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[–]zda -9 ポイント-8 ポイント

I know it's tongue-in-cheeck, but no one defends rape (of course not in the absolute sense, some people are idiots), the mentality presented here is actually being promoted in public (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNHwhHWPoQ). That's a bit scary. These things are not equal in our public view of values. No one I know of have ever suggested "you deserve to rape her" and kept their mainstream job, thankfully.

Still, it's just a joke, so maybe I shouldn't be all serious now.

[–]GARBAGEDAYY 40 ポイント41 ポイント

but no one defends rape (of course not in the absolute sense, some people are idiots)

Yes, they do. Did you miss Steubenville? Anytime you hear 'What was she wearing' or 'Well you shouldn't have tempted him' you're hearing people defend rape in the absolute sense.

[–]olivias_bulge 0 ポイント1 ポイント

absolute sense as in "not no one", not "absolutely defend"

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    [–]evilsaltine 22 ポイント23 ポイント

    Two people can be at fault for an accident. Rape isn't an accident- it's a deliberate act by one person against another.

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      [–]thesilvertongue 17 ポイント18 ポイント

      Yeah. How dumb of the victim to be walking around minding her own business at a party, in her own home, or at a friends house.

      Clearly if they had only been more responsible, the rapists would have magically disappeared.

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        [–]thesilvertongue 15 ポイント16 ポイント

        Expect you were literally claiming that the victim can also be at fault.

        It's not your fault that you unknowingly entered the vicinity of a rapist or that a rapist made the conscious decision to rape you.

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          [–]thesilvertongue 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Well I'm saying that victims are never ever at fault for the fact that someone raped them.

          They didn't cause the rape and are not responsible for the crime in any way shape or form.

          Blaming the victim is damaging and completely unhelpful.

          [–]CaliforniaRocketFuel -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

          No, and unfortunately we can't just change the way people think or act. We can only control our own actions, and following through on that line of thought often leads to accusations of victim-blaming.

          There are probably going to be people willing and able to rape other people as long as humanity exists as we know it. And while promoting a cultural change of attitude is great and may have a positive impact on the amount of sexual assaults in a given population, it doesn't level the playing field. If you're a likely target for such an assault, it doesn't matter how fair the situation is, all that matters is that you're a target.

          Just because something isn't your fault doesn't mean you can't take steps to prevent it from happening. For example, I'm depressed, apparently. I'm not a fan, and as far as I know, it isn't my fault, but I still do as much as possible to solve the problem.

          [–]thesilvertongue 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          Anyone can be a target for sexual assault or rape. That doesn't mean it's their fault.

          Yes rape happens, but there is absolutely no reason to blame the victim.

          The last thing a rape victim needs or wants to here is that they are somehow guilty or at fault. It's incredibly damaging.

          [–]diddlaprok 9 ポイント10 ポイント

          Except they do, all the time. The sentiment that a woman shouldn't have been in X location alone, or wearing Y outfit is all too common.

          Also, your above post about 'what a man did to deserve getting hit' is pretty telling of your view on the concept of blame in general.

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            [–]Ozone4Ever 13 ポイント14 ポイント

            Most rapes are done by people the victim knows. And most rapists don't remember what the victim is wearing after the crime, but in general target victims with low self-esteem, who tend to be wearing baggy, concealing clothing.

            So the formula for rape you're discussing? It's hanging around with people you know in sweatpants and a baggy t-shirt.

            Isn't science interesting? It breaks up all sorts of stupid myths. I recommend googling something before you speak about it, btw.

            [–]djnnif -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

            Well from what I gathered 1. Half of rapes occur when one or both parties are drunk. 2. That it mostly occurs between acquaintances. 3. That it mostly happens at the home of the victim.

            That tells me that at the bare minimum the victim in most rapes made a bad call about who they let into their house and who they were alone with. At the very minimum they had to know they were running that risk, however minimum it may be. It's the same for everything really. I drive my car everyday, mostly without problems. However tomorrow could be the day that I jump on the freeway and get taken out by a drunk driver. I accept that risk. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop driving. Again I am not condoning any kind of rape what so ever. No always means no and offenders should receive stiff punishment. However you have to acknowledge that you are taking risks by letting people into your apartment or going to theirs alone. There are also things you can do to mitigate said risk. Pepper spray, self defense classes, community awareness, etc. etc. Rape is an unfortunate reality that we all have to live with and to allow yourself to be unprepared for it would be unwise. I am literally terrified for my girlfriend a lot. I think that it is the most heinous crime that a person can commit and I just highly advocate taking your own well being into your own hands and not relying on anyone to do that for you, and the first step to that is acknowledging your role in the situation.

            [–]Ozone4Ever 5 ポイント6 ポイント

            So basically to avoid being raped, it's best to not have friends and not hang out with anyone.

            And you wonder what the negative effects of rape culture are.

            [–]FallingSnowAngel 7 ポイント8 ポイント

            Pity the reality is that you're more likely to be raped inside your home while wearing conservative clothing. A woman with the confidence to wear revealing clothing in public, attracting eyeballs, is less likely to be targeted by a rapist.

            Stop giving bad advice.

            [–]GARBAGEDAYY 16 ポイント17 ポイント

            Oh god, it's the fucking drunk driving comparison again.

            A car can't move without someone moving it, if the person moving it happens to be drunk, they're responsible for it moving and hurting someone. And someone can get hit with or without an ipod on so that part is pointless.

            A person who is blackout drunk cannot consent to sexual activity so the person who decided to perform it on them is breaking the law/taking advantage of their intoxicated state.

            The two are not even remotely comparable.

            [–]UrsulaMajor 6 ポイント7 ポイント

            People defend rape literally all the time.

            [–]olivias_bulge [score hidden]

            audibly is more common, as its harder to be accountable later.

            [–]-TheMAXX- -1 ポイント0 ポイント

            People say rape is a good thing? Or do you mean they try to excuse away such events thereby acknowledging that rape is bad?

            [–]UrsulaMajor 0 ポイント1 ポイント

            1) yes, some people do, in fact, think rape is a good thing 2) people also victim blame and excuse rape under numerous circumstances, e.g., "it's not rape, she was just drunk", "it's not rape, her skirt said she was asking for it," "it's not rape, I just coerced him into having sex with me," "it's not rape, he got an erection," etc. Etc. Ad infinitum.

            [–]GenocideSolution [score hidden]

            Let's replace the word "rape" with [horrible evil bogeyman thing]

            All those examples are saying it's not [bogeyman horrible evil thing], but instead some other rationalization of why it wasn't [horrible evil bogeyman thing] that wasn't [horrible bogeyman act] that it in actuality was.

            If you replace "rape" with [good thing that is approved] none of your examples make sense.

            So yes, no one says rape is a good thing.

            If you know about someone who says "That girl/guy needs a good raping", you should probably call the police.