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To fix the RES question marks... (imgur.com)
submitted 9 時間 前 by aasteveo
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[–]Sunsh1neMelting -64 ポイント-63 ポイント-62 ポイント 3 時間 前
You guys are pathetic. I come to reddit today hoping to find some decent content and everything's flooded with a bunch of crybabies bitching about how their imaginary internet points are being displayed. WHO THE HELL CARES?! The points aren't real. They don't mean anything. You're not winning or losing at anything. It's just a way that the site uses to organize the content and it is still serving that function. I'm sure Facebook will update their layout soon enough and everybody can bitch about how their lives have been ruined by that. Get a grip neckbeards!
[–]FluffyCookie 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 3 時間 前
First off: They're not imaginary. They're real, just electronic and with no apparent value (except for bitcoin and whatnot).
Second: The great thing about RES' up/downvote counter is that you can see how many people agree/disagree with you or something equivalent to that like funny/not funny. I don't think people are that pissed specifically because it's gone. Yes, we would like it to come back the way it was and such, but at least I, myself, is just pissed off at the admins suddenly taking that decision without consulting the users first.
As for you trying to find some decent content today: Technically you can view reddit as a community. Not like Steam, something else, but a real "village" community if you like. Some days people make jokes and talk about politics and stuff. And other days we talk about the fast spreading rumors in town. Also, when you miss content from the subs you usually go to, there is great motivation to go and find new subreddits that doesn't talk about what you hate.
[–]Lonelan 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前
see how many people agree/disagree with you
Dat validation
[–]HBZ415 -12 ポイント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント 2 時間 前
You're missing the entire point. They removed the numbers so shmucks like you stop using the upvote/downvote system as an agree/disagree feature. You're supposed to upvote or downvote based on whether or not the comment adds to the conversation. My guess is they're removing the numbers so people actually use the voting system correctly.
[–]FluffyCookie 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2 時間 前
So let's say I'm upvoting/downvoting depending on whether or not I think the comment adds to the conversation; What difference is it supposed make on my choice of vote, that I can see what others have voted? I don't see why this would change the way people use the voting system. "correctly" or not.
[–]HBZ415 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 1 時間 前
By not allowing people to see how many others "agree or disagree" as you stated it will hopefully prevent people from making comments that don't contribute because all they will see is that the general consensus has decided that the comment didn't add anything instead of seeing (7|14) and thinking to themselves "well 7 people agreed with me so those other 14 are obviously wrong and I should keep posting".
I mean look at my last comment. I'm already -1 even though I contributed to the conversation and stated my opinion. I was downvoted because people don't agree with what I said not because my comment was off topic or not contributing.
[–]FluffyCookie 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 時間 前
I don't really think it would work out like that. I mean, some people here are a bit stupid, but most of them are able to take a hint. As I believe another user phrased it, having a comment with 0 points can be a comment with one downvote just as well as it could be the most controversial comment in the history of reddit. I still vouch for having the counters.
[–]HBZ415 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 1 時間 前
But that's the point, it shouldn't matter if you have 1,000 upvotes and 1,000 downvotes you're still at 0. The voting system was never intended to be an agree/disagree button. It was intended to weed out comments that are off topic or not contributing so the amount of people voting on it shouldn't matter. If someone states something you were going to state and is on topic you upvote it instead of leaving a comment that essentially says the same thing. If someone says something you disagree with and is on topic you reply with why you disagree but you still upvote or at the very least you don't downvote. If you come across a comment that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand you downvote it so the comment isn't visible from the main thread.
That is how you stimulate intellectual conversations, by promoting both sides of the argument and allowing people to comment in a manner that furthers the discussion being had. It's a lot like communism in the sense that on paper it's a great idea, but once implemented people tend to fuck it up.
[–]DeathTheLast 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2 時間 前
I disagree.
[–]HBZ415 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 2 時間 前
You can disagree all you want my friend but it's under the FAQ section on the main side bar for reddit under redditquette.
[–]36009955 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 3 時間 前
I'm on alienblue and it says you have like -15, but I honestly agree with you. Nobody cares that you personally don't like something, and there is no reason that others should care that you dislike something. That's why Facebook doesn't have "dislike" buttons. Nobody gives a shit, if you like it, please express it but no one made you add someone as a friend, if you really feel the need to express your dislike to something at least comment and explain why rather than click a button and forget about it an hour later. If they keep posting things you don't like unfriend them. But a dislike button is pretty much a "your shit sucks" button and doesn't add anything constructive.
[–]FluffyCookie 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前
I think it's good that Reddit has a personal counter on your profile. Without that and the downvotes, there would be no penalty whatsoever for posting things that doesn't hit peoples interests. Though, I do agree with you on the fact that we just downvote and move on, I really do. Personally I try to take a look in the comments, and add my personal opinion and justification if it hasn't been said already, but take a good look at facebook again. There will always be those stupid things that people upvote (insert "1 like=1 respect 1 share=1 love" etc. post here). Yes, reddit has their own version of these things as well depending on your subjective opinion. Reposts might as well be a decent example as so many people hate them. We can comment all we want, but that won't change the fact that this post is rising to the top of the frontpage to annoy all the other users when they get their own early morning dose of reddit. Instead, we have the opportunity to do something and slow these posts down.
While this helps shape a great frontpage, it also helps shape a community. Getting downvotes and having your counter of comment karma go from 47 back to 2 is like a bitch slap to people with toxic opinions. Really, if we didn't have downvotes, I'm afraid we would probably already be overrun with children like Facebook is, where we will always have a hard time avoiding their posts.
[–]36009955 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前
You have a good point. And I'm not saying downvotes don't have a purpose, they absolutely do. They're not always bad as the like button isn't always good. I think the "1 million likes and I'll/we'll do X" is stupid and a misuse of an otherwise well intentioned function. The anonymity reddit provides is why there's a downvote button, it's to keep the spammers out. And keep subreddit content relevant to that subreddit. The counters just deducted from the experience.
Someone posts an amazing pic they took and there's like 10,000 down votes and 11 and a half thousand upvotes? You think "What ass downvotes this?" and then remember or someone tells you it's bots. Or the whole "who downvoted me?" thing in every comment thread now. Downvotes are still here but removal of counters sort of solves the issues I just described.
[–]FluffyCookie 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前
Yeah, forgot about the bots. And you're definitely right about that. While it feels awesome to know that almost everyone who voted on your comment agrees with you, people shouldn't feel cheated by seeing the bots downvoting. Though, you could maybe just do what you can to make it common knowledge that there are bots like that, you know. That would at least solve the problem to a further point than this solution has.
[–]IAMA_YOU_AMA -7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 3 時間 前
You have to understand why everyone loves karma so much. The thing you're doing wrong is assuming they are "imaginary internet points" when in reality they are "e-penis points." Like, the more you have, the bigger your e-penis. Suddendly having as much as possible makes more sense when you look at it that way.
[–]U S෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴෴ EHStopReadingMyUser 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3 時間 前
waves e-penis around
[–]Sunsh1neMelting -6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 3 時間 前
Nope, that makes it even more pathetic. Besides, you can still see how many points something has. The break down is just shown as a percentage rather than an up/down split. If you can't figure that simple math, you have more to compensate for than any amount of e-penis points could accomplish.
[–]IAMA_YOU_AMA 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前
Not sure why we both being downvoted despite taking opposite positions... oh well, there goes my e-penis...
[–]Pvt_Lee_Fapping 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前
That was the beauty of the up/down vote split though: we didn't have to do the math to figure it out. It was just there at a glance, and it gave RES users something they didn't even know they wanted or would end up liking, and now it's gone so we're upset about it and voicing our opinions (some of these opinions range from "outraged" to "no big deal.")
And it's not so much the karma we care about, either. It's the fact that every comment with the same percentage is viewed the same way, whereas before we could tell what the differences were in those comments (e.g., three comments, all with an overrall 50 score, but they have different vote counts; 1000|950, 50|0, and 76|26. It allowed RES users to tell the difference between the controversial comments, the insanely popular comments, and the ones in between.
[–]Sunsh1neMelting -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 3 時間 前
The percentage still gives you this info. In your example, the 1000|950 = 50 points with 51% liking it, the 50|0 = 50 points with 100% liking it, and the 76|26 = 50 points with 75% liking it. All of the info is still there for you. It's just in a slightly different format.
[–]Pvt_Lee_Fapping 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前
You mean it's in a different format like "7" and "9 x 3 - 20" are in different formats.
Part of why people are upset is now they have to work for something that was free originally, and all because the admins wanted to fix a problem that only they cared about and no one else bothered to rally for solving it. The other part is because Digg did something similar with its format, said "fuck you, deal with it, neener-neener" and then it lost a significant user base because of it.
And guess where that user base ended up? Here, on Reddit, where they recreated a new community after losing the one they had before. And now it's happening again, so people are upset about it.
[–]Sunsh1neMelting -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 2 時間 前
Actually the format is more simple. It's right there in a percentage. Absolutely nothing could possibly be simpler or more intuitive. Seriously, how is it hard to understand the popularity or controversiality of a post when you have the score and the percentage right there?
[–]Pvt_Lee_Fapping 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前
ಠ_ಠ Do. You. Even. Know. What "simple" means?
Like I said before, RES users could find this out at a glance before the admins screwed with the system over a problem nobody but them gave flying fuck about. Maybe you're okay with finding out the numbers this way because you've never cared about the numbers but other people aren't willing to do what you think is so easy, and it's not because it's difficult to figure out but because they just don't want make work of something they enjoy.
[–]Sunsh1neMelting -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 36 分 前
I don't care about finding our about the numbers this way because it's trivially easy. I see 2500 points with 86% liking it and I know immediately how the submission is doing. I don't have to write out any long division. I look at it and I know. What is wrong with you guys?
[–]TheChair2 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 2 時間 前
Down vote to HELL.
[–]Sunsh1neMelting -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 28 分 前
My lowest voted comment and I stand by it. Everyone whining about this is a moron with no life and not even the basic math skills to figure percentages. Every down vote I get from people this stupid and pathetic is a badge of honor. If you care this much about how fake internet points are displayed, you need to get a life.
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