black comedians regularly don whiteface.

edit: Bring on the periwinkle question marks. My body is ready and I still stand by what I said.

[–]Nadkins 18 ポイント19 ポイント

Really?

well, for one there's the long history of black face being used to disparage and insult black people. Google minstrel shows if you've never heard of them.

There's also the fact that there's still a huge amount of racism directed at black people today, both institutional and on a personal level, while institutional racism against whites is non-existent. When a white person does black face, especially is the U.S. it brings up a very racist history. when someone like Dave Chappelle does it, it seriously doesn't matter. White people aren't actively discriminated against on a daily basis, there's no history of people using white face to degrade white people, and white people, as a whole, are in a position of power anyway, it's just not the same thing.

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    [–]Nadkins 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    It does matter what was done in the past because it influences what is happening now. Racism is still a very real, very prevalent thing.

    [–]sic_transit_gloria 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    I don't think it's always wrong for black OR white people to wear makeup and dress up as a different race. Whether it's okay or not heavily relies on the content of the joke and how the comedian uses it. As I posted to the guy with the original question, often times blackface or whiteface is used to make fun of the idea of that blackface and whiteface is even used at all in a serious manner, as well as making fun of common racial stereotypes with the intent of making a joke.

    Intent and execution plays huge role in how acceptable something is. In this girl's case, I don't know if she's actually racist or not but her execution of the "joke" she was making was horrible - there isn't any joke. The joke is "haha, look I'm black because there's brown shit on my face" and that's not very funny, just racist. There is a very fine line between comedy and racism when you're making jokes regarding race. Unfortunately this girl came nowhere even close to the line.

    [–]ManMadeOfBacon 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    It doesn't matter what was done in the past. This is the present.

    Yeah, that's not how reality works buddy. Things don't happen in little closed-off vacuums where other events have no influence on them. Historical context is always relevant.

    [–]imyourconcience 9 ポイント10 ポイント

    I think it's because white people were never systematically oppressed by black people whereas it has happened the other way around.

    [–]theworldbystorm 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    Fred Armisen did Obama. Nobody's arguing that an impression it the context of comedy isn't funny. But considering there's a history of white performers doing blackface just because "Ha ha, I'm a black person", it can be offensive. And that is clearly the context here. "Haha, I look black" there's nothing funny or insightful or clever about it. So it's pretty much just racist.

    [–]electriophile 5 ポイント6 ポイント

    How is this different from Dave Chappelle or Eddie Murphy putting makeup on to look like white people and doing sketches?

    There is a very long, very dark history behind blackface. Historical context does matter, as much as psuedo-liberals love to pretend it doesn't.

    [–]capn_untsahts 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    Because whiteface doesn't have an extremely racist history. Its all about historical context.

    [–]Lystrodom 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    History

    [–]TheCoachMcGuirk 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    As if people don't make offensive historical jokes that disparage other groups ALL the time. Jew jokes, Gay jokes, Women jokes, Native American jokes, Mexican (whether or not they're actually Mexican or from some other Latin American country) jokes, Asian jokes, Indian jokes, starving African children jokes, Irish famine/alcoholism jokes, Scots being the scum of the earth jokes, Russian jokes of all kinds, those are all fine and dandy until African Americans get brought into the picture, right? I agree that racism of all kinds is incredibly wrong, but there's a difference between making a racial joke and enslaving or killing a person on racial grounds.

    [–]Lystrodom 4 ポイント5 ポイント

    You were asking about the difference between whiteface and blackface. I told you the difference.

    [–]hithazel -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

    Because Dave Chappelle was actually telling a joke and Eddie Murphy stopped being funny years ago.

    The joke here is literally, "herp derp I am 2pac."

    [–]TheCoachMcGuirk -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

    The Murphy skit I was referring to was done in the 80's, and the joke was basically "look at how this clerk gave me a free paper because I'm white"

    I get it, she's a dumb teenager making a bad joke. The best course of action is to ignore it because in the grand scheme of things, her and her joke are beyond insignificant. Instead, everyone overreacted and got butthurt.

    [–]hithazel 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Everyone reacted because, just like wearing the pointy-headed white ghost outfit, jackass racists have been doing this for a long time. If you are doing it in a way that is indistinguishable from them, then you are indistinguishable from them. You're either a jackass racist or just a jackass.

    [–]TheCoachMcGuirk 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Or maybe I'm just not as easily offended as others. I am most certainly not a racist. Do I find some racial jokes funny? Yes, but jokes aren't real life. Also, your "indistinguishable from them" argument makes no sense.

    If you're still offended by blackface, then you're continuing to allow the problems of racial prejudice to persist, no matter the color of your skin. Guess what? Some fucked up shit happened in America. You can acknowledge that fact and move on, or continue to berate people who make bad jokes instead of ignoring them. You can't control people or change history. They're looking for a reaction, and you gave it to them.

    tl;dr Don't feed the trolls.

    [–]hithazel 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    You're definitely 12 if you think racism is something that happened in the past that people need to just move on from because calling people out is "allowing the problems of racial prejudice to persist"

    [–]TheCoachMcGuirk 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Well it's the fucking reason racism still exists today. People are probably always going to say or make jokes that include racist things. Over-reacting to them is getting nowhere. Ignoring them, and saving the anger for actual racially-driven actions is a better way of snuffing out the problem.

    [–]hithazel 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Have you ever actually dealt with a problem in the real world?

    Since when did pretending something doesn't exist make it go away?

    Calling out people's bullshit is the most effective and time-tested way of making them quit their bullshit. No. Not everyone is always going to say racist bullshit. It's not a necessary part of anyone's life, and they can go ahead and stop if they don't like getting called out for it.

    [–]TheCoachMcGuirk [score hidden]

    Did I say everyone? No, I said people. There are people out there who will consistently be racist, and that's just how they're going to be. Trying to argue with racist people never gets anything done, all it does is feed their desire to spout bullshit because they get attention for it.

    [–]JoaquinBandersnatch 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Well it's the fucking reason racism still exists today.

    No, racists and the idiots that defend them are.

    [–]Etteluor 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    So in your mind, is Robert Downy Jr.'s role in tropic thunder racist? He was in blackface in that movie, so it has to be racist right?

    [–]hithazel -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    I've never seen the movie and couldn't give two shits about Robert Downey Jr.

    More importantly when I said, "If you are doing it in a way that is indistinguishable from them, then you are indistinguishable from them." I was making a point about the way that race can be spoken about and joked about. The idea that "it's a joke! it's not serious! of course it's not racist!" is ridiculous because it's not the attitude of the person that makes something racist.

    If I say, "white people deserve to die because white people are evil, just kidding!" The unseriousness doesn't protect me from the reactions that people have to my statements any more than it would with me saying "you are a fucking jackass who needs to learn how to read before you show up in a thread like this again, just kidding."

    The ultimate result of this bullshit excuse-making about jokes and letting the past be the past is that for a lot of clueless people, they have no fucking idea how stupid AND racist they are. Letting them know is just doing them and society a favor.

    [–]Etteluor [score hidden]

    I'm not reading that, but if you do think that his role, playing a black man, was racist then you're just desperately trying to be offended.

    [–]hithazel [score hidden]

    Well since you didn't read it, I guess I can't blame you for not understanding my point.

    Oh wait yes I can.

    Go away, jackass.

    [–]catroaring -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

    It's not. I laughed at the picture.