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[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 2 時間 前
:(
[–]fuck_you_pdx 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 2 時間 前
I guess that's what happens when you arbitrarily restrict modders from source access (and obfuscate the binaries to hinder 'real' modding) while sticking them with an archaic, slow and awful 'scripting' language built into the game, so that you can continue pumping out those music and face packs.
[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 2 時間 前*
You obviously have way more information about this than I do and probably have a very clear and balanced view of this. I'm going to defer to your judgement. Totally justifies the leak.
edit.
This was sarcastic, glib and not very constructive of me. my apologies. I explained what I actually meant in later posts. I'm going to leave the original comment as reminder to myself not to do it again. Sorry
[–]RustledJimm 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 1 時間 前
Ever since For the Glory and Darkest Hour, which are two of the BEST gs games made, it seems like Paradox has given the modding community the shit end of the deal.
If you say you aren't then that's all well and good, I guess we can take your word for it. But it certainly looks, and seems, like you're just giving up it.
Personally I can't wait to see if we can mod this into a working game.
[–]fuck_you_pdx 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 2 時間 前
I don't have more information. But the truth is that PDX's toxic stance towards the community and modding/modders in general is the reason it happened in the first place. There were several devs that came forward after EvW was cancelled and said in so many words that you guys had given them a raw deal.
[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 1 時間 前
I wholeheartedly agree that PDX could handle things a lot better. Hindsight is always 20/20 and from here the right decisions seem clear.
I think we can all agree that we'd love to see more great projects from the wonderful and talented dev community - stuff that the mothership won't/can't do because there's only so much a studio can do with the limited resources they have. Heck they do more than the resources they're given.
Let's say there are voices within PDX that advocate better/more collaboration with modders - leaks like this don't help.
Basically - two wrongs don't make a right.
I hope we get to do it right one day.
[–]mycroftislove 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 1 時間 前
Well then get to it: make an official statement and release what was leaked today and let the community see what they can make off it. I mean you cant stop people from getting it now anyways so might as well release it officially and hand it over to the modders.
[–]Repulsive_AnteaterVictorian Emperor 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 53 分 前
A winning idea.
[–]Bobocrunch 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 1 時間 前
That'll be a miracle, seeing how Paradox (and you) are reacting.
[–]RustledJimm 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 1 時間 前
So, you cancel a game that is very far into development. Shut the door in modders and the rest of the communities face and then winge about it when there's a leak and say it won't help? Paradox didn't help in the first place. You slammed the door in our faces and someone has opened the door slightly ajar for us. And you're throwing a hissy fit saying it won't help future collaboration.
You made US lose confidence in YOU. You shouldn't be surprised this happened and should work to regain that confidence instead of damning it more.
I agree with you. I think you are largely right. We have to rebuild that confidence.
We can't just talk the talk - we've got a bit of walking to do as well.
I'm saying that a leak doesn't make things better if the collective goal is more collaboration in the future.
Two wrongs don't make a right. You feel me?
[–]RustledJimm 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 時間 前
You could outreach to the modding community and allow us to attempt to complete this game perhaps? Given some source modders could work on this. We now know how far along development it is in and we want it. We want to work on it. It could be an amazing game.
But we know that just won't happen. It's what we've come to expect from Paradox.
Also frankly I think we feel lied to. When cancelled Paradox made it seem as if the game just was not workable and as I said, we now see how far along in development it was. We feel as if Paradox just lied to us to try and sweep this under the carpet.
[–]Repulsive_AnteaterVictorian Emperor 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 1 時間 前
They probably needed to divert the funding for Songs of the Uyghur and Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg Coat-of-Arms Pack.
[–]Bobocrunch 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 時間 前*
Don't forget the Aztec portraits and the Songs of the Bengali. Only 5 shekels each!
[–]Waifu_WarriorMap Staring Expert 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 50 分 前
Fuck it I replied to an earlier comment but I'll say it again here.
You're blaming an entire community for the actions of at most a few people. Once it's on the internet, it's fair game. It's useless to try and stop it. If you really expect a diehard grand strategy fan to look at a download link for what is essentially now the Firefly season 2 of our genre and say "Nah" then you have to stop for a moment and realize that you are being completely naive.
[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 37 分 前
I replied to you - but I'll say it again. I don't blame the entire community - and I'm all aboard the fair game thing.
Cancelled game leads to leaked game. I get that. I'm not trying to stop that.
I'm just saying that similarly - when stuff like this happens it decreases the likelyhood of either side getting the chance to do a "TNG season 8". It's a statement of fact. which saddens me - because I would have loved to see FFS2 or TNGS8.
[–]Waifu_WarriorMap Staring Expert 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 55 分 前
Don't act like the entire community is behind this when at most it was a couple of guys. Unless you're trying to say you're upset with everyone for spreading it? Well that's how the internet has worked since day one. Ask Beyonce's publicist. Info spreads, and there is little anything anyone can do to stop it.
Not that we should try. I also don't like how you seem to think the community should feel guilty over this leak. The internet may have brought businesses closer to their consumers, but that's no reason to act all buddy buddy and imply we have some sort of obligation to you.
[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 42 分 前
Dude, In no way do I feel the community should feel guilty for this or that they have any obligation to PDX. It's the internet - it happens.
I'd like to see more mods and collaboration between PDX and the community. A cancelled game does not further that goal - nor does a leaked one.
[–]Bobocrunch 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 34 分 前
So you're saying that you want to see my collaborations...Yet you detest a leaked version of a hatcheted collaboration? This only shows that people wanted EvW, but I guess selling it as a DLC to HoI4 is the main goal of Paradicks.
[–]Repulsive_AnteaterVictorian Emperor 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 時間 前
You can do it right tomorrow, by reactivating this 90% complete game and selling it on Early Access.
But you won't.
[–]FlyingSpaghettiManLord of Butter -14 ポイント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント 1 時間 前
Also, try not to be discouraged by all the downvotes, we have a lot of pitchfork mobs today.
[–]GzalziLord of Calradia 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 52 分 前
Keep suckin' that Paradox dick.
[–]Repulsive_AnteaterVictorian Emperor 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 1 時間 前
He's an adult. He doesn't need you to kiss his ass.
[–]FlyingSpaghettiManLord of Butter -15 ポイント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント 1 時間 前
The flavor is lovely, though.
[–]Repulsive_AnteaterVictorian Emperor 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 時間 前
Obviously.
[–]Bobocrunch 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 時間 前
Rightfully so. Sucking Paradox's dick won't make them hire you.
[–]Draakon0 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 9 分 前
Oh yes, let's care about internet points.
[–]FlyingSpaghettiManLord of Butter -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 7 分 前
I don't care honestly, but it does effect visibility of the post and effects the tone of replies.
[–]pdx_shamsCorporate Paladin -12 ポイント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント 1 時間 前
Is be pissed too and downvoting is easy to do. The point is just to have a nuanced discussion.
Canceling a game years into development has an ugly side.
Leaking games also has one.
Someone spoke about rebuilding confidence. I think it's dead on - but it goes both ways.
[–]Bobocrunch 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 1 時間 前
Yeah, the ugly side to leaking games is that Paradox doesn't get any money for hatcheting a game and most likely making it DLC for HoI4. Nothing about this hurts the consumer. We're getting what we were promised years ago.
[–]RustledJimm 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 1 時間 前
Can I ask if there will be an official reaction to the leak? Any OFFICIAL comment from Johan or Paradox Interactive etc.?
[–]Draakon0 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 8 分 前
You have a message to say. And you are saying it. Ignore the existance of downvoting, because this is the internet where people can't follow reddiquette.
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