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35 Practical Steps Men Can Take To Support Feminism

Most men do many things in their daily lives that directly or indirectly contribute to a culture of gender inequality.
Pamela Clark
Jun 13, 2014 at 11:00am | 457 comments
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On Facebook, a friend recently linked to an article called 20 Tools for Men to Further Feminist Revolution. Although he liked the list, he (correctly) noted that most of the suggestions were quite academic. The friend in question, like me, is an academic, so this point is not meant to be an indictment of the original article. It’s just that practical tools and academic tools can have different places in the world.
 
His comments have prompted me to create a list of more practical tools. Most men -- particularly men who benefit from multiple forms of structural privilege -- do many things in their daily lives that directly or indirectly contribute to a culture of gender inequality. Even men who support feminism in theory can be not great at applying feminism in their everyday practices.
 
This list entails suggestions for some practical tools all men can apply in their day-to-day lives to foster equality in their relationships with women, and to contribute to a culture where women feel less burdened, unsafe, and disrespected. 
 
Part of living in a patriarchal society is that men are not socialized to think about how their habits and attitudes harm women. This list is meant to push men to think more consciously and personally about the direct and indirect effects they have on women, and to think more about how they can contribute to feminism through their lived, everyday practices. 
 
Tools 15 - 27 are c/o Lindsay Ulrich. Other tools c/o Pamela Clark.
 
The list is not intended to be exhaustive or exclusive. Certain items on the list will apply to some men more than others, but if you are a man and a human I guarantee there is at least one area on the list where you could make an improvement. If you think there’s something we’ve missed, tell me! If you think something on the list is problematic, let’s have a conversation about it!
 
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1. Do 50% (or more) of housework.
 
You need to do your share of housework all the time, of your own accord, without procrastinating, without being asked, without making excuses. Recognize that our domestic habits and our internalized ideas about unpaid domestic work are hugely gendered and hugely benefit men, and accept that it is your responsibility to fight against this. If feminism is the theory, clean dishes are the practice. Over the next week, take note of how much housework you do as compared to women you live with and note where it is or is not an equitable division. 
 
2. Do 50% (or more) of emotional support work in your intimate relationships and friendships.
 
Recognize that women are disproportionately responsible for emotional labour and that being responsible for this takes away time and energy from things they find fulfilling. 
 
3. Consume cultural products produced by women.
 
In whatever your interests are -- French cinema, astrophysics, baseball, birdwatching -- ensure that women’s voices and women’s cultural products are represented in what you are consuming. If they are not, make an effort to seek them out. 
 
4. Give women space.
 
Many women walk around -- especially at night or while alone -- feeling on edge and unsafe. Being in close physical proximity to an unknown man can exacerbate this feeling. Recognize that this is not an unreasonable fear for women to have, given how many of us have experienced harassment or abuse or been made to feel unsafe by men when we are in public spaces. Also recognize that it doesn’t matter if you are the kind of man who a woman has any actual reason to fear, because a woman on the street doesn’t have a way of knowing this about you or not. 
 
Examples: If a seat is available on public transit next to a man, take that seat rather than one next to a woman. If you are walking outside in the dark close to a woman walking alone, cross the street so that she doesn’t have to worry someone is following her. If a woman is standing alone on a subway platform, stand some distance away from her. 
 
5. … but insert yourself into spaces where you can use your maleness to interrupt sexism.
 
Examples: challenge men who make sexist comments and jokes. If you see a female friend in a bar/at a party/on the subway/wherever looking uncomfortable as a man is speaking to her, try to interject in a friendly way that offers her an opportunity for an “out” if she wants it. If you see a situation where a woman looks like she may be in distress while in the company of a man, stand nearby enough that you make yourself a physical presence, monitor the situation, and be in a position to call for help if needed.
 
Things like this can super difficult, awkward, and complicated to know how to do, but it’s worth trying anyway. Making yourself feel momentarily uncomfortable is a fair tradeoff for making a woman feel more comfortable.
 
6. When a woman tells you something is sexist, believe her.
 
7. Educate yourself about sexual consent and make sure there is clear, unambiguous communication of consent in all your sexual relationships.
 
8. Be responsible for contraception.
 
If you are in a relationship where contraception is necessary, offer to use methods that do not have health risks for women (use of hormones, surgeries, etc.) and treat these as preferable options. If your partner prefers a particular method, let her be in charge of making that decision without questioning or complaining about it. Don’t whine about condom usage, and be responsible for buying them and having them available if that’s the method you’re using. 
 
Assume financial responsibility for any costs related to contraception. Women earn less than men, and also have to assume all the physical risk of pregnancy. Further, in instances where contraception involves any amount of physical risk, it is virtually always women who must assume this risk. As a gesture that redresses a minuscule amount of this disparity, heterosexual men should finance the whole cost of contraceptives. 
 
9. Get the HPV vaccine.
 
If you are a young man, get it. If you have a young son, ensure he gets it. Since women are the ones who are disproportionately affected by the consequences of HPV, as a matter of fairness men should be the ones who at least assume the potential risks of getting vaccinated. (I am hugely pro-vaccines in general and don’t believe there actually are significant risks, but this is a matter of principle.)
 
10. Have progressive name politics.
 
If you and your female partner decide that the institution of marriage is something you want to be involved with, be willing to both keep your existing surnames. If having a common surname with your spouse is important to you, be willing to change your surname and treat this as a preferable option to your spouse changing hers. 
 
11. If you have children, be an equal parent.
 
Be willing to take paternity leave and to stay home and care for them when they are young. Divide childcare responsibilities so that you are doing at least 50% of the work, and ensure it is divided such that you and your partner both get to spend an equal amount of “play” time with your children too. 
 
12. Pay attention to and challenge informal instances of gender role enforcement.
 
For example, if you are at a family function or dinner party, pay attention to whether it is mostly/only women who are doing food preparation/cleaning/childcare while men are socializing and relaxing. If it is, change the dynamic and implore other men to do the same.
 
13. Be mindful of implicit and explicit gendered power differentials in your intimate/domestic relationships with women…whether a partner or family members or roommates.
 
Work to recognize where inherent structural power differentials based on race, class, gender, sexual orientation, age (and so on). Where you benefit from these structural imbalances, educate yourself about your privilege and work on finding ways to create a more equitable balance of power. For example, if you are in a domestic partnership where you are the primary income earner, educate yourself about the gendered wage gap, and work on dividing labour and economic resources within your household in a way that increases the economic autonomy of your partner.
 
14. Make sure that honesty and respect guide your romantic and sexual relationships with women.
 
The way you treat women with whom you are in a relationship is a mirror of your values about women in general. It doesn’t work to espouse feminist theory and then treat your partners like trash. Be upfront and open about your intentions, communicate openly so that women have the ability to make informed, autonomous decisions about what they want to do.
 
15. Don’t be an online bystander in the face of sexism.
 
Challenge people who make, say, or post sexist things on the Internet, especially on social media.
 
16. Be responsible with money in domestic/romantic relationships.
 
Know that if you are irresponsible with money, this necessarily impacts your partner and since women still make less than men overall (and live longer), this is a feminist issue.
 
Example: Your credit card debt/money wastage/gambling problem impacts her economic livelihood and future. Share budget making, tax filing, and general personal finance duties and be open and honest about household money management.
 
17. Be responsible for your own health.
 
Men go to the doctor less often than women for issues troubling them, and when they do, it’s often at the urging of women in their lives. To have a long and healthy partnered life for both you and your spouse means being responsible for your own health, noting any issues, and taking them seriously. Since we’re dependent on one another, your long-term health is also her long-term health.
 
18. Don’t ogle or make comments about women. (i.e., Keep your tongue in your mouth and comments to yourself.)
 
Even though women may be more prone to wearing more revealing outfits than men, don’t ogle them just because you want to and can. Though you may find someone attractive, there’s a line between noticing and being creepy/disrespectful. It makes the ogler feel uncomfortable, as well as any women who notice the ogling or are aware of the comments. 
 
19. Pay attention to the sex of experts and key figures presenting information to you in the media.
 
When you are watching an expert on TV, reading articles, etc., notice how often this information will come from men and, at the very least, wonder how a female perspective might be different.
 
20. Ensure that some of your heroes and role models are women.
 
21. Praise the virtues and accomplishments of women in your life to others.
 
In everyday conversation and in communication in general, talk to others about women you know in a positive light. Suggest your female friends for projects, jobs, and collaborations with other people you know.
 
22. Have integrity with your male friends. (i.e., Don’t be a “bro.”)
 
When a male friend is doing something sexist (being a deadbeat dad, down-talking women, ogling women, secretly spending shared money, lying to their partner, etc.) have integrity and say something to your friend. It’s not enough to think it’s wrong; let them know you think it’s wrong.
 
23. Don’t treat your spouse like a “nag.” If she is “nagging,” you are probably lagging. 
 
24. Know that acknowledging your own sexist opinions and stereotypes you hold is not enough. Do something about them.
 
25. Befriend women.
 
If you don’t have any female friends, figure out why you don’t and then make some. Make sure they are authentic, meaningful relationships.The more we care about and relate to one anther, the better chance we stand of creating a more egalitarian society.
 
26. Find female mentors/leaders. (i.e., Be subordinate to women.)
 
If you are seeking a mentor, or want to volunteer with an organization, go with a woman, or woman-led organization. Know that there’s a lot you can learn from women in positions of authority.
 
27. When in a romantic relationship, be responsible for events and special dates associated with your side of the family.
 
Remember your family members’ birthdays, anniversaries and important events. Don’t rely on your spouse to send cards, make phone calls, organize reunions, etc. It is your family, and thus your responsibility to remember, care about, and contact them.
 
28. Don’t police women’s appearance.
 
Women are taught to internalize intensely restrictive beauty norms from the time they are small children. Don’t do or say things that makes women feel like they aren’t meeting this norm, or create pressure on them to meet it. At the same time, it is equally not a feminist response to do or say things that pressure women to use their body to resist these norms if they don’t want to. Recognize that there are significant social sanctions for women who disobey beauty norms and they shouldn’t be expected to act as martyrs and accept these sanctions if they don’t want to.
 
Whether according to your personal aesthetic or ideals you think she wears too much makeup or too little, removes too much body hair or not enough, it is none of your business how women choose for their bodies to look.
 
29. Offer to accompany female friends if they have to walk home alone at night…or in a public space where they may be likely to feel unsafe.
 
But don’t be pushy about it or act like you are being the Ultimate Gentleman for doing so.
 
30. Inject feminism into your daily conversations with other men.
 
If your father doesn’t do his fair share of housework, talk to him about why this is important. If your friend cheats on his girlfriend or speaks negatively about her, talk to him candidly about respecting individual women with whom he is intimate is part of having respect for women in general. Have conversations with your younger brothers and sons about sexual consent.
 
31. If you have a tendency to behave inappropriately toward women when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol, do not consume drugs or alcohol.
 
32. Be aware of the physical and emotional space you occupy, and don’t take up more space than you need.
 
Use your fair share of “air space” in conversations, give as much to relationships as you take, don’t sit with your legs splayed so that other people can’t comfortably sit next to you, etc.
 
33. Walk the walk about income inequality.
 
Women still earn about 77% as much as men. If you are in a position where you are financially able to do so, consider donating a symbolic 23% of your income to social justice-oriented causes. If 23% sounds like a lot to you, that’s because it is a lot and it’s also a lot for women who don’t have a choice whether to forfeit this amount or not.
 
34. Get in the habit of treating your maleness as an unearned privilege that you have to actively work to cede rather than femaleness being an unearned disadvantage that women have to work to overcome.
 
35. Self-identify as a feminist.
 
Speak about feminism as a natural, normal, uncontentious belief, because it should be. Don’t hedge and use terms like “humanist” or “feminist ally” that reinforce the idea that the F-word itself is a scary word.
 
Reprinted with Permission From PamelaClark.tumblr.com
 
 
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      • Stayclassygetsassy 3 days ago
        Disagree with the contraception one. Obviously it's the womans choice but I can't imagine making him pay for all of it. We use condoms and it was a choice both of us made and we alternate who pays for them and who has to go into the small town rite aid to buy them. I think if something is for both of you then it needs to be equal.
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          • Pamela > Stayclassygetsassy 3 days ago
            Why should the cost be equal?
            In a society where men earn about 23% more than women on average, and that women disproportionately bear FAR in excess of half the physical/financial/emotional costs of pregnancy and non-barrier method contraception, why shouldn't men be willing to shoulder the whole cost of paying for contraception?
            It is a super small gesture men can make, but something that at least recognizes and goes some way toward redressing these other vast, related inequalities that hugely advantage men/disadvantage women in so many aspects of our lives.
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              • I Heart Emily and s.e. > Pamela 3 days ago
                I always asked my partners to pony up for any non-barrier contraception as well as any medications I needed to treat yeast infection or UTIs which occurred from sex. This was never received well.
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                • Mara Zampariolo > Pamela 3 days ago
                  we pay tampons already. :P
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                    • ParisTiger > Pamela 2 days ago
                      I find this to be really troublesome advice. A couple in a committed relationship should come to an understanding regarding birth control and its cost, of course. What works for a couple works for them (the woman pays completely, the man pays completely, or something in the middle). But I think it's dangerous to suggest that, in order to be a "good" feminist, a man suggest or offer to pay completely for a woman's birth control. I, personally, would be skeeved out by a guy suggesting that.
                      I vehemently believe that a woman should be in total control over her body and reproductive and sexual health. Money=power. If a man is paying for 100% of my birth control he will be justified in saying "Use X method over Y method" since he is footing the bill. It's rare in life that someone writes a "blank check" with no strings attached. Once someone puts their money in they feel like they have a say (like when parents pay for their child's wedding and they feel like they can make strong "suggestions" as to the color theme, venue, invitations, etc., because it's their money.).
                      I want women to have full "ownership" over their bodies. That includes financial responsibility. A man paying for condoms or 1/2 of another BC method if you are in a committed relationship makes total sense. But relying solely on a man's money to help you prevent pregnancy seems rather retrograde and anti-feminist to me. Women have fought so hard for autonomy over their own bodies so to now suggest that they solely rely on a man's money to help them prevent pregnancy is puzzling, to say the least.
                      Not to mention, what happens if a man pays for your semi-permanent BC method and you break up? Do you then pay him back the money? Half of the money? A pro-rated amount of the money? Your ex can then claim that once you start sleeping with another man that new man will be reaping the benefits of his "investment" in your BC. This argument turns up not infrequently when a man pays for a woman's breast augmentation or other plastic surgery and then they break up. He then will ask to be paid back wholly or partially because he doesn't want another man reaping the "benefits" of what he paid for. It gets really gross and icky, this claim over a woman's body because you let your then-BF pay totally for your BC, surgery, expensive hair style, etc. Everything is sunshine and roses when you are together and happy. But when/if the couple breaks up things things often take an unfortunate turn, especially if the woman relied on the man financially for something linked so intrinsically to her body.
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                        • Pamela > ParisTiger 2 days ago
                          Money is still power whether the man keeps the extra ~23% he's earning relative to women, or whether he spends it on her birth control (meaning she has to spend less of her own money). It doesn't = power only when it's used to spend on something that has to do with her body.
                          Women can (and should, as I say in the article!) have full decision making power over the kinds of contraceptive methods they want to use. I just think hetero men should be willing to, no strings attached, pay for the methods their partners choose as a symbolic gesture (like, "I don't have to go through or worry about pregnancy, I benefit from the wage gap, I don't have to get/pay for periods, in return it's fair for me to pay for this")
                          If two hetero, cis people in a committed relationship decide together that they want to use a contraceptive method that is permanent/semi permanent, the male partner should be willing to pay for the cost of the contraception. If they break up, I don't see what changes. The decision was already made and paid for in the course of a relationship. If I go on a vacation with my partner's family and break up two years later, I'm not expected to pay back the cost. The same goes with contraception.
                          If the couple breaks up and they were using a method that the woman continues to use herself (e.g. the Pill) then she can pay for it herself once the relationship ends.
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                            • ParisTiger > Pamela 2 days ago
                              I respectfully disagree, though I think we are coming at this issue from two different angles. I am a huge advocate for financial independence and self-sufficiency for women as a means of preserving their autonomy and personal safety.
                              I am on the board of my local chapter of Dress for Success (an amazing organization! http://www.dressforsuccess.org... and one of the prevailing themes that I hear from the women we serve is that a huge contributing factor to the harrowing situations they are working themselves out of is being reliant on their romantic partners for financial support, whether it is for BC, rent, car payments, hair or nails, what-have-you. This reliance often turns into dangerous resentment if things go sour in the relationship and often is a means for domination and control even when the relationship is going "well." A woman we are curently serving is in the process of getting a Temporary Restraining Order against an ex-BF. One piece of evidence she is using to get the TRO are Facebook messages he keeps posting on her page saying things like: "C%nt, Imma come and snatch that weave off ya head, that sh*t cost me $300."
                              When my parents were helping me with my rent and other bills they exerted their power---changing my cell phone bill to a cheaper one with less data, cancelling HBO, etc. With money comes power. I complained but what could I do? They controlled the purse strings. Now that I am completely self-sufficient I hear their argument that having top-tier cable is too expensive and not worth the money but since they have no part in paying the bill, I respectfully disregard that piece of advice. And while no one can dispute that men, on average, make 23% more than women, I do not think that translates into relying on men financially for BC or other necessities. In fact, I find the practice downright dangerous.
                              In my opinion, part of having autonomy is being financially self-sufficient. Again, it seems so incredibly counter to feminist ideals to be financially dependent on a man for my sexual and reproductive health needs. This is MY body and MY choices. It just seems so naive to think that accepting significant amounts of money from your current partner won't potentially lead to him thinking that he has some kind of ownership stake over what he "paid" for and won't lead to dangerous resentment down the line. I suggest you read some literature in the domestic violence sphere (mandatory reading before I was allowed on the board of DfS) before encouraging women to accept complete financial assistance from their current partners for their BC needs. This advice is irresponsible, IMO.
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                                • Pamela > ParisTiger 2 days ago
                                  I see what you are saying from a symbolic perspective, but I think the way you are defining financial autonomy is maybe too restrictive/short-sighted in some ways.
                                  A man pay for something during the duration of our relationship (esp. something that benefits both of us - no unwanted pregnancy) means that's less money I have to spend during the duration of our relationship on that cost. Instead of spending my money on birth control, I can save that money or spend it on what I want. Like, in an actual, concrete sense, the more costs men assume, the less women have to spend their own money, the MORE financial freedom and autonomy women will have, not less.
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                                    • ParisTiger > Pamela 2 days ago
                                      I am not speaking from a symbolic perspective. I speaking from a perspective where I am helping women get restraining orders from their former romantic partners who are seeking pay back for money given to them in way of payment for BC, rent, car payments, etc. when the relationship sours. There is nothing symbolic about a man showing up at a women's job screaming at her for the money she "owes" him for the rent he helped her pay 3 months ago.
                                      We are talking from two different perspectives. I work with DV survivors on a regular basis and the advice we give them is directly counter to your advice. Our perspective is one strictly based on personal safety. The DV literature does not support your view. Years of study demonstrate that the more men financially support their romantic partners the more "ownership" they feel over her, her body, and her choices. It is well known within the DV community that control of the financial resources is a gateway to domination and control. That battered women often stay with their batterers because they rely on their partners for basic necessities to live.
                                      Doing the work that I do, I could never in good conscience advise a woman to allow her current romantic partner to pay outright for her BC. I have witnessed with my own eyes how that one "feminist" act has been used to dominate and control a woman's sexual autonomy. A decision that is made mutually and from a place of love when times are good can very, very quickly turn to resentment, manipulation, and coercion. There is nothing "symbolic" about that. Read the literature. Volunteer at a DV shelter's intake center. You will hear this story over and over again...he paid my rent, bought me new outfits, paid my car note and I thought "What a gentleman, what an awesome guy!" Then he started texting me all the time asking where I was. Started asking to see my phone to see who messages me. Started insisting I wear the clothes he bought me. Started insisting I be home by a certain time... "He thought he could control me because he bought me things."
                                      This is why a core and central mission of Dress for Success is helping women be financially self-sufficient so they never have to rely on anyone else for their needs. The reliance on others makes one extremely vulnerable.
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                                        • Pamela > ParisTiger 2 days ago
                                          Again, I think an important point here is that I'm advocating -men- change how they behave, not women. There are lots of important reasons a woman might not insist upon making a man pay the cost of her contraception.
                                          A man offering to pay for contraception (viewing it as his own responsibility, a good symbolic gesture toward equality he can make) ultimately gives a woman more money in her pocket, and does not make her more financially dependent on him but less. It also gets men to think more about their power and privilege, not less. I think that's a good thing.
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                                            • ParisTiger > Pamela 2 days ago
                                              And again, I would advocate a woman say, "Thanks for the offer, honey, but why don't you just pay for half since this is for both of is" or "That's a really thoughtful suggestion but I got it."
                                              I have personally witnessed what can happen when such a "thoughtful" "feminist" offer turns into one of domination and control. It happens frequently and there are ways to mitigate against it. One way is to be totally autonomous when it comes to your reproductive and sexual health. Make your own BC decisions and pay for them yourself. That is one symbolic (to borrow your word) way to assert "This is my body and I make the decisions for and I am wholly responsible for it. If you don't like that, that's ok, please move on then."
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                                                • Pamela > ParisTiger 2 days ago
                                                  What you are saying is certainly a possibility but I don't think that, in the -vast- majority of cases, this specific gesture is likely to lead to domination or abuse. Individual women can certainly refuse the offer if they want to if their specific situation is one where they think this will lead to domination or abuse. Men should still consider it their responsibility and offer.
                                                  I also think that if we are in relationships where we have a reasonable worry that a man's offer to pay for birth control is in fact something he's going to twist into a tool for control and abuse, that this is a good indication we should be examining whether we are in a healthy relationship or not.
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                                                    • ParisTiger > Pamela a day ago
                                                      I find you to be a bit naive about the prevalence and realities of romantic partner abuse. I again urge you to read the studies and other literature on DV and romantic partner abuse in addition to volunteering at a women's/family shelter. I believe you would find it eye-opening and it may change your stance on this issue.
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                                        • kateblck > Pamela a day ago
                                          I'm in a interracial partnership. I'm white and according to wage gap stats white women on average earn more than black males. Should I start paying for contraception? The ways men can be helpful according to the article seem to be less concrete than made out to be.
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                                            • Pamela > kateblck a day ago
                                              The contraception idea, like all the items in the list, is a suggestion for a gesture people can voluntarily do if they want. It is not a set-in-stone law I am suggesting we mandate and insist every heterosexual person do.
                                              Racialized men definitely experience male privilege differently than white men, but they still have and benefit from male privilege.
                                              From the outset, I state that some items on the list apply differently/less so/not at all to some men because there is a wide range in the spectrum of male privilege. Individual people can read the list and decide what items would be useful in their lives or not. In couples, interracial or not, where the female partner earns substantially more than a man, for instance, some items on the list might not apply.
                                              But the gesture of men paying for contraception is primarily supposed to redress the fact that men don't have to deal with the embodied physical risks/discomforts of pregnancy, menstruation, or most non-barrier method contraception (surgery, use of hormones).
                                              Black cisgendered men still have these same privileges and so it is as useful a gesture for them to pay for contraception as it is for white men to do so.
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                                                • kateblck > Pamela a day ago
                                                  I have to disagree. I don't think biology in this sense is a privilege. The absence of risk of pregnancy was not granted by society.
                                                  Also minority men have privilege over minority women not white women. As a cis hetero white woman I have more social currency than my boyfriend in the United States. White males have privilege over all people in this country not just white women. Minority males and White males do not enjoy the same privileges. Womanists have written about this before. It worth a read if you have the time.
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                                                    • Pamela > kateblck 17 hours ago
                                                      Biology can, for sure, be privilege.
                                                      Critical disability studies activists have done a lot to show how our bodies, and the abilities our bodies have, confer all kinds of privileges to certain kinds of people on the basis of what their bodies can do/have to do.
                                                      Biology exists within a social world, a social world that makes assumptions and assigns privileges based on biology. Donna Haraway, someone who has influenced my own thinking about this a great deal, puts it really well when she says "Biology is a discourse, not the living world."
                                                      Biology also becomes privilege when you live in a patriarchal society. A really important example regarding this specific topic is the way medical science develops contraceptive options that involve interventions on/risks to women's bodies, while not developing technologies that expect or require these sacrifices of men.
                                                      It is not due to biology alone that virtually every contraceptive option currently available are ones that require women to insert things in their bodies, take hormones, or get surgeries. That science has focused on developing methods of contraception that near-universally require women do things that have health risks to their bodies, while not developing methods that allow/require men to do the same, hugely reflects and is about male privilege.
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                                                  • Adam Roget > Pamela 9 hours ago
                                                    Except that women don't earn 77% of what men earn FOR THE SAME WORK. That figure reflects the fact that women work less, take more time away from work to spend with family, hold different positions, and ate less likely to ask for more money. Women who work the same jobs for the same number of hours as men make essentially the same amount (sure, there may be a difference of a few percent, but it's nowhere near the 23% you cite).
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                                                    • Lisa Harris > Stayclassygetsassy 3 days ago
                                                      This is the kind of shit that really bothers me. The point of having non-barrier contraception is for women to have the freedom to choose when and with whom to have children. Your birth control is YOUR business and the moment you ask a man to pay for it you are including him in the decision. If you want the right - pay for it.
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                                                        • mp > Lisa Harris 3 days ago
                                                          I tend to agree, but I also think when in a serious committed relationship taking it on as a team makes some sense. When my girlfriend (now wife) decided to get an IUD insurance covered it all, but I was willing to pay for it and DID end up ponying up for a cab to get her home after when she felt a little too woozy to manage the subway/walking.
                                                          I have a bigger issue with the nonsense that implies condoms are the best form of birth control--they most certainly aren't and if you are in a committed relationship where you're having regular sex with only condoms as BC, there's a decent chance of getting pregnant at some point.
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                                                          • I Heart Emily and s.e. > Lisa Harris 3 days ago
                                                            Hmm, that's a good point. OTOH I'm assuming all of the physical risk. In line with the conversation about men opting for the method which poses the least amount of risk to the woman, I nearly died as the result of my pregnancy and c-section. I am able to get pregnant but have been sternly warned not to get pregnant again with which I fully agree. I don't feel after all this I should have to add chemicals to my body so asked my partner to get a vasectomy. Seven years later and he still thinks if I am so concerned then I should just have a hysterectomy (!) or my ovaries laparoscopically removed despite the risks. His is a friggin' outpatient procedure. We're in Europe and it's not very common here so he is flabbergasted by the idea. I'm from the US so don't see the problem. I appreciate the male perspective on this but feel he should be able to suck this one up in order to protect the health of his partner and child's mother.
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                                                              • Lisa Harris > I Heart Emily and s.e. 3 days ago
                                                                You are in a committed relationship, a family, so yes, I see your point. it is easier for him and a radical surgery for your. I hope the two of you can come to an understanding. But you obviously don't see his refusal as a lack of love for you because you are still with him.
                                                                Still, in most situations I prefer personal responsibility. The fact is that I can get pregnant, so I make decisions based on that fact. If I don't want to get pregnant, I do what I need to do to prevent that. There is no argument when people take care of themselves and take responsibility for themselves.
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                                                                  • I Heart Emily and s.e. > Lisa Harris 3 days ago
                                                                    I do know he loves me, that's true. Condoms just ain't doin' the trick, though. I will say that this issue has hugely impacted our relationship as well as our sex life. I rarely want to have sex with him anymore as I don't feel respected and am terrified of going through all that again. We just didn't have sex for eons - which he was fine with as long as we could satisfy one another in other ways. In the end I decided to just get Depo Provera for my own sanity but I feel that now he thinks it's all solved so no worries. Not the case on my end.
                                                                    I don't agree that just because I can get pregnant that I should make sure I don't if I don't want to. Men could then have all the sex they want without recourse. Aside from finding it scary I think it could provide men with a convenient out from thinking about the conversation and in doing so put them back in the position of not understanding what women have to deal with.
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                                                                      • Lisa Harris > I Heart Emily and s.e. 3 days ago
                                                                        Biology has already done that. Men have been having sex without having to think about it. It is more than a convenient out. In your situation, in a committed relationship, you need a meeting of the minds. He does need to think about it. But for women who are intimate with men as they desire without the context of a serious, committed relationship or a marriage, biology decides who needs to be concerned about it. Forcing men to be concerned just doesn't seem reasonable.
                                                                        I hope you find a good resolution in your situation, though. I'm sure it is very worrying.
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                                                                        • Johana > I Heart Emily and s.e. 3 days ago
                                                                          I sort of think that this is the difference between a random date and a partner... Sure, I don't want to get pregnant so I'm on The Pill (which I pay myself...and it's pretty damn expensive) and when I was single and dated (or just slept with once) various guys, I always brought my own condoms as well.
                                                                          But when you are in relationship, I suppose it's also the guy's responsibility if he doesn't want children, isn't it? And he should pay AT LEAST his half, in my opinion. (although I agree that it would be only fair if he paid it all due to all risks being on women side..)
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                                                                      • ParisTiger > Lisa Harris 3 days ago
                                                                        I totally agree. Makes me really uncomfortable to make a man financially responsible for what happens to my body. Because, as elsewhere in life, the person who pays has a say. And I don't feel comfortable with a man "overruling" me on my BC decision because he's paying for it. It makes me quite uncomfortable...
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                                                                      • General Burnsthighs > Stayclassygetsassy 3 days ago
                                                                        I don't expect my cis male partner to pony up for my pads, tampons, etc. so I think he can cough up the dough for condoms. At least, that's how I explained it to him when he started to whine about having to buy all the condoms.
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                                                                          • fancyprance > General Burnsthighs 3 days ago
                                                                            If I am ever in a committed relationship to the point where I call another person my PARTNER, we will be sharing the household expenses and bills. That includes tampons, toilet paper, jock itch medication for my sweaty bicyclist dude, etc. I think it's very fair to divvy up expenses based on consideration of all factors: the respective incomes of each party, assets and debts (e.g. maybe partner A mostly pays for gas because partner B bought the $15,000 car before they met), and any physical/health issues (the women are subjected to medical procedures and side effects in hormonal birth control, which is unequal, so the man can take on more of the financial cost to try to offset this.)
                                                                            The only reason I could see separating such things is one of those instances where the presence of a spouse/partner's income debiliates the other partner's ability to get medical care. I see this happen in the lives of two disabled friends who are a "married" (non legally married) couple who are both wheelchair users unable to work regular jobs, and getting disability from the state as their sole income. If they were legally married, their combined disability income would reduce overall, though they already live together and it's not like their living expenses would go down somehow. So they remain legally "single" and have a slightly higher income. It's messed up.
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                                                                            • Emmz > General Burnsthighs 2 days ago
                                                                              With all respect, what on earth do pads and tampons have to do with condoms? Would you stop using them if you weren't with him?
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                                                                              • anemone > Stayclassygetsassy 3 days ago
                                                                                I agree with you. Then again, I think this is one of those things that people really just need to take care of for themselves and their personal health.
                                                                                I buy my hormonal birth control. I stock up on free condoms, which I keep in my house and in my purse. I fully expect my penis-having partners to keep condoms in their homes.
                                                                                Oh, also? We split abortion costs, if it comes down to it. It's what a gentleman would do.
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                                                                                  • Boba Fête > Stayclassygetsassy 3 days ago
                                                                                    I agree. I also don't think men should feel they "should" donate 23% of their income because women make less than them. It's a nice idea, but I find it unnecessary and frankly the idea of "we get less, so even though it's not your fault directly, you should too!" distasteful.
                                                                                    Also, I think the "50% or more" distinction isn't great. I don't want men to do more of these things than me, I just want it to be equal or at least agreed upon. And furthermore, I don't think you should be recommending people for jobs or opportunities solely because they are women; it's your reputation on the line here as well, and whoever you refer for anything should be well qualified, man or woman.
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                                                                                      • Mh > Stayclassygetsassy 3 days ago
                                                                                        Why not? Many men see no issue with their female partners paying for all the contraception, i.e. birth control, so why should it be a huge deal if he has to pay for all of it?
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                                                                                          • Gina Clark > Stayclassygetsassy 3 days ago
                                                                                            I didn't really agree with that one either. I'm on the pill, and it is the method of birth control I chose, I would never expect my boyfriend to foot the bill for it. If we ever break up, I will still be on the pill, i'm not on it just for this relationship. If he ever wanted to pay for it, I would accept graciously and say thanks, but it's not something I have ever expected him to do.
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                                                                                              • LeeB > Stayclassygetsassy 3 days ago
                                                                                                Yeah, I think it should be equal for birth control. Also, just because men generally earn 23% more doesn't mean the man in a particular relationship earns more than his female partner. When I got my IUD I got it because my then-bf couldn't really deal with condoms (although he was willing to keep trying - we agreed we both hated them, though) and I couldn't deal with hormonal birth control, so I chose basically the most expensive form - the gynefix. I only asked him for about 1/3 of the cost because I earned twice as much as him. (He still didn't want me to do it because he didn't want me to go through the pain, by the way) I would have found it unfair to have him pay more when he was totally willing to provide condoms and try to deal with them even though it clearly wasn't working and I was making more money and had made the choice to get a really expensive form of birth control.
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                                                                                                  • ParisTiger > Stayclassygetsassy 2 days ago
                                                                                                    Totally agree with you. The OP's advice on this topic is naive at best, dangerous at worst. I work with domestic violence survivors on a regular basis and this is terrible, terrible advice.
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