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[–]RubbahSN 307 ポイント308 ポイント

Well, I use Baconreader and that doesn't give me counters anyways, so no biggie

[–]realityislame 97 ポイント98 ポイント

Why is it I can see the upvote counter just fine?

[–]Akasirus 34 ポイント35 ポイント

For comments, there used to be data available that would show something like +12 (22|10) where 22 was the total up votes and 10 was the number of downvotes. Now only the net upvotes are available.

[–]Rise Shining Gundam!blaghart 66 ポイント67 ポイント

To be fair that was roughly half the reason to get RES. The other half was the ability to open image links on the page.

[–]OkayPlsStop 19 ポイント20 ポイント

Also changing the size of a pic

[–]mofobreadcrumbs 12 ポイント13 ポイント

And infinity pages.

[–]figgypie 0 ポイント1 ポイント

And night mode.

[–]lucifers_avocado 0 ポイント1 ポイント

And A to upvote and Z to downvote.

[–]AnimeDayByDay 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I think you mean A to ? and Z to ¿

[–]AlmostARockstar 0 ポイント1 ポイント

But what have the Romans ever done for us?

[–]arenyouspecial 0 ポイント1 ポイント

The major point of contention is that the count wasn't actually accurate. On more popular posts it was wildly skewed. Im sure someone can code a new addon that displays randomly generated numbers, as that's really what was happening anyways.

[–]niggerdumbass -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

i use it to ignore stupid ass teenagers

[–]Sandy-106 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Reddit is about 400x better when you use RES filters for things like "nailed it" "cake day" "google images" "facebook" "[fixed]" and /r/AdviceAnimals and /r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu

[–]7HR4SH3R 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Thank you for letting me know that RES gives me the ability to do this..

[–]Kratomator 0 ポイント1 ポイント

What are you, 20 years old?

[–]Rise Shining Gundam!blaghart -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

Wow...you are the 1% there huh...

[–]thisxisxlife 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I guess this doesn't really affect mobile users? I don't recall seeing those.

[–]fido5150 2 ポイント3 ポイント

It really only affects those using RES. If you're on mobile they usually only show the net score to conserve space.

Now that's what everybody else sees too. I think it's funny though how people claim they have to be able to see the aggregate scores, to determine if something is controversial or not. I always thought controversy was pretty easy to spot.

[–]Akasirus 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Depends on what app you were using,some of them might display that info. But most likely not.

[–]WasKingWokeUpGiraffe -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

And how is that an issue?

[–]ArokLazarus 58 ポイント59 ポイント

Someone could have 500 upvotes and 495 downvotes. They would know they had a controversial and popular comment. Now it would simply be a 5. It makes a comment seem less involved with other people unless you are entirely upvoted.

[–]i_give_you_gum 8 ポイント9 ポイント

this really is the reason and perfectly worded.

I have to say stupid comments like that now cause ?

[–]username_14 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Yes absolutely this is the truth. If I have one comment sitting around at (1|0) for over a day, I'll usually delete it, don't want any stinkers lying around. If it's more controversial, I know what I wrote resonates both positively and negatively with a lot of people.

[–]vahntitrio -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

Except for the part where controversial posts like that would have a lot of trailing replies...

Also that rarely happens because it gets buried under more popular comments anyway.

[–]TRiPgod -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

I don't know why you're being downvoted.

[–]Cobaltsaber 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Maybe he is just being ignored.

[–]U S෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴ EHStopReadingMyUser 23 ポイント24 ポイント

It's less determinant information.

A post having +2 votes could be (2|0) or (1002|1000). It's nice to be able to see the controversy (or lack thereof) and how much attention certain posts are getting. It kind of devalues a post.

[–]eeyore134 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Yup, it'd be like trying to determine sales of an item in a store with only the on shelf inventory available to you. It doesn't take into account how many items have been bought nor how many have been restocked, just what you can see on the shelf at any given time.

[–]Brothernod 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Except, if I understand correctly, the downvote count was rarely accurate as they seeded popular threads with fake downvotes to thwart bots. So a post with 45% downvotes may have appear controversial when in reality it has a 90% real upvote rating.

[–]U S෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴ EHStopReadingMyUser -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Yeah but you can catch on to the pattern really quickly. Like for every 100 upvotes there's about 15-20 downvotes fuzzed in. So if it's like (100|60) then you can get a pretty good idea that about 40 of those downvotes are genuine.

Besides, the real number is the upvotes. There can be 10 points on a post with 1000 upvotes indicating about 1000 people contributed. That's the interesting data.

[–]Brothernod 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I would bet most people on reddit are not aware of the fuzzing. Reddit is huge and a lot of people viewing it dont even have accounts.

Perhaps the happy middle ground is to indicate vote volume in some sort of fuzzed manner, perhaps a set of 5 stars indicating 10, 50, 100, 250, 500+ comments? Or maybe simply display actual votes under 100? I don't fully understand everything they're trying to combat with this move, I'm sure they see a lot more complexity in this topic than the users do.

[–]U S෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴ EHStopReadingMyUser 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I would bet most people on reddit are not aware of the fuzzing.

They should if they're going to use RES. That's an add-on, it doesn't come in the original packaging.

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    [–]U S෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴ EHStopReadingMyUser -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    That makes 0 sense.

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      [–]U S෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴ EHStopReadingMyUser -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      Because that's one of like 5 methods to sort depending on your preference. Wanting to see the numbers behind the sorting method is a little different.

      [–]Frekavichk 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      And how is it a good thing? Seriously I have not heard one good reason to put this in to comments. It is totally pointless for submissions already if they are going with a %like thing, but for comments there is just no upside to this change.

      [–]Akasirus -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

      I'm not too concerned over it, though I see how it could be useful. I was just clarifying the issue as the above poster didn't seem to understand (to be fair, anyone who was using vanilla Reddit won't be missing anything)

      [–]Demonweed -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      Thank you for this explanation. I'd read the staff post and skimmed several discussions, but I totally failed to notice anything at all missing. Now I remember the thing that used to be there, thanks to your description of it. I guess I just didn't care enough about keeping score to really mind that former feature of the site.

      [–]isactuallyspiderman 89 ポイント90 ポイント

      How do people still not understand this? They didn't take away the point counter, they removed the upvote/downvote count through RES. Read the announcement please.

      Edit: Changed upvote counter to "point counter".

      [–]Rise Shining Gundam!blaghart 47 ポイント48 ポイント

      They also removed the Up/down counters on posts, though for some reason they still left the % of people that like it. It seems bizarre to me, especially to combat people posting "why is this getting downvoted".

      [–]huzzy 23 ポイント24 ポイント

      So technically you can calculate up/downvotes in your own.

      Ex. A post has 1000 upvotes, indicating 80% like it. 1000/.8 = 1250.
      Then that means it received 1250 votes, of which 1000 (80%) were upvotes and 250 downvotes, netting to it's current score of 1000.

      [–]Rise Shining Gundam!blaghart 13 ポイント14 ポイント

      Yea, except that A) defeats their justification for removing it (since you can still tell that something has been downvoted, leading to the "why is this being downvoted?" comment they're trying to stop) and B) it doesn't apply to comments, which are far more numerous on reddit.

      [–]frakkin 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      That's not true. They're still fuzzing the overall vote count. So even if 30,000 people have up voted, the upvote count will still show around 2000-3000. But they give an honest representation of the percentages.

      [–]gippered 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      But what if 0% like it?

      [–]gummywormsyum 17 ポイント18 ポイント

      percent scores aren't reported for comments, only submissions

      [–]Sparkvoltage 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      And even if they were...

      [–]nedonedonedo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      if there's not an app for that, there will be soon

      [–]huzzy 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      Which is what my example related to. I used the word "post", which is used interchangeably with "submissions" on reddit.

      [–]dontcallitjelly 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      that.....that sounds like work.

      [–]Gharst 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      Your math isn't even right. 1000 upvotes and 250 downvotes is 750 points.

      [–]Mudnart 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      Nope. Your math is missing that one downvote counteracts one upvote.

      A page has zero karma if 50% or more of the votes are downvotes. Your example shows a page with 1000 karma and 80% that like it. 30% times 2 (80% liked minus 50% times 2) of the votes is represented in the 1000 karma.

      100%*1000/60%=1666 total votes

      80%*1666=1,332 total upvotes

      20%*1666=333 total downvotes

      I rounded since reddit's percentage is also rounded. Numbers are approximate.

      [–]operationhotmess 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      I want to like this. But I really struggle with drunk math.

      [–]schniggens -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      Oh good, because that's clearly what everybody wants to do.

      [–]Xantoxu -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      If a thread has a total of 1000 POINTS, that doesn't mean it has 1000 UPVOTES.

      Upvotes-downvotes=points

      EDIT:

      So in your example, with the 1000 upvotes and 250 downvotes, that would be 750 points on the thread, not 1000.

      [–]isactuallyspiderman 11 ポイント12 ポイント

      I'm sorry if this seems rash, but to me this is the first step of the slow year long death of reddit.

      [–]Chameleonpolice 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      You think the end of one of the most popular websites on the planet will be because you can't see the number of people who voted yes or no on a topic?

      [–]DarkAutumn 16 ポイント17 ポイント

      Do you really think there is no change Reddit could make that would cause a mass exodus?

      Digg lost half of its traffic in one year, and half of the remainder in the year after that. It's not that far fetched. Now I don't think this change will cause a mass exodus, and neither does spiderman. I think he's saying it's a start in that direction.

      [–]bino420 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      But where will we go if Reddit dies?

      [–]cypherreddit 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      No, Spiderman doesn't think this will end Reddit, he clearly said

      first step

      [–]MIXEDGREENS 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      Contributors like feedback. Reddit gave contributors new and better ways of getting feedback. Now they've taken it away.

      Reddit wouldn't/won't be the first 'most popular website on the planet' to dethrone itself by pissing off the miniscule yet vital population of members that it forgets make it a site worth going to for the other 99% of its visitors.

      [–]fuzzydunlots 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Yes, its openess is important.

      [–]lexsird -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      I'm already looking for an alternative, so yeah, fucktarded moves can destroy something. Ask Sony Online Entertainment about their goofy moves with Star Wars Galaxies. Oh you haven't heard of it? That's because this kind of fuckery was used by them and it killed a vibrant game.

      [–]sanemaniac 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      why do we want the counters if they're wrong anyways? I couldn't give a shit, give reddit some time to come up with an alternative solution. ffs

      [–]moldy_walrus 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Where is everyone seeing the % liked thing? I don't see it anywhere!

      [–]Orbitrix 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      "why is this getting downvoted"

      the reason they are combating this phenomenon, is that 90% of the time, the person WASN'T ACTUALLY BEEING DOWNVOTED, it was reddits anti-spammer "Fuzzing" algorithms adding fake upvote/downvote totals.... So IMO it is a good thing to eliminate, so people can save their breath over an illusion.

      these numbers were always a lie, and entirely false anyways, because its the only way to effectively combat spammers. The fact that they are gone now is a good thing.

      [–]Lobo2ffs -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      It's so if someone posts a picture of literally the cutest cat and kid ever that saved veterans from a burning house fire that hits the front page in 25 minutes, it won't say "55% like this" followed by someone posting an Angry Picard going "Who the fuck would downvote hero kid and cat?". It would say "98% like this".

      Being able to calculate that there has been 50 or 100 downvotes is different from having a "25000 people downvoted this" in clear view.

      [–]PurpleMTL -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      Let's give this guy some ? for being a genius.

      [–]dubstepdinosaur 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Not just RES, multiple apps showed up/down votes.

      [–]SuperSaiyanNoob 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      What do the admins have against RES?

      [–]Psythik 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      That's not the upvote counter you're seeing, that's the score, which is the upvotes minus downvotes. Nobody ever uses the right terminology so I can understand why you're confused.

      [–]datlibra17 12 ポイント13 ポイント

      my baconreader gave me counters, but now it just shows the vote difference in the upvote column and there's just a 0 in the downvote column

      [–]happycrabeatsthefish 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      Reddit sync user, and it does the same thing here too

      [–]stab244 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      I think he was talking about comments, which didn't have the counter. Posts did though.

      [–]datlibra17 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      ohhhh ok, that is true, never saw counters for comments

      [–]dubstepdinosaur 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      You could with RES and several apps. That's what they're talking about.

      [–]tommyboyshaw 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      I see negative downvotes.

      [–]datlibra17 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      so, you see upvotes?

      [–]tommyboyshaw 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      No, anti-electrons and positrons are not the same thing, so neither are upvotes and negative downvotes.

      Wait no, that's wrong.

      [–]FatBeardedMan 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      Haha! Bacon, pfft!

      [–]deadcom 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      ¿

      [–]FatBeardedMan 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Do you not get it? Liking bacon is cool and trendy so he shows how hip he is by using Baconreader! Haha, bacon!

      [–]123Cory321 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      Actually it does...

      [–]Sandite5 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

      I'll be honest, I didn't realize there were so many folks that surfed reddit on a PC...