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[–]KSOFM 67 ポイント68 ポイント

You are misunderstanding. You WILL see upvotes. The difference is now you will see 1 Point on posts with 50/49 and 1/0 votes. See the issue?

[–]Olyvyr 35 ポイント36 ポイント

It eliminated information - information that many redditors (including myself... somewhat) find useful.

[–]redtaboo 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Information that was incredibly incorrect to begin with so gave us a skewed view of what was happening.

See here and here for just how inaccurate it was 3 years ago, it's likely even further skewed now what with how many more votes (real and fake!) we see on posts. Consider this from the announcement post:

at the time of me writing this, the top post on the front page has gone from showing "57% like it" to "96% like it", which is much closer to reality.

At least for posts now we have a much better idea of how popular something really is.

[–]Spo8 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Exactly. Due to the vote fuzzing, the counts didn't give anyone useful information. It was designed to not offer really meaningful information because it was intended to confuse bots that are trying to game the site.

[–]amorpheus -1 ポイント0 ポイント

But was never exposed without addons anyway...

[–]NewAccountPlsRespond 75 ポイント76 ポイント

Yes, the issue is that you care too much about imaginary internet points.

[–]Nympha 68 ポイント69 ポイント

They're not imaginary, but they are pointless.

[–]IHaveNowhereElseToGo 36 ポイント37 ポイント

Points are pointless...?

[–]Uneducated_Actualist 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Touché, but can you see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?

[–]ShinakoX2 1 ポイント2 ポイント

But will it blend?

[–]into_the_drink 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Because it goes well with milk?

[–]Beetrain 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Sort of like Whose Line

[–]grumprumble 1 ポイント2 ポイント

You got it reversed.

[–]KSOFM 143 ポイント144 ポイント

I want to see how controversial a topic is, fuck me right?

[–]grumprumble 11 ポイント12 ポイント

Why did they remove it anyway? It was pretty useful IMO.

[–]uberamd 34 ポイント35 ポイント

Basically.

[–]yumyumgivemesome -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

Doesn't the % tell you that?

[–]1sagas1 14 ポイント15 ポイント

This is all about comments. Nobody cares about the post numbers being removed.

[–]rieldealIV 11 ポイント12 ポイント

The % doesn't appear for comments.

[–]Cheaba 6 ポイント7 ポイント

And even if it did you have no idea if its 1001/1000 or 1/1.

[–]yumyumgivemesome -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

Yes, you do. In that case, the overall scores would be 1 and 0, respectively.

[–]YesButYouAreMistaken 3 ポイント4 ポイント

1000|999 vs 1|0 is a HUGE difference and tells a lot more about a communities overall feelings on a subject.

[–]euler2718 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Yeah, but if it appeared on the comments, you would be able to see a difference between them, contrary to what Cheaba said above. I'd still prefer to have the points back, but just pointing it out.

[–]faculties-intact 7 ポイント8 ポイント

No % on comments though

[–]JezuzFingerz 1 ポイント2 ポイント

There's no percentage for the comments.

[–]pipi135 1 ポイント2 ポイント

No % on comments. That's mostly what people are complaining about

[–]CustosClavium 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Or the amount of arguing. Thats a good indication too.

[–]Tytylikut -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

You could sort by "controversial", they changed the algorithm in the same update

[–]KSOFM 10 ポイント11 ポイント

I've replied elsewhere when this was pointed out but - While that is great, it still does nothing to show HOW controversial something is only that it IS controversial.

[–]TheRiskyBiscuit -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Honest question: Why do redditors care so much about seeing how controversial a topic is?

[–]KSOFM 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I care about it personally because those are usually pretty good comments, depending on what side you are on in the ensuing argument or debate attached to it. Same could be asked "why do redditors care what the 'top' comment is." It's all a difference of opinion on how you navigate and contribute to discussion.

[–]TheRiskyBiscuit 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I see. So in a debate, it's easier to see others' perspective. Also, one would be able to see exactly what others thought of their comment

[–]KSOFM 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Think about it this way. One day, You take the time to post something more then a couple sentences, something insightful. You check reddit throughout the day and you just seem to be stuck at +1, what the hell!? Turns out, your comment is a hit and you actually have 1000/999 votes!

[–]TheRiskyBiscuit 0 ポイント1 ポイント

So it's for knowing what others think of your post. Using your example, you would just think "oh no one gave a shit about my post". But in reality, tons of people liked it and tons disliked it

[–]KSOFM 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Exactly, and this is just one example of why this is a bad change especially for new users. They may get discouraged.

[–]Rushdownsouth -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Except nothing is "controversial" on Reddit, it's all just circlejerking and hivemind.

[–]KSOFM 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Controversial is a sorting mechanism that puts comments towards the top that are polarizing. They usually have a similar amount of up and down votes. This makes them "controversial".

[–]Rushdownsouth 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Bots heavily inflate the sorting mechanism

[–]Fullmetal9780 12 ポイント13 ポイント

It's not about that. If there is a comment at 2500+ and 2505- it will now only show up as -5. I may just want to read a controversial comment, but will skip over it cause it might be a shitty opinion/troll.

[–]Sciaj 29 ポイント30 ポイント

Those "imaginary points" represent something real. It's useful to know if a comment is controversial or not - the response I have to a comment is heavily influenced by the distribution of upvotes and downvotes.

[–]Irene_Adler_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント

the response I have to a comment is heavily influenced by the distribution of upvotes and downvotes.

I'm honestly confused…why would your response change?

[–]Sciaj 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Because I'm responding to a different audience. Responding to a comment with 55% upvotes 45% downvotes is different to responding to a comment with 100% upvotes. You have to be much more cautious and precise in what you say, and you have to try to understand why such a large proportion of people disliked it.

[–]boom_erang 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Otherwise you get more downvotes, and lose more meaningless internet points.

[–]Spleeniator 6 ポイント7 ポイント

You can care about the discussion without giving a damn about the karma. The tool was helpful. Its gone.

Particularly as someone who posts sometimes contentious views, it was always interesting to see how votes were distributed, even with fuzzing taken into account.

[–]RandyMarshIsMyHero 2 ポイント3 ポイント

It's more about knowing if you should change your wording to make sure people not only read your words, but also understand your intentions.

[–]Sciaj 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I don't care about karma, few people do. I care about whether people understand what I'm saying or not. If I get a lot of downvotes for something I'm certain I'm right on I will make effort to clear up my comment.

[–]KhuntMcPhister -1 ポイント0 ポイント

This problem is easily solvable by learning to think for yourself.

[–]honorface 3 ポイント4 ポイント

And then read every single comment? Point are how this website determines quality.

[–]Sciaj 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The purpose of comments is to communicate to others. To disregard the views of others (in the form of upvotes and downvotes) would contradict the very idea of communicating - if it's wrong to appreciate the upvotes/downvotes of others, why should I expect people to value my comments?

[–]Rushdownsouth -1 ポイント0 ポイント

But... But... I need guidance from college/high school students who swipe a single button to provide support or contention on some random person's comments on the Internet!

[–]PoliticalDissidents 0 ポイント1 ポイント

My own self ego is effects by y he amounts of votes on my comments and not negatively but positively. I want to know of I'm starting a fuss and an being. Acknowledge or ignored.

[–]NiceFormBro -1 ポイント0 ポイント

But most of those down votes are not real people.

[–]Villerv 2 ポイント3 ポイント

The problem is that there is no way of knowing if something is controversial or just not read. The problem is not really apparent in major subreddits, but the small ones might be relying on this info in many cases. One subreddit that have been mentioned is /r/photoshopbattles that counts upvotes. No more of that now..

It's not the ego that speaks for many, some just want to know when they read.

[–]RandyMarshIsMyHero 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Like someone having a common misconception about something specific and unknowingly giving false advice about it. Other people who see it and have the same misconception upvote it. Eventually others who know better downvote it. In the previous system, this comment, say, at a +2 after all is said and done, you could see that it was controversial and quickly realize that you might need to do some more research if you had the same misconception as the OP. In the new system, it just seems like maybe people haven't really looked at it.

[–]Sciaj 2 ポイント3 ポイント

He still gets the same amount of comment karma. The point now is that he's unable to see the total upvotes and downvotes.

[–]CurryMustard 0 ポイント1 ポイント

....do you not watch Who's Line is it Anyway??

[–]honorface 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Except this website runs off those points because they are the most important factor in its algorithm. If there were no point it would be like reading /r/new everyday.

How about you understand something before take an opinion on it?

[–]bpetrie88 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

And for that, I give you fake imaginary internet points. Enjoy them, as they are as useless as the argument about them being made right now on reddit.

[–]AREALLYBIGTUNA 0 ポイント1 ポイント

no, not at all.

[–]Americonfusion 6 ポイント7 ポイント

I see how they are different but not why it actually matters...

[–]KSOFM 16 ポイント17 ポイント

In small subs, voting and the displayed voted can be used for a myriad of things but my biggest gripe is that you can no longer tell how controversial a topic is. A post with 1000 upvotes and 999 downvotes looks the same as 1/0.

[–]yumyumgivemesome -1 ポイント0 ポイント

The % who "like it" would be 50% and 100%, respectively.

[–]1sagas1 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The controversy is all about the comment scores and seeing them with RES

[–]glk3278 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I thought this has always how its been...at least for me it was

[–]yumyumgivemesome 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Yes, but won't it say that 51% of people "like it"? You can calculate approximate up/down numbers based on those 2 pieces of info.

[–]JorjEade 0 ポイント1 ポイント

It doesn't give the percentage for comments. All we have now is a single number, which means a score of 1 could mean either a comment has had only one vote, or that it's highly controversial. Some people might not care but I for one think it's an important distinction.

[–]Teabaginz 0 ポイント1 ポイント

There's a huge difference between 1/0 and 100/99

[–]KineticKris -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Must be a difficult life, eh? If a change this pointless gets you this upset.

[–]KSOFM 4 ポイント5 ポイント

If I seem upset that is just conjecture. I was simply explaining what was going on.