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"Why Would That Matter? I'm The Girl" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by magx01

This was the response I got to the following question I asked a girl I know who was complaining about there being "no good men" left (and listing a TON of qualities she was seeking in a mate (many contradictory ones of course)): "That's quite the list. Well, let's reverse that. What do you have to offer them?"

She looked at me like she had never, EVER considered this nor been asked it and then responded with the quote in the title.

This is what guys today are dealing with out there. Girls who have mile long lists of what they expect in a man (perfection and contradictory traits, doing the job of multiple men and then being shamed for not succeeding) yet never once even consider what they themselves have to offer (which, these days, is quite often laziness, a lack of accountability, solipsism, debt, poor career prospects, entitlement galore, etc).

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[–]culofiesta 156 ポイント157 ポイント

Go see her again when she hits the wall. I knew a lot of women like this and had the pleasure of watching them go face first.

[–]ColdEiric 34 ポイント35 ポイント

I'm looking forward to that.

[–]XeRefer 49 ポイント50 ポイント

Had a date once who said it's the guys responsibility to make a move first, so I asked her why she wouldn't make a move first on a guy, she said one, it's not her responsibility, and two, what if he said no?

It blew my mind that she couldn't even face the concept of rejection. Needless to say, I made no moves that night, and when the date was over and she was waiting for that kiss on her doorstep, she gave me this angry death stare when she realized that I was NOT fucking interested.

[–]the_red_scimitar 17 ポイント18 ポイント

Had one so bad this way that, at the end of the date, at her car, she literally leaned against the car facing me and said (really), "so, are you gonna fuck me, or do I drive home."

I told her she was driving home.

Another one could only talk about her little dog. How whenever she's unhappy she takes him to a dog show of same-breed dogs. She was pretty, but the superficiality of it all was ultra annoying. I was pleasant, the date ended. A month later, with no communication from me, she texts me something like, "hey, why didn't we ever have a second date?" The tone was definitely accusative, and the actual words implied "a second date WITH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!?".

I told her it was just a date, get over it.

[–]MrMagwitch 3 ポイント4 ポイント

it was just a date

Yeah, dates just don't mean that much to me anymore. It's not that I love hookups so much, but doing something or other with somebody for an hour or two doesn't automatically entitle anybody to anything. meh

[–]huoyuanjiaa 3 ポイント4 ポイント

The "why didn't we have a second date" sounded genuinely curious but you're saying she made it out like she's the prize and who wouldn't want to date her?

[–]XeRefer 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Similar in the car response, went on a date, the second she saw me, she was this crazy outrageous superficial and loud and obnoxious girl. We're talking excessive gold bracelets, necklaces, gigantic fucking hoop earrings, a perm or some shit. And shes like, hey, lets go play some laser tag for us meeting up. Uh sure, so I wear some khakis, hiking boots, and a white shirt. I'm going to play hard. I was not expecting the dolled up girl the second I saw her, but she still absolutely loved seeing me. I was very put off, I actually refused to play lasertag with her, because she was also wearing four inch heels the last thing I wanted was for her to injure herself. So we went from the fucking laser tag place to 30 minutes away to a fucking movie, by this point I'm a little put off by her antics. We get to the theater, sit down, she gets right up next to me, mind you, I like personal space, I fucking love it. The second it gets dark, she grabs my arm, puts it over her shoulder, and pulls me onto her. By which time I'm very put off by her overt way of how I should be acting, and her excessive amount of perfume that I somehow just noticed. I honestly can't remember the movie at all, because I was trapped inside my head in this constant state of being uncomfortable, living second by second of having to deal with this immature and whimsical individual. Walked her to her car, got that fucking death stare again, and I practically ran away from her, when I got to my car she was still staring like I was an asshole for not kissing her.

[–]isthatyourdaughter 15 ポイント16 ポイント

You sound a bit too tightly wound.

[–]willfordbrimly 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Lol. She was probably staring at you like an asshole for spending the whole evening in your head.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 20 ポイント21 ポイント

It blew my mind that she couldn't even face the concept of rejection. Needless to say, I made no moves that night, and when the date was over and she was waiting for that kiss on her doorstep, she gave me this angry death stare when she realized that I was NOT fucking interested.

I hate to break this to you, but basically no woman is ever going to make the first move. The reason is blew your mind is that you're still expecting women to behave like men.

If you're disappointed with this one, you're going to be disappointed with all of them.

[–]huoyuanjiaa 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The not her responsibility thing coupled with the inability to face rejection, I think, are what blew his mind. Not so much him sitting around waiting for a girl to put the moves on him.

[–]mechchic84 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

As a woman I have made the first move many times. Then again I have been accused of having masculine behaviors...

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 9 ポイント10 ポイント

I have made the first move many times.

You are not women. You are one woman. Here, we speak by the numbers.

I'm sure a great many women would also insist that they've made the first move before. But "making the first move" is not batting your eyelashes, or starting the conversation, or even complimenting him.

Making the first move means verbally expressing unambiguous sexual intentions and pursuing those intentions actively.

[–]mechchic84 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

I was the one to propose to my ex husband. Obviously things didn't work out in the long run but still...

[–]magx01[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント

You were already in a relationship though; that doesn't compare.

[–]Glitsh 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Thats not true though. Current relationship i am in, she made the first move. that was a year ago. granted it is much less common.

[–]Mightyskunk 6 ポイント7 ポイント

My wife asked me to marry her. A year later, she even made her own wedding cake. Amazing woman, if a bit lazy in bed.

[–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Seems like everyone's jumping on the NAWALT bandwagon today.

We acknowledge exceptions. We understand they exist. But a small handful of exceptions which may or may not include your wife does not change the statistical majority.

The Red Pill eschews political correctness for the sake of simplicity and self-defense; simplicity because we don't want to belabour any point we are making, and self-defense because we want this environment to be too toxic for the uninitiated to infiltrate.

[–]BooksofMagic 2 ポイント3 ポイント

You're forgetting that we speak in generalities here. Just because you happened to find a woman willing to make the first move does not mean we should all expect to find someone similar. I myself have NEVER been with a woman willing to make the first move.

To elaborate further - I could easily contrast your small point with a story of my ex wife who would tell me stories of exes who 'almost raped' her in an effort to get me to initiate in a more 'Red Pill' way. Does my single point disprove yours? No, because there are exceptions to every rule.

[–]ibuprofiend 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Well rejection does suck. If I were a girl I'd probably take advantage of these double standards too.

[–]aazav 6 ポイント7 ポイント

"Men age like a fine wine or a fine cigar.

Women age like bananas."

– Paul Jaquish, circa 2001

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    [–]Manuel_S 21 ポイント22 ポイント

    You shitlord male overlord abuse rapefiends!!

    Aging is so clearly discriminatory even its mention should be forbidden!

    Biological facts are male-dominated, evil things that we have declared to not be so unto oblivion. Therefore they are no longer so.

    How dare you describe a politically incorrect biological process and say it applies even against the best, most detailed politically correct theories, after all the statements made by the top feminist biologists declaring them anathema? They should not be so and therefore they ARE NOT SO!

    All men who refuse to accept our truth should be castrated and their hands cut off, forced to plow the fields to atone for the evil their ancestors did unto women.

    Disgusting swine!

    [–]exit_sandman 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    A pity the original post is gone, I would have printed that conversation, framed it in gold and placed it on my desk to enjoy it every single day of my life.

    [–]too_long_didnt_read 10 ポイント11 ポイント

    The fuck do they care anyway? There's plenty of beta bux around for the formally hot ones when the alphas have lost interest. They just hamster it all as a lifestyle choice and enjoy their new parasitical existence on the poor beta they've convinced he's won the lottery.

    There is literally no consequences for a hot girl hitting the wall until beta bux dries up, and there's a never ending supply unfortunately.

    [–]incraved 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    Wtf are you saying? Why is this guy upvoted?

    [–]CUNT_MASHER 10 ポイント11 ポイント

    They are taking the piss out of Tumblr Radfems. I think anyway.

    [–]Villaintine 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    Yes, and even though I typically enjoy his posts I thought this type of sarcastic/parody response was exactly the type mods were discouraging last week.

    [–]Manuel_S 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    There's two levels here.

    If you parody a man's view - as an exageration of what feminists say men are - then that might be construed as a real opinion instead of a parody.

    But by making an exageration of feminist ways of speaking, you are just highlighting the ridiculous.

    [–]Villaintine 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Regardless, it's just TBP-style ridicule that offers nothing to the OP. This is why the modpost was made.

    [–]_orion -1 ポイント0 ポイント

    Also great oppertunity to put another nail in the shame coffin.

    [–]TrueBro 50 ポイント51 ポイント

    The sad thing is she's right. As long as desperate men / betas will do anything to get laid, we are to expect this kind of shit.

    [–]too_long_didnt_read 15 ポイント16 ポイント

    It's all about supply and demand. Looking hot and the vague promise of sex is literally all she has had to supply to get what she wants. Her development has been stunted by poor standards in their demands from the male gender.

    [–]PFN_LIST_FUCKED 38 ポイント39 ポイント

    The last "What do you have to offer your partner?" thread I saw in AskWomen was filled with dumb jokes and entitlement. I always feel hard pressed to find a woman whose hobbies aren't just drinking, Netflix, and taking naps.

    [–]TehFuggernaut 32 ポイント33 ポイント

    I think of my sister whenever I hear this, and its why I avoid the topic of dating whenever we talk.

    Good looking girl, smart, etc. Literally poured it all down the drain, wasted the majority of her youth and is now vapid, chunky, uneducated, with little to no career prospects.

    Last time we talked relationships, she told me about all the stuff she expects her husband to do (pay for any dates out, entertainment, housing, spending money, etc) and I asked her why she didn't provide any of that for herself now while she's single...the anger/confusion on her part was really upsetting to watch.

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      [–]TheSKSpecial 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      He doesn't owe her shit either way, but the fact that she got angry when he asked her why she didn't provide anything for herself is kind of a red flag that she's not "fixable", or at least not yet.

      [–]charlie_gillespie -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

      Fix her with your fist, amirite?

      [–]myrptaway -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

      fix her with my magnum dong in her vagina amirite guise?

      [–]vaker 15 ポイント16 ポイント

      drinking, Netflix, and taking naps.

      Chocolate, you forgot chocolate. And ice cream.

      [–]MrMagwitch 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      you forgot chocolate. And ice cream.

      ..and shopping. Always, always shopping.

      [–]LegalPusher 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      You both forgot to mention Candy Crush.

      [–]1BurgundyCarpet 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Can't forget the Candy Crush. But what EVERYONE forgot to mention was putting on lotion.

      [–]gt35r 11 ポイント12 ポイント

      What's funny is even if they have some legitimate answers for hobbies, chances are they did something once and just say it's one of their hobbies. I know that just because of the girls that I personally know, they say they are rock climbers, like to work on cars/bikes (stood around and held tools for me). They really actually don't know anything that has to do with the "hobbies" they have and just went rock climbing once on a family outing. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.

      [–]ibuprofiend 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      Don't forget about eating and constantly staring at her cell phone! You're not a real college girl if you don't eat pretentious overpriced fast food (Starbucks, Panera, Chipotle) while staring at your iPhone at least twice per week.

      [–]ReturnThroughAether 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Because you need to write a novel now, do you happen to still have a link handy for said AskWomen thread? I'd be interested in reading the responses on that one.

      [–]howimetyomama 39 ポイント40 ポイント

      Patrice O'Neal covers this in "We're Better than You" here.

      Men have to work to lay women. Women don't have to work to lay men. That's why she has a list of requirements and can get away with ticking off just one of yours; pussy.

      [–]DumpyLips 11 ポイント12 ポイント

      We are better, the bitch version of any animal is weaker.

      I totally agree with the underlying point partrice makes in that clip but I just want to point out when people rail against the red pill, it's because statements like that are popular here.

      [–]Meglomaniac 17 ポイント18 ポイント

      While his phrasing is intentionally shocking and incentive, he isnt wrong.

      Women are the weaker and more submissive gender out of the two.

      [–]howimetyomama 8 ポイント9 ポイント

      Keep in mind that it's comedy. Part of his appeal was shock value.

      [–]vaker 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      Comedians traditionally are people who are allowed to speak the truth (wrapped in funny).

      [–]redbodb 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      George Carlin and Bill Hicks come to mind for 20th century examples.

      [–]TooMuchToDoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Exactly this. They're the only people that say openly say politically incorrect and insensitive things (much of which is true mind you) and get away with it because people are forced to take what they say with a grain of salt.

      I'm almost done listening to the 13 episodes of the Black Phillip Show and I personally think Patrice was right about a majority of the stuff he said. It's just that he's the only one that can say that kind of stuff without getting reamed on. A lot of us like to discuss those kinds of philosophies, but this sub isn't satire, as much as we like to think it is at times. That's why we get such a bad rep.

      [–]1Hyooge 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      Yes, but that is the truth, it is stupid to disagree (except for some cases like female spiders killing the male post-mating) and pathetic to be offended by.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorWhisper 28 ポイント29 ポイント

      It's very easy to resent this.

      But in a way, she's right.

      According to some geneticists who did their homework pretty thoroughly, 87% of all the women who have ever been alive have descendants who are alive today. For all the men, that number is 34%.

      What does that mean? Certainly, those numbers are a composite of those who never had offspring, and those whose offspring died, but I think we can all agree that at least a large part of this effect is that for women, mating privileges are a given, but only exceptional men receive them.

      If nine in ten women, and one in three men, are fuckable, then that means that a man, in order to be fuckable, must take risks to distinguish himself as exceptional (in that top third), if he doesn't already possess status that marks him thus.

      Women, however, only need to do three things:

      • Show up.
      • Look cute.
      • Be nice.

      That's enough. The one woman in ten who isn't fuckable is that way because she failed one of those three things. She either didn't show up (isn't around eligible men), didn't look cute (she shows some visible evidence of poor health, like being fat or having a skin disease), or wasn't nice (was so mentally ill or high-conflict that men couldn't stand to stick around).

      In other words, men, in order to be fuckable, must be exceptionally good. Women, in order to be fuckable, must be not exceptionally bad.

      This is why men are the building sex, the discovering sex, the risk-taking sex, the daredevil sex, the hardworking sex, the inventing sex. It's not about capabilities. It's about need. Women don't need to do these things, so most of them don't. Men do.

      So she was correct. None of that stuff matters, and none of it matters because she is a girl. There's no sense railing against it. Girls didn't create this reality any more than we did. It's a biotruth. It's part of our evolution.

      However, she did make an error, which is pointing it out in a high-handed manner. Remember that there are three things that do effect female fuckability: show up, look cute, be nice. Flaunting your gender advantage isn't nice... and this will reduce her access to the most exceptional men (who don't have to put up with her bullshit). Oh, she'll still successfully reproduce, unless she chooses not to, but it does have a cost (albeit minor compared to that faced by men).

      Since the whole goal of TRP is learn how to distinguish oneself as an exceptional male, who can breed if he wishes, a wise move in response to this wouldn't be to have sex with this woman (men with choices avoid high-conflict women), but it also wouldn't be to argue with her or get all butthurt (men with choices avoid high-conflict women). The behaviour of an exceptional male would be a shrug, some noncommittal answer, and then exclusion from his social circle and calendar.

      [–]the_real_madman 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      Do you have a link to that genetics study, by any chance? I'd love to read up on that.

      [–]Subtletorious 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      The one woman in ten who isn't fuckable is that way because she failed one of those three things

      Maybe a fourth: natural infertility. She may be shagging her brains out but <Bill Cosby/> the sperm and the egg and the whole nine months just aren't working </Bill Cosby>

      [–]DeepDee 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Do you by chance know the name of the genetic study or have a link to it? Very interesting.

      [–]thepillwastaken 43 ポイント44 ポイント

      The list is great. I have heard it and ignored it many times because it's just a hamster by a girl. Thats all it is.

      I hear beta men do the same thing to rationalize away why they won't try and fuck a cute girl who "isn't their type"..etc.

      Its kind of like the girls who post that they love god and hate perverts in their tinder and send you nude pics once you start chatting.

      [–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 25 ポイント26 ポイント

      I've been wading through the murky water that is Tinder and it's...eye opening.

      I'm quite attractive and as of this moment I've got 261 matches in the past 2 months. It's hilarious though, as soon as you start talking to these girls, they're a myriad of social and mental issues. No interests, no passions, nothing they're excited about. I am constantly forcing them to qualify themselves, but so many are unable because their personalities are so vapid.

      That being said, I've also met some refreshingly interesting girls with some real content. I'm currently seeing a veterinarian, making way more than I do. We're happy for now, so there is some use to the app I suppose.

      [–]1Hyooge 30 ポイント31 ポイント

      This is because girls have zero need to be interesting. They're going to be hounded and lathered with attention regardless if they have passions or not. Loser men are going to continue to give them attention and feed this depressing problem.

      Meeting a girl that is pretty and has something about her is a very refreshing experience as it goes against the grain.

      [–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 12 ポイント13 ポイント

      I agree. It is very refreshing and they totally stand out to me, even if they have the most basic shit going on.

      Anything beyond FASHUN and "i love travelling lol" is amazing.

      I also find that the girls who have interests are far easier for me to pick up, since I excel at being able to make conversation about nearly anything.

      [–]1Hyooge 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      Haha that last part is the worst. Getting messages that are barely 3 words long from girls who then complain when you stop talking to them is just awful. Fun chat is always a brilliant positive in a girl/person.

      [–]Sturmgeist781 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      I love to laugh!

      On every fucking OkCupid and Tinder profile. Unoriginality at it's finest.

      [–]IMissOsama 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      I'd like to know who honestly doesn't love to laugh.

      [–]Sturmgeist781 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      I'd like to know why women think their loving to laugh is important.

      Like, who the fuck cares?

      [–]Menadian 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      True. If she is doing nothing at all she is obviously still a proud, strong and independent woman....

      [–]ExamplePrime 24 ポイント25 ポイント

      You know I've come across the exact same thing. I joined OKCupid a few months back before coming on here and had the exact same thing happen.

      Interesting girl, similar interests. No matter if I messaged first or they did there seemed to be an equal chance of conversation falling flat.

      Every, single, girl seemed to have a soul-less life. Trying to talk to them was like getting blood out of a brick and would constantly reply with very short messages despite me either asking them about things they had stated they were into or asking open-ended questions. And heaven forbid I message before she replied, lest I be called a creep.

      After talking to about twenty girls on the site I gave up.

      And only one of them even chased me after I stopped replying, despite several of them messaging me first and several of them still visiting my page. They're just so damn lazy and full of issues.

      [–]geektragedy 27 ポイント28 ポイント

      Women spend their time playing Facebook games and texting meaningless crap. So, they have nothing to talk about. However, that doesn't stop them from thinking that they're interesting people. But when you ask them what they do, what their interests are, etc. you get meaningless drivel that amounts to, "I like to be entertained and not do anything constructive with my life".

      [–]quietdudeirl 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      Please, not all women are like that. Don't be unfair.

      My ex plays The Sims, not Candy Crush.

      Honestly though I can think of one woman who isn't like you described, so it's a pretty fair generalisation unfortunately.

      [–]Internet_Zombie 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      I've got an okcupid to help a friend out with a social experiment. Nearly every girl says to message them with more than just "Hey what's up your pretty lets chat"

      What the fuck are they expecting?

      [–]JTJ1522 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      My well-thought-out-kind-and-clever messages are rarely responded to. What works? "I'll bang you if you never speak"

      [–]liphyx -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      Every, single, girl seemed to have a soul-less life. Trying to talk to them was like getting blood out of a brick and would constantly reply with very short messages despite me either asking them about things they had stated they were into or asking open-ended questions.

      Sorry but it sounds like they just wanted to end the conversation.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorCyralea 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      I had the same experience. Initially I chalked it up to being the nature online dating, but I found that even girls I met in my day-to-day were mostly just vapid. Genuinely interesting girls are very rare. Ones that are also good-looking are unicorns.

      [–]through_a_ways 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      I've got an account on okcupid, and almost every female initiated message I get is "hey what's up", or "hey there", or some other shallow equivalent.

      The few messages that display some sort of effort to read my profile or display themselves as interesting are nearly always physically unattractive.

      Basically what you'd expect. Lacking in one area, so make up for it with another.

      [–]PerniciousOne 31 ポイント32 ポイント

      "Why Would That Matter? I'm The Girl"

      Guess what, almost every girl has the same list of demands (qualities) that they expect in a guy. Most guys who have those qualities can find tighter, hotter, and younger women and would rather have them over you. Sure they may fuck you but that is all.

      [–]JetJunkie 9 ポイント10 ポイント

      Very beneficial to the top percent guys. They take their pick while the other guys take what they can get (sloppy seconds, hambeasts, or nobody).

      [–]2bleekdawn 12 ポイント13 ポイント

      Girls are raised to believe that they should win a trophy just for showing up. They have been fed a steady diet of participation awards and gold stars for everyone.

      They have been told their entire lives that women and girls are "held back" and "considered less worthy than men." This has developed a sort of inferiority/persecution complex in each of them that reinforces their sense of entitlement. They feel unjustly cheated in every aspect of their lives and thereby believe that they always deserve more than they get.

      And any time they've been in direct competition with other girls they've learned to resort to tearing down each other's self-esteem and social standing rather than just compete honorably in a given arena. This has taught them that whether someone "wins" doesn't have much to do with their ability or merit but has everything to do with how well liked they are by the majority of a given group. This explains why women care more about group acceptance than they do about their own personal performance.

      All of this ends up creating women who feel perpetually cheated for no reason. Women who believe that they deserve everything they want without having to do anything to get it. Women who believe that they deserve better men than they end up attracting and think that they can get whatever they want by appealing to the group (other women) instead of to the individual (men) they want to attract.

      [–]AugustWallflower 90 ポイント91 ポイント

      I feel very bad for single guys these days. Girls are bitches. And they sleep with WAY too many guys and then don't understand why nobody wants them when they're ready to settle and start looking for a decent guy. I wouldn't touch most of them with a ten foot pole because they probably have all kinds of cooties.

      I'm a girl, by the way. Support men 100%.

      [–]Meglomaniac 36 ポイント37 ポイント

      My favorite is the sheer ignorance that sleeping with a lot of men lowers your value as women. Its just naivety at its highest to not realize the difference in valuation between men and women and how women lose value as they put out excessively.

      Absolutely, women have the right and ability to sleep with whomever they want as many times as they want, but to expect there not to be any social, emotional, or relationship ramifications to their actions.. is naive and solipsism at its finest.

      [–]steviamies 9 ポイント10 ポイント

      what do they need to care about it lowering their value when then can and will just lie that they've only slept with 2 guys before you.

      [–]MrMagwitch 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      women have the right and ability to sleep with whomever they want as many times as they want

      Just as anyone has the right to eat and drink whatever they want, as much as they want, but they should not be surprised when the wrecked bloated shell that they've made of their body lowers their SMV. Submitted as exhibit A: typical 35+ OkCupid hookup.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      I feel very bad for single guys these days.

      Your sympathy is appreciated, but it is not needed. A generation of callous, unfeeling wenches is helping some men to wake up, to realize that women are not fit to be arbiters of the sexual marketplace. As a result, they are taking charge of their destinies once again, and forging better bodies, better minds, and better futures for themselves.

      And as for the ones who are still suffering...they will either rise to the challenge, or die celibate. Pretty much the same way things have always happened throughout history.

      I'm a girl, by the way. Support men 100%.

      No one here cares if you have tits. Stow the attention-seeking behaviour.

      [–]AugustWallflower 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      Not attention seeking and don't need to seek attention. Just trying to say that not all women are against men.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 8 ポイント9 ポイント

      Not attention seeking and don't need to seek attention. Just trying to say that not all women are against men.

      Appreciated. But the fact that you are a woman bears no relevance to what you said. Your point was strong without the addendum. That's why it sounds like attention-seeking. Be mindful of it.

      [–]biffsocko 8 ポイント9 ポイント

      Everyone has a list of wants. As a guy, I wanted the centerfold of Hustler, that wouldn't hit the wall till well into her 60's, was a virgin, but gave head like a porn star and loved sports.

      I wouldn't listen to your friend. She's talking out of her ass. At some point you either reconsider what's important, or you stay on your own. There's no point in getting worked up over this girl. It's not like she's your problem. That's for someone else to deal with

      [–]AgentSmith27 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      That pretty much sums it up. Everyone wants something without giving anything in return. That is the ideal scenario to people, with low effort and maximum returns.

      While that may be ideal, it usually doesn't happen. You never get the ideal. You get the best you can muster up at the current time.

      [–]kay_x 37 ポイント38 ポイント

      Woman here: The main issue honestly is things like Twilight and other teen fiction that gets read growing up. Even I grew up thinking I was a special flower and no matter what I did I deserved the absolute best.

      These girls need to wake up and smell the shit that they're blinding themselves with. Good on you for making her realise that being born with a vagina does not give you a bye to get where you want to be in the gene pool.

      [–]john-b 22 ポイント23 ポイント

      We can only hope the West reclaims what was once was a respectable woman. Women got to teach their daughters proper ideals, morals & such. They should not be taught using miley cyrus. Some mothers sicken me. I once saw a mom allowing her 10 year old daughter to wear super short shorts & slutty fishnet stockings with slutty boots. It was fucked.

      [–]noblepaladin 13 ポイント14 ポイント

      I always hated that in many teenage girl targeted movies or TV shows, such as Twilight or Vampire Diaries, the lead female is often a very mediocre or even a slightly below average girl. Of course, she looks attractive, because this is fictional media where all the characters have attractive actors/actresses playing them. But in order to let the maximum number of female teens relate to the lead female character, they typically make her have slightly below average intelligence and a ton of other bad characteristics (suffering from a broken home, depression, drug problems, etc). Of course, in these stories, two super hot hunky alpha males fall in love with her or inexplicable reasons to create a love triangle.

      But think about this for a second in real life. If a girl is dumb and is a basket case due to a ton of personal issues she cannot sort out, guys are going to stay the fuck away. I think a lot of girls don't know what they are doing when they victimize themselves. Do they really think that a guy would be more attracted to her when she tells him that she was "abused" as a child or that she doesn't get along with any of her parents (in reality, she probably has a very normal life, but she is playing victim)? All of the high value guys are running the fuck away, the only guys who would stay are the ones that are going to pump and dump her.

      [–]jiveraffe 11 ポイント12 ポイント

      Of course, in these stories, two super hot hunky alpha males fall in love with her or inexplicable reasons to create a love triangle.

      This is all also true for the male actors. They will never criticize their audience/females (or at least not in public) because part of the fantasy is that McDreamy could fall in love with any mediocre, overweight dullard. The moment they start claiming a preference they shatter the illusion.

      This happened to Nash Grier, a semi-popular youtube teenager. He made a list video on youtube of such terribly misogynistic traits such as 'have a personality', 'motivate me', and 'make me a better person'. Bastards.

      http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/nash-grier-vine-youtube-sexist-video-backlash/

      [–]kay_x 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      This is exactly the point. These books, films, whatever all serve a single purpose and that's basically to just say "you're amazing regardless of your flaws, don't worry about anything and the perfect man will come running!". The problem is like you said it's often taken one step further to the point where young girls feel that playing the victim will raise their value and bring alphas running.

      The problem isn't just with the stories themselves as /u/jiveraffe said and it also leaks over onto other media as well. If you look at musicians like One Direction, The Vamps, Justin Bieber, etc. they all have mass teen female fanbases and not once do they tell fans to get lost (why would they? they'd lose sales/money/fame etc.) so just about every girl grows up without any rejection or quite frankly a reality check.

      [–]ametalshard 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      the lead female is often a very mediocre or even a slightly below average girl. Of course, she looks attractive, because this is fictional media where all the characters have attractive actors/actresses playing them. But in order to let the maximum number of female teens relate to the lead female character, they typically make her have slightly below average intelligence and a ton of other bad characteristics (suffering from a broken home, depression, drug problems, etc). Of course, in these stories, two super hot hunky alpha males fall in love with her or inexplicable reasons to create a love triangle.

      The same is true for male protagonists.

      [–]ThorLives 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      This is true. Though, women have the upper hand in the dating market, so guys often end up seeing their lack of success and getting angry about it in the long run. Girls can maintain the belief longer because there's a lot of guys around trying to get with her. I have female friends who can put up a relatively normal facebook profile picture and pull 100+ likes. I'm sometimes astounded by the amount of attention that some average-looking 25-year-old girls can get at the bar. And if she's a hot girl, she's treated like a minor celebrity.

      In the end, I think the media landscape is a minor issue. It has more to do with the fact that even average young women have guys trying to get with her (even if it's just trying to get a hookup), giving her a lot more options than your average guy.

      [–]PohFahVoh 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Good point. How many movie storylines are based on an average Joe who ends up scoring a 9/10 girl through a series of romantic gestures

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      Good on you for making her realise that being born with a vagina does not give you a bye to get where you want to be in the gene pool.

      Did he? It seems like all that happened is she shot him a glance of incredulity. She'll likely hamster away his disinterest and continue on unchanged.

      Even I grew up thinking I was a special flower and no matter what I did I deserved the absolute best.

      Unfortunately, letting little girls believe they're all special princesses is a big business. Girls will pay handsomely to maintain their illusions, given how important it is to them to be feeling good all day, everyday. There will never be a shortage of opportunists ready to sell people what they desire. That's capitalism.

      [–]kay_x 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      Did he? It seems like all that happened is she shot him a glance of incredulity. She'll likely hamster away his disinterest and continue on unchanged.

      Maybe she will hamster away. I'd like to think that OP at least gave her enough food for thought for her to at least try to do something that would make her a better suitor for the "good men" that she wants, even if it is only something small.

      [–]17 Endorsed ContributorHumanSockPuppet 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Maybe she will hamster away.

      I'd bet money on it. A woman's need to feel good about herself supercedes everything else. It is at the core of her every folly.

      [–]too_long_didnt_read 14 ポイント15 ポイント

      Part of me is wondering whether I should just pay to fuck 10/10 hookers when I'm in the mood, and then enjoy being single the rest of the time.

      The more women I meet the more disinterested in them past getting my dick wet I become. They literally have nothing to offer me past sexual release, and I can get that from a hooker without all the cuddling afterwards.

      [–]Sturmgeist781 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      I'm talking to eight different women right now. Had a date with three last week. Only still really enjoying the company of one of those three.

      Only one or two out of the eight can hold a real conversation and are fun to hang with. The other six, they just exist. Nothing to set them apart or make them special.

      It's disappointing when you think about it.

      [–]charlie_gillespie 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      Part of me is wondering whether I should just pay to fuck 10/10 hookers when I'm in the mood, and then enjoy being single the rest of the time.

      You better be pretty damn wealthy, because 10/10 hookers ain't cheap

      [–]1independentmale 9 ポイント10 ポイント

      You better be pretty damn wealthy, because 10/10 hookers ain't cheap

      Considering the amount of money my ex wife got out of me, divided by the number of times we had sex over the course of our marriage: 10/10 hookers are a goddamn bargain in comparison.

      [–]WTF7777777 21 ポイント22 ポイント

      Poor career prospects? You're not in the US then are you? In this country but the private and public sector are tripping over their twats to hire and promote women. This makes me wonder. Why does the man get locked up because he can't pay his child support? Why not just give him the kids and order the woman to go out and find work. She has an easier time of it. Answer? This fucking country is hostile towards men. It's ran by woman and their lawyers and there's more of them than us men.

      As far as your original comment yeah they all think that. I know a 50 something Philipina that is a nearly 5 foot tall, works in a school lunch room and never shuts up about how she has to find a tall rich man to marry her. "Oh that guy is too short" I hear out of her yapper anytime my girl friend points someone out in a club. I suggested perhaps the tall rich good looking guys are looking for the tall rich good looking women. Last time I had to fetch her drinks she doesn't talk to me anymore. Good !

      [–]magx01[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      Poor career prospects? You're not in the US then are you? In this country but the private and public sector are tripping over their twats to hire and promote women.

      I meant because they have no motivation, little relevant education and spend more time "figuring out what they want" (aka on facebook seeking likes for posting pics of their latest tattoos) than they do actually trying to better their position in life. They just wait around for a man to save, educate, entertain, support and protect them. Why swim three days for shore/safety when there's probably a rescue boat coming in a month? I'll just sit here and have men hold me up when I get tired after two minutes of halfhearted trying.

      [–]SigmaMu 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      50 something? In the club? Jesus Christ that was a typo, right?

      [–]WTF7777777 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      Think about it. It's dark. All the men are wearing beer goggles. I'm guessing she's always received more attention there than in say a well lit Walmart.

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        [–]WTF7777777 10 ポイント11 ポイント

        Not all women but you're right. 90% of them if I were to venture a guess. And 10% of men I'd say from my travels. And why not? Daddy has been coddling them since birth. And the ones who haven't received that treatment are hitting the pole or seeking it from strangers. It's definitely a combination of chemicals, biology and upbringing. Our government doesn't help matters. What penalty does the woman get for having the 5th kid she can't afford? More government benefits, more food stamps, more services, and the men she hijacks their sperm from? He gets to pay child support or ends up in jail if he can't pay.

        [–]bigbuzd1 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        At least I never got locked up for delinquent child support, but lost my drivers license and my career...3 hots and a cot sound good.

        [–]WTF7777777 6 ポイント7 ポイント

        all you can do is spread the word. it's the best revenge against the system.

        [–]nsummy 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        What the hell is a woman in her 50s doing hanging out in nightclubs? I don't care how good looking she is, at that age she has missed the the tall rich man boat over a decade ago, especially if she is looking for a guy in night clubs!

        [–]WTF7777777 3 ポイント4 ポイント

        Think about it. It's dark. All the men are wearing beer goggles. I'm guessing she's always received more attention there than in say a well lit Walmart.

        [–]TehFuggernaut 4 ポイント5 ポイント

        While I think you're ranting & raving a little bit - the US bends over backwards to hire women. Of the last 30 new hires we've had, ~80% of them have been women. When I graduated from college a few years back - the majority of girls had 2+ job offers out the gate in random interviews. Numerous guys I knew had no such propositions even with family connections.

        [–]Dick_Slynger_v2 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        I feel sorry for you youngsters having to deal with such stupid vapid cunts. I just fuck women, I don't need em around otherwise.

        [–]bigboooootyisnice 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        Meanwhile over at TwoXChromosomes - I dont get it

        [–]smokeybehr 3 ポイント4 ポイント

        I may get downvoted for this, but all the stuff you see about the "bar scene" in that one CougarLife commercial is some good RedPill info.

        OP's story reminds me of the brunette that sneers, "So, you're a computer geek?" with the blonde cougar saying, "You fold sweaters for a living, honey."

        [–]beltwaytr 3 ポイント4 ポイント

        You know why woman have this type of mentality? Desperate & thirsty ass men! Women are so used to having their egos blown sky high, that they get shocked + angry when they encounter a male that actually has standards.

        It's fucking disgusting and I've hated it since I was a kid in school. I mean this problem transcends Alpha,Beta, & Omega all types of guys are guilty of doing stupid shit like this:

        http://www.pricklypoison.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/thirst4_fixed_318993.jpg

        Let me tell you what shit like this does:

        It boosts their egos.

        It makes guys look like creeps.

        It lowers her opinion of men in general.

        It perpetuates the "Disposable Male" problem we face.

        For the sake of length I will stop there. Guys that have no kind of standards aside from pussy is pathetic in my opinion. No kind of self control, easily manipulated, and disposable.

        [–]Ripsaw1990 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        What women say they want and what they will settle for are two completely different things. I agree that this mindset is worth mentioning to demonstrate the entitlement, I would also like to mention to keep in mind it means nothing. Attraction is instinctual not logical so you should ignore what she says and focus on what she feels. Demonstrate alpha male characteristics and you've nailed down the only true check list box to be filled.

        [–]rapreaper 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        This is actually the fault of men who give women who only have pussy to offer a relationship. If they had all just pumped and dumped, she would have tried to increase her quality. As men we can't bitch about the quality of women available. Get the best girl you can. Don't even give momentary validation to the others (except friends). When girls stop getting attention at their level, they will be forced to climb the mountain.

        [–]swaggertank 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        Hot chicks offer looks, although that doesn't mean much since there A LOT of hot women so what you are saying is true.

        [–]Rational MaleRollo-Tomassi 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        You'll enjoy this: http://therationalmale.com/2011/12/14/qualities-of-the-prince/

        [–]exit_sandman 1 ポイント2 ポイント

        More direct translation: "Why would that matter? I have the tits, I make the rules!"

        [–]Bigperm78210 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        I know a woman (29 y/o) like this and she is completely alone, yet desperately wants a boyfriend. I felt bad for her for a long time until my mom had a talk with her about a man that was interested in her. She said she wasn't interested in him because she has bare minimum standards that he didn't meet. My mother pushed and asked what they are; she got a full list of ridiculousness... He's gotta be tall, passionate about his job, smart, work with his hands, democratic, liberal, Christian, in shape, a good cook, blah blah blah. After hearing that I no longer feel bad for her. She's not even super attractive, just average if anything. Whaddabitch!

        [–]General_Fear 3 ポイント4 ポイント

        The Wall explains a lot.

        When a woman is young. When she is hot and chest and butt still defy gravity, she is in demand. So she can be picky. In her 20's she has a laundry list of "must have" in order to marry.

        When women hit 30's the list get shorter. I remember a woman who said that a man had to be at least 6 ft tall. After her 30's, the requirement was gone.

        When a woman hits the Wall, she becomes invisible to men. The men seem to disappear. Men no longer hit on her. Or strike up a conversation. Or hold the door open for her. Etc etc . . . For many, the list is gone and they just want a "nice guy"

        BTW, some women never learn. If you go to an online dating web site you will see 40+ year old women who are fat and ugly with a laundry list of "must have" qualities to date her. LOL.

        [–]JHuffv1 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        Exactly what I was looking for today on TRP, thanks.

        [–]kick6 4 ポイント5 ポイント

        The problem isn't that modern women are like this, the problem is that so many men still attempt to cater to said lists so that they believe they're entitled to it...even though meeting the list is by definition impossible.

        [–]dicklord_airplane 7 ポイント8 ポイント

        even as a child, i knew something was wrong when the Spice Girls got famous with their "If you wanna be my lover" song. i remember thinking as an 8 year old, "Well this song isn't very fair. they're saying that girls can do whatever they want, but guys have to do all this certain stuff to make girls like them?" We are seeing the result now that we've grown up.

        girls kept getting the message that they shouldn't have to do anything to attract guys, and that guys were basically obligated to want them and support them regardless of their actions and choices. now there are a significant number of women out there who actually think that, "I shouldn't have to change anything about myself to get a man! that's sexist and misogynistic!" i guess you can get away with that sense of entitlement if you are already hot, but it's a great hindrance to most girls.

        edit: i wish yall would stop practicing schadenfreude in regard to women hitting the wall. it's petty and vile. it's a tragedy that people end up alone and miserable like that when things could have turned out differently. remember, they are plugged in and are essentially powerless to go against the mainstream culture that leads them to it.

        [–]sithman25 3 ポイント4 ポイント

        My god. Donald Glover had a similar critique of Destiny's Child. Great little standup snippet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H98Q-vGhhas&feature=youtube_gdata_player

        Definitely more about the AFBB mentality but also about the list.

        [–]vaker 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        i wish yall would stop practicing schadenfreude in regard to women hitting the wall. it's petty and vile. it's a tragedy that people end up alone and miserable

        Remember that usually these women got a lot of enjoyment out of rudely shutting down people approaching them, calling males creeps for no reason, shaming males, etc. All the things that females can get away with while they're young and attractive.

        [–]Adach -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

        I had to look up schadenfreude but you're totally right haha,

        I think its pent up frustration that makes people behave like this here, but you're totally right, they're not our enemies, they're just plugged in.

        [–]Riddlemeahwhatever 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        Women cannot fathom rejection. They can't understand why it's happening. They turn internally for the first time ever and rip themselves apart. After that, they start getting very go grrrrl and expect praise for being a semblance of a productive human being.

        [–]watersign 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        I was telling my old man this the other day. Literally most women are useless whores and he gave me some speel of shit about "you gotta find a broad with a good head on her shoulders and settle down" ....for fucks sake man, this isnt the 1960s anymore!

        [–]PaulRivers10 4 ポイント5 ポイント

        Hate to be all NAWALT, but I kinda feel like TRP gets to bitter about this - yes, some women are like that, and yes, those women are the most likely to be single.

        But years ago I dated a girl who was barely out of high school (yes, high school, we're not talking about a paradigm of maturity here), and she had a similar story - she made a list of things she wanted in a guy. She went out, searched hard - and found a guy who met all those criteria. Said there was no chemistry and she was bored out of her mind.

        The difference is - she didn't keep complaining that "there are no good men out there", instead she said "well, that didn't work" and stopped approaching dating that way.

        [–]magx01[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        What's your point? I specifically said "quite often" in the OP. You added nothing.

        [–]secret_barber 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        You probably should've next'd this one long before you got to this sentence.

        [–]TeutonicNite 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        Go on Plenty of Fish or OKCupid, girls don't even write profiles anymore. If they're hot they think that's enough. They'll often have profiles with pictures where they look almost too good to be true (Most of the time it is, hurray airbrush!) but at the same time you look at their education field, it'll often only say "high school" with their occupation being hair dresser.

        So in otherwords... I'll be the income if I were to marry them. sweet.

        [–]Burner1701 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

        I'm pretty sure hairdressers get paid.

        [–]aazav 1 ポイント2 ポイント

        A: Why shouldn't that matter because you're a girl? How is that a valid excuse?

        I'm waiting. You can tell me.

        [–]Ahrius -1 ポイント0 ポイント

        They offer a warm hole, and apparently that's enough.

        Joke's on her though. No bitch will ever be as tight as my hand.

        [–]cherrypoptart27 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        Your post reminds me of this hilarious post on my newsfeed today:

        http://imgur.com/iArx1oa

        http://imgur.com/N19xUxs

        The hamster is strong in this one. I swear I'm gonna delete my account.

        [–]Willravel -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

        That seems like a hasty generalization, OP. You talk to one (possibly hypothetical) person, of seven billion, and find she is a little selfish in this one way, therefore all men are victims or potential victims of this because you think she's somehow representative of some significant number of women? I see no reason to conclude that. And what about men? Do you really think that there aren't men who are consumed by what they want in a partner but are unwilling to provide a host of their own positive attributes to the table?

        Yes, some people are kinda shitty. That hardly means men are "dealing with" this kind of thing in any significant way. I don't. I don't know anyone else who is. I worry it's largely imagined.

        You seem to think that some significant amount of women can be labeled as lazy, unaccountable, indebted, entitled, etc., but does that mean some significant percentage of men also hold this troubling view? I don't think so. Just as I wouldn't want to be lumped in with that group, I'm sure women wouldn't want to be lumped in with the one (possibly hypothetical) person you're speaking about.

        If you're interested in men having a positive identity, perhaps the place you should start is recognizing that men and women really aren't all that different, that women are people just like you or I, and that you don't build up the male identity by tearing down the female identity. Using one example as a way to paint women—who you repeatedly call 'girls'—with a wide brush in the negative does absolutely nothing to build us up, in fact it simply widens a deep and unnecessary divide between people.

        [–]Subtletorious 1 ポイント2 ポイント

        White Knight on his trusty steed, here to save the day. Bravo, White Knight!

        [–]reddit0rsareawesome 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        Not ALL women are boring.

        [–]blerg39 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

        it's weird, i never think that anyone will ever be interested in me so i never think about what i could offer a man and how i could in fact make his life better and bring him joy. i just thought i'd be a drain on someone but hearing about a girl like this i'm sure there must be someone who would just want to hang out and go on awesome little adventures and learn and grow together, you know? This girl sounds like she's looking for someone to save her.

        [–]1Marsupian -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

        When a girl is going over a list like that she isn't literally saying she wants a guy who ticks all the boxes (she might think she is but that is not the reason why she is talking about it). What she is doing is trying to increase her value (look how picky I am) or giving a general shit test to all men out there (don't think you have a chance with me if you don't tick all these boxes).

        Obviously all you have to do is be a strong and dominant guy who gives her tingles. Whether you tick any boxes on the list is irrelevant.

        You can shit on her for having a list of requirements while not considering what she brings to the table but that is missing the point. That is taking things literally. I have respect for girls talking about shit like that because it achieves a goal. It is a decent fitness test which is the womens #1 role in social interactions. Making sure she only mates with the fit males.

        If a girl doesn't take care of herself and brings nothing to the table that is a reason to not respect her or consider her as an option. If she makes a list with the purpose of weeding out the guys who lack the balls and social intelligence to see through it and take the initiative anyway than that is fine in my book.

        BTW. The disparity in expectations from men and a girls own value is actually a good thing. It is selecting for the best genes. If low value girls would bang low value guys that would in terms of evolution be bad for the species.

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