Shepard Smith asked Judge Andrew Napolitano whether or not the Taliban prisoner exchange was legal under the NDAA H.R. 1960 Statute. The judge explained that the swap was illegal because taxpayer dollars were spent to remove these prisoners from Guantanamo Bay without giving Congress 30 days notice. However, Napolitano goes a step further by pointing out that Obama has provided material assistance (human assets) to the Taliban, which has been identified by Congress to be a non-state terrorist organization. This is a crime punishable by imprisonment of 10 years to life, which covers all Americans–including the President.
Obama Could Be Facing 10 Years To Life In Prison…
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We can only pray that this is true and he does serve time.
PLEASE LET HIM BE OUR FIRST BLACK NON AMERICAN COMMUNIST TERRORIST PRESIDENT TO DO HARD TIME
Don, in all fairness…the first Mulatto president……(c;
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Yes Tom, he’s a Mulatto; and I agree with Don
Don, in all complete fairness, our first ILLEGALLY elected, mulatto, Junior Senator masquerading as POTUS to do hard time.
I can hardl.y wit until he gets in prison, and meets his future boyfriend, a big, BIG black dude who will call him a cute “female dog.” That would save the tax payers thousand in Secret Service bills. And then overrule all of the bills passed illegally, and all the SCOTUS rulings handed down illegally during this illegal admnsitration with a non-qualified person passing himself off as POTUS, appointing people who lied when they took their oaths of office. America For Patriotic Americans!
We could paint you brown, and you’d pass for “BIG black dude”.
He who makes allegations has the burden of proving them. Can you prove all of your allegations?
Racism, homophobia, white nationalism, and complete ignorance of politics all rolled into one comment? It’s almost magical!
This comment is for RALPH: You are the reason we have deportation and are against illegal immigration. People like you do not deserve to have your feet on American soil.
I do not agree with Roselind for the most part, simply because of her desire, but saving the people, saving the law, saving our country, yes I do stand with her. The first sentence is pretty harsh. I just want him hung.
He would love having bubba as a boyfriend. He is used to that. I think the bigger the better for him.
He would love to be the queen of a prison.
And it’s the scum sucking cockroaches that support the Usurper that WTP will “deal” with when their daddy declares martial law. Civil war has a way of “flushing the toilet” of all the fecal matter and those illegal alien supporters (Loyalists), just as in the first Revolution, will be dealt with accordingly.And payback’s a bitch!!!
“If our people aren’t worth four or five terrorists sitting in a Gitmo prison cell, then you tell me why we’ve spent the last twelve years in two wars, why we traded the lives of six thousand servicemen and why we killed hundreds of thousands Iraqis and Afghans to avenge three thousand Americans. Go on, tell me why it was okay for the previous administration take a hundred enemy lives for every one of ours, but it’s not acceptable for the current administration to trade five terrorists for the life of one American soldier – especially when we gave six American lives as a down payment looking for him after his disappearance. Why were the Americans who died on 911 any more valuable than Bowe Bergdahl?
And if Bergdahl is guilty of desertion, then don’t we owe it to those six dead soldiers to bring him home and make him account for his cowardice?”
really?
Mary, please get your head out of the sand, or wherever you keep it stuck. Bowe Bergdahl is an anti-American muslim who deserted his fellow soldiers and voluntarily joined the taliban. What obummer did was to try to camouflage the release of five terrorists by hiding behind the supposed “freeing of an American soldier.”
Bowe Bergdahl is a traitor to his country and so, for that matter, is obummer.
Obummer would release all the terrorists if he thought he could get away with it. What he doesn’t realize, is that he could get away with it because of people like YOU. Please go back and watch the stage show of his first “news conference.”
There were plenty of REAL AMERICAN PRISONERS that the POTUS could have traded for but, he chose the sham of “freeing” Bergdahl. Wake up, please.
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Umm, Carl, didn’t you mean http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com?
It’s not true, and he won’t.
MAGUS, to what were you referring when you said,
“It’s not true, and he won’t?”
Your comment appears to be out of context here.
Better him rather than all of America!
Never gonna happen.
The Congress and Senate don’t have the guts , and the race baiters would Riot .
Me thinks sir you are correct and the la la’s of la la land will continue to la la. whiling their time away on our dollar.
Well, they’ll have lots of competition and opposition …
We can hope! Nothing like a target rich environment!!
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will never happen
Me thinks sir you are correct. The people in La, La land will continue to La, La on our dime while wasting our dimes while they la, la around doing nothing.
He’s got to be Impeached by the Congress and convicted by the Senate or removed by 2/3 of the States before he can go to jail no matter HOW much of a criminal he might be. That’s not going to happen with the Senate…they’re as bad as he is.
Could we wait till we win the senate to prosecute or is there a statute of limitation?
I certainly hope so! But he will probably have nothing done to him!
It won’t happen! Eric holder wouldn’t prosecute!
Eric Holder job is to keep Obama a@@ out of the ringer . Nobody in Congress has the guts to do what’s right and just . Obama is a Muslim traitor doing what ever he can to destroy this country
We all know what Obama did was wrong and against protocol but it’s known that he thinks he’s “untouchable” and congress won’t do anything because (unfortunately) racism will come into play.
The ludicrous behavior an blatant disregard for the law, public opinion, and just plain common sense makes me wonder. Scandal after scandal with no offer of logical explanation for what or why these things are occurring make me wonder . I have seen these things happen where people do things that seem so far fetched an make no sense to the average person . Like a person outside watering the lawn with a hose and a flashlight at 3 in the morning is strange an against common sense. Then you find out that person is on drugs an the puzzle fits I WONDER!!!
He’s on a drug alright…it’s called power. Remember he has the pen and he has the phone and he can do whatever he wants to do. Time has shown this true as over and over again he gets away with murder (literally as well as figuratively). Somehow the checks and balance system our forefathers put into place are not working with this guy!
Nixon was forced to resign under threat of impeachment for bugging an office in a building and for lying about it. Obama has bugged the entire nation and our allies, left 4 Americans in Benghazi to die, sicked the IRS on organizations that spoke out against him, sent armed assassins to the Bundy ranch to potentially kill a lot of people, abandoned a Reserve Marine in a Mexican prison, ordered the transfer of weapons from the USA into Mexico via Arizona and Florida – Fast and Furious – spent several hundred million dollars on luxury vacations for he and his entire family and staff, ignored the VA Scandal of which he appoints the SES Bureaucrats who run it, defied congress by opening the border and granted de facto amnesty to tens of thousands of illegal alien children and their illegal alien parents, thwarted the Federal Law that requires him to give Congress 30 days notice before any Gitmo detainee’s are released, etc. and et al. There are so many other acts of disloyalty and treason that I am at a loss to put all of them in writing. Maybe someone out there can help me.
The NSA is not controlled by Obama and the NSA is only aloud to do what
ZACHARY, The NSA can do whatever the POTUS lets them do.
Did you get cut off before you finished, “…the NSA is only aloud to do what…”? Or was that your complete “thought?”
The NSA was around before the Obama administration and the only reason they are “legally” aloud to do what they are doing now is because of the patriot act which was created by the Bush administration. Do you even think about the things you are saying in your comments. I can’t even comprehend how you were to write and not feel like a complete idiot afterwards. Unless it were just some kind of sat
I suggest you review the revisions to the NDAA that was signed by obama that changed the limits of the Patriot Act.
It was this revision that ‘legally aloud’ (sic) the failure to use the NSA against the American citizens as he is.
Ignorance of historical facts doesn’t change them.
Damn ZACHARY, you just can’t manage to complete a comment. Or does your “thought” process just end at some arbitrary point?
“Unless it were just some kind of sat (end thought process here due to lack of intelligence)…?”
In all fairness for Nixon, he did not bug the Democratic offices nor did he ‘authorize’ it. The extent of his involvement was that he knew those working for him were going to do it and then lied about knowing.
For this Nixon was to be impeached while one who blatantly, openly and defiantly breaks the law does so with impunity.
Best news I’ve heard all day!
Who? Teflon Obama? Yeah right.
You do realize he exchanged 5 prisoners for one Veteran who had presumable been held captive since 2009. On top of this the veteran last statements were that he was ashamed of being an American. He entered this war and was critical of it under the Bush administration. And regardless of who and what, most people in this country would just write him off because of the things he said and his political beliefs. It was a right thing to do.
Dem’s and republican presidents have done worse things while keeping congress in the dark. And on another why would so many of you wish that he would get raped in prison. That’s just pathetic regardless of your feelings towards a person.
Obviously the Taliban were not as welcoming with open arms as the deserter/collaborator thought they would be.
Let’s not forget that over 2/3rds of the casualties of this war were lost under the obama regime.
Don’t don the uniform of the Greatest Military in the world if you’re a coward.
Tell the thousands that will now die or be captured because of trading one deserter for these 5 now being free that it was “the right thing to do”.
I was wondering when someone was going to develop enough intestinal fortitude (aka guts) to recognize and actually say something truthful about the “Teflon president.” It’s unbelievable how much Obama has gotten away with, with not even a hint from Congress for his impeachment!! Did it really take this actual “treasonous” in-your-face act to finally arouse Congress out from under their incompetency? Or, will the saga continue until Obama has completely destroyed America and we can watch him don his Muslim terrorist attire, and burn his American mask. We shall see! Stay tuned.to see if ‘your’ prediction becomes a reality.
there has to be enough house members to impeach and there is not. sadly he will go on being the worst president we have ever had!
I don’t know if this is true, but if it is its not like he would suffer much.. Seriously doubt it will ever happen.. Prison for the President? He will be living better than O.J. Simpson is.. And that’s good..
Okay, if you honestly believe his you’re nuts! Haha. It would be all over the news if its true.
Amanda, I realize you are a flaming Socialist / Communist / Progressive / Liberal, but what the Judge said is true. For you Libs that are too lazy to do research…or too starry-eyed for the fraud in the White House…here is the actual text of H.R. 1960 – Sec 1033.
Requirements for certifications relating to the transfer of detainees at United States Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to foreign countries and other foreign entities
(a)
Certification required prior to transfer
(1)
In general
Except as provided in paragraph (2) and subsection (d), the Secretary of Defense may not use any amounts authorized to be appropriated or otherwise available to the Department of Defense to transfer, during the period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act and ending on December 31, 2014, any individual detained at Guantanamo to the custody or control of the individual’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity unless the Secretary submits to Congress the certification described in subsection (b) not later than 30 days before the transfer of the individual.
Did you happen to catch that part about MAY NOT USE ANY AMOUNTS…TO TRANSFER????
BARRY BROKE THE LAW!!! Does it matter to the loons on the left??? Obviously not!!
The law requires 30 days’ notice to Congress before a Gitmo detainee is transferred or released. The White House has now brazenly flouted that requirement. And the precedent being set by Team Obama is problematic in the same ways as the executive-branch power grabs that happened during the Bush Administration. In fact, Senator Obama was a critic of the logic he has now shamelessly adopted. He decried signing statements, for example, but cites a signing statement of his own as if it is a defense against violating the plain text of what he signed.
The illegality of the Obama Administration’s actions is underscored by the way their story keeps changing. The White House began by hinting that the 30-day notification requirement is unconstitutional. But it is unwilling to press that claim. Its current position is that Congress didn’t intend the law to say what it says.
Obama declared to The Boston Globe that “the president does not have the power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
Yet in 2011 the president did precisely that. Not only did he bypass Congress in authorizing the U.S. military to help topple the Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi, but he flagrantly defied Congress several months later after it voted 295-123 to reject further authorization of lethal U.S. force there.
I believe the President did break this law
This will have meaning when the rule of law means something once more in America.
Don’t you wingnuts have to take your naps now?
So what section or title of the H.R. 1960 statute does this allegedly exist. If you are going to reference it, reference it fully. Don’t just through out a document name and call it good.
Don’t be so lazy!! Try doing a little research!! I’ll help you out this time, because most libs are too ignorant to actually read. They have to wait for the lame stream liberal media to tell them more lies.
It is H.R. 1960 – SECTION 1033
Can we take Biden too, I’m sure barry probably talked to him, oh and what about Kerry and the whole damn lot of them to Prison ! Kick out all the illegals & muslims, get rid of the overly powerful alphabet agencies, get rid of obammycare !
I truly wish it would happen but I really don’t think that it will .Seems like the DemocRATs in the Senate and Congress see Obama as some kind of God or something.They are always sticking up for Obama saying what a great job he is doing .
How about the,lies the meanstream media wont report. Taliban by definition are not terrorist they are enemy combatants. You idiots are fools. Prisoner swaps have been done numerous in our countries history this is no different. define race baiting.
I hate to bust your right wing bubbles and smack you in the face with reality but impeachment ain’t gonna happen.I know you all hate the black man in the White House and that’s your problem and you need to get over it .Grow up and stop pouting and throwing temper tantrums like little spoiled kids. It’s embarrassing .
Your comment, alone, is ignorant. I don’t care if a black man is in office. However, I do care that a man is in office and is destroying what this nation took centuries to build. I look forward to seeing him get thrown out of office and thrown in prison where he belongs. So, my response to you is “get over it!”.
Jonas I am sure you are a educated person so to make that comment when you don’t know people is not to bright. I don’t care what color you are as President, I am not a registered anything and vote accordingly . Color has nothing to do w ones job so get off that circle. Oh but I do care about a practicing Muslim in the Cabinet or as Pres you can dang sure count on that! We have at least 11 Members of the WH Cabinet who do so and if you aren’t concerned now you better get in that particular circle.
We should be so lucky. Nice dream though!
The prisoners released are enemy combatants, and Prisoners of War, not terrorists.
The Bush administration jumped through a lot of legal hoops to make sure they were classified as such. Trading POWs does not classify as giving terrorists to the Taliban.
I think the odds of Obama getting jailtime for this are about the same odds of Ronald Regan getting jailtime for providing weapons to Iran….
If they are ‘prisoners of war’, why were they sent to Qatar and not their own country that we are at war with?
By the way, what country are we at war with in that these ‘enemy combatants’ were captured?
They are terrorists, not prisoners of war.
Typical. Defending the indefensible. There is so much to send the failure to prison or in front of the firing line that this screw up barely even rates.
When were they officially declared POWs? The last time I heard anything about this Bush had not made up his mind whether to declare them terrorists or combatants.
After the “enhanced interrogations” I would say they were declared terrorists because terrorists are specifically exempt from the protections of the Geneva Convention.
All we ever see is Obama could be impeached, now Obama could face 10 years to life. Why don’t they start doing something about it in other words they can put their money where their mouth is.
Why continue to allow him to spend money like it is his as does his ape for a wife. Holder needs to go along with the other elected or appointed liars and crooks. There is no way this administration deserves the respect of the people. I have never been disrespectful to the government or about the government. I have never been so against a president as I am this current liar and crook along with his wife who thinks she is deserving of the trips she takes, the money she spends etc. Get rid of every damn one of them including that ape Mrs/ Monkey man Obama
Republicans in the House will not do anything simply because they do not have the courage to take action: They are more interested in their reelection campaigns than justice.
Even if a Republican is elected to the White House in 2016 AND Republicans control both the House and the Senate, nothing will occur then due to a lack of courage. Republicans will be afraid of what MIGHT happen if obama is prosecuted.
This is just wishful thinking.
By exchanging prisoners for a prisoner, if I heard you right, and I’m assuming it was an American we where exchanging for. Fox logic is that is illegal and would be providing assets to the terrorist which is punishable by law.
First off let’s send all of Fox over as prisoners and never negotiate any sort of release or deal for them.
What pixie dust are you two snorting? The connections you make are nonsense and I only hope people can tell when they’re being trolled.
Are you just babbling so you will THINK (a foreign term to Socialist Democrats) that you are intelligent?? It doesn’t make it so! This idiot WALKED AWAY FROM HIS POST and went looking to join the terrorists! You have obviously never served in the military (if you did…it was definitely NOT in a combat zone). It is assumed that all limp wristed Democrats ( by YOUR logic) would continue these terrorist for terrorist swaps. First off, let’s send all of the liberal Dimwits over as the idiots they are. You think you can reason with these rabid dogs??
If you gave a rat’s azz about the law…BARRY BROKE THE LAW…again! Do you give a damn about that?? Wow! How foolish of me to think laws matter to you bunch of socialists…until you just happen to need one. Read the actual Statute!! H.R. 1960 – SECTION 1033.
This is not the first time this Regime, has done this. They send money to “Arm the FSA”, and at least 25% of the FSA, is made up of Al Quedia Terrorists. John Kerry acknowledged 15L% to 25% were in Fact Al Quedia. This means the Obama Regime has shown a pattern of consistently “Giving Aid, and Comfort to the Enemy”. His classification of mohammmad nidal’s terrorist attack (at Fort Hood), as “Workplace Violence, shows his willingness to cover up facts, that do not fit his Agenda.
Yeah right, where these people who want to imprison Obama when the Bush Crime Syndicate sent the country to war against a country that never attacked us, and was no inherent threat, based on a LIE?
If Obama committed a crime, what sort of crime did Busn and company commit?
Personally, I would like to see the entire Bush Crime Syndicate behind bars, pounding salt into a rat hole in the Crowbar Hotel, for ETERNITY, for what they did.
It is true! Liberalism is a disease! Do you have a grasp on reality?? I am no fan of GW Bush, but at least he went before Congress and the U.N. for over 18 months to make sure what he was doing was done legally!! You want to lay this at Bush’s feet…then why not blame the Democrats in Congress for accepting the intelligence reports? By the way…the intelligence reports were give by Clinton holdovers…so now…why don’t we blame Clinton?? Barry does NOTHING legal, and if you were honest with yourself you would at least admit that! As I said, the so called lie was perpetrated by Clinton holdovers in the intelligence community.
Obama has committed many crimes…name one actual crime Bush committed. If you want to compare actual crimes against this country…you’d better do better than blame a non-existent “Bush Crime Syndicate”. That is getting very old and proven many times to be lame. I’ll bet you the entire Obama Crime Syndicate (like the many recent Democrat mayors and other elected officials) will be “pounding salt into a rat hole in the Crowbar Hotel…along with the America hating socialists…for ETERNITY…for what they are doing. You can even have a head of the line spot!
What drugs are you on? It was muslim terrorists that flew planes into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and what would have been the White House. The most interesting facts is: the terrorists were in this Country as guests of john Kerry. The flight training was paid for, by the Kerry’s Denying the truth, is typical for leftist, liberal, Socialists. Obama refuses to admit Islam is the common denominator in terrorist attacks over the last thirty plus years.
I dislike Kerry, but where is the proof the terrorists were here on Kerry’s bill or invite? If so perhaps we did terrorize our own country, because I would put nothing past our government anymore
Back up your accusation with facts please, not misnomers and bullcrapola
STOP the bush campaign it is long over! None of us are happy about him either but this is in the present and much more serious. If I have been given a job that someone else had, I do my best to complete it to the Companies satisfaction or I will be out of a job. WHY IS HE ANY DIFFERENT?
Where were these folks when Reagan gave 1500 missiles to Iran in exchange for hostages?
Isn’t it the same sort of crime?
OH Gawd It was Bushes Fault!
Mutchelles spending is his fault
Your being here is Bushs fault
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/uspresidents/tp/presidential_scandals.htm
this might increase your knowledge, every President is full of Scandals you should be fighting for truth instead of being stuck on the merry go round of just spewing words.
If Obama wasn’t Black, this would probably be the end for him.
To TOM from TOMB He isn’t “black”. His mother was a white whore.
He is politically “black”, not racially “black”.
There is a difference!
Tomb, the facts you presented were awesome. I have no idea if she was a whore, but he is not black and the way you stated it was perfections, Not Racially but politically. Amen!
You are absolutely right Tom. It would start a race riot I’m sure. There are supporters who would no doubt hand him the matches to burn the country down rather than admit he was a poor choice for president, based only on the color of his skin. It was time for our country to have a black president. Unfortunately he was never qualified for the job. Let’s hope and pray he doesn’t ruin us beyond redemption before his term is over.
I certainly feel safer with 5 Taliban terrorists being free to do what terrorists do. Obama is very thoughtful.
GOD I’m so tired of reading the same headlines and news articles that do nothing but regurgitate the same lament about our POTUS!! WHEN, oh WHEN, will I read a real and ACTIONABLE plan to make this happen?
Who would have the balls to go head to head with Obama on this?? …. yea I thought so.
I have tried my best. My eamils to the White House, my calls to the white house. Perhaos you don’t have any balls, but I do
Since Moochelle is the only one in the Obama family with balls…maybe we could draft her.
I would!
I fought under the Bush and Obama administration. I’d love to make this man sweat and stumble over his own words out of sheer nervousness
The Republican Pundits and the Republican Party should be the one’s sent to Guantanamo. “The” are becoming more insane by the day.
Oh yea, I forgot they are looking for more donations and voters so they have to ratchet up the fear mongering so their single minded voters will vote.
So you believe it’s okay to release muslim terrorists, for a defector? How does that serve the interest of the United States? I know it helps Al Quedia, and the Taliban.
what is wrong w you people. as I said before why aren’t you fighting for truth and freedom like the rest of us instead of sticking to the same thoughts. Why are you happy w the Economy, Wars, Freedoms disappearing as I write, etc. WHAT is wrong w you? I don’t give a RIP whose Party is I I want them to do their job, they were elected to do out will and do they ever? NO It wasn’t till Internet that most knew all the Lobbyists, crooked deals in Washington. Oh and why are you ok w Ilegals here when so many are unemployed. WHY??
I have never seen a page of comments so full of stupidity, bigotry, hatred, exaggeration, and misinformation than what I have seen and read here. I’m getting out of here.
The Supreme Court sustained a conviction of treason, for the first time in its history, in 1947 in Haupt v. United States. Here it was held that although the overt acts relied upon to support the charge of treason — defendant’s harboring and sheltering in his home his son who was an enemy spy and saboteur, assisting him in purchasing an automobile, and in obtaining employment in a defense plant — were all acts which a father would naturally perform for a son, this fact did not necessarily relieve them of the treasonable purpose of giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Obama brought home a Deserter, a known convert to the Radical religious group that kept him safe and in good health and has placed
I believe A Firing Squad is more appropriate or a rope as the Framers of the U.S. Constitution chose to adopt a restricted definition of treason, making it the only term defined in the body of the Constitution:
Art. III Sec. 3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two witnesses to the same overt Act, or on confession in open Court.
The entire world are the witnesses and Obama has given dual Aid and Comfort, not just to Bergdahl, but to the 5 Enemy’s of the world.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.[3]
A firing squad is better applied as the framers laid out Their reason for doing this was the common English practice of charging political opponents with a capital offense, often on weak evidence, under the doctrine of “constructive treason”. James Wilson[4] was the principal author of the provision. A classic case was the trial of Algernon Sidney, beheaded in 1683 for plotting against the king, based largely on passages from his treatise, Discourses Concerning Government, published posthumously in 1698.
Had to get rid of Racism and Bigotry when you grew up around folks that condoned such ugliness . Oh yea, under cover of being a good Christian too I suppose.
Being the good believer in Christ as you are you might read Jesus’s “Sermon on the Mount” and then ask yourself again if you are “really” a believer of Christ and are you surrounding yourself around those that also respect the “Sermon on the Mount”.
Marc, Marc, Marc you need a real lesson: Just because we are called to love them, doesn’t mean we are called to like them. Just because we are called to be fishers of men, even Jesus didn’t chase them down. Even though we are to be forgivers, it doesn’t mean we close our eyes and just let them kill us all without speaking up and out. If you want some good instruction read About “Tolerance” and how it just about wiped out the priest hood of Israel with King Ahab’s wife’s religion. We are too be salt, to be a voice and to be aware of the Spirits.
Have all you good believers in Christ ever read the “Sermon on the Mount”? Time for you all so-called “Good Christian’s” to stop professing you are “Good Christian’s” until you follow what Jesus said in his Sermon on the Mount.
Is Matthew the only Book you have read Marc? It’s absolutely Valid and the Word of the living Christ. What does that have to do with judging the fruit and the tree. What does that have to do with the discerning of spirits?
You need to read it again. Your intolerance as a Christian is abominable. You listen to too much misinformation and political pundits.
Separation of religion and state!!! Your religious belief that suffocate millions with fear have nothing to do with this political conversations. Discuss religion if you like but please, stay on topic.
Nor did the Constitution inhibit public displays of faith. At ratification, a majority of the thirteen several and sovereign states maintained official religions. The early Republic welcomed public worship. Church services were held in the U.S. Capitol and Treasury buildings every Sunday. The imagery in many federal buildings remains unmistakably biblical.
The day after the First Amendment’s passage, Congress proclaimed a national day of prayer and thanksgiving. The inaugural Congress was largely comprised by those who drafted the Constitution. It reflects incredible arrogance to reconfigure the Bill of Rights into prohibiting religious displays on public grounds. Hanging the Ten Commandments on the wall of a county courthouse no more mandates religion than judges displaying the banner of their favorite sports team somehow equates to Congress establishing that team as preeminent.
Our forefathers never sought to evict the church from society. They recognized that the several states did not share uniform values. We lived and worshipped differently. The framers were a diverse bunch with wildly divergent opinions on many issues, but eliminating the very foundations of America’s heritage would have horrified them. On few issues was there more unanimity.
The phrase “separation of church and state” was initially coined by Baptists striving for religious toleration in Virginia, whose official state religion was then Anglican (Episcopalian). Baptists thought government limitations against religion illegitimate. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson championed their cause.
This country is all kinds of f’d up. From Congress to the people itself. Its always just a bunch of complaining and nothing ever getting done. Whether white/black/asian/hispanic, doesnt matter. Ignorant and Hippocratic people dominate those who actually have a good heart. They way this country runs have everyone caring for themselves. not to mention the media is full of garbage and mostly unnecessary information that doesn’t educate the people. Most of the money goes towards entertainment and military advancement. When it should be towards education/healthcare and food.
I WISH THEY WOULD PROSECUTE THE SNAKE OBAMA. I BET OBAMA WILL LEAVE THE COUNTRY AND JOIN OUR ENEMIES BEFORE HE IS PROSECUTED. HE WILL FLEE AFTER HIS TERM. HE IS AN ENEMY TO AMERICA AND DESERVES TO BE HUNG.
HARRY REID SHOULD BE PROSECUTED ALSO FOR AIDING AND ABETTING. THEN WE DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HIM NOT APPROVING THE INDICTMENT IN THE SENATE. HE TOO IS AN ENEMY TO AMERICA..
Hanging by the neck until dead is too good for him. He’s murdered or is responsible for almost as many as Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Is he as responsible for as many deaths as his predecessor? Who has Obama murdered, exactly. And who did Bill and Hillary murder?
If Obama was white, he would have been impeached by now. But to many Americans are so afraid of being called RACISTS. That they will do nothing. Stop talking Impeachment and Start ACTIONS Now!!! Get Obama and Michael aka Michelle out of our White House. Take Reid , Peolsi, Kerry, and Hilary with them. And Bill Clinton, Eric Holden and Biden
Only in our dreams,Judge, only in our dreams. BO’s above the law, and Holder and Congress allow him to be, because they are too. They should ALL be thrown out of WA. We have the most corrupt administration in America’s history!
We need a George Washington — he was more concerned about a free nation than his own personal glory.
Well, damn it already! Whoever has the authority to make this happen could you do it already!
As I’ve stated before; there are people who have the authority: They just don’t have the courage.
I think the world forgets little tid bits of history.
Do people realize Osama Bin Laden was a CIA agent? And that the Bush family and Bin Laden family have ties?
Also that we aided Afganastan when they fought the Russians? Which they in turn used those same weapons against us.
We always have aided terrorist one way or another.
Matthew I for one have not forgotten and it doesn’t matter to me which Party is elected. It is done, always has been so I don’t see it ever being different. When Bribary, Blackmail, Money are all part of the process you cant turn back ever.I couldn’t be a Politician I ha e a conscience.
this idiot needs to be impeached NOW!
All of you are wasting time and blog space.
Nothing will come of this just like nothing has
come of any of the crimes committed by BHO.
Congress will continue to sit on their collective
butts and let him do whatever he wants.
And, the American voting public will vote for the
same members of congress again.
Our country is DOOMED.
Tomb you are right. I cant find your comment to me on search but wanted to say I am sorry. Yes I look for them to show up at my door any day, but they will find an ole womans simple mind! Have a good one
Obama an his administration have commuted high treason that only ends in firing squad
Well Michael. His crimes only end with a firing squad
if he is impeached, convicted and sentenced by
by congress. Not one of the three has a snowball’s
chance in hell of happening.
We have an impotent congress who deems it NON-PC
to prosecute Hussein Obama for fear of being labeled
“RACIST” by people who don’t have a clue as to the
meaning of the word.
The long attempt at dumbing down America has finally
been accomplished.
And if the gutless wonders we call a Congress had half a set of balls amongst them, he’d ALREADY be serving 25- Life…
Let’s not keep talking about this. Arrest him now for treason, and let’s be done with him.
OK, JOHN, Since you do not care about the rule of law, take things in your own hands. MAKE A CITIZEN”S ARREST!!!
I’m betting you are all talk and no do.
since you are, obviously, a product of government schools, let me explain again.
The impeachment process must begin in the House of Representatives, If the house votes for impeachment, the case goes to the senate for trial.
I do not remember it being stated anywhere in the Constitution that “JOHN” has the right to be both House and SENATE. Could you point that section out for me.
However, if you will get of your duff and help elect REPS. and Senators who have OUR Country’s best interest at heart, you just might be able to accomplish some good.
I am not a product of government schools, I went to private schools. I am also a veteran of the US Navy. I am also a conservative, I am also 76 years old, and have voted in every election since legally allowed to. Do not give me your arrogant BS. Just what have you done for your Country. I also started working at the age of 12, and retired at 62. So, I have also paid taxes since the age of 12.
OK JOHN, you are private school educated. Is that where you learned to avoid the issues in a debate? You totally ignored the main point of my reply (which was directed to your comment regarding “arrest obama.)
I started working at the age of 15, retired at 67 and voted in every election that I was allowed. Usually the first in line at my polling place. I too served in the U.S. Navy.
But none of that pertains to your lack of knowledge regarding the impeachment process.Thank you for serving OUR Country, but please learn to understand the “system.”
At this point King Obama could be a member of the Taliban and NOTHING is going to happen to him.
When Mike Rogers, Keith B. Alexander, and everyone else involved in warrantless wiretapping are in prison for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1984, I will listen to accusations of criminal conduct by Obama.
He doesn’t need to spend nearly that long in prison … Just a short time until he’s hanged for treason!
I don’t believe anything will happen due to the conspiracy between so many of those in power in this country and others; however, the impostor in the White House does not need to be impeached as he is not legally President. He is not a citizen of our country. He is the enemy who has committed war crimes….more than I can count at this moment. What do we do with these people during times of war…and this is war whether officially declared or not. Those that think he should receive a ‘fair’ trial are confused about all of the crimes committed and those he has murdered…that we know of. Btw, thank you, John, for your service.
Roy, I didn’t say he/Ralph was an Illegal. I said in sarcasm “He is the reason we have Deportation and Legal Immigration” in essence: True Patriots, real Americans, would not have that perspective. Clearly he’s entitled to his opinion. However when Opinions, put us all in harms way, someone needs to step up and speak out and try to bring truth to the forefront
Are necessary risks. The parents have to preserve the idea of warriors for democracy. People always trust in the united states of america is a country that has democracy. And lately it calls the world that evil dictator, the unpunished, or Maria Antonieta The absolute, is everywhere. This happens because we always want to do things and never think they will be punished. Punishment is an example.
No one was this upset when Bush was doing his damage. Obama makes close enough mistakes and now they want something like this to happen? I wonder who the actual bad guys are.
SIANI, you had the opportunity to chastise W, why didn’t you do it? And why do you continue to defend hussein obama? OK, it is a rhetorical question. The answer is that you are black and you in your ignorance consider hussein to be black, and as such you are compelled to support him for no other reason. But…
His mother was White.
The man he claims as his father, is 70% arab and 30 % black. But to you he is a black man. And don’t you remember bill clinton claiming to be the, “the first black President?” Did you bitch then”
With all due respect, either you have been under a rock, are under 30, or ??. Many of us were upset w the Bushes, it donesnt make a difference who is in there, they are all one party now and it wont change. Mistakes? you call the Scandals in his Dept mistakes? Secret Executive Orders done in the night that impact our lives daily in a major way. Did you or I vote for that? Hell no I didnt
Sadly, nothing will happen to the usurper!
It’s important to note that the vast majority of individuals who are confirmed or suspected to have militant groups were released under the George W. Bush administration, a fact that is missing from much of the current commentary.
I have watched Fox News during the George W Bush years and noticed a polar opposite attitude toward the president. Nearly every issue of W’s administration handling the two “wars” (never declared as wars, but simply obtained an Authorization to use Military Force from Congress under dubious claims about weapons of mass destruction, after ordering UN inspectors out of the country before they had time to complete their job). After “Mission Completed” 4347 AMERICANS died in Iraq, 3424 of them in combat.
Do you feel the same way about prosecuting George W, and if not, do you suspect that perhaps Fox is not as fair and balanced as they claim?
Obama haters are frothing at the mouth about 4 people in Benghazi, and now this. You people are being played by the phony left vs right politics in America. The reality is that both parties pursue largely the same policies when in power, and we are given a false choice. Meanwhile the planet is getting more polluted and thanks to factory farming we are reaching the end of antibiotics so that we will revert to the 15th century in how we battle bacteria. Instead of spending all your energy following these 24 hour cycle partisan bullshit generatirs, focus on pushing our governments to solve the important issues before it’s too late. Many more lives are at stake including our children’s.
Gabor u took the words out of my mouth, nothing has yet and nothing will, interesting how that follows ea Pres! What do we expect, he has NO records after his supposed Hawaii birth and is covered in secrecty by the NWO and if that’s not enough, I firmly believer he is Islam.
Tell Napolitano to get on with the process….talk is cheap….and if he does start impeachment proceedings, I won’t tell anyone that he dyes his hair…..
Yadda, yadda, yadda, more talk, no action. Don’t you fools get it yet? He will be allowed to continue destroying the country because the entire corrupt government is in on it. All this counter talk about impeachment and convictions, etc. is just for appearances. The nation of fools are reaping their rewards.
Obama will walk away from this. Nobody will have the
courage to follow up!
listen to all of us Fritz, on here, on all blogs there are more people screaming than not. The not side still has not told me WHY they are wrong. Until you can tell me the Scandals were right, and everything else WH has done, then I want them to just shut up because I am so tired of hearing well Bush ruined our lives. Yes he did but that was then, does that mean the next has to stay on that program? Isnt that why CEOs get fired because a new idea had to come forth? Call me crazy
All this spewing of ignorant nonsense and hatred must be the product of lack of education. Seriously people, do your homework. The reason we don’t have better representation in this country is because so many voters just don’t understand the origins of our most critical problems. I will admit it is not fluffy concepts to understand. When so many people are so accustomed to watching garbage television, reality t.v. shows, and the latest pop culture tabloids, it doesn’t exactly promote a society that embraces sophisticated learning. Then there is the problem of not enough money going towards education and graduate level degrees costing an arm and a leg so in order to be more informed about it, you almost have to have money. Naturally, many uneducated end up as radical right wingers running their mouths and continuing the paradox. I love our country, and would choose it any day, but our Nation’s problems are not simple, quick fixes.
Lack of a moral compass, lack of integrity, lack of conscience, lack of responsibility and lack of salt has led us here.
Evidenced by all of the ethical, virtuous comments posted.
Never occurred to me to reply as you did as I thought it was so incredibly obvious. Of course the huge groups (living and dead, legal and many illegal) that voted are completely ignorant…of our laws and of our history and our process. Many don’t know that we are a Republic and not a Democracy. But Obastard wants it that way. Those that he can control – those that are uneducated, feel they are entitled for a multitude of reasons. Irresponsible, lazy people. More are being created via Common Core – i. e. revised history. Informed citizens don’t trust the news as presented…they research. Please do not assume that everyone (not just myself) is uneducated.
David your argument is good but with WH there are so many.
It is extremely sad that we have to spend so much of our valuable time trying to get someone to listen to our desperate cries for help, only to have them fall on deaf ears. I like many of you I write and post comments, sign petitions, send letters and make phone calls only to learn that nothing has come of our efforts.
Maybe some of you have your own ideas as to what need’s to be done to finally be able to measure our efforts. Desperate measures require desperate solutions, after all this is our country, freedom and liberties that are at stake. What Say You ?
I agree so with you. Problem now is we would be on a Terrorist List for just asking questions or stating opinions. I am 65 and wish I had the answers, I feel for my Grandkids and other kids as well. I am thankful our only hope is in the Lord.
TERESA GEIB, You don’t know just how true your words are.
Because of some anti-obummer comments I made online, I was targeted by deputy U.S. Marshalls for and ILLEGAL SEARCH of my apt. No search warrant, no probable cause and no complaint by anyone but NSA.
They, the marshalls, pretended to be disappointed when they discovered I was not harboring a bank robber, which was the excuse they used to go through all my personal possessions. As if they thought I could hide the non existent individual in a box of crackers.
It was simply an attempt to find anything they could use as an excuse to lock me up.
One of them shoved his cell phone in my face while asking if I new the person in the picture on the phone. He didn’t care one way or the other about the picture he was showing me, because he was actually taking a close picture of me. If you think you have 4th amendment rights, you are dead WRONG.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THIS POTUS.
When will he be brought up on charges for this? Before or after leaving office?
Never, because Napolitano is an idiot who has no clue what he’s talking about.
AMEN, glad someone posting has a brain and can see through this so called judge. This guys a straight up jerk.
Keep dreaming. If Bush and Cheney have escaped the firing squad this long, this article is pure fantasy.
Seems that is very light panishment.Are the export of ethnic wars to the continent and directly support of nazi junta in Kiev the subject of Lynch law (in frame of making the war between white peoples in Ukraina in own clan buisness interests?
Do you have a source for the claim congress says they’re a terrorists group? The U.S. government has never designated them as one. Also, have you ever advocated for any other presidents to be jailed? Like Reagan, Bush or Clinton? Reagan is the reason Osama bin Laden was who he was. Every president in the last 60-70 deserved to be in jail.
Kenneth, I for one advocated for Bill Clinton to be jailed, I’m sure you remember his impeachment. Unfortunately, we had a democrat controlled Senate and since democrats look up to democrats without morals, he was given a pass. Even treated like a hero for being like Ted Kennedy and Brother John in the philandering category. What about Nixon? He told only one lie and was run out town on a rail for it. But then, he wasn’t a democrat. Hussein only lies when his lips are moving, and to you that makes him a hero. Cite your source for evidence on why you think Reagan should have been impeached. Bush, is a RINO and should have been impeached for that reason alone. Hillary Clinton should be impeached for her role in the Benghazi cover up along with hussein obummer. And, of course, there are others, like John Kerry, Eric Holder, etc., etc.
Let’s just impeach everyone! Do you have any better solutions other than impeachment? I hope you’re being sarcastic.
MAGUS and GLEN are beautiful examples of “democrat” “thinking” (if I dare to use those two words in the same sentence).
Democrats are taught from birth that if you tell a lie often enough and loud enough, some people will believe it. Add to that, that dems are also taught that if you have no evidence to support you point of view, resort to name calling. Hence MAGUS’s “idiot” comment and GLEN’s “jerk” comment.
So very true, Tomb!
Weird. It seems to be that Democrats are the more subdued party, and the Republicans are taught from birth that if you frighten people and use scare tactics, there is no need for reason and logic. (Fox News) What evidence are you looking for? Please, enlighten me. I agree that name calling is unproductive and unnecessary, but when you say “no evidence to support” their views, what are you referring to? You don’t know if MAGUS or GLEN are liberal so why are they suddenly representative of all “dems.”
TALK TALK TALK that is all they do up in Washington they are paid a lot of money to sit on their @$$’$ and BLOVIATE!! It’s time to try them all for treason during a time of war and find them all guilty punishment to be carried out IMMEDIATELY.
Your thoughts are commendable but, there is no declared
state of war between the U.S. and any other country.
The taliban is not a sovereign nation and as such has no “territory.”
Maybe there should be a state of war between The U.S. and Kenya because Kenya’s army of one has invaded our country and is attacking us from within.
Tomb, I do not believe the statute defining includes the necessity to be “at war”, though I may be mistaken. Weren’t the Rosenberg’s executed for Treason during “peacetime”?
Ovomit is clearly a traitor (or a spy if not s US citizen). Either way, he deserves to be executed for the good of the country, and to ensure our laws are enforced.
All they do is complain,does anyone have the balls to do anything before the muslim ends his term.Come on republicans grow some balls & take him out
Just as everything this demon has done, nothing will come of it. He operates with impunity. The Devil looks out for his own.
The Devil is alive and well on these postings of bigots and Obama haters
Glen please leave a description of why you are happy with the Current Administration. I felt the same about the Bush Administration so don’t tell me I am a Bigot please. I ask this question of all Democrats and NO one can tell me why they are happy, it all comes back to me being a hater of them.
Yes GLEN, you are so right, for a change. Us obummer haters (of which I am one) do post comments about you bigots. You an your bigoted ilk give yourselves away by supporting obummer only because he is (in your eyes) black. But you can’t even prove that.
Us obummer haters, hate him for what he has done and is still doing to destroy America.
And I proudly plead guilty to the charge of “obummer hater.”
Right again, GLEN.
The devil is alive and his name is GLEN MAGUS OBUMMER JR.
Did Glen say anything about whether or not he is happy with the administration? No. He is simply pointing out that many of these comments are really cruel. Plain and simple.
If Ovomit is not arrested for these offenses, then congress will have totally abdicated their responsibility to enforce our constitution. In so doing, they will have declared themselves to be complicit in Ovomit’s crimes, of which Treason is the worst, and thereby subject tot he same punishment that Ovomit deserves, BY LAW, which is execution.
There can be no compromise on this! Either congress arrests Ovomit or they are ALL guilty of treason and deserving of execution. To do anything less is to sign the death sentence for America. I for one will die fighting before I sit by and do nothing to try to stop it.
OK, MIKE TRAVIS, I AGREE.
Now, with that said, how do you propose to correct the problem?
Our founders gave us the second amendment for this very reason.
Are you recommending a 2nd revolution? I am.
And obummer knows it. That is why the liberals are scrambling to confiscate our guns, as his idols Hitler and Stalin did.
FIRST JUDGE NATOLITANO IS A JERK AND MOUTH PIECE FOR THE RIGHT WING NUT CASES LIKE JUDGE JEANINE AND FOX(FAKE) NEWS. COULDN’T RESIST ON COMMENTING ABOUT THE 2ND AMENDMENT REPRINTING A PREVIOUS COMMENT HOW MUCH MORE will it take to realize the 2nd amendment has to be discussed,( THERE IS NO RIGHT TO OWN A GUN. )
Guns are on the front burner again, there is no 2nd amendment right to own a gun. Why aren’t we debating that THE 2ND AMENDMENT
THE GUN CONTROL DEBATE WILL GO NO PLACE UNTIL THE 2ND AMENDMENT HAS BEEN FULLY DEBATED. “[THE} GOVERNOR {IS} CONSTITUTIONALLY THE COMMANDER OF THE MILITIA OF THE STATE,that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms.” –Thomas Jefferson to A. L. C. Destutt de Tracy, 1811. i.e. The 2nd amendment is a military document whereas the Governor gets his constitutional right to possess a national guard within his state.
Subject: A Superb article about guns and the 2nd amendment
The debate on gun control will go nowhere until the debate on the 2nd amendment has concluded. Some are doing an enormous dis-service to the US public. I think they might be a little over their head as far as knowledge of our constitution. I am sending an article about gun ownership and the 2nd amendment. The article of many by Marc Rubin which I believe the media would be wise to invite him on their program. It would send the debate into
new territory which would provide an exciting new slant on the subject.
There is no 2nd amendment right to own a gun and there never was
By: Marc Rubin
There’s been a lot in the news lately about the Obama Justice Department supposedly wanting to take away peoples 2nd amendment rights. And the issue of illegal guns going to Mexico and contributing to the gang violence has brought up discussions as to whether actions proposed by the Justice Department might be violating 2nd amendment rights. Obama in his recent press conference with the President of Mexico, in answer to a question about banning assault weapons said he thought they could do it and “still respect the 2nd amendment right to bear arms”.
And just the other day the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in a case involving Alameda County in California that the 2nd amendment applies to individuals.They were wrong.
Every so often the discussion of the 2nd amendment crops up as it’s doing now and the same people make the same mistake and show the same ignorance regarding the 2nd amendment.
Publicly there are few politicians or people in the news media well versed enough in the Constitution to get it straight. That and the fact that most of them are afraid of getting a lot of angry letters from people who don’t want to hear that truth or politicians who are afraid that speaking the truth will cost them votes and typically politicians and journalists always take the cowards’ way out. But the plain truth is, once and for all, the 2nd amendment has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with an individual’s right to own a gun. And never did. There is no Constitutional right to own a gun.And there never was.
Not that I’m a proponent of confiscating people’s guns. Or banning them. I’m not. There is not a shred of evidence anywhere to show that guns owned and registered by law abiding citizens are any threat at all to the public welfare and most statistics prove it. Drunk drivers are literally hundreds of thousands of times more dangerous and more of a threat to public safety than anyone legally owning a gun. But for gun enthusiasts and politicians to keep trying to hide behind the 2nd amendment doesn’t do anyone any good. It just promotes the kind of dishonesty as well as public ignorance and pandering by politicians that most citizens are tired of. It also shows an unwillingness by politicians and the press to simply be honest.
Whatever laws we have in this country governing guns is and always has been the result of political will and acts of congress, not the 2nd amendment. This is why the NRA has a very effective lobbying effort. If the 2nd amendment had anything to do with an individual’s right to own a gun they wouldn’t need lobbyists and would save a lot of money. But political will is also why Congress will never pass a law banning individual ownership of guns. There is no political will by any political majority to do so and probably never will be.
The fact that Obama “agrees” with a 2nd Amendment right to own a gun just shows again, how either Constitutionally ignorant or willfully ignorant politicians can be, which is an utter disgrace considering their position. As far as most citizens are concerned, they simply believe what they read or what they are told. It’s not up to them to be researching the Constitution to learn what it really means, but it is up to someone like the President and other members of Congress who swears to uphold and defend it to know what they are talking about. Which they clearly don’t.
People ignorant of the Constitution which unfortunately includes the President, along with many members of Congress and the press, seem to refuse to read the 2nd amendment as it was written. And to acknowledge that the Constitution and the people who wrote it and founded this country were the greatest collection of geniuses in the principles of self government this country ever had at one time in one place. When you acknowledge that, then you take the words they wrote and argued over, debated and ratified in the Constitution seriously. And you don’t try to pretend they mean something they were never intended to mean to suit your purposes. They knew what they were doing. They knew what they were saying. And they knew what every word of that amendment meant ( as well as everything else in the Constitution). And every word in the 2nd amendment means the same thing today that it meant in 1789 and in all the years in between.
The fact that the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with an individual’s right to own a gun is not a secret. Former Chief Justice Warren Burger, Chief Justice during Nixon’s term wrote that “the idea that the 2nd amendment has anything whatsoever to do with an individual’s right to own a gun is the biggest Constitutional hoax ever perpetrated on the American people”.
And if you don’t want to take Burger’s word for it, there is one other important group that knows the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with an individual right to own a gun. The NRA knows it. More about that later.
There is a philosophical approach in applying the constitution that ironically enough is the conservative approach and it’s called “original intent”. Where the original intent of the framers is known and is clear, where their words and what they meant and intended are clear, there can be no other interpretation of a particular clause, provision, article or amendment other than what the framers meant and intended. Nowhere is that clearer than in the second amendment. And while there are many, many ways to prove the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with an individual’s right to own a gun (all of which I will provide), all it really takes to understand the amendment is what you were taught by Mrs. Applecheeks, your 4th grade English teacher when you learned how to conjugate a sentence with a subject and a predicate.
But the first thing you need to know about the 2nd amendment is something very few people know: it was written,rewritten and revised 7 times. That’s right, 7 times. There were 7 versions of the 2nd amendment, and they are all available to be seen in the Library of Congress.
The 2nd amendment is only one sentence yet the Founders took the time to debate every word.and revise it seven times. And so, as a result of their debates and a desire to be abundantly clear, they changed a word here, another one there, added and deleted, until they arrived at the final version, to make sure its meaning was crystal clear and would endure. And so as a result of their debates they revised it seven times until there was unanimity. They did not rewrite it seven times so people could pick and choose what words they wanted to hear and ignore the rest. Or make them mean what they wish they meant.So keep in mind that every single word was important to the Framers and what they intended. Every word.
The amendment reads: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.
Read the whole sentence not just part of it and go back to your fourth grade English class and how to conjugate a sentence.The subject of that sentence, and therefore the amendment, is ” a well regulated militia” not “the right to bear arms”. The subject is the militia and the modifier is “necessary to the security of a free state” which is the purpose of the amendment.
The 2nd amendment is about giving the states an absolute right to have their own armed militias which today has been transformed into the National Guard.It also guarantees that the states have the right to have the same weapons as a federal army, a right in existence today and has always been, since the National Guard of every state does have most of the same weapons that the Federal army has. National Guard units have tanks, they have fighter jets. They have bombers.And it’s why National Guard units have been fighting in Iraq since 2002. The 2nd amendment guarantees the right of the states to have them. It is also what allowed the states of the Confederacy to have the weapons to fight a Civil War.
If you think the amendment gives an individual the right to have those weapons try putting a tank in your backyard.And keep in mind the entire amendment wasn’t written so that it could be diced and sliced with words ignored to suit someone’s purpose. The amendment means what it says.
The next line refers to ” the right of the people…”.
For those who don’t know there are two types of rights enumerated in the Constitution, states rights and individual rights. As any Constitutional scholar will tell you, when the Framers were referring to a state’s right they used the term “the people:”. When they were referring to an individual right, they used the word ” person”.The 5th amendment is a good example. It begins with the words, “No person shall…” and lays out guarantees, among them, double jeopardy and that no person in a criminal case shall be compelled to be a witness against himself.
Once you understand who the Framers are referring to when they say “the people”, which is a collective for the individual states, and not referring to an individual right, it’s time to deal with the most misused and misunderstood part of the 2nd amendment – the words “to keep and bear arms”.
Unfortunately for President Obama, Lou Dobbs, Joe Lieberman and others in congress and the media who badly and ignorantly misuse the phrase, “to keep and bear arms” doesn’t mean the right of an individual to own a gun.At least not in terms of the Framers intended with the 2nd amendment. It doesn’t mean the right to go hunting or take target practice or to shoot an intruder. It has nothing to do with an individual’s right of self-defense (though it doesn’t speak against it either). And it didn’t mean the right to strut down the middle of Dodge City wearing six guns. If it did Wyatt Earp wouldn’t have been able to arrest anyone who did and confiscate their guns because Earp banned them from Dodge City and no one ever accused Wyatt Earp of violating the Constitution.
First the term “arms” meant something very specific to the Framers who wrote the 2nd amendment in 1789 and it meant the same thing to them as it means now and that it has meant all through history.
The word “arms” in the 2nd amendment means one thing and only one thing. And it doesn’t mean the right to have a gun you have in your house. It means weapons of war. Military weapons of war.
The “right to keep and bear arms” means that the Constitution is guaranteeing the states not only the right to have their own militias or military, but the right to “keep” their own weapons of war. “Arms” didn’t just mean guns. It meant cannon. It meant swords and bayonets, cannon balls, powder, even war ships. “Arms” meant anything that could be used as a weapon of war. And it guaranteed the right of the individual states to have any weapons they wished, including the same military weapons as the Federal army. That guarantee is made clear in the last clause. As everyone knows there is a big difference between someone who owns a gun store and someone who is an “arms” dealer.And arms dealer is in the business of selling military weapons.
But the meaning of the word “arms” isn’t the only thing in the 2nd amendment that people get wrong. They also don’t know the meaning of the term ” to bear arms” which also had a very specific meaning to the Framers in 1789.
“To bear arms” didn’t mean to show them off. It didn’t mean to go hunting or to use them to defend against a burglar despite what Lou Dobbs,President Obama and some Constitutionally challenged Congressmen think. “To bear arms” meant only one thing to the Framers It meant to go to war.
The Founding Fathers in the 2nd amendment guaranteed the right of the individual states not only the means but the right to go to war and defend themselves both against the possibility of a future President deciding to become a tyrant and using military force to give himself dictatorial powers, or to defend themselves against a foreign enemy that might invade the shores of New York, Massachusetts, or New Jersey. It guaranteed that the states had both the means (” the right to keep…”) and to use them, (to “bear arms”,)to defend themselves without having to depend on a Federal Army to do it for them or against a Federal army itself if that became “necessary to the security of a free state”.
If the Founding Fathers had intended the 2nd amendment to be about the right of an individual to own a gun they would have said so.And they didn’t.
The final clause could be the most important because it impacts every gun law on the books. The clause says the right granted in the 2nd amendment “shall not be infringed”.
“..shall not be infringed” means just that. It doesn’t mean ” shall not be infringed except sometimes..”: or “shall not be infringed unless we want it to be”, or “shall not be infringed unless we decide there is a good reason to infringe upon it”. It means the right granted in the 2nd amendment cannot be diminished, restricted, reduced, or encroached upon in even the smallest way.
We all know what “fringe” means and where the fringe is — on the outer edges of something. And the amendment makes clear you cant encroach upon the right granted in the 2nd amendment even there, on the fringe.
The 2nd amendment is only about a state’s right to have its own army and for that army to have any weapons it chooses, and that the Federal government cannot interfere with that right in any way. And that has been the case since 1789.It has never applied to an individual.And was never intended to.
If the 2nd amendment had anything to do with an individual’s right to own a gun,the clause. “shall not be infringed” would make every single gun law on the books, and any restriction of any kind unconstitutional. The NRA knows this and knows both the “infringement” clause and the entire amendment has nothing to do with an individual’s right to own a gun. Otherwise they would have challenged gun laws a long time ago on the grounds they violated the “infringement” clause of the 2nd amendment.
New York city’s concealed weapon law is a perfect example. You cannot carry a concealed gun in New York city unless you are issued a permit by the police department. Just the requiring of a permit would certainly be an “infringement” of a 2nd amendment right “to keep and bear arms” according to the Constitution if it related to individuals. But even more than that, 90% of the people who apply for the permit get rejected. You don’t get the permit unless the police department decides you can have one. And they decide most can’t.
That doesn’t sound like a Constitutional right “to keep and bear arms” that hasn’t been infringed upon to me. And no one knows this better than New York Giants former star receiver Plaxico Burress who is was arrested, arraigned and is now looking at a 3 year mandatory jail sentence for accidentally shooting himself in the leg with a concealed hand gun he was carrying without a permit. Burress certainly has the financial means to challenge the law on Constitutional grounds and he certainly has the money to pay good lawyers but no one has even remotely suggested that they will challenge the New York City law on 2nd amendment grounds or that the law is a violation of the “infringement” clause. And for good reason. They would lose.
So the NRA and their very smart lawyers have never brought suit against any state or municipality or against the Federal government challenging any restrictive gun law on the grounds that its unconstitutional and violates the rights granted in the 2nd amendment or the ” infringement” clause in particular.
And if you are thinking “what about the DC gun ban and the Supreme Court decision”, even before it had been decided, constitutional experts and lawyers knew it had nothing to do with the 2nd amendment because DC is a special case and whatever the Supreme Court decision was going to be, it wouldnbt impact the 2nd amendment debate. DC is not a state. DC is essentially funded by Congress. They don’t even have a say in the election of the President. They stand outside anything that refers to states rights in the Constitution because it is not a state and the 2nd amendment is a states right issue, not an individual rights issue. The DC ban against hand guns ( which Obama was for before he was against) didn’t decide any 2nd amendment issues.
The last thing to keep in mind with regards to “original intent”, is to understand America in 1789 which is something Justices do when they are deciding a constitutional issue where the legislative history isn’t known.They take everything into account to try and ascertain the intent of the Framers and the context in which the Constitution was written.
America in 1789 was 90% rural. And in 1789 America just about everyone in the Colonies owned a firearm.They used them to hunt. They used them to defend themselves against Indian attacks. They were a tool as basic to American life in 1789 as a lawnmower is now to the suburbs.
Owning a gun in 1789 America was common. It wasn’t controversial. And you can be sure that the greatest minds in self government the country ever had didn’t spend all that time debating and rewriting an amendment 7 times that gave people the right to own a lawnmower.
Again, this has nothing to do with taking away people’s guns. There is no reason to. The problem in this country isn’t guns owned by law abiding citizens, its illegal guns that do the damage and laws need to be passed to address that, not restrictions on citizens who obey the gun laws already on the books.There should be some mandatory gun training on how to use a gun for anyone who wants one, just the way you have to pass a drivers test to get a license to drive to cut down on accidents and other public safety issues. But the gun problem in America is illegal guns.
and an illegal gun means just one thing — a stolen gun or a gun obtained fraudulently.
There should be laws requiring a gun owner to report a lost or stolen gun within 24 hours to local law enforcement and any gun owner who has a gun lost or stolen twice in a year should have their licenses revoked. Mandatory security measures for gun dealers and shops could also be initiated to cut down the frequency of stolen guns.And additional jail time, stiff jail time should be imposed on anyone in possession of an illegal gun.
If politicians who are Constitutionally challenged would stop misusing phrases like” to keep and bear arms”, clearly not having the slightest idea of what the clause really means,and what the Framers were talking about, maybe more time would be spent dealing with the real problems posed by illegal guns instead of hiding behind the charade of what they think the 2nd amendment means’
As far as the recent decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals regarding Alameda County in California, that ruling should come as no surprise. And it is not definitive. The 9th Circuit is the most liberal court in the country and only the most liberal interpretation of the 2nd amendment, one that completely disregards the original intent of the Framers and what the words actually mean, could choose to give the term ” to keep and bear arms” such a broad meaning and one completely unintended by the Framers. In fact the only way to apply the words in the 2nd amendment to an individual is to completely disregard what the words were intended to accomplish, which is what conservatives usually complain is legislating from the bench.
There is talk of appealing the 9th Circuits ruling to the Supreme Court. But anyone can challenge any gun law in the United States as being unconstitutional on the grounds that it violates both the second amendment and specifically the “infringement” clause if they think the 2nd amendment applies to individuals.
They can start with New York City’s concealed gun law. If they are right, the law will be struck down and every gun law in the U.S. will get struck down with it and the matter would be settled once and for all. And if not then the country can move on and focus on the real problem which is illegal guns.
Now we have another clown in the White House besides Obozo, and that person is another idiotic selection for the Muslim cabinet section of the WH welcoming” Hagel” to the circus.
It makes me sick when Ovomit puts himself as the know it all do it all King, when he see’s an opportunity to do what he does best, and that is LIE, lie, lie to the American people.
Having Obuma in the White House is like giving a two year old the key’s to all the nuclear weapons in our arsenal, and asking him to push all the buttons, and watch when the bright red lights come on.
Glen why do you call the Judge a jerk and want to argue w him on Constitution. People can or seem to take them and make their own ammendments.
Andrew P. Napolitano (born June 6, 1950) is a former New Jersey Superior Court Judge.
I don’t care what he might have been as a judge, all he is now is another right wing mouthpiece for Fox News and because he is a former judge , they think it gives their lies and distortions legitimacy All he has become is another Obama hater and thinks people are buying his crap because he is a former judge. I suppose the right wing nut cases do.
Glen you STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION TO YOU AS NONE OF THE LEFT CAN DO.! If you think MSNBC or CNN are better after they have been exposed w lies at different times and have had to correct. FOX is only a little better because they have people that will DIG for truth. The other Networks have certain indivuduals who also o that, but few and far between. ALL News is owned by the NWO Elite. Respectfully I ask you to please answer my question, thank you
Yeah, dream on. If nothing has happened so far, why would you think something would happen in the future? He’ll either stay in power or leave the power and go on the speaking circuit and make millions more.
GETTER DONE
AND HERE WE HAVE THE INFAMOUS LEFT WING HACK NAMED “glen”;; still breathing air my dog should be using instead…