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Where did our compassion go? (self.AskMen)
submitted 10 時間 前 by Stevebutnotreally
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[–]Stevebutnotreally[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前
If we're sticking with animated characters, I'm reminded of Daria (ran on MTV from 1997-2001). It's slightly obscure, but I think a decent number of people have seen it. We relate to Daria, and her pained hell of high school dealing with idiots and absurdities - the shallow cheerleaders, the dumb football jock, the clueless teachers, etc. It's seems obvious to relate to her, at least to me. Nowadays, I almost feel like we'd see Daria as the anti-social loser, and the dumb jock/cheerleader as the people to emulate.
[–]vhmPook♂ 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前
I still don't fully understand your point. Can you make a thesis statement for us please?
Daria's thoughts were basically, "Look at all these idiots." Charlie Brown is more of an, "I'm an idiot." Huge difference.
[–]andrifficheh 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9 時間 前
I think one of his points is that society used to put emphasis on being modest, one of the team, kind and empathetic. Now we put emphasis on being able to crush competition, we have to be the best, everyone gets a trophy and if you don't you're a LOSER! Modesty out the door; you are either a winner or a loser. Got fucked in the gene area? 2BAD4U!
...And I agree, our society is pretty venomous and quick-to-judge, but I do think it has been this way for some time, I don't think we have ever really said it was ok to be a Charlie Brown or to want to be him. OP is just remembering his youth through the tint of rose.
[–]Stevebutnotreally[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前
They are two different characters, I wasn't saying they were the same. But both express a dissatisfaction with the world in their own way. Charlie Brown has low self-esteem, and beats himself up because he's can't conform, and Daria finds a safe place to shield her ego against things by mocking and being sarchasitc. I think ultimately, the idea I'm against is the notion that the world is perfect and right the way it is, and anyone who has a problem with conforming to that is automatically wrong.
The way I feel in my life right now is: If I were to somehow turn off my heart, empathy, compassion, become a self-improving machine, get ripped abs, sleep with lots of hot women, perhaps go into finance or somewhere else where I could make a ton of money at other people's expense, etc., people would be really happy and proud of me, and go, "good job, now you're a winner" However, since my heart and conscience leads me to hesitate to do that, worry about being wrong to do that, and believe there might be something wrong with this staus quo, and I can't fit into that, I'm a loser.
Like I said in another comment, I kind of feel like the constant pressure and lack of sympathy has allowed me to become colder/harder/tougher, but I'm not sure that's a good thing.
[–]Decker87 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 9 時間 前
TBH, I think you sound like another old curmudgeon whining about how the current generation is so bad.
people would be really happy and proud of me, and go, "good job, now you're a winner"
Not really. Interpersonal skills still matter a lot. There are plenty of people making six figures that feel unfulfilled, and plenty of women who wouldn't date them.
The point you're making about how we're losing compassion...I just don't buy it. We're becoming more compassionate on the whole. True, we may not baby & handhold the charlie browns any more. But we also are starting to legitimately recognize and treat mental health issues.
Basically, we're going from "I'm so sorry, I feel bad for you, wish I could help" to actually being able to help.
[–]Stevebutnotreally[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 8 時間 前
Well, it feels like some of this 'helping' advice that I'm, apparently, wrong for not taking, involves going against my conscience and becoming a worse person. Again, how is that good?
[–]summit_up 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前
I think ur right. When the environment is toxic and ur the only one wif morals and concscience its time to cut loose and move. Thats what I did. Move interstate or surround urself in a more wholesome environment. U need more positivity in ur life and a place to grow (spiritually/ physically/ mentally) no matter ur age. Also dont go looking for one model to emulate/be guided, get the best of many models and put it in u.
[–]201406 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 9 時間 前
You should watch the episode of Daria where she becomes the English teacher of her sister's English class.
[–]twwwy [score hidden] 59 分 前
not that daria is any better. one's a pushover, the other is 'urgh, i'm so awesome, people are so bad...'. the two extremes IMO...
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[–]Stevebutnotreally[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 時間 前
You sound like a teen, so hopefully you grow a bit, but right now you're exactly the kind of person I'm talking about. And if the people into sports or cheerleading or whatever are also like you, then you're just confirming my point. You refer to things as 'a downer', people as 'nice' or 'mean', and you posses exactly the kind of obliviousness I'm concerned will be the death of us.
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