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[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin 1 ポイント2 ポイント

:(

[–]fuck_you_pdx 21 ポイント22 ポイント

I guess that's what happens when you arbitrarily restrict modders from source access (and obfuscate the binaries to hinder 'real' modding) while sticking them with an archaic, slow and awful 'scripting' language built into the game, so that you can continue pumping out those music and face packs.

[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin 3 ポイント4 ポイント

You obviously have way more information about this than I do and probably have a very clear and balanced view of this. I'm going to defer to your judgement. Totally justifies the leak.

edit.

This was sarcastic, glib and not very constructive of me. my apologies. I explained what I actually meant in later posts. I'm going to leave the original comment as reminder to myself not to do it again. Sorry

[–]RustledJimm 17 ポイント18 ポイント

Ever since For the Glory and Darkest Hour, which are two of the BEST gs games made, it seems like Paradox has given the modding community the shit end of the deal.

If you say you aren't then that's all well and good, I guess we can take your word for it. But it certainly looks, and seems, like you're just giving up it.

Personally I can't wait to see if we can mod this into a working game.

[–]fuck_you_pdx 15 ポイント16 ポイント

I don't have more information. But the truth is that PDX's toxic stance towards the community and modding/modders in general is the reason it happened in the first place. There were several devs that came forward after EvW was cancelled and said in so many words that you guys had given them a raw deal.

[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin 3 ポイント4 ポイント

I wholeheartedly agree that PDX could handle things a lot better. Hindsight is always 20/20 and from here the right decisions seem clear.

I think we can all agree that we'd love to see more great projects from the wonderful and talented dev community - stuff that the mothership won't/can't do because there's only so much a studio can do with the limited resources they have. Heck they do more than the resources they're given.

Let's say there are voices within PDX that advocate better/more collaboration with modders - leaks like this don't help.

Basically - two wrongs don't make a right.

I hope we get to do it right one day.

[–]mycroftislove 17 ポイント18 ポイント

Well then get to it: make an official statement and release what was leaked today and let the community see what they can make off it. I mean you cant stop people from getting it now anyways so might as well release it officially and hand it over to the modders.

[–]Repulsive_AnteaterVictorian Emperor 10 ポイント11 ポイント

A winning idea.

[–]Waifu_WarriorMap Staring Expert 13 ポイント14 ポイント

Don't act like the entire community is behind this when at most it was a couple of guys. Unless you're trying to say you're upset with everyone for spreading it? Well that's how the internet has worked since day one. Ask Beyonce's publicist. Info spreads, and there is little anything anyone can do to stop it.

Not that we should try. I also don't like how you seem to think the community should feel guilty over this leak. The internet may have brought businesses closer to their consumers, but that's no reason to act all buddy buddy and imply we have some sort of obligation to you.

[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

Dude, In no way do I feel the community should feel guilty for this or that they have any obligation to PDX. It's the internet - it happens.

I'd like to see more mods and collaboration between PDX and the community. A cancelled game does not further that goal - nor does a leaked one.

[–]Bobocrunch 7 ポイント8 ポイント

So you're saying that you want to see my collaborations...Yet you detest a leaked version of a hatcheted collaboration? This only shows that people wanted EvW, but I guess selling it as a DLC to HoI4 is the main goal of Paradicks.

[–]RustledJimm 16 ポイント17 ポイント

So, you cancel a game that is very far into development. Shut the door in modders and the rest of the communities face and then winge about it when there's a leak and say it won't help? Paradox didn't help in the first place. You slammed the door in our faces and someone has opened the door slightly ajar for us. And you're throwing a hissy fit saying it won't help future collaboration.

You made US lose confidence in YOU. You shouldn't be surprised this happened and should work to regain that confidence instead of damning it more.

[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I agree with you. I think you are largely right. We have to rebuild that confidence.

We can't just talk the talk - we've got a bit of walking to do as well.

I'm saying that a leak doesn't make things better if the collective goal is more collaboration in the future.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You feel me?

[–]RustledJimm 13 ポイント14 ポイント

You could outreach to the modding community and allow us to attempt to complete this game perhaps? Given some source modders could work on this. We now know how far along development it is in and we want it. We want to work on it. It could be an amazing game.

But we know that just won't happen. It's what we've come to expect from Paradox.

Also frankly I think we feel lied to. When cancelled Paradox made it seem as if the game just was not workable and as I said, we now see how far along in development it was. We feel as if Paradox just lied to us to try and sweep this under the carpet.

[–]Repulsive_AnteaterVictorian Emperor 14 ポイント15 ポイント

They probably needed to divert the funding for Songs of the Uyghur and Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg Coat-of-Arms Pack.

[–]Bobocrunch 11 ポイント12 ポイント

Don't forget the Aztec portraits and the Songs of the Bengali. Only 5 shekels each!

[–]wrc-wolf 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Also frankly I think we feel lied to. When cancelled Paradox made it seem as if the game just was not workable and as I said, we now see how far along in development it was. We feel as if Paradox just lied to us to try and sweep this under the carpet.

This is the real issue at hand here. Paradox abruptly cancelled the project and made a corporate decision not to work with modders-turned-devs again claiming that EvW was a broken pos. Now the leak is out and it's, arguably, no worse than Eu4 with its constant updates breaking everything.

[–]Waifu_WarriorMap Staring Expert 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Fuck it I replied to an earlier comment but I'll say it again here.

You're blaming an entire community for the actions of at most a few people. Once it's on the internet, it's fair game. It's useless to try and stop it. If you really expect a diehard grand strategy fan to look at a download link for what is essentially now the Firefly season 2 of our genre and say "Nah" then you have to stop for a moment and realize that you are being completely naive.

[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I replied to you - but I'll say it again. I don't blame the entire community - and I'm all aboard the fair game thing.

Cancelled game leads to leaked game. I get that. I'm not trying to stop that.

I'm just saying that similarly - when stuff like this happens it decreases the likelyhood of either side getting the chance to do a "TNG season 8". It's a statement of fact. which saddens me - because I would have loved to see FFS2 or TNGS8.

[–]Bobocrunch 13 ポイント14 ポイント

That'll be a miracle, seeing how Paradox (and you) are reacting.

[–]Repulsive_AnteaterVictorian Emperor 10 ポイント11 ポイント

You can do it right tomorrow, by reactivating this 90% complete game and selling it on Early Access.

But you won't.

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