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Girl, 16, Stabs Kidnapping Suspect, Escapes (denver.cbslocal.com)

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[–]ablebodiedmango 9 ポイント10 ポイント

Smart enough to escape a kidnapping but not smart enough to refuse rides from strangers. What the fuck was she thinking?

[–]heartbraden 4 ポイント5 ポイント

??

What the fuck was the kidnapper thinking, abducting someone against their will? Why the fuck are you placing blame on the victim?

[–]HRHill 27 ポイント28 ポイント

Because everyone, once capable of knowing the difference between right and wrong, must accept some measure of personal responsibility. Not taking rides from strangers, exactly because of shit like this, is something that the vast majority of people are taught at a young age.

Does that mean that someone foolish enough to accept a ride from a stranger in a non-life threatening situation deserves to come to harm as a result of that decision? No. But it also doesn't mean her parents shouldn't give her some serious shit for getting in the car in the first place.

[–]HaroldOfTheRocks 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Not placing blame, but it's still a stupid thing to do. Until the total number of people willing to kidnap is at zero, then people should be taught to do things to minimize their chances of running into those people or doing things that make the objectives of the kidnapper easier to accomplish.

[–]nashstar 2 ポイント3 ポイント

the blame should be placed on everyone proportionate to the nature of their involvement in the situation.

[–]COScout 2 ポイント3 ポイント

An interesting statement, but I would think it would be more accurate to say "Placed on everyone proportionate to the severity of what they did wrong". I am assuming you don't think the girl and the kidnapper should be blamed equally for this.

[–]rn-ml-rmWestminster 0 ポイント1 ポイント

My name is Braden too!

[–]ablebodiedmango -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

So you're totally okay with people getting themselves into dangerous situations and never learning from it?

Let's just tell this girl to go ahead and get into another car with a random stranger, tell YOUR kids that too, shall we? If something bad happens to them we shouldn't lament the lack of common sense because who needs that right?

She got into the car willingly with him, it's not like he snatched her off the street. She made the first stupid move, and MAYBE it's a good idea to remind people not to do that... or would you rather just have more kids getting kidnapped because you'd rather leave the victim "blameless" for her own mistake?

[–]COScout -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

I believe the point they were trying to make was that engaging in victim blaming, you deflect attention from the real issue. By placing blame on the girl, it appears you're passively letting the perpetrator off the hook for his actions, even if that's not what you intended. In fact, this is exactly what the #YesAllWomen stuff was about on twitter not too long ago, and it's an issue women's rights advocates have been facing for years, because it trivializes what they go through. It's unfortunate, but I know that I, as a man, can't truly empathize with it.

Really, the issue comes down to this: There's nothing inherently morally or ethically wrong with getting in a car with a stranger, but there is something both morally and ethically wrong with kidnapping someone, therefore he blame should be attributed to those who are perpetrating those acts.

[–]ablebodiedmango 4 ポイント5 ポイント

And that's lazy analysis that will get people hurt and/or killed. It's obvious the kidnapper is a horrible person and should be locked up. However, to pretend there's no lesson to be learned and that the girl was stupid (and not "morally wrong") to get into the car is dangerous. She was stupid. It was a stupid thing to do. Hopefully other kids learn from that.

[–]notHooptieJDenver 1 ポイント2 ポイント

apparently she was thinking "well i have a knife if he tries anything"

[–]HRHill 5 ポイント6 ポイント

She got her hands on the kidnappers knife.

[–]notHooptieJDenver 2 ポイント3 ポイント

then yes "what the fuck was she thinking?" is an appropriate question.

[–]therealCapwn -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

Its her fault he lied, and was a piece of shit

OMGZ MY INTERNET POINTZ , He be takin' em!! gotta kill myself now ..

[–]ablebodiedmango -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Who said anything about "fault"? Lazy logic is lazy logic. People shouldn't get into cars with strangers. He offered her a ride and she got in. It's basic fucking step 1 kid common sense.

Are we going to say she's a fucking genius if he offered candy out of a white van, but it wound up he had no candy?

[–]therealCapwn 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Its still not her fault.. I've taken a ride from a stranger, and didn't get raped, tied up, or anything.. I'd bet there is a good amount of people that have , and nothing bad happened. So saying "its her fault, hur durrr, don't take rides from strangers" Is just saying , "He had every right to rape her, Dumb girl shouldn't have got in.. " The logic doesn't fit you see. She shouldn't have taken the ride, yeah. I get that. But he also shouldn't have tried to kidnap/rape/etc her. Period.

[–]ablebodiedmango 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I never said it was her fault for almost getting kidnapped. It IS her fault for getting into a car with a stranger. Nobody else can be blamed for that. You're a moron for not understanding that.

[–]cchingsArvada 0 ポイント1 ポイント

When I was in college, I accepted plenty of rides from strangers, and I'm still alive and well. I wasn't actively seeking them out, but when I couldn't afford other transportation, I walked—often in the rain, and it didn't take long before some compassionate old lady would pull up next to me and offer a ride.

Everything you do has risk involved. Getting into a car with a stranger has risks, but it might surprise you to know that most people aren't out to get you. There really are some decent people out there.

There's a small, but existent risk of getting carjacked or carbombed every time you get into your car after leaving it unattended, but we still leave our cars unattended to go to work, run errands, etc. How do you know the bus you're getting into won't be the target of a biological or chemical terrorist attack? How do you know that some crazed driver won't swerve onto the sidewalk and hit you if you decide to walk?

[–]therealCapwn -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

Okay, you're right, Dumb cunt should have got raped. Sorry dude, I was having trouble seeing the light. TY for showing me ;)

[–]ablebodiedmango 0 ポイント1 ポイント

You're so incapable of argument that you just keep piling on the strawman. That's what dumb people do when they don't understand what they're being told.

[–]therealCapwn 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Or when you have idiots that dont understand the logic of . .. She should be able to accept a ride, Without worry . Thats first of all.

Second of all, If he seemed sketchy, I bet she wouldn't have taken the ride..

You just refuse to place any blame on the guy. which I find strange. At least I have acknowledged both parties fucked up ;)

[–]HaroldOfTheRocks 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Wait, so you shouldn't bother teaching kids not to take rides from strangers because if anything happens it not their fault?

[–]therealCapwn -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Did I say that? I dont think I did..

I however refuse to believe under no circumstance can you accept a ride from somebody you do not know. That is just silly. If a creepy ass person pulls up and trys to give me/you or anyone else a ride, we aren't going to take it obviously.. But if someone seems on the up and up, you/me/they might be more willing to accept. As I am guessing was the case here.

[–]ablebodiedmango -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Just FYI, if you ever have kids, tell them not to get into cars with strangers - as most of the free world has told their kids - because at the very least I want to make sure your kids are not as incredibly stupid as you are.

I can't tell you how fucking idiotic it is to believe the only time you shouldn't get into a stranger's car is if "they look sketchy." Did you know that Ted Bundy was a good looking guy? This is what he did.

Bundy was regarded as handsome and charismatic by his young female victims, traits he exploited to win their trust. He typically approached them in public places, feigning injury or disability, or impersonating an authority figure, before overpowering and assaulting them at more secluded locations. He sometimes revisited his secondary crime scenes for hours at a time, grooming and performing sexual acts with the decomposing corpses until putrefaction and destruction by wild animals made further interaction impossible. He decapitated at least 12 of his victims, and kept some of the severed heads in his apartment for a period of time as mementos. On a few occasions he simply broke into dwellings at night and bludgeoned his victims as they slept.

[–]therealCapwn 0 ポイント1 ポイント

After clicking your name to send you a PM.. How do you kill that which has no life?

[–]hashmon -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Um, she needed a ride? You're a moron for not understanding that. I've picked up hitchhikers tons of times, and I've been in that situation myself a few times.

[–]tippytoezLakewood 0 ポイント1 ポイント

If you read the article she was boarding a bus when the man approached her. She didn't need a ride because she had a bus.

[–]ablebodiedmango 0 ポイント1 ポイント

And you've been an idiot many times.